One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

If I remember the flashback properly, people didn't even know Laugh Tale is a thing (which begs the question of why did Big Mom have a Road Poneglyph back then in the first place if they didn't know what they are for). They thought Lodestar was the last island of the New World and that there was nothing left to explore in the world.
Roger somehow, by some unexplained means, discovered that Laugh Tale existed and that the Road Poneglyphs point towards it, so he gained the ambition of reaching that place where no other man (of his known history) had ever been. I don't think we know how Roger learnt about Laugh Tale, and perhaps others like Big Mom had the same information as he did, who knows, but simple knowledge of Laugh Tale's existence was his motivation, not his disease.

Perhaps Roger learned of Raftel through Voice of All Things at or near a Poneglyph? Probably traveled more that he discovered some secrets?

Rayleigh or someone said that Roger decided to go to Raftel or become a Pirate King because he was dying, and he wanted to go out with a don. At the very least, he chose to try and get to Raftel in his later life, few years before he died.

It definitely isn't necessary. Roger stole Big Mom's Poneglyph, was gifted the Wano and Zou Poneglyphs and was easily able to get the last one as it was not hidden. He did not really fight for any of them.

Roger became PK without defeating any of his peers. Even Shiki's fleet got destroyed by a storm.

Exactly! And if fighting was really necessary, then why wouldn't Luffy argue with Usopp? He just went quiet and resentfully agreed or something, so that should make it clear. We know Luffy actually wants to fight the Emperors, so he needs at least be strong enough to win even if inferior to them. However, if he wanted to, he could get to Raftel without needing to fight them or be stronger than them.

In any case, Luffy is often weaker than his opponents during the arc (only recent exception being Hodi and Caesar). I think I mentioned this already though.

 

[McNuss]

Roger beat all of them at God Valley before and he was on a timelimit when he visited Big Mom territory for her road poneglyphs in addition to being sick.

Roger defeated Xebec together with Garp at God Valley. It has never been said that the duo took out all of them.

 

[kkck]

We simply lack specifics regarding how the events at god valley played out. It is also worth noting that Rocks wasn't a very united crew and they were prone to disagreements and infighting. Kaido, big mom and whitebeard in one crew is actually a recipe for disaster. And we have no details of who fought who at the time...

 

[Ramen]

Oh so Mihawk is on a tier by himself? Easily the most overrated character we've seen in this series.

 

[Rmstorm]

Roger defeated Xebec together with Garp at God Valley. It has never been said that the duo took out all of them.

Stop writing BS, in chapter 957

It was stated that Roger and Garp took on the Rocks Pirates( not Rocks alone), with the Rocks Pirates losing.

And we see a Roger and Garp 2 v 4( Kaido, Xebec, Kaido, Whitebeard).

 

[Nie Li]

Stop writing BS, in chapter 957

It was stated that Roger and Garp took on the Rocks Pirates( not Rocks alone), with the Rocks Pirates losing.

And we see a Roger and Garp 2 v 4( Kaido, Xebec, Kaido, Whitebeard).

Well, that picture is in Sengoku's mind and it's too shadowed. It might just be a "representation of the event" rather than an actual picture of the fight.

But yeah, they defeated the Rocks Pirates, so they definitely defeated Big Mom, Kaido and Whitebeard, other than Shiki, Xebec, John and the rest.

Either they directly took down all of them, or at least made them run away or surrender. We are missing the details, but a defeat is a defeat.

 

[LadyVados]

Oh so Mihawk is on a tier by himself? Easily the most overrated character we've seen in this series.

I think Mihawk is about as strong as Prime Garp who I consider a tier above everyone else around today.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Where was this mentioned, though? From what it looks like, only Roger thought of going to Raftel, conquering the sea, and becoming the Pirate King, and that was late in his life when he found out he had an incurable disease. Otherwise it seems they all were just pirates for fun and/or to loot stuff.

I still say the strength isn't really necessary to become the Pirate King. In Luffy's case, he does need to be strong enough as he chose to take on the Yonkou in his quest.

The latest flashback and chapter 0.

"Roger did what all thought was IMPOSSIBLE..."

I think Mihawk is about as strong as Prime Garp who I consider a tier above everyone else around today.

Holy shit, what?

Based on what? Lol

Imagine Prime Garp getting stalled by Vista and asking for a postponement.

Mihawk isvastly overrated, lol

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 8, 2020 ---

The definitive list-

Wow I can even....

 

[Ramen]

I think Mihawk is about as strong as Prime Garp who I consider a tier above everyone else around today.

Nothing shows he's Prime Garp tier. That would mean he's Roger and Primebeard tier which is not true.

 

[LadyVados]

I think they should logically be equal since Mihawk is the pinnacle of swordsmanship while Garp was the pinnacle of fistmanship.

1. Neither of them have devil fruits

2. Neither of them have COC

3. They both use a basic form of combat in the one piece world (swords and fists) and are perfect at it.

4.They were both friendly rivals to a legendary pirate with strong COC who wore the same straw hat.

Look at their titles- The world’s strongest SWORDsman and garp the FIST.

One is a flawless master of swordfighting, the other is a flawless master of fistfighting. They should logically be on the same level.

There are 2 basic styles of fighting in OP- swords and fists and both are at the absolute pinnacle of their respective school.

The parallels are pretty obvious.

 

[Nie Li]

Holy shit, what?

Based on what? Lol

Imagine Prime Garp getting stalled by Vista and asking for a postponement.

Mihawk isvastly overrated, lol

Imagine a Yonkou losing an arm to one of the smallest sea kings to date.

We don't know Vista's actual strength nor skill, we know he's no pushover. What we do know is that Mihawk didn't try hard to do anything during the war, so using the Vista argument thing to suggest Mihawk's level is limited to around "YC4" is shaky ground.

 

[Ramen]

Mihawk is the pinnacle of swordsmanship while Garp was the pinnacle of fistmanship.

Means literally nothing.

1. Neither of them have devil fruits

And?

2. Neither of them have COC

And?

3. They both use a basic form of combat in the one piece world (swords and fists) and are perfect at it.

And?

4.They were both friendly rivals to a legendary pirate with strong COC who wore the same straw hat.

And?


Mihawk admits to being inferior to old WB when he threw the slash at him which Jozu blocked. Even if you have Mihawk above Shanks, there's barely any difference between them.

 

[albertwv]

I think they should logically be equal since Mihawk is the pinnacle of swordsmanship while Garp was the pinnacle of fistmanship.

1. Neither of them have devil fruits

2. Neither of them have COC

3. They both use a basic form of combat in the one piece world (swords and fists) and are perfect at it.

4.They were both friendly rivals to a legendary pirate with strong COC who wore the same straw hat.

Look at their titles- The world’s strongest SWORDsman and garp the FIST.

One is a flawless master of swordfighting, the other is a flawless master of fistfighting. They should logically be on the same level.

There are 2 basic styles of fighting in OP- swords and fists and both are at the absolute pinnacle of their respective school.

The parallels are pretty obvious.

Whis, Idk if you're new around here, but we don't claim Mihawk is Top Tier above the Yonkos. Not unless there's factual up to date proof that he is. Him rivaling Shanks is an outdated concept.
Everyone else, relax calm down, he doesn't know about the endless fights we had with Nik regarding Mihawk and the sword vs fist. Let's move on.

BTW, Roger and Garp fought the Rocks Pirates, and Rocks was defeated (kill) but that also includes the rest of the pirates were defeated. I have a hard time imagining just those 2 defeating all of the rest of the Rocks pirates but it happened.

 

[LadyVados]

Even if you have Mihawk above Shanks, there's barely any difference between them.

I honestly think Shanks is close in strength to Roger, and if he hadn’t lost his arm he would have been as strong as him. As it is he would be a high diff fight for Mihawk/Garp/Roger/Primebeard. If he had never lost his arm he would have been their equal.

 

[Ramen]

I honestly think Shanks is close in strength to Roger, and if he hadn’t lost his arm he would have been as strong as him. As it is he would be a high diff fight for Mihawk/Garp/Roger/Primebeard. If he had never lost his arm he would have been their equal.

But that's canonically wrong.

 

[LadyVados]

But that's canonically wrong.

How ?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Imagine a Yonkou losing an arm to one of the smallest sea kings to date.

We don't know Vista's actual strength nor skill, we know he's no pushover. What we do know is that Mihawk didn't try hard to do anything during the war, so using the Vista argument thing to suggest Mihawk's level is limited to around "YC4" is shaky ground.

1. He wasn't a yonko at the time

2. If it was up to Oda it wouldn't have happened and he was pressured into doing it. This is well known.

3. It was confirmed Vista's swordsmanship was enough to challenge Mihawk

4. I didn't say YC 4 at all. I implied Garp wouldn't have been stalled at all as he clowned Marco instantly

And it still doesn't change the fact..

 

[LadyVados]

1. He wasn't a yonko at the time

2. If it was up to Oda it wouldn't have happened and he was pressured into doing it. This is well known.

3. It was conformed Vosta's swordsmanship was enough to challenge Mihawk

4. I didn't say YC 4 at all. I implied Garp wouldn't have been stalled at all as he clowned Marco instantly

And it still doesn't change the fact..

If the plot required him to be stalled he would be.

And if Garp had been in Mihawk’s place and someone like Jozu in Vista’s they would probably have had a brief boxing match type of thing.

 

[Pirate Queen]

If the plot required him to be stalled he would be.

And if Garp had been in Mihawk’s place and someone like Jozu in Vista’s they would probably have had a brief boxing match type of thing.

Garp knocked down marco instantly so again you are canonical incorrect. Garp wrecked a YC of equal or greater level than Vista.

 

[Ramen]

How ?

Mihawk admitting to being inferior to old WB and there is no proof as to there being ang gap between Mihawk and Shanks. At the most one edges the other.