Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Mammo]

that looks great and faithful to the manga
ok toei you win, I'm excited for the anime, hope they paced it well
hyped for Shibata spinoff too

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

We've had the TV Asashi Live animanga songs ranking this morning. Shonen Jump songs in the Top-100 (won by A Cruel Thesis from Evangelion):

2. Gurenge by LiSA (Kimetsu no Yaiba)
8. Get Wild by TM NETWORK (City Hunter)
14. Until the World Ends... by WANDS (Slam Dunk)
17. CHA-LA HEAD-CHA-LA by Hironobu Kageyama (Dragon Ball)
20. Donten by DOES (Gintama)
26. Mazinger Z Theme by Ichirou Mizuki (Mazinger Z)
29. Stories by Snow Man (Black Clover)
31. Ai wo Torimodose by Crystal King (Fist of the North Star)
33. Limit Break x Survivor by Kiyoshi Hikawa (Dragon Ball (Super))
35. Peace Sign by Kenshi Yonezu (My Hero Academia)
40. Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku by FIELD OF VIEW (Dragon Ball)
46. We Are! by Hiroshi Kitadani (One Piece)
48. Pegasus Fantasy by MAKE-UP (Saint Seiya)
63. Kimi Ga Suki Da To Sakebitai by BAAD (Slam Dunk)
66. Hohoemi no Bakudan by Mawatari Matsuko (Yu Yu Hakusho)
67. Some Like It Hot!!! by SPYAIR (Gintama)
80. Imagination by SPYAIR (Haikyuu!)
81. Makafushigi Adventure! by Yuriko Mori, Kohei Tanaka and Hiroki Takahashi (Dragon Ball)
85. Hikariare by BURNOUT SYNDROMES (Haikyuu!)
86. STILL LOVE HER by TM NETWORK (City Hunter)
91. PHOENIX by BURNOUT SYNDROMES (Haikyuu!)
95. FLY HIGH!!! by BURNOUT SYNDROMES (Haikyuu!)
96. Kinnikuman Go Fight! by Akira Kushida (Kinnikuman)
97. Pride Kakumei by CHiCO with HoneyWorks (Gintama)
99. Sobakasu by JUDY & MARY (Kenshin)
100. GO!!! by FLOW (Naruto)

 

[WyldViolet]

But the chapter wasn't badly received here, it was the pre release that had the "muh sexual harassment" stuff because the color page leaked. Overall the manga has been praised here from chapter 1

That's simply not true. The first two chapters had some extremely problematic material that was debated here for weeks and weeks. Halloween even had to ban discussion of the first three chapters temporarily because of all the drama.
UxU has become one of my favorite weekly reads rn, however it doesn't change history.

 

[tirakai]

Most of the negative discussion came from the oneshot and the colour pages before we got to read the chapter. People still talked about the one scene a bit more but it was well received here otherwise.

 

[James Rye]

I mean... a series can just improve over time, ya know? A series can go from bad to good.

That's simply not true. The first two chapters had some extremely problematic material that was debated here for weeks and weeks. Halloween even had to ban discussion of the first three chapters temporarily because of all the drama.
UxU has become one of my favorite weekly reads rn, however it doesn't change history.

Yeah, but this doesn't mean it was "bad" it mean the start of UU was "controversial".
In many other forums there were no such heated discussions, either because nobody cared about the problematic stuff or simply didn't saw it as problematic or because nobody talked that much about new series there and focused more on the already established ones. Also Halloween didn't ban the discussion itself because it became heated but because it was moving into a troubling and rule-breaking direction as people defending UU got called rapists and rape supporters while UU attackers got called hysteric and overdramatic. So it was right of Halloween to curbstomp the discussion when it was no longer about the series itself but about the users of this forum.

Well, considering the reception of UU it seems for Japanese readers the first couple chapters weren't that problematic for them as it was in here. In any case I am glad we were able to move away from that discussion because it only became a shout-out and not an argument. Also glad UU is received well enough in Japan to establish it as 2nd success after Mashle of the Jump newcomers this year. I have a feeling that Ayakashi Triangle might become the third success, (alone due the fact we got no more ecchi series in Jump so a large part of the Yuuna fandom might move over to AT) once the first volume releases we will get a clearer picture for how right my feeling is.^^

 

[Mammo]

about SxF sales, I wonder if it can overtake OP or simply last longer than it
then Shueisha most popular manga would be something not in there most popular magazine Jump

which (correct me if I'm wrong) have never happened in their modern history

 

[Serinox]

then Shueisha most popular manga would be something not in there most popular magazine Jump

which (correct me if I'm wrong) have never happened in their modern history

Wasn't there one year where Nana outsold One Piece? (Nana is from Shueisha's Shojo magazine "Cookie")

 

[AbrahamOmosun]

31. Ai wo Torimodose by Crystal King (Fist of the North Star)

I'm probably never going to watch FoTNS but damn I love this song.....YOU wa SHOCK!!!!

 

[yadayada]

about SxF sales, I wonder if it can overtake OP or simply last longer than it
then Shueisha most popular manga would be something not in there most popular magazine Jump

which (correct me if I'm wrong) have never happened in their modern history

NANA back in 2005 should fit the bill, I think.

 

[Mammo]

completely forgot about Nana

Ai Yazawa return from hiatus any minute now keep believing Nana bros

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

I've updated the Jump song list from that top-100. Some notes here:
-Haikyuu is the title with most anime songs. All of them in the bottom though
-Dragon Ball is also tied with Haikyuu if we count GT and Super
-Gintama has 3 songs, and Slam Dunk and City Hunter 2 songs
-GET WILD AND TOUGH
-I'm really surprised about Black Clover getting a song in the 29th place. Also, about the song. Stories was for me one of the most meh BC opening songs. I'd rather prefered Black Catcher
-MHA somehow managed to enter in the list
-A lot of diversity of titles. 15 Jump series managed to get a title here.
-Bleach is the big loser for me, with no songs in the top-10. HunterxHunter, and Death Note also have failed to include any song in the list. Naruto was really lucky (its only song was literally last place)
-Temporally there is also a lot of diversity. We have Mazinger Z for 70s, then iconic songs from 80s and 90s, and some songs for 10s (the Haikyuu domination, Gurenge, MHA...)
-00s has been the weakest decade by far. From 00s we have had only Go from Naruto and DOES from Gintama (and We Are from One Piece if you cant to count it there). I think the lack of Death Note + the 00s Jump anime being stuff with too many songs which doesn't help to get at least 1-2 of them in the status of iconic (from 00s I missed Overlap from Yu-gi-oh, the third opening from The Prince of Tennis or the To Love-Ru opening song tbh)

 

[Thundercat27]

Gotta love how people rewriting history in this thread.
Also, somewhat controversial opinion: I am lukewarm toward both Mashle and UU.
Mashle went from comedy to pure battle is fucking abysmal. While the art is serviceable, the power system is too damn lacking and the world building is one-note and over the top.
UU is meh. SCP-like organisation is its best idea and has not been utilised to its full potential. Its power system is too abstract and contrivance for most of the time.
To be fair for them, I am pretty much ambivalent toward almost all of the current line up.
And on the other hand, I am glad just Jump finally got some hits. This means more big titles for my interesting small-time Shueisha manga to leech off and live another day.

Spoiler: Tangibly related

 

[KagamiKuroko]

Nana actually outsold OP in a year?

 

[Newkerzy]

I've updated the Jump song list from that top-100. Some notes here:
-Haikyuu is the title with most anime songs. All of them in the bottom though
-Dragon Ball is also tied with Haikyuu if we count GT and Super
-Gintama has 3 songs, and Slam Dunk and City Hunter 2 songs
-GET WILD AND TOUGH
-I'm really surprised about Black Clover getting a song in the 29th place. Also, about the song. Stories was for me one of the most meh BC opening songs. I'd rather prefered Black Catcher
-MHA somehow managed to enter in the list
-A lot of diversity of titles. 15 Jump series managed to get a title here.
-Bleach is the big loser for me, with no songs in the top-10. HunterxHunter, and Death Note also have failed to include any song in the list. Naruto was really lucky (its only song was literally last place)
-Temporally there is also a lot of diversity. We have Mazinger Z for 70s, then iconic songs from 80s and 90s, and some songs for 10s (the Haikyuu domination, Gurenge, MHA...)
-00s has been the weakest decade by far. From 00s we have had only Go from Naruto and DOES from Gintama (and We Are from One Piece if you cant to count it there). I think the lack of Death Note + the 00s Jump anime being stuff with too many songs which doesn't help to get at least 1-2 of them in the status of iconic (from 00s I missed Overlap from Yu-gi-oh, the third opening from The Prince of Tennis or the To Love-Ru opening song tbh)

It’s really ironic that Haruka Kanata (#2 Naruto OP) didn’t even make the list, when that song imo was what introduced a lot of people to J-Rock and anime openings in general. Also, I remember that Busou Renkin’s OP was popular back then.

 

[KagamiKuroko]

about SxF sales, I wonder if it can overtake OP or simply last longer than it
then Shueisha most popular manga would be something not in there most popular magazine Jump

which (correct me if I'm wrong) have never happened in their modern history

OP physical sales have been declining and SxF growth doesn’t seem like it’s stopping anytime soon, would not be shocked if it beat OP the year it’s anime airs

 

[Tamil]

That Jigokuraku chapter destroyed me

 

[Thundercat27]

Nana actually outsold OP in a year?

Yes

2005 Japan's Manga Sales

Volume Sales Nakahara BL 1. Nana vol.12 2. Nana vol.13 3. One Piece vol.38 4. One Piece vol.37 5. Nana vol.14 6. Hagane no Renkinjutsushi (FMA) vol.11 7. One Piece vol.36 8. One Piece vol.39 9. Hagane no Renkinjutsushi (FMA) vol.10 10. Hunter x Hunter vol.21 11. Hunter x Hunter vol.22 12. Hagane...

myanimelist.net

 

[SharkBait]

wow surprised viz is showing this chapter of ayakashi triangle, you can make out the nipples on the bewbies...

 

[Serinox]

High School Family really didn't connect with me on basically anything. Feels really weak overall. Hard pass.

But it is a gag manga, so it might find its audience.

 

[lgrmjauffre]

I can't wait for the Ayakashi Triangle volume releases. Excited to see the ecchi scenes uncensored.