Fantasy Aldoron vs Brandish & Eileen

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My dude just said Brandish >>>> parent dragon in feats

Shirking a country is impressive, but amounts to nothing in combat. Parent dragons gave us the FASTEST feats ever seen in the series. They blitz and one shot any Spriggan

Her dragon form got one shot by Erza. Pretty much everyone except you agree on this part lol.
Yeah, Sema is a meteor from space, Jellol pretty much does the same but weaker version, don't see you praising him lol (unless you wanna claim the Jellol's meteor came from thin air, it obviously got summoned from space as well).

Where did Zeref tell that Face wasn't a factor for Spriggans. Unless stated otherwise, Face makes Spriggans useless, as it's implied to work even on END book, and even partial END is high tier Spriggan
10 years ago, he would still have his 3 most powerful Spriggans and Bradman with him. Probably Wahl and Jacob as well.

Brandish has country-continental level feats which the parent dragons do not. Smashing FACE across the country is meaningless as it only took DF Wendy level power to destroy them.

Um, she can enchant a country that means she can affix it to her whims lol. Also compressing a country does involve dc as she is squishing a country level to 1/20th of its size. Blitz? Deus Sema >>>> Dragon crossing feat in speed lel. Deus Sema is the fastest speed feat in the manga. Dragon crossing calc was a fraction of the Deus Sema speed calc and they were give the same time frame lol.

Nope, please learn what oneshot means. Sema has shown nothing to say it comes from the same place as Deus Sema or that it is even a real meteorite from space. We don't assume where meteors come from either otherwise a whole lot of bs meteor claims could be made in VSbattles. Jellal's meteorite is only as fast as a regular meteorite shile Irene's was shown to be far faster.

Zeref only said it would do widespread dame. Widespread = his army not individuals. It was going to work on a seal not actual END. And Tartarus Natsu END has nothing to say he was on the level of Alvarez END since Base Alvarez Natsu is megaton stronger than Tartarus Base Natsu. He would still have most of his S12 just lost the bulk of his army. S12s literally were gonna destroy Ishgar with FACE and Etherion active had Zeref not stepped in. The S12s nor Zeref were scared of either and as shown by several S12s display of power they had no problem to be.

Destroying face's physical structure means absolutely nothing, because it doesn't destroy face's magic. You're just smashing a big rock. Again, the parent dragons were actually able to destroy face's magic and stop it's effects. Wendy wasn't. It's as simple as that. We know how much magic power each face from the explosion of Carla's self destruction spell. Each and every one of the parent dragons attacks scales to above the MP in those explosions. Face absolutely does have magic. It is a magic that disables other magic. Carla noted how much ethernano, which is what magic power is made of, that face had absorbed and rigged it to explode with a self destruction spell. And who says that self-destruction spell isn't an indicator of MP? It is. Jellal's self destruct spell on Nirvanna would have involved both his own MP and the MP of Nirvanna, assuming he did what Carla did. If not, then it's not even a relevant comparison.

They didn't destroy the magic, they just completely destroyed the FACE weapon which stopped it from producing anti magic lol. Wendy couldn't finish the job bcs she was put of magic fighting Ezel. She could have done it had she not had a fight that took everything she had to win. The FACE structures are not hard to destroy at all. They don't scale to those explosions bcs none of them were hit by them. The FACEs never self destructed and were just destroyed lol. Carla had to reconfigure the energy to create the self destruct pattern which means it is not solely based on the power FACE has.

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FACE hadn't activated at the time and wipeout magic in it's vicinity either like the one Carla blew up as well. Jellal also didn't have the power to destroy Nirvana with magic alone yet his self destruct was able to. Same with Carla blowing up FACE. Also since when is destroying something mean you are equivalent in magic power?

The definition of a meteor is a rock from outer space. Unless you want to argue that Sema is not actually a meteor (and it is), then he's also summoning it from space. He's pulling rocks from the same distance that Irene is. It's just a smaller rock.

Nothing says Sema is a real meteorite or that he is pulling a meteorite from space. His meteorite is also only as fast a regular meteorite lol. Deus Sema was not just bigger but far faster than Sema as well. And the definition means squat as Jellal has a magic spell called meteor and he is not an actual meteor. Attack names don't really mean anything in terms of the actual definition of its namesake. It's like thinking Bluenote's Blackhole is a real blackhole lol.

Irene doesn't have multi-planetary level AoE anymore than Jellal does. Irene can't just reach across the continent and make 3000 targets explode. If she could do that, then she would have no diffed Fairy Tail. It would be easier to defeat Fairy Tail than it would be to disable face, and I'm factoring POF for everybody in the guild. It's quite frankly a ridiculous reach given what her feats actually are.

Show feats of Jellal's coming from planets away. If you can't then you can't actually compare the two spells as one has actual feats while the other is pure speculation and hers is far stronger than Jellal's so it's not scalable lol. She can attack across the planet bcs she has shown the feats that show it and reinforce her statements of where her enchant can reach.

Here's what Irene can do: She can summon a meteor that can maybe nuke the battlefield they were fighting on had Erza not smashed it. With preparation, she can enchant the land in a country. Even if I agree for the sake of argument that she can turn Universe One into a bomb, which in and of itself is a reach, these 2 feats combined would not disable every face on the continent.

As seen by the shockwave it was gonna do far more damage than just the battlefield. Prep she only would need in human form which restricts her power to a fraction of her Dragon form. Prep was also minimal. She can also do these attacks continously as they have no strain on her magic.

While we're on the subject of debunking feats that Irene does not have, Irene never separated Fairy Heart from Mavis. Zeref did. Irene was duped by Mavis, who ran away with Fairy Heart still inside her.

Irene was going to do it. She got duped bcs she wasn't expecting Invel to have gone down, but Zeref knew that which is why he came in.

Zeref managed to separate Fairy Heart from Mavis magic far faster than Irene could, and he also figured out how to transform her into a human when she couldn't.

Yeah, he figured out her transformation which Irene herself praised him for, but he also stated she was a genius at it lol.

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So he's arguably better than Irene at separation enchantment, and at magic overall. By extension, so is Aldoron seeing as Aldoron can make minions that can clone Zeref.

We are talking about the parent dragons not the DGs lol. Also, if Zeref was better at it then he would have done the enchantment himself instead of using her.

Irene never sealed Acnologia away either. Universe One merely dropped everyone off in random locations, and Irene herself had no clue what happened to Acnologia. She just wanted him as far away from Zeref as possible, and speculated that he was dropped off in the middle of the ocean. Acnologia would have been free to move the entire time.

I'll rephrase my previous statement, she removed him from the battleflied for far longer than timelapse lol.

Nobody in Fairy Tail had any reason to be afraid of the parent dragons, because they were clearly on the same side. They did, however, express that they felt that they were invincible with parent dragons were on their side.

They gawked at Makarov's MP when he flexed tho lol. They did the same for Laxus as well. They will express their surprise for their comrades MP. Igneel is apart of the parent dragons and they just stopped FACE so ofc they'd feel invincible lol.

Obviously Acnologia never saw any of the other parent dragons in action. Even if he sensed them, he would have been too busy fighting Igneel to make comments on them. It's an irrelevant point to make.

He knew the parent dragons were there. Igneel was talking about them right in front of his face lol. Igneel died before them. He just didn't care to go after him after beating Igneel.

Acnologia would ignore Irene completely if he was fighting Igneel too.

He seemed to be very invested in just Irene's corpse lol. He most likely wouldn't have ignored her just bcs she is the inventor of slayer magic which he had a deep seeded hatred for. He also acknowledged her power when the first met as well.

In any case, Makarov felt that Fairy Heart wouldn't have made a difference once face activated, and he was planning to empower all of Fairy Tail with it. Parent dragons operated on the level that Makarov wanted FH empowered guild to operate at, while technically undergoing nerfs to their MP.

That is false. Makarov didn't want to activate FH bcs he didn't want FH to start empowering things beyond his control like Etherion. Plus he wanted to keep it a secret from greedy hands like Alvarez. FH would have negated FACE had it been activated.

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Queen of the Dragons title was just because she was the queen of Dragnov, from which the strongest person there was Belserion. Becoming the Sage Dragon in the latter stages of her dragon slaying magic is more impressive than becoming the Queen of Dragons in Dragnov, which she had before even becoming a dragon slayer. Irene is literally at her most powerful when she assumes her dragon form, and she refers to herself as a Sage Dragon in that form. It's her most impressive title, unless you want to tell me Irene with her enchanted wooden stick can take on herself in dragon form.

She doesn't even call herself Sage Dragon tho, but I am pressed for time so I won't go further lol.

Again, Erza's spamming all her weapons with Heaven's Wheel isn't a display of physical strength. It's a display of how much force she can generate with her telekinesis using every single last one of her weapons. Each sword only has to push Acnologia back a little bit for the accumulated effects to do what it did, and what it did was roughly equivalent to what the Christina airship did.

Christina didn't fight RoT Acno who was stated to be relying on instincts alone lol. Each of the swords was far stronger than anything DS have shown bar Natsu. They had DS magic yet were powerless, same goes for Jellal, and a lot others against Acno. The only person to knock him straight out of the sky was Igneel. Christina moved him but it was only a couple feet not like over 100m and it is a ship lol.

Also, pushing Acnologia when he's not paying attention and not actively exerting his strength simply isn't as impressive as you're trying to make it out to be.

He actually was it was stated he was using his instinct and not playing around.

They're just pushing an object of Acnologia's mass. I can push a man of Brock Lesnar's size if they aren't expecting it. I can't out wrestle Brock Lesnar if he's got his heart set on running me over. Anyways Erza's strength comes as a consequence of her magic power.

Except he was using his power indiscriminately at that point. He was also actively flying upwards when she smacked him out of the sky. It would be like trying to push Supes out of the sky lol. It would be darn near impossible by normal means.

Unless you believe Erza with POF has enough MP to resist the effects of face and run around a continent smashing 3000 of them, then she's not on the level of Grandeeney.

Country level feat > smashing FACEs across a continent. Why are you acting like destroying FACES = a DC feat? Speed wise she has shown a far better feat than Grandeeney based on actual calcs and the DC of that meteor scales above Brandish country level feat. Both are better. Grandeeney was not as affected by FACE bcs of her physiology not bcs of her power.

Irene is a dragon. But she was a dragon that suffered fatal damage from a combination of Wendy's magic and Erza's strength.

Erza would kill featless Grandeeney with that attack lol. Grandeeney has zero country level or island level dura feats.

Brandish and Dimaria had their powers stopped by anti-magic handcuffs. There ain't no way I'm believing they'll operate under the effects of face.

What does that have to do with anything? What are you not getting that their physiology is the reason they were able to resist FACE? Kyouka was able to get out of magic sealing cuffs yet she is fodder to even the weakest S12. Dunno why you are acting like biological advantage means jack squat when magic evens the playing field for humans lol. Can Grandeeney turn off people's magic or something otherwise arguing Grandeeney is stronger than a magicless Brandish is meaningless. By feats Brandish has better destructive and dura feats. Grandeeney cannot produce the same level of strength as Aldo sized character lol.

The same is true for the rest of the Spriggans on their level. Wall was never stated to be able to destroy Magnolia. He was aiming for Fairy Tail guild. Either way it also doesn't change the fact that as soon as his beam enters face's range, it'll start to dissipate.

He was stated to be able to.

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How so? We don't if FACE just erases magic itself or just the source of the magic.

The only Spriggans that would have been immune from face is Bloodman. Maybe Larcade. Irene and August can maybe resist it's effects if we assume they have MP levels to rival a parent dragon, but they'll need to destroy all the faces in order to not eventually succumb.

They'd only need to destroy FACE in a local area to stop it. FACE needs multiple outposts across the continent to affect the entire thing.

Everyone else would have simply had their magic disabled as soon as they set foot anywhere near Ishgal. August can maybe nuke all the faces in one country with Ars Magia. Irene can maybe take out all the faces in another country by turning Universe One into a bomb. But even then, the faces in all the other countries would still be in play and take them out.

Irene still has Dragon physiology and she can just go around busting them with that alone. August probably has spells in his arsenal that came take them out widespread as well. He could just fly out of the radius using slow magic or possibly straight up stop time and nuke the area lol.

As a physical combatant, Animus has better feats than Brandish. Animus skewered Natsu, which is honestly just as impressive as Irene breaking all of Erza's bones. Animus isn't on the level of the parent dragons, because he did not have the power to manifest a body by himself like they did. He had to take power from Dragon Cry. Also, giant Gajeel isn't Brandish. It's a combination of Brandish and Gajeel. Giant Brandish wouldn't be on giant Gajeel's level in CQC, and would just get oneshotted by Aldoron's first set of thorns because she doesn't have iron skin.

Skewering Base Natsu who refused to use anything from his Alvarez arsenal is not that hard. Natsu's piercing dura is not as good as his blunt dura. Also what does Animus have to do with this? He is stronger than the Parent Dragons bar Igneel as well lol. She doesn't need iron skin to tank those needles (they were like splinters to Gajeel) and she can also regen with her powers as well. Brandish also showed better strength feats than Gajeel in Base form when she easily over powered Tartarus Lucy who had better striking power than Gajeel.

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Brandish has country-continental level feats which the parent dragons do not. Smashing FACE across the country is meaningless as it only took DF Wendy level power to destroy them.

Um, she can enchant a country that means she can affix it to her whims lol. Also compressing a country does involve dc as she is squishing a country level to 1/20th of its size. Blitz? Deus Sema >>>> Dragon crossing feat in speed lel. Deus Sema is the fastest speed feat in the manga. Dragon crossing calc was a fraction of the Deus Sema speed calc and they were give the same time frame lol.

Nope, please learn what oneshot means. Sema has shown nothing to say it comes from the same place as Deus Sema or that it is even a real meteorite from space. We don't assume where meteors come from either otherwise a whole lot of bs meteor claims could be made in VSbattles. Jellal's meteorite is only as fast as a regular meteorite shile Irene's was shown to be far faster.

Zeref only said it would do widespread dame. Widespread = his army not individuals. It was going to work on a seal not actual END. And Tartarus Natsu END has nothing to say he was on the level of Alvarez END since Base Alvarez Natsu is megaton stronger than Tartarus Base Natsu. He would still have most of his S12 just lost the bulk of his army. S12s literally were gonna destroy Ishgar with FACE and Etherion active had Zeref not stepped in. The S12s nor Zeref were scared of either and as shown by several S12s display of power they had no problem to be.


They didn't destroy the magic, they just completely destroyed the FACE weapon which stopped it from producing anti magic lol. Wendy couldn't finish the job bcs she was put of magic fighting Ezel. She could have done it had she not had a fight that took everything she had to win. The FACE structures are not hard to destroy at all. They don't scale to those explosions bcs none of them were hit by them. The FACEs never self destructed and were just destroyed lol. Carla had to reconfigure the energy to create the self destruct pattern which means it is not solely based on the power FACE has.

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FACE hadn't activated at the time and wipeout magic in it's vicinity either like the one Carla blew up as well. Jellal also didn't have the power to destroy Nirvana with magic alone yet his self destruct was able to. Same with Carla blowing up FACE. Also since when is destroying something mean you are equivalent in magic power?

Nothing says Sema is a real meteorite or that he is pulling a meteorite from space. His meteorite is also only as fast a regular meteorite lol. Deus Sema was not just bigger but far faster than Sema as well. And the definition means squat as Jellal has a magic spell called meteor and he is not an actual meteor. Attack names don't really mean anything in terms of the actual definition of its namesake. It's like thinking Bluenote's Blackhole is a real blackhole lol.

Show feats of Jellal's coming from planets away. If you can't then you can't actually compare the two spells as one has actual feats while the other is pure speculation and hers is far stronger than Jellal's so it's not scalable lol. She can attack across the planet bcs she has shown the feats that show it and reinforce her statements of where her enchant can reach.

As seen by the shockwave it was gonna do far more damage than just the battlefield. Prep she only would need in human form which restricts her power to a fraction of her Dragon form. Prep was also minimal. She can also do these attacks continously as they have no strain on her magic.

Irene was going to do it. She got duped bcs she wasn't expecting Invel to have gone down, but Zeref knew that which is why he came in.

Yeah, he figured out her transformation which Irene herself praised him for, but he also stated she was a genius at it lol.

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We are talking about the parent dragons not the DGs lol. Also, if Zeref was better at it then he would have done the enchantment himself instead of using her.

I'll rephrase my previous statement, she removed him from the battleflied for far longer than timelapse lol.

They gawked at Makarov's MP when he flexed tho lol. They did the same for Laxus as well. They will express their surprise for their comrades MP. Igneel is apart of the parent dragons and they just stopped FACE so ofc they'd feel invincible lol.

He knew the parent dragons were there. Igneel was talking about them right in front of his face lol. Igneel died before them. He just didn't care to go after him after beating Igneel.

He seemed to be very invested in just Irene's corpse lol. He most likely wouldn't have ignored her just bcs she is the inventor of slayer magic which he had a deep seeded hatred for. He also acknowledged her power when the first met as well.

That is false. Makarov didn't want to activate FH bcs he didn't want FH to start empowering things beyond his control like Etherion. Plus he wanted to keep it a secret from greedy hands like Alvarez. FH would have negated FACE had it been activated.

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She doesn't even call herself Sage Dragon tho, but I am pressed for time so I won't go further lol.

Christina didn't fight RoT Acno who was stated to be relying on instincts alone lol. Each of the swords was far stronger than anything DS have shown bar Natsu. They had DS magic yet were powerless, same goes for Jellal, and a lot others against Acno. The only person to knock him straight out of the sky was Igneel. Christina moved him but it was only a couple feet not like over 100m and it is a ship lol.

He actually was it was stated he was using his instinct and not playing around.

Except he was using his power indiscriminately at that point. He was also actively flying upwards when she smacked him out of the sky. It would be like trying to push Supes out of the sky lol. It would be darn near impossible by normal means.
Country level feat > smashing FACEs across a continent. Why are you acting like destroying FACES = a DC feat? Speed wise she has shown a far better feat than Grandeeney based on actual calcs and the DC of that meteor scales above Brandish country level feat. Both are better. Grandeeney was not as affected by FACE bcs of her physiology not bcs of her power.
Erza would kill featless Grandeeney with that attack lol. Grandeeney has zero country level or island level dura feats.

What does that have to do with anything? What are you not getting that their physiology is the reason they were able to resist FACE? Kyouka was able to get out of magic sealing cuffs yet she is fodder to even the weakest S12. Dunno why you are acting like biological advantage means jack squat when magic evens the playing field for humans lol. Can Grandeeney turn off people's magic or something otherwise arguing Grandeeney is stronger than a magicless Brandish is meaningless. By feats Brandish has better destructive and dura feats. Grandeeney cannot produce the same level of strength as Aldo sized character lol.

He was stated to be able to.

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How so? We don't if FACE just erases magic itself or just the source of the magic.

They'd only need to destroy FACE in a local area to stop it. FACE needs multiple outposts across the continent to affect the entire thing.

Irene still has Dragon physiology and she can just go around busting them with that alone. August probably has spells in his arsenal that came take them out widespread as well. He could just fly out of the radius using slow magic or possibly straight up stop time and nuke the area lol.

Skewering Base Natsu who refused to use anything from his Alvarez arsenal is not that hard. Natsu's piercing dura is not as good as his blunt dura. Also what does Animus have to do with this? He is stronger than the Parent Dragons bar Igneel as well lol. She doesn't need iron skin to tank those needles (they were like splinters to Gajeel) and she can also regen with her powers as well. Brandish also showed better strength feats than Gajeel in Base form when she easily over powered Tartarus Lucy who had better striking power than Gajeel.

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Calling down a meteor means nothing in relation to space, Jellal's magic can literally part earth's atmosphere, this also means nothing. Deus Sema is so slow that Erza's one armed push up can match it's speed, and literal fairy tail fodders can see it coming. If Eileen could actually cast spells at that speed she might as well have just tossed an earth rock, it'd be magnitudes more effective.

Kyoka didn't break the cuffs with her physiology, she did it because her power doesn't come from magic, it comes from curse.

Erza sinking Acno is about as impressive as Juvia crippling him with a boat. The reason Erza had to do it was stated clearly in the manga, he's immune to magic, so they had to rely on physical force, she wasn't even using PoF

Lucy doesn't have greater striking power than Gajeel lol, Gajeel beat a spriggan to death with his fists, he can smash Natsu into the dirt with his face, he can do the same to Aldaron with equalized size, while Lucy on the other hand can't even faze Elfman or Mira

 

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They didn't destroy the magic, they just completely destroyed the FACE weapon which stopped it from producing anti magic lol. Wendy couldn't finish the job bcs she was put of magic fighting Ezel. She could have done it had she not had a fight that took everything she had to win. The FACE structures are not hard to destroy at all. They don't scale to those explosions bcs none of them were hit by them. The FACEs never self destructed and were just destroyed lol. Carla had to reconfigure the energy to create the self destruct pattern which means it is not solely based on the power FACE has.

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FACE hadn't activated at the time and wipeout magic in it's vicinity either like the one Carla blew up as well. Jellal also didn't have the power to destroy Nirvana with magic alone yet his self destruct was able to. Same with Carla blowing up FACE. Also since when is destroying something mean you are equivalent in magic power?

Nothing says Sema is a real meteorite or that he is pulling a meteorite from space. His meteorite is also only as fast a regular meteorite lol. Deus Sema was not just bigger but far faster than Sema as well. And the definition means squat as Jellal has a magic spell called meteor and he is not an actual meteor. Attack names don't really mean anything in terms of the actual definition of its namesake. It's like thinking Bluenote's Blackhole is a real blackhole lol.

Show feats of Jellal's coming from planets away. If you can't then you can't actually compare the two spells as one has actual feats while the other is pure speculation and hers is far stronger than Jellal's so it's not scalable lol. She can attack across the planet bcs she has shown the feats that show it and reinforce her statements of where her enchant can reach.

As seen by the shockwave it was gonna do far more damage than just the battlefield. Prep she only would need in human form which restricts her power to a fraction of her Dragon form. Prep was also minimal. She can also do these attacks continously as they have no strain on her magic.

Irene was going to do it. She got duped bcs she wasn't expecting Invel to have gone down, but Zeref knew that which is why he came in.

Yeah, he figured out her transformation which Irene herself praised him for, but he also stated she was a genius at it lol.

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We are talking about the parent dragons not the DGs lol. Also, if Zeref was better at it then he would have done the enchantment himself instead of using her.

I'll rephrase my previous statement, she removed him from the battleflied for far longer than timelapse lol.

They gawked at Makarov's MP when he flexed tho lol. They did the same for Laxus as well. They will express their surprise for their comrades MP. Igneel is apart of the parent dragons and they just stopped FACE so ofc they'd feel invincible lol.

He knew the parent dragons were there. Igneel was talking about them right in front of his face lol. Igneel died before them. He just didn't care to go after him after beating Igneel.

He seemed to be very invested in just Irene's corpse lol. He most likely wouldn't have ignored her just bcs she is the inventor of slayer magic which he had a deep seeded hatred for. He also acknowledged her power when the first met as well.

That is false. Makarov didn't want to activate FH bcs he didn't want FH to start empowering things beyond his control like Etherion. Plus he wanted to keep it a secret from greedy hands like Alvarez. FH would have negated FACE had it been activated.

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She doesn't even call herself Sage Dragon tho, but I am pressed for time so I won't go further lol.

Christina didn't fight RoT Acno who was stated to be relying on instincts alone lol. Each of the swords was far stronger than anything DS have shown bar Natsu. They had DS magic yet were powerless, same goes for Jellal, and a lot others against Acno. The only person to knock him straight out of the sky was Igneel. Christina moved him but it was only a couple feet not like over 100m and it is a ship lol.

He actually was it was stated he was using his instinct and not playing around.

Except he was using his power indiscriminately at that point. He was also actively flying upwards when she smacked him out of the sky. It would be like trying to push Supes out of the sky lol. It would be darn near impossible by normal means.
Country level feat > smashing FACEs across a continent. Why are you acting like destroying FACES = a DC feat? Speed wise she has shown a far better feat than Grandeeney based on actual calcs and the DC of that meteor scales above Brandish country level feat. Both are better. Grandeeney was not as affected by FACE bcs of her physiology not bcs of her power.
Erza would kill featless Grandeeney with that attack lol. Grandeeney has zero country level or island level dura feats.

What does that have to do with anything? What are you not getting that their physiology is the reason they were able to resist FACE? Kyouka was able to get out of magic sealing cuffs yet she is fodder to even the weakest S12. Dunno why you are acting like biological advantage means jack squat when magic evens the playing field for humans lol. Can Grandeeney turn off people's magic or something otherwise arguing Grandeeney is stronger than a magicless Brandish is meaningless. By feats Brandish has better destructive and dura feats. Grandeeney cannot produce the same level of strength as Aldo sized character lol.

He was stated to be able to.

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How so? We don't if FACE just erases magic itself or just the source of the magic.

They'd only need to destroy FACE in a local area to stop it. FACE needs multiple outposts across the continent to affect the entire thing.

Irene still has Dragon physiology and she can just go around busting them with that alone. August probably has spells in his arsenal that came take them out widespread as well. He could just fly out of the radius using slow magic or possibly straight up stop time and nuke the area lol.

Skewering Base Natsu who refused to use anything from his Alvarez arsenal is not that hard. Natsu's piercing dura is not as good as his blunt dura. Also what does Animus have to do with this? He is stronger than the Parent Dragons bar Igneel as well lol. She doesn't need iron skin to tank those needles (they were like splinters to Gajeel) and she can also regen with her powers as well. Brandish also showed better strength feats than Gajeel in Base form when she easily over powered Tartarus Lucy who had better striking power than Gajeel.

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They did destroy the magic. Destroying the physical structure of face doesn't actually stop its magic. Face is a magic that destroys other magic. It's based off an EMP, which is an electromagnetic pulse that disrupts electronics. Wendy couldn't destroy face in a manner that stopped it's function. The parent dragons could. It's really as simple as that. If the excuse is that Wendy ran out of power fighting Ezel....Well, then she wouldn't have gotten the job done either way. The parent dragons could have stomped all over Mard Geer himself and still gotten the job done. I didn't say that the parent dragons caused face to self destruct. I said they destroyed face's magic, which they would have had to do to actually stop it's effects. Carla rigged the magic power of face to self destruct, and so that explosion reflects the amount of magic power each face contained.

It's called true heavenly body magic. I assume that it's truly a heavenly body. I don't see why we have to assume sema is a fake meteor. It looks like a meteor, and that's good enough for me. Also, Deus Sema isn't faster than Sema in any way that matters once it enters the atmosphere, and we have no idea how fast Sema is when its still in space. On a similar note, Irene is nowhere near as fast as Grandeeney. You can't scale the speed in which Irene summons the meteor to her movement speed. One, because Irene isn't the meteor. But more importantly, the speed in which the meteor moves in space is nowhere near as important as how fast the meteor moves once it actually enters the atmosphere. For all intents and purposes, deus sema isn't blitzing anyone if Erza can have pages of dialogue before jumping up and slashing it.

Look, I'm not interested in arguing against a version Irene being able to blow up 3000 targets from planets away. As far as I'm concerned, that's just wank. I'm going to judge Irene with what we saw with Deus Sema and Universe One, and these two feats would not stop face. Quite frankly, I don't even think Irene has the ability to make deus sema explode on will. If she did, she would have just made it explode in Erza's face.

What did I say that was false? Makarov may have regretted his decision to use face upon reflection, but that doesn't change the fact that he literally said that he was too late when face activated during Tartaros. Even if FH could have allowed FT to destroy face, what about my evaluation is wrong? The parent dragons still performed at a level that Makarov wanted the FT members to perform at, and they did so under the effects of face.

There's no functional difference between regular and ROT Acnologia's physical strength if he's not actively using his magical power to boost his physical strength. And he wasn't. He was just flying around. Using his instincts doesn't mean he was serious. It means he was mindless. He did that because his mind was preoccupied with toying around with the dragon slayers. He felt it was okay to leave his physical body on autopilot so that he could give a lecture on how great he was to the dragon slayers.

Acnologia was knocked out when Igneel talked about the parent dragons. Obviously Acnologia didn't go after the dragons because he just got an arm ripped off. He was initially going to blow up Tartaros, but he had to abandon those plans too because of Igneel. Acnologia stepped on Irene's corpse because there was nothing better to do. He wouldn't take a break from fighting Igneel to focus on Irene. He couldn't even if he wanted to.

The point is that Zeref can take Mavis' power far faster than Irene could with her separation enchantment. It's unlikely that Irene would be able to defeat Zeref in battle with her separation enchantment. Let alone Aldoron. That's really the whole point of the debate. Tbh I'm not even really interested in arguing Grandeeney vs Irene here. I only brought up Grandeeney because she's the dragon who scales most closely to a combination of Wendy and Erza, and those two provided Irene with great difficulty. Aldoron is far superior to Grandeeney, Erza, Wendy, and Zeref combined so it doesn't even matter. It would probably take Irene all of her power just to pull off a victory against a combination of the Zeref and Gildarts clones that Wolfen can make.

Dragon Cry is post-timeskip, so Animus essentially did that to Alvarez Natsu. Not like any form other than DF affects Natsu's durability anyways. And what do you mean by piercing and blunt force durability? Animus nearly killed Natsu. Does it need to be more complicated than that? I'd love to see a Spriggan do the same type of damage to Natsu in physical combat. And no, Animus isn't stronger than the parent dragons. He couldn't even manifest a body until he asborbed some of dragon cry's powers.

Ummmm.....what? Did I just read that Tartaros Lucy had better striking power than Alvarez Arc Gajeel? No she doesn't. First of all, Gajeel cut into the giant's hand in the page you posted, right before Lucy made that dent. At best they have equal attack power when Gajeel's not really going all out. Making Natsu bleed and exhausting him is still a far greater feat than defeating one of Metro's minions...especially considering Natsu has oneshotted people at and above Brandish's level. When I say that Brandish would get skewered by the first set of thorns that Aldoron launched at Gajeel, I'm not talking about the wave of thicket that was aimed at the villagers. I'm talking about these.

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And sure, Brandish can heal fatal wounds inflicted on others by shrinking them. But if the wounds are done to her, like when Dimaria cut her up, then she goes down easily.

 

[Jko]

They did destroy the magic. Destroying the physical structure of face doesn't actually stop its magic. Face is a magic that destroys other magic. It's based off an EMP, which is an electromagnetic pulse that disrupts electronics. Wendy couldn't destroy face in a manner that stopped it's function. The parent dragons could. It's really as simple as that. If the excuse is that Wendy ran out of power fighting Ezel....Well, then she wouldn't have gotten the job done either way. The parent dragons could have stomped all over Mard Geer himself and still gotten the job done. I didn't say that the parent dragons caused face to self destruct. I said they destroyed face's magic, which they would have had to do to actually stop it's effects. Carla rigged the magic power of face to self destruct, and so that explosion reflects the amount of magic power each face contained.

Nothing showed they took out the magic as you said they just damaged it enough to stop it from functioning.

It's called true heavenly body magic. I assume that it's truly a heavenly body. I don't see why we have to assume sema is a fake meteor. It looks like a meteor, and that's good enough for me. Also, Deus Sema isn't faster than Sema in any way that matters once it enters the atmosphere, and we have no idea how fast Sema is when its still in space.

It is faster as the strength of a meteor comes from mainly from it's speed and the speed the meteor was moving at before it entered the atmosphere along with it's weight would have cut through the atmosphere like butter. Jellal's isn't as fast nor as strong as Irene's meteor and has shown absolutely nothing to say his Sema in any way shape or form scales to Irene's. Irene didn't summon a meteor of any sort, but enchanted a meteorite from space and brought to Earthland at insane speeds through enchant. Jellal has shown nothing to say that is how is Sema works or that is Sema come from that far away either. It needs to be shown be feats of this to say it comes from deep space like Irene's. He doesn't scale to Irene's nor does he have feats of doing the same as Irene's therefore we can't scale his meteor beyond anything than a regular meteor.

On a similar note, Irene is nowhere near as fast as Grandeeney. You can't scale the speed in which Irene summons the meteor to her movement speed. One, because Irene isn't the meteor. But more importantly, the speed in which the meteor moves in space is nowhere near as important as how fast the meteor moves once it actually enters the atmosphere. For all intents and purposes, deus sema isn't blitzing anyone if Erza can have pages of dialogue before jumping up and slashing it.

PoF Erza's faster than Deus Sema and Irene is faster than PoF Erza. Dialogue is not a time frame. At worst it is assumed as cinematic timing and best it would be Erza straight up statueing the meteor lol. Either way Deus Sema is far above the Dragon's speed based off of calculations. The Dragons were also having dialogue in midst of their feat as well.

Look, I'm not interested in arguing against a version Irene being able to blow up 3000 targets from planets away. As far as I'm concerned, that's just wank. I'm going to judge Irene with what we saw with Deus Sema and Universe One, and these two feats would not stop face. Quite frankly, I don't even think Irene has the ability to make deus sema explode on will. If she did, she would have just made it explode in Erza's face.

Irene enchanted two million targets and has shown to enchant from multiple planets away that shows she can enchant 3000 face across Ishgar lmao.

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There is nothing wanking about it when feats show this. She even stated her can enchant targets anywhere on Earth and even beyond Earth in my previous previous post scan. Irene didn't even try to stop Erza like at all and pretty much stood there the entire time even letting herself get slashed across the neck lol. Mashima just made her do absolutely nothing.

What did I say that was false? Makarov may have regretted his decision to use face upon reflection, but that doesn't change the fact that he literally said that he was too late when face activated during Tartaros. Even if FH could have allowed FT to destroy face, what about my evaluation is wrong? The parent dragons still performed at a level that Makarov wanted the FT members to perform at, and they did so under the effects of face.

Bcs FH straight up negates FACE lol. He stated this in Alvarez and stated is reasoning for not using in Tartarus.

There's no functional difference between regular and ROT Acnologia's physical strength if he's not actively using his magical power to boost his physical strength. And he wasn't. He was just flying around. Using his instincts doesn't mean he was serious. It means he was mindless. He did that because his mind was preoccupied with toying around with the dragon slayers. He felt it was okay to leave his physical body on autopilot so that he could give a lecture on how great he was to the dragon slayers.

It was stated that he used his power indiscrimnately and targeted everything that he percieved as weakness. That is about as serious as Acno could get given his character lol. Also a massive boost in mp = massive boost in stats for Slayers so he would be physically stronger as well.

Acnologia was knocked out when Igneel talked about the parent dragons. Obviously Acnologia didn't go after the dragons because he just got an arm ripped off. He was initially going to blow up Tartaros, but he had to abandon those plans too because of Igneel. Acnologia stepped on Irene's corpse because there was nothing better to do. He wouldn't take a break from fighting Igneel to focus on Irene. He couldn't even if he wanted to.

KOed? Nah, if he was KO then Igneel would have killed him right then and there lol. Winded was more like it. His mission to kill DS and fight Zeref aren't important? Why couldn't he? Acno didn't take Igneel seriously in that fight either. Zeref already stated this and it is confirmed that he wasn't as Acno already slaughtered Igneel in the past without any injuries. A weaker Igneel is not doing lasting damage unless Acno is jobbing lol. He still killed Igneel and didn't feel like cleaning uo the rest of the Dragons lol. He would have went back for Irene given the massive amount of emotion he showed just for her corpse lol.

The point is that Zeref can take Mavis' power far faster than Irene could with her separation enchantment. It's unlikely that Irene would be able to defeat Zeref in battle with her separation enchantment. Let alone Aldoron. That's really the whole point of the debate. Tbh I'm not even really interested in arguing Grandeeney vs Irene here. I only brought up Grandeeney because she's the dragon who scales most closely to a combination of Wendy and Erza, and those two provided Irene with great difficulty. Aldoron is far superior to Grandeeney, Erza, Wendy, and Zeref combined so it doesn't even matter. It would probably take Irene all of her power just to pull off a victory against a combination of the Zeref and Gildarts clones that Wolfen can make.

Lol, the root of the discussion for me is Irene vs Grandeeney. I never said anything about Aldo just that Irene scales far past the parent Dragons (bar Igneel) by feats.

Dragon Cry is post-timeskip, so Animus essentially did that to Alvarez Natsu. Not like any form other than DF affects Natsu's durability anyways. And what do you mean by piercing and blunt force durability? Animus nearly killed Natsu. Does it need to be more complicated than that? I'd love to see a Spriggan do the same type of damage to Natsu in physical combat. And no, Animus isn't stronger than the parent dragons. He couldn't even manifest a body until he asborbed some of dragon cry's powers.

Yes, but Alvarez Natsu failed to go into any upper forms and his Igneel arm didn't even react to Animus' power either. Piercing dura is different from blunt dura. It is usually much easier to stab someone than it is to punch a whole through them. This because the mechanic behind stabbing and splitting the skin is much different than the mechanics behind a blunt force attack. Natsu has already shown that he needed to melt metal bladed attacks before it touched him in order to not be pierced by them. He doesn't have invulnerability to bladed attacks like a dragon.

Ummmm.....what? Did I just read that Tartaros Lucy had better striking power than Alvarez Arc Gajeel? No she doesn't. First of all, Gajeel cut into the giants too in the page you posted. At best they have equal attack power when Gajeel's not really going all out. Gajeel can slug it out with Natsu and killed Bloodman.

Meant Taurus Lucy which I showed my reasoning in the scan. Gajeel could not smash through the Golem while Taurus Lucy did. That means Taurus Lucy has better striking than Gajeel. Gajeel is far more durable than he is powerful lol. He needed DF to kill Bloodman and I said she is stronger than his Base form. Lucy in Dragon Cry also fought a guy who took Base Natsu hits and blown Natsu back as well

Anyways, Brandish would get skewered by the first set of thorns that Aldoron launched at Gajeel. I'm not talking about the wave of thicket that was aimed at the villagers. I'm talking about these. And sure, Brandish can heal fatal wounds inflicted on others by shrinking them. But if the wounds are done to her, like when Dimaria cut her up, then she goes down easily.

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Brandish can actually heal her own wounds no matter how deep they are. She didn't do it against the wound Dim inflicted on her bcs she was conflicted of her alliance.

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Anywho, you don't seem to care to debate Irene vs Grandeeney and only Aldo vs Irene while I only cared Grandeeney vs Irene comment, but don't care for Aldo vs Irene lol. Guess we can just call it quits bcs we both don't seem to care to discuss what the other actually wants to .

 

[Axiomus]

Nothing showed they took out the magic as you said they just damaged it enough to stop it from functioning.

It is faster as the strength of a meteor comes from mainly from it's speed and the speed the meteor was moving at before it entered the atmosphere along with it's weight would have cut through the atmosphere like butter. Jellal's isn't as fast nor as strong as Irene's meteor and has shown absolutely nothing to say his Sema in any way shape or form scales to Irene's. Irene didn't summon a meteor of any sort, but enchanted a meteorite from space and brought to Earthland at insane speeds through enchant. Jellal has shown nothing to say that is how is Sema works or that is Sema come from that far away either. It needs to be shown be feats of this to say it comes from deep space like Irene's. He doesn't scale to Irene's nor does he have feats of doing the same as Irene's therefore we can't scale his meteor beyond anything than a regular meteor.

PoF Erza's faster than Deus Sema and Irene is faster than PoF Erza. Dialogue is not a time frame. At worst it is assumed as cinematic timing and best it would be Erza straight up statueing the meteor lol. Either way Deus Sema is far above the Dragon's speed based off of calculations. The Dragons were also having dialogue in midst of their feat as well.

Irene enchanted two million targets and has shown to enchant from multiple planets away that shows she can enchant 3000 face across Ishgar lmao.

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There is nothing wanking about it when feats show this. She even stated her can enchant targets anywhere on Earth and even beyond Earth in my previous previous post scan. Irene didn't even try to stop Erza like at all and pretty much stood there the entire time even letting herself get slashed across the neck lol. Mashima just made her do absolutely nothing.

Bcs FH straight up negates FACE lol. He stated this in Alvarez and stated is reasoning for not using in Tartarus.

It was stated that he used his power indiscrimnately and targeted everything that he percieved as weakness. That is about as serious as Acno could get given his character lol. Also a massive boost in mp = massive boost in stats for Slayers so he would be physically stronger as well.

KOed? Nah, if he was KO then Igneel would have killed him right then and there lol. Winded was more like it. His mission to kill DS and fight Zeref aren't important? Why couldn't he? Acno didn't take Igneel seriously in that fight either. Zeref already stated this and it is confirmed that he wasn't as Acno already slaughtered Igneel in the past without any injuries. A weaker Igneel is not doing lasting damage unless Acno is jobbing lol. He still killed Igneel and didn't feel like cleaning uo the rest of the Dragons lol. He would have went back for Irene given the massive amount of emotion he showed just for her corpse lol.

Lol, the root of the discussion for me is Irene vs Grandeeney. I never said anything about Aldo just that Irene scales far past the parent Dragons (bar Igneel) by feats.

Yes, but Alvarez Natsu failed to go into any upper forms and his Igneel arm didn't even react to Animus' power either. Piercing dura is different from blunt dura. It is usually much easier to stab someone than it is to punch a whole through them. This because the mechanic behind stabbing and splitting the skin is much different than the mechanics behind a blunt force attack. Natsu has already shown that he needed to melt metal bladed attacks before it touched him in order to not be pierced by them. He doesn't have invulnerability to bladed attacks like a dragon.

Meant Taurus Lucy which I showed my reasoning in the scan. Gajeel could not smash through the Golem while Taurus Lucy did. That means Taurus Lucy has better striking than Gajeel. Gajeel is far more durable than he is powerful lol. He needed DF to kill Bloodman and I said she is stronger than his Base form. Lucy in Dragon Cry also fought a guy who took Base Natsu hits and blown Natsu back as well

Brandish can actually heal her own wounds no matter how deep they are. She didn't do it against the wound Dim inflicted on her bcs she was conflicted of her alliance.

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Anywho, you don't seem to care to debate Irene vs Grandeeney and only Aldo vs Irene while I only cared Grandeeney vs Irene comment, but don't care for Aldo vs Irene lol. Guess we can just call it quits bcs we both don't seem to care to discuss what the other actually wants to .

The very fact they stopped face's effects proves that they destroyed it's magic. Destroying the physical structure of face isn't enough to stop it's effects.

Sema is a meteor. It looks like Jellal is summoning a meteor. If you want to prove that Jellal is faking a meteor you gotta....well, prove it. Or at least explain why it makes more sense that Jellal is faking a meteor instead of it just being a meteor. Deus Sema is just very simply not a fast attack. Erza and Irene had multiple pages of dialogue while it was falling towards them, even when she was midair. Even if you think Erza's actual movement was fast, she's not talking fast lol. Could dues sema possibly be faster than Sema? Sure. Maybe by like a few seconds for an attack that takes around half a minute to actually land. So not in any way that matters.

She enchanted 1 million targets with the same spell, and she's enchanting fodders. There's a huge difference between enchanting an army of fodders grouped close together with one spell and blowing up several targets 3000 targets spread across the continent with 3000 separate attacks.

The fact that Makarov realized that using face was a bad idea later doesn't change the fact that he himself said that he was was too late the moment face activated. And you didn't respond to my point. Even if Fairy Heart could have negated face, that doesn't change the fact that the parent dragons operated at the level in which Makarov wanted a FH empowered guild to operate at.

Igneel wouldn't have killed Acnologia either way, because he was talking to Natsu. In fact, if Acnologia was just winded then Igneel probably would have ignored Natsu and just kept attacking Acnologia. The only reason Igneel stopped to have a conversation was because he thought he had already won. Acnologia didn't want to keep going because Igneel bit off his arm. It's really that simple. You want to say Acnologia didn't fight Igneel seriously? Then he didn't fight anyone in the series seriously. Surely you don't mean to imply that Acnologia took FT more seriously than Igneel. He left his body on autopilot because he felt like he wanted to give the dragon slayers a lecture on how great he was before he killed them.

If it doesn't trigger Dragon Force, an MP boost only boost a slayer's physical strength if they actually use that MP to boost their physical strength. Natsu with Igneel's MP had virtually the same physical strength as without. He just had better flames. Acnologia wasn't paying attention to most of the stuff going on around him. Not like he used all his strength to push against Erza and she drove him back.

Natsu had to dragonize half his body to beat Animus. Whatchu talking about? Natsu doesn't have to go into any of his higher forms to beat a Spriggan either. He beat enchanted Neinhart in base, and he's superior to Brandish. Natsu can block Gajeel's iron godsword with his arms. He can block attacks from sharp stuff fine.

Yeah, Brandish can shrink her own wounds. After she woke up from being taken out by Brandish. She still went down to Dimaria easily. It had nothing to do with her indecision. She just couldn't react to any of the attacks, and couldn't remain in fighting shape after taking those hits. Maybe if she moved first, she could have shrunk Dimaria before she stopped time....But that's irrelevant to a discussion about her ability to tank hits.

Like I said, Grandeeney should have more MP than Wendy and at least enough physical strength to be in Erza's ballpark. If separation enchantment wasn't a deciding factor against Erza and Wendy, then it's unlikely to be a deciding factor against Grandeeney. Even if Irene could beat Grandeeney, it would take serious effort. I don't agree that Grandeeney would be a fodder to Irene, but the main point here is that it's highly unlikely that separation enchantment is a deciding factor against Aldoron.

 

[Tirl]

Animus isn't on the level of the parent dragons, because he did not have the power to manifest a body by himself like they did

Where they did that? Parent Dragons died in a minute after they came out from slayers.
Also, Animus was going to die when he hid himself in Sonya and he wasnt healing there. While Parent Dragons were allright (they were ripped by Acno, but looked quite fine) before that and they still died right after coming out

 

[Axiomus]

Where they did that? Parent Dragons died in a minute after they came out from slayers.
Also, Animus was going to die when he hid himself in Sonya and he wasnt healing there. While Parent Dragons were allright (they were ripped by Acno, but looked quite fine) before that and they still died right after coming out

They were all going to die if they didn't seal themselves in dragon slayers. Animus lacks the ability to unseal himself to leave Sonya's body without dragon cry. The parent dragons just had to recover their powers by time travelling to a time where there was more ethernano in the air.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

I am laughing at people who actually voted for Irene and Brandish.

Aldoron destroys.

 

[WoWfan]

Irene and Brandish “may” take this considering that Gajeel with Brandish’s power could harm him sufficiantly.

 

[Vex_Haid]

The duo stomps, Irene solos, shes way to haxxed for aldoron

Brandish gets stomped tho unless Irene enchants her with DS magic then she has a chance

 

[Darklord#10]

Aldoron stomps. Add all s12 and aldoron stomps.

 

[Mimi0207]

This Brandish and Irene wank....

A sleeping Aldoron negs them 0 diff.

 

[Darklord#10]

Aldo-chan stomps both of them

 

[WoWfan]

Enough time has passed, Brandish and Irene should be able to takes this. destroying the Lacrima and repeatedly bringing down his body.

 

[Jko]

Irene and Brandish put this guy to sleep. Irene alone is more deadly and her magic and hax have both been to show work on a Full Powered DG despite being nerfed in both instances. Nothing is stopping her from transmuting Aldo or dropping the seeds at the same time and then dropping Aldo. Hell she can turn him into a giant Dragon Slaying bomb based off feats lol. Too many wincons for the girls. Giant Irene would also be far more OP than Giant Lucy and Giant Gajeel who were physically manhandling the Dragons.

 

[Darklord#10]

Aldoron low diffs. Clown ass take above me

 

[WoWfan]

Aldoron only extremely diffs and yes, they are physically powerful enough to harm DG level threats When amped up

 

[Darklord#10]

Another moron above me

 

[WoWfan]

The pot calling the kettle black

 

[Darklord#10]

@WoWfan has been a fool since before and nobody takes him seriously at all. He's literally delusional and he believes Lucy is star level. This guy used to believe dragon acnologia=Fh zeref