One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[LaGOAT]

Zoro and sanji need to beat yonkou commander to surpass jinbei and prove that they are stronger than him then.

jimbei isnt gonna be vice captain that title is zoro .
jimbei is currently the second strongest in the crew right but at the end of the arc will probably be the 3rd or 4th strongest

 

[Nie Li]

Zoro and sanji need to beat yonkou commander to surpass jinbei and prove that they are stronger than him then.

They are about to do so.

 

[albertwv]

I like Jimbei but I dont think he was a good fit in the Straw Hat Crew. Reason being is that he is so strong, didn't have a dramatic past like all the other SHs, and because he is old/experienced way more than Robin or Franky. I mean that by that he's been in many pirate crews and was a warlord and at a one point stronger than Luffy. I think he is the oddball from the group, not because he is weird but because he is so different compared to the rest. Plus just having more SHs kinda detracts from the rest of the SHs. We dont see much of Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, etc. I rather see more of them than the SH fleet, the samurais, jimbei, and others. I really hope we see a 1v1 from all the SHs.

King vs Sanji....just the thought of it makes me laugh at the guy who insisted that was going to happen just like he insisted Orochi vs Zolo.

 

[strawhatcrew]

jimbei isnt gonna be vice captain that title is zoro .
jimbei is currently the second strongest in the crew right but at the end of the arc will probably be the 3rd or 4th strongest

Vice captain is unofficial role. First mate is zoro. Jimbei can act as an advisor to the crew as he is the most experienced in the strawhat right now. Zoro sometimes act as the "captain" during confusing time like in w7 deciding about robin and ussop situation. And sometimes act as "vice captain" example in the start of punk hazard lecturing luffy to be serious. But the situation is changed now since jimbei join since he is the most experienced in the whole crew. And the most rational, calm and serious after robin. He "maybe". Read what i wrote "maybe" will even take zoro role as the unofficial vice captain to advice luffy on what to do or dont. But thats all up to oda. Maybe he wont do it and just sidelined jimbei like what he did with robin when she just joined after alabasta. Zoro is an idiot same like luffy and always act on impulse unlike jimbei who act with brain.

At the current situation i dont think they can defeat the yonkou commander. We know how difficult for luffy to defeat cracker and katakuri. And another supernova that defeat yc is uroge that defeat bm yc snack. So i assume that the current supernova are strong enough to fight with yc. Marco is also here so he can deal with king 1st mate of kaidou vs marco 1st mate of wb. Queen maybe will fight another supernova - law, drake, kidd, hawkin. I dont convice zoro or sanji can defeat YC unless they can defeat the tobi ropo first. It doesnt make sense if zoro and sanji suddenly can fight with YC seeing luffy have so much difficulty to even defeat cracker and katakuri lol

 

[I Am Atomic]

So i assume that the current supernova are strong enough to fight with yc

I dont convice zoro or sanji can defeat YC

Zoro is a Supernova.....just saying

 

[Nie Li]

Vice captain is unofficial role. First mate is zoro. Jimbei can act as an advisor to the crew as he is the most experienced in the strawhat right now. Zoro sometimes act as the "captain" during confusing time like in w7 deciding about robin and ussop situation. And sometimes act as "vice captain" example in the start of punk hazard lecturing luffy to be serious. But the situation is changed now since jimbei join since he is the most experienced in the whole crew. And the most rational, calm and serious after robin. He "maybe". Read what i wrote "maybe" will even take zoro role as the unofficial vice captain to advice luffy on what to do or dont. But thats all up to oda. Maybe he wont do it and just sidelined jimbei like what he did with robin when she just joined after alabasta. Zoro is an idiot same like luffy and always act on impulse unlike jimbei who act with brain.

At the current situation i dont think they can defeat the yonkou commander. We know how difficult for luffy to defeat cracker and katakuri. And another supernova that defeat yc is uroge that defeat bm yc snack. So i assume that the current supernova are strong enough to fight with yc. Marco is also here so he can deal with king 1st mate of kaidou vs marco 1st mate of wb. Queen maybe will fight another supernova - law, drake, kidd, hawkin. I dont convice zoro or sanji can defeat YC unless they can defeat the tobi ropo first. It doesnt make sense if zoro and sanji suddenly can fight with YC seeing luffy have so much difficulty to even defeat cracker and katakuri lol

Nobody's saying Zoro and Sanji will easily defeat King, Queen, Kaido or whoever. It also "didn't make sense" for Luffy to defeat Katakuri after Cracker gave him such a hard time, but he did. Zoro and Sanji will win as well.

 

[Fox666]

Nobody's saying Zoro and Sanji will easily defeat King, Queen, Kaido or whoever. It also "didn't make sense" for Luffy to defeat Katakuri after Cracker gave him such a hard time, but he did. Zoro and Sanji will win as well.

Cracker wasn't much weaker than Katakuri, and Luffy got a bit stronger during the fight.

 

[Nie Li]

Cracker wasn't much weaker than Katakuri, and Luffy got a bit stronger during the fight.

But he was weaker. Luffy had Nami's help during the Cracker fight and the fight itself took many hours. It was a jump for him to defeat Katakuri and he had an extremely hard time against him.

Same can happen for Zoro and Sanji, as it has always happened. It's not the first time they have a hard time, grow in strength and win, like Zoro vs Mr.1 or Sanji vs Jyabura.

 

[goldb]

Oh. So that point was even officially acknowledged in a vivre card? And he was even called "the strongest member after the captain"? Well, the whole topic of ZvS feels kind of pointless reading that.

Well not only that but also the Zoro/ Luffy discussion. This is a more in-depth translation, where it lists Zoro as having vice-captain like role, even when he's officially listed as a fighter/swordsman.

 

[Nie Li]

Well not only that but also the Zoro/ Luffy discussion. This is a more in-depth translation, where it lists Zoro as having vice-captain like role, even when he's officially listed as a fighter/swordsman.

True. The only thing that's debatable is by how much one is stronger than the other, but the ranking has been made clear by Oda himself so there's nothing to speculate about that.

 

[albertwv]

At the current situation i dont think they can defeat the yonkou commander...It doesnt make sense if zoro and sanji suddenly can fight with YC seeing luffy have so much difficulty to even defeat cracker and katakuri lol

I agree, i dont want both Zolo or Sanji to fight YCs right now. It shouldve been Luffy fighting against Jack, Queen, or King before Onigashima and then fight Kaido. Especially since Luffy was in imprisoned it wouldve been nice to see him fight Queen.

Zolo and Sanji shouldve fought a headliner or Flying 6, a full fight not like Sanji vs P1 or Zolo vs Hawkins. That wouldve shown progress of their strength.
I think Oda screwed up with inviting so many characters that he neglected the original crew. Also the samurai arent anything special so far besides the 9RS.

Btw, I am tired/annoyed of seeing BM, she is worthless too me, Oda has made her a joke now. I dont like her design or her powers.

 

[Fox666]

Well not only that but also the Zoro/ Luffy discussion. This is a more in-depth translation, where it lists Zoro as having vice-captain like role, even when he's officially listed as a fighter/swordsman.

That's nothing you wouldn't know already from the manga.

True. The only thing that's debatable is by how much one is stronger than the other, but the ranking has been made clear by Oda himself so there's nothing to speculate about that.

It's not really a rule.

I.e. Baratie and Punk Hazard arcs.

 

[strawhatcrew]

Zoro is a Supernova.....just saying

Hahahaha u got me there. I mean supernova captain XD.

I agree, i dont want both Zolo or Sanji to fight YCs right now. It shouldve been Luffy fighting against Jack, Queen, or King before Onigashima and then fight Kaido. Especially since Luffy was in imprisoned it wouldve been nice to see him fight Queen.

Zolo and Sanji shouldve fought a headliner or Flying 6, a full fight not like Sanji vs P1 or Zolo vs Hawkins. That wouldve shown progress of their strength.
I think Oda screwed up with inviting so many characters that he neglected the original crew. Also the samurai arent anything special so far besides the 9RS.

Btw, I am tired/annoyed of seeing BM, she is worthless too me, Oda has made her a joke now. I dont like her design or her powers.

But fan would like to see zoro and sanji take YC right now lol. What i see is after timeskip one piece is not like the one piece we know before timeskip. We got so many char now in 1 arc compare to before timeskip. The main focus right now is kaidou but the one got to fight is 9RS compare last time its always luffy fight the main boss lol. There wont be many 1 vs 1 fight like before. There are so many char to focus and oda cant draw like last time and we will get many of the fight offscreen ( i hate that but what can i do lol ).

 

[Nie Li]

That's nothing you wouldn't know already from the manga.

If you check the thread, there's someone arguing against Luffy > Zoro and there's someone arguing against Zoro > Sanji, on this thread. So apparently it's not that clear to everyone from the manga alone.

It's not really a rule.

I.e. Baratie and Punk Hazard arcs.

I do believe it's a rule.

Punk Hazard was like a small prelude of the Dressrosa arc in which they only fought against Donquixote's subordinates and technically it still applied (Luffy fought Caesar and Zoro fought Monet, Caesar's assistant. Vergo was stronger than both Monet and Caesar and he didn't work under Caesar even if he was his ally).

On the other hand, Baratie was a short arc from when the manga was still in its very early stage. At that early stage there was even a small arc in which Zoro defeated the big bad (Morgan). There are other small "exceptions" you could argue in small arcs: Little Garden (Usopp took care of Miss Golden Week) and Drum (Chopper took care of Chessmarimo), but those are all examples of "small arcs that fit inside a bigger plot and whose villains were all just subordinates of a bigger big bad". Luffy ended up defeating the real big bad Crocodile, and Zoro took care of the second strongest Baroque Works member, Mr.1.

 

[McNuss]

They won't defeat King or Queen 1v1.

Oda set the powerlevels into stone a decade ago.

It is all pretty consistent. Oda introduced some top tiers each arc during preskip One Piece, then compares them all at Marineford, and then he created more characters fitting that pattern for the post skip One Piece.

This is not the final arc, it is the penultimate arc. However King and Queen are at the maximum when it comes to subordinates. It can't get much stronger than them without blowing the powerscaling.

So if they get defeated now, 1v1, that means that any next threat (Top Tier of the Ten Titanic Captains) becomes...much less of a threat.

 

[goldb]

I can't say that I disagree with that, if only because we know next to nothing about the current strength of Blackbeard's crew, who would be the biggest hindrance to Luffy's goal of being Pirate King.

What about Shanks though? his commanders are said to have high average bounty, which should reflect in the strength of his commanders and they are the only ones named in that particular scene.

 

[Fox666]

Brannew is not necessarily saying that Shanks commanders have an higher bounty, only that his crew has an high average bounty.

Given how small Shanks' crew is, the average bounty is going to be very high.

For example, with 1,600 members, the Whitebeard Pirates average bounty is probably less than 10 million. With only 10 members, the Straw Hat Pirates have an average bounty of 316 millon.

 

[HereNThere]

Technically, Luffy's aiming to be the Pirate King, and they would need to surpass the general Yonkou level to do that. This would be the arc to place them on the level of a Yonkou crew.

Zoro's end goal is implied to be Yonkou tier, so now would be a good time for him to hit YC1. Sanji's EoS fight is up in the air (hopefully an Admiral), but either way, he'll be ready after fighting King or Queen.

 

[Franckie]

They won't defeat King or Queen 1v1.

Oda set the powerlevels into stone a decade ago.

It is all pretty consistent. Oda introduced some top tiers each arc during preskip One Piece, then compares them all at Marineford, and then he created more characters fitting that pattern for the post skip One Piece.

This is not the final arc, it is the penultimate arc. However King and Queen are at the maximum when it comes to subordinates. It can't get much stronger than them without blowing the powerscaling.

So if they get defeated now, 1v1, that means that any next threat (Top Tier of the Ten Titanic Captains) becomes...much less of a threat.

King and Queen strike me as being in the same ballpark as Big Mom's Sweet 4 Generals, two of whom were defeated. King and Queen can be defeated 1on1, but this isn't the time to be doing it since everyone, including 2 Younkou, are fighting as armies, not individual fighters.

 

[Rob Gucci]

They admitted it, Oda and Animators hate Sanji.
<<Sanji will never look as good as he did before>> pre-timskip days of Sanji were his peak.