Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Verter]

Spoiler: ....

I also wrote some possibilities

One more possibility:
- Acno got Draconovirus (DoVID-19)
- DoVID-19 decreased haemoglobin (so as well as ferrum) in his body
- Acno ate medical drug (=iron)
- Acno guano turned black
- 4 losers ate "something black"
Behold Black dragon eaters knights

 

[MangerDan]

He said no mercy for Skullion's team if they fail this time.

All he said was I won’t accept anymore failures that’s it.

 

[Verter]

The lack of proof is evidence enough. Gildarts blitzed August.

Which manga that guy read ?

That "blitz" did not do any significant damage. Gild was even in worse condition after his kick then August.

 

[mwarren100]

stop griefing

Not griefing. It's going to be a reality.

 

[GL_Nova]

Yep, DF get's pushed a tier and solos. Unless in the off chance Mashima makes him so powerful that Natsu by himself can't challenge it.

See, the reason I’m so confident in the 1v1 is it feels like he’s trying to take a second shot at Alvarez. An trying to do the opposite of what he did last time. Hence the big 1v1 foreshadowing for Ignia. So I think he’ll be busy doing that while the guild war is really going down. An I don’t see a group battle with Natsu preoccupied. I see Diablos and FT pairing off while Natsu has his showdown with Ignia and Lucy and Happy witness. Like the final fight in Rave.

 

[Ramen]

Like the final fight in Rave.

Which I still have to read. Smh

 

[mwarren100]

Lucy vs selene is gonna happen. The most hyped battle in the future .

 

[Ramen]

Lucy vs selene is gonna happen. The most hyped battle in the future .

Are you trolling at this point?

 

[kian]

Are you trolling at this point?

I thought I was bad for talking about Mira a lot

 

[Ramen]

I thought I was bad for talking about Mira a lot

I mean you had your moments but nothing like this.

 

[Seven777]

Okay, sure. That's still not the same as Natsu thinking about the entire guild. That's what Natsu himself considers to be his greatest source of power. Zeref had it way worse than Natsu. He's suffered for 400 years, killing anybody that got close to him. It was to the point where he wanted to erase the whole world and start over. Natsu snapped out of his rage when he remembered his childhood with Gray and Erza. I'd take Zeref's darkness over Natsu's any day.

We know that the more emotional Natsu is, the stronger he becomes. We're told that Natsu can turn his emotions directly into MP. How is that not all the reason we need to deduce that stronger attacks involving POF= Natsu being more emotional?

Doesn't matter if we think Natsu needed it. The point is that he simply wasn't as emotional while Jellal was casting Altairis as when he actually saw Simon die to it. We know this because Natsu ended getting a POF boost and blitzed Jellal right after the latter. Likewise, it's not like Natsu didn't get emotional fighting Laxus. He did, just not when Laxus was casting Fairy Law. It happened when Gajeel took a shot for him. That's when he was able to muster the strength to fight again.

Flames of emotion is active all the time. It's a part of his dragon slaying magic. It's just a matter how emotional Natsu gets. Savage flames are just flames of emotion taken to their extreme. Natsu's emotions might not reach such levels for every opponent he fights, but that's still not the same as having to eat something for a power-up.

It's... kinda better. And simply thinking about something isn't emotion, Natsu was in a clearly greater emotional state from Lucy, as would literally anyone be in that situation. Zeref had it worse than Natsu over his entire life, doesn't mean everyday of Zeref's is a worse day than Natsu's. In fact I'd say when kid Natsu died it was probably a worse day than anything he's had since, despite him being a mortal non-murderer at the time.

No we don't.
Because emotions are just as much an unknown as PoF? As is the way it translates into magic? As is when he even activate its? You say Flames of Emotion is on all the time, but you don't know that, Natsu certainly doesn't seem to. There is also nothing suggesting it's part of dragon slaying magic, no other dragon slayer magic has it, it's not called dragon slaying magic, Erigor already knew he was a fire dragon slayer before he knew about the Flames of Emotion, and he was still surprised when it was revealed, so I'm even going to go ahead and say Flames of Emotion is confirmed a separate magic.

Exactly my point, he cant control his emotions, no more than he can control getting any other power up. The fact that he can't trigger it when the people he loves are about to die just goes to show that the power is entirely out of his control.

No, it's power taken from the guild, yet another random ability PoF grants that we don't understand. And yes, it's the same as having something to power him up, after all, Natsu might not get a random power up every fight too, but he gets them more often than he gets any noticeable boost from PoF. As for it not being the same, obviously, being enchanted by 7 dragon slayers isn't the same as getting Ignia's magic either, they're both still power ups outside of Natsu's control, just like PoF.

 

[Ramen]

Wrong thread for this
Someone has to shift it to power thread

Sorry cant show the scan. I am on my phone. But you already seen it. One page or two after the scan you provided. Laxus tries to electrocute erza while holding her feat. It has no effect on erza because she can requip faster than laxus lightning travels. That is what you call blocking it, no?
Laxus being above erza is not cannon.
He was only compared once with gildarts

Not above herself apparently. 100 year quest proves that much.
Laxus landing hits on hades doesnt mean much, if you are comparing it with someone who is already wrecked.
And in same gmg erza took out two characters who were both >erza

Again wrong thread.


Is this supposed to mean something? Makarov thought Natsu could take Laxus......but we all know he couldn't.

Why is this somehow less valid than erza (natsu biggest fan girl) wanking natsu

He actually does hit her with the attack but she re-equipped. That does not mean block. Laxus actually blocked her attack with one hand.

It is canon, and twice according to Hades' statement. Being compared to Gildarts who would stomp Erza (according to her) is a feat.

Were not talking 100YQ. Were talking early on. He's still slightly above her currently anyways.

Her and Team Natsu were still holding up well and couldn't land a hit.

Erza beat GMG characters relative to her. Laxus beat someone who was leagues above her. Mira even said Jura was stronger than both combined.

 

[Axiomus]

It's... kinda better. And simply thinking about something isn't emotion, Natsu was in a clearly greater emotional state from Lucy, as would literally anyone be in that situation. Zeref had it worse than Natsu over his entire life, doesn't mean everyday of Zeref's is a worse day than Natsu's. In fact I'd say when kid Natsu died it was probably a worse day than anything he's had since, despite him being a mortal non-murderer at the time.

No we don't.
Because emotions are just as much an unknown as PoF? As is the way it translates into magic? As is when he even activate its? You say Flames of Emotion is on all the time, but you don't know that, Natsu certainly doesn't seem to. There is also nothing suggesting it's part of dragon slaying magic, no other dragon slayer magic has it, it's not called dragon slaying magic, Erigor already knew he was a fire dragon slayer before he knew about the Flames of Emotion, and he was still surprised when it was revealed, so I'm even going to go ahead and say Flames of Emotion is confirmed a separate magic.

Exactly my point, he cant control his emotions, no more than he can control getting any other power up. The fact that he can't trigger it when the people he loves are about to die just goes to show that the power is entirely out of his control.

No, it's power taken from the guild, yet another random ability PoF grants that we don't understand. And yes, it's the same as having something to power him up, after all, Natsu might not get a random power up every fight too, but he gets them more often than he gets any noticeable boost from PoF. As for it not being the same, obviously, being enchanted by 7 dragon slayers isn't the same as getting Ignia's magic either, they're both still power ups outside of Natsu's control, just like PoF.

It's not better at all. Flames of emotion make Natsu stronger the more emotional he gets. Since Natsu was obviously stronger when he fought Zeref, that's proof that he was more emotional too. Zeref tapped into all his rage, sorrow, and darkness he's accumulated over his lifetime. Not just for that particular day.

Yes, we do know that Natsu gets stronger the more emotional he becomes. Erigor noticed that Natsu can turn his emotions into MP when they fought. Ignia immediately noticed Natsu got stronger with his emotions when he went to punch him. Witnessing the attack Natsu used with Flames of Emotion was how Erigor came to the realization that Natsu is a dragon slayer. It may not be part of Atlas Flame's or Ignia's dragon slaying magic. But it is part of Natsu's.

Spoiler

Savage flames is literally flames of emotion. I do mean this literally.
荒ぶる感情の炎 (araburu kanjo no hono) is the kanji that Zeref said.
荒ぶる (araburu) means raging/rampaging/fierce/savage.
感情の炎 (kanjo no hono) is "flames of emotion".
"Savage flames" is just flames of emotion that is....well, described as being savage.

 

[Ramen]

Savage flames is literally flames of emotion. I do mean this literally.

Then why did Natsu become a little too powerful against Zeref? He's strong but what he showed was insane.

 

[Axiomus]

Then why did Natsu become a little too powerful against Zeref? He's strong but what he showed was insane.

That's just how strong flames of emotion makes him at their max.

 

[Ramen]

That's just how strong flames of emotion makes him at their max.

So he's never been to his max prior to that?

 

[Axiomus]

So he's never been to his max prior to that?

Nope. Either that, or never tapped into his feelings for the entire guild.

 

[Seven777]

It's not better at all. Flames of emotion make Natsu stronger the more emotional he gets. Since Natsu was obviously stronger when he fought Zeref, that's proof that he was more emotional too. Zeref tapped into all his rage, sorrow, and darkness he's accumulated over his lifetime. Not just for that particular day.

Yes, we do know that Natsu gets stronger the more emotional he becomes. Erigor noticed that Natsu can turn his emotions into MP when they fought. Ignia immediately noticed Natsu got stronger with his emotions when he went to punch him. Witnessing the attack Natsu used with Flames of Emotion was how Erigor came to the realization that Natsu is a dragon slayer. It may not be part of Atlas Flame's or Ignia's dragon slaying magic. But it is part of Natsu's.

Spoiler

Savage flames is literally flames of emotion. I do mean this literally.
荒ぶる感情の炎 (araburu kanjo no hono) is the kanji that Zeref said.
荒ぶる (araburu) means raging/rampaging/fierce/savage.
感情の炎 (kanjo no hono) is "flames of emotion".
"Savage flames" is just flames of emotion that is....well, described as being savage.

You're putting the cart before the horse there buddy, rather I'd say that Natsu being clearly more emotional after Lucy's death is proof that he doesn't get stronger with more emotion. It's not even necessarily that I disagree that more emotions can grant you more power, it can, but it is without a doubt not the only factor that decides how much strength you get from PoF, as shown against Future Rogue, where Natsu was at his most emotional.
You don't feel emotion of your lifetime, you can bring up memories to once again evoke that past emotions, but it's just a shadow of what it was at the time, incomparable to real emotion like the death of a loved one right in front of your very eyes.

Sure, Natsu get's stronger when he is emotional,
How is it a part of Natsu's? Erigor called it the Flame of Emotion, not dragon slaying magic, and he made no link to his dragon slaying magic when he named it, and even if it is part of Natsu's DS magic specifically, that still doesn't mean it's active all the time.

I mean... yeah? It's said that way in english too. Doesn't change the fact that it's a powerup outside Natsu's control. 7 DS mode is a more reliable method of getting a power up.

 

[Axiomus]

You're putting the cart before the horse there buddy, rather I'd say that Natsu being clearly more emotional after Lucy's death is proof that he doesn't get stronger with more emotion. It's not even necessarily that I disagree that more emotions can grant you more power, it can, but it is without a doubt not the only factor that decides how much strength you get from PoF, as shown against Future Rogue, where Natsu was at his most emotional.
You don't feel emotion of your lifetime, you can bring up memories to once again evoke that past emotions, but it's just a shadow of what it was at the time, incomparable to real emotion like the death of a loved one right in front of your very eyes.

Sure, Natsu get's stronger when he is emotional,
How is it a part of Natsu's? Erigor called it the Flame of Emotion, not dragon slaying magic, and he made no link to his dragon slaying magic when he named it, and even if it is part of Natsu's DS magic specifically, that still doesn't mean it's active all the time.

I mean... yeah? It's said that way in english too. Doesn't change the fact that it's a powerup outside Natsu's control. 7 DS mode is a more reliable method of getting a power up.

How so? We know that Natsu gets stronger the more emotional he gets. The fact that POF made him stronger against Zeref is proof that he was more emotional than when future Lucy died. Or, at the very least, it's proof that Natsu's feelings for the guild grants a superior power-up compared to his other emotions. Natsu said so himself that it's his greatest power. I happen to believe that not all emotions give equal POF boosts, and that emotions closer to love are inherently superior. But I digress. You can get just as sad or angry remembering an event as when you first experienced it. Or even worse, if you have feelings of regret.

Flames of Emotion are a part of Natsu's dragon slaying magic because that's the only type of fire magic he knows. Moreover, flames of emotion is an ancient spell, which are magic that comes from 400 years ago. The only magic that Natsu could have possibly learned from 400 years ago that involves fire is his dragon slaying magic.

Ignia noticed that emotions were making Natsu stronger simply by blocking a basic punch. The fact that Natsu doesn't even have to be that angry for characters to pick up on emotions making him stronger tells us that it's active pretty much all the time. The only variable is how emotional Natsu gets. You can argue that it's rare for Natsu to ever reach the same state that he did against Zeref, but that still doesn't make it the same as eating something for a power-up. One comes from Natsu eating a source of magic outside his body. The other comes from Natsu's emotions.

 

[sharkai]

He actually does hit her with the attack but she re-equipped. That does not mean block. Laxus actually blocked her attack with one hand.

It is canon, and twice according to Hades' statement. Being compared to Gildarts who would stomp Erza (according to her) is a feat.

Were not talking 100YQ. Were talking early on. He's still slightly above her currently anyways.

Her and Team Natsu were still holding up well and couldn't land a hit.

Erza beat GMG characters relative to her. Laxus beat someone who was leagues above her. Mira even said Jura was stronger than both combined.

You are interested in this? Ok

Did laxus attack hurt erza? Or requip completely negated his attack?

Um, i dont think hades statement is cannon. Atleast i dont remember it in the manga. All i remember laxus wailing on hades, and ones hades started to fight, laxus pretty much falls.

Ok

That team had more fights than gildarts, and gildarts couldnt even stand. So its not a good comparison. Just like your position in laxus vs phantom thread. Laxus lost to natsu because of wasted magic power

Erm not exactly.
Minerva put kagura well above laxus and erza. She was in the list of people (along with jura) ogra and others werent supposed to approach because they will just lose members.
Jura put Minerva pretty far above too. I dont have the official translation, but after seeing that god war spell he was suprised that someone this strong was walking around.

Before the battle the hype was
Jura > mira + erza
And
Kagura > erza
Minerva > erza

And only reason erza was really injured in that fight was because she was saving kagura from that rock.