Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Mammo]

I was just pointing out you can dislike something, criticize it maturely without baiting fans. Simple.

it's an attemp at banter, a joke
a proper response would have been "can't wait to see you seething in the second year anniversary kkkkkkkkkk" or something along these lines
that would've burned me to crisps

I'll admit it's my fault for making assumptions

And I gave an example of what is not a mature criticism ("shitty title") from your previous comment to drive forward what my comment was about.

I've explained over and over and over every single week why I think the manga isn't well written
the manga lack focus and direction, does any even know what's it genre suppose to be?
Taiyou is a Mary sue who's perfect in everything, loved by everyone, and have no weakness
the fights choreography sucks and is jumpy
there are way too many side characters and they just keep introducing more then forgetting about them the next week
the siblings don't get attention
the conflicts most of the time get resolved too conveniently

I've even pointed out several plot holes and asspulls
the grandparent missing the wedding/the master disguise brother going mia in the politics arc /Taiyo healing the bucket brother transformation with talk no jutsu/ the yandere maid going mia in this arc

I just used shitty to save time rather than type all of this out

 

[Minsel]

it's an attemp at banter, a joke
a proper response would have been "can't wait to see you seething in the second year anniversary kkkkkkkkkk" or something along these lines
that would've burned me to crisps

I'll admit it's my fault for making assumptions

I've explained over and over and over every single week why I think the manga isn't well written
the manga lack focus and direction, does any even know what's it genre suppose to be?
Taiyou is a Mary sue who's perfect in everything, loved by everyone, and have no weakness
the fights choreography sucks and is jumpy
there are way too many side characters and they just keep introducing more then forgetting about them the next week
the siblings don't get attention
the conflicts most of the time get resolved too conveniently

I've even pointed out several plot holes and asspulls
the grandparent missing the wedding/the master disguise brother going mia in the politics arc /Taiyo healing the bucket brother transformation with talk no jutsu/ the yandere maid going mia in this arc

I just used shitty to save time rather than type all of this out

Lacking focus? Taiyo currently has a goal if you read it. The genre is similair to Gintama where it has 2 modes, Serious and gag. It also has Romance involved.
Taiyo isn't entirely a mary sue, he's very timid and is always shown to be, he's not perfect, he just trains a lot. Also he's just inoffensive, that's why he's not outrightly disliked, we have the older brother who also dislikes him.
That's your opinion
Yozakura likes to give limelight rather than throwing a bunch of characters at your face with their gags, unlike Saiki K(I do love saiki k though).
The siblings have each had their own chapter if not more.
How are they convenient? I need more examples

The grandpa was in prison busy. The siblings are constantly busy on their missions, it was taiyo who was asked not kengo. Nanao was highstrung and had a lot of blood plumping, so by talking calmly Taiyo calmed him down. Yandere maid is the only one idk about, maybe she quit?

 

[101nemesis]

I've explained over and over and over every single week why I think the manga isn't well written
the manga lack focus and direction, does any even know what's it genre suppose to be?
Taiyou is a Mary sue who's perfect in everything, loved by everyone, and have no weakness
the fights choreography sucks and is jumpy
there are way too many side characters and they just keep introducing more then forgetting about them the next week
the siblings don't get attention
the conflicts most of the time get resolved too conveniently

I've even pointed out several plot holes and asspulls
the grandparent missing the wedding/the master disguise brother going mia in the politics arc /Taiyo healing the bucket brother transformation with talk no jutsu/ the yandere maid going mia in this arc

I just used shitty to save time rather than type all of this out

It's great that you have valid criticisms. (I honestly don't care since I don't read the series)

That said, substituting all the above with "shitty title" in that comment is not even close.
You've been here for years. You are clearly educated and can understand what I mean. There were many other ways to summarize all those criticisms into a short way to phrase your statement.
You don't need me to explain why "shitty title" does not even come close to generalizing the above criticisms.

So lets not keep talking about this.

 

[ItsSamu]

I'm a fan of the new point allocated system for the polls (though I did muck up the arithmetic at first; has the edit/disqualification rule been lifted in case any go over/under the 30 points?)

I liked Honomieru but the first few pages had strange panels. I don't know how to explain the feeling that I had while reading it. After some few more pages everything got better though. As mentioned in the comment section there and maybe here, there are some similarities between this and other mangas, including even AT. But at least this one I can read.

Funnily enough it feels like the parts of this chapter that were most similar to the one shot were its weakest (like the early set-up in the classroom). All the stuff that was unique to this chapter felt much better for it.

 

[101nemesis]

Oh damn, I forgot Phantom Seer had a one-shot. Need to check that out and see how that was.
Do ya'll think the first chapter was better than the one-shot?

 

[ItsSamu]

Oh damn, I forgot Phantom Seer had a one-shot. Need to check that out and see how that was.
Do ya'll think the first chapter was better than the one-shot?

The first chapter was a definite improvement. The same parts were the classroom introduction and the interactions with the sister over the phone but the design of the main girl and the actual phantom are different. The art was good in the one shot but even better now, and the panelling felt smoother. I liked the comedic moments more in the chapter as well. Also appreciated the hints of world building we got since we're going to need to see more shamans/hierarchy down the line if this is to last.

That's one thing I think Jujutsu Kaisen messed up; it did so much in a small world so early on and then it felt like it hit the breaks and had to expand on what little world building it allowed itself - having there only be two schools filled with only a dozen students between them always feels so empty to me. I think it might hinder the series in the long-run as well.

 

[Mammo]

Lacking focus? Taiyo currently has a goal if you read it.

he had a goal from ch1 which is to be a part of the Yozakura family, which is vague

The genre is similair to Gintama where it has 2 modes, Serious and gag. It also has Romance involved.

Gintama was a comedy first and foremost, most of the time nothing happen in this manga

Taiyo isn't entirely a mary sue, he's very timid and is always shown to be, he's not perfect, he just trains a lot. Also he's just inoffensive, that's why he's not outrightly disliked,

none of these are flaws but classic Mary Sue traits

we have the older brother who also dislikes him.

and he's presnted is bad and wrong for disliking him another Mary Sue cliche

Yozakura likes to give limelight rather than throwing a bunch of characters at your face with their gags,

this is why they give every main character 2 chapters

unlike Saiki K(I do love saiki k though).

as this is your attempt at banter? i appreciate it

How are they convenient? I need more examples

like in the hotel chapter, he get thrown out of the window wearing a parachute, only for him to return the next panel pretending to be a terrorist, when did he plan this? where did he get the bombs and suicide vest from?

also earlier, he pretended to be some rich old lady pet tiger, where did he find the tiger costume? he didn't know about its sleeping habit before that

The grandpa was in prison busy. The siblings are constantly busy on their missions, it was taiyo who was asked not kengo. Nanao was highstrung and had a lot of blood plumping, so by talking calmly Taiyo calmed him down. Yandere maid is the only one idk about, maybe she quit?

all of this is your headcanon for what happen, nothing of this was explained

 

[Minsel]

he had a goal from ch1 which is to be a part of the Yozakura family, which is vague

Gintama was a comedy first and foremost, most of the time nothing happen in this manga

none of these are flaws but classic Mary Sue traits

and he's presnted is bad and wrong for disliking him another Mary Sue cliche

this is why they give every main character 2 chapters

as this is your attempt at banter? i appreciate it

like in the hotel chapter, he get thrown out of the window wearing a parachute, only for him to return the next panel pretending to be a terrorist, when did he plan this? where did he get the bombs and suicide vest from?

also earlier, he pretended to be some rich old lady pet tiger, where did he find the tiger costume? he didn't know about its sleeping habit before that

all of this is your headcanon for what happen, nothing of this was explained

Alright i'll explain it to you

Spoiler

Chapter 25 it's revealed that his parent's death isnt a miracle, so now he's currently going after TANPOPO to find out what happened to his family, is this not a fucking goal?

Yozakura conforms to both, about 50% of the chapters are gag based, nothing happens because its gag, the problem gets resolved after a few jokes, gintama and every other gag manga does this....??????????????????????????? Anything serious actually has stuff happen

I'll give it to you he's kind of a Mary Sue. I do wonder if things will change though once he discovers

Spoiler

who killed his parents

Not main characters, supporting characters. The main characters I would argue are Taiyo, Mutsumi and Kyochiro, with the 2 latter ones being slightly support characters.

Taiyo had a 100kg Weight on him, It's the fun of a classic spy gadget series. Yes its asspulls, but it's usually for comedic effect

Your plotholes are headcanon too.

 

[mangaman93]

I am late to the party. But, I really liked phantom seer. Especially the page turns! the paneling and art was really good. Imo, definitely one of the best first chapters recently. i hope the story is good, but i have nothing to judge based on the first chapter alone.

 

[Halloween]

Guys, this topic is becoming entirely too Yozakura centric. Further discussion on this subject needs to be done in the Yozakura thread.

(though I did muck up the arithmetic at first; has the edit/disqualification rule been lifted in case any go over/under the 30 points?)

Go ahead and edit it.

 

[Kolbe]

Obviously there is a chance some of these might die but IF all the newbies that seem to be surviving from this year survive, would this be the most successful year in recent WSJ history?
Ayakashi, Magu-chan, UxU, Mashle, Cop and Dolphon etc.

Well yes. But not really
If these 5 series survive, we will have at least 6 successful series this year (counting Burn the Witch, which is a success even if it's only a minisseries), but this is hardly something impressive when we see the number of new series this year. So while it would have the greater number of success overrall, the serialization/success rate would be the same as always.
I think the most successful year in recent WSJ history is 2012, which had AssClass, Haikyuu!!, Saiki Kusuo no Psi Nan and Nisekoi, and the most successful year of all is 1998, with Shaman King, Whistle, Rookies, Hunter x Hunter and Kajika, basically 5 sucessful series with 10 serializations.

 

[Discomusic]

Guys, this topic is becoming entirely too Yozakura centric. Further discussion on this subject needs to be done in the Yozakura thread.

There's a problem though. Unless I missed it, there is no Yozakura thread.

 

[Halloween]

There's a problem though. Unless I missed it, there is no Yozakura thread.

How is there not a thread? >_>

This entire time no one has created it?

 

[Stivie]

Obviously there is a chance some of these might die but IF all the newbies that seem to be surviving from this year survive, would this be the most successful year in recent WSJ history?
Ayakashi, Magu-chan, UxU, Mashle, Cop and Dolphon etc.

Aren't you rushing too far?

Won't what happened with Moriking and bone collection come? It is easier to start well and get worse over time than to stay well or start bad and get better over time.

I am not saying that I cannot have 5 successful manga this year, more serious, better to wait for volume sales, before you are happy.

Mashle and UxU so selling well are safe.
but Ayakashi triangle, Magu, Shakunetsu, Roboko, Honomiero, Kokousei Kazoku and bokura, we are not 100% sure.
Maybe Ayakashi triangle sells really well, plus the others, we have to wait and see.

 

[Discomusic]

How is there not a thread? >_>

This entire time no one has created it?

That's what I asked myself when I searched for it yesterday ^_^

 

[Halloween]

That's what I asked myself when I searched for it yesterday ^_^

Jeez.

Well, whoever reads this, you're more than welcome to create a thread in the appropriate section. I'm genuinely surprised no one did this yet, considering the age of the series.

 

[Discomusic]

There ya go:

Shounen - Mission: Yozakura Family by Hitsuji Gondaira

Title : Mission: Yozakura Family Serialized in : Weekly Shounen Jump Author and Artist : Hitsuji Gondaira Summary: Taiyo Asano is a super shy high school student and the only person he can talk to is his childhood friend, Mutsumi Yozakura. It turns out that Mutsumi is the daughter of the...

mangahelpers.com

 

[TyVip]

I hope Undead x Unluck makes it to Manga Taisho Award 2021. It should have less than 8 volumes by the time 2021 nomination occurs

 

[James Rye]

I hope Undead x Unluck makes it to Manga Taisho Award 2021. It should have less than 8 volumes by the time 2021 nomination occurs

Is it a requirement to have less than 8 volumes to get into that award competition?

 

[Aeneas]

Editor list update

Moved some editors around to create a new team with Sugita as its leader (leaders in bold).

Before:

Katayama
Taguchi
Tode
Iwasaki

Monji
Naito
Asai

Ikeda
Yoritomi
Minamimura
Fukuda

Murakoshi
Sugita
Azuma

Honda
Takano
Ishikawa
Hashimoto

After:

Sugita
Taguchi
Asai
Iwasaki

Katayama
Tode

Monji
Naito

Ikeda
Yoritomi
Minamimura
Fukuda

Murakoshi
Azuma

Honda
Takano
Ishikawa
Hashimoto