Games Mafia Game 86 - Magic: the Gathering - Planechase - END GAME

[Evil3ye]

by desin, panda and evil

Mechanic Design

Spoiler: Game Pitch

The idea was a mechanic that is part of the core Mafia Game and not just an optional addon that distracts from it. Therefore the mechanic was based on the amount of night actions happening per night, giving people agency as individuals as well as factions as a whole. For full transparency all possible effects would be visible to everyone from the start so there are no information imbalances. As for the effects of the mechanic we once again took a look at the core mechanics being night actions and voting.

Spoiler: Day/Night Effects

In regards to votes we chose "sticky votes" in the sense that every player has 2 locked votes to use. Thus giving every vote meaning and possibly undercutting any mafia last minute vote switcheroos. The intention was to give all three factions more options when it comes to voting ranging from voting your top two suspects as a town or using one vote on your mafia buddy to use later on as an alibi.

"Single vote" phase had a similar intention by putting more pressure on the day discussion and analysis beforehand to make a vote that counts while also leaving mafia less options for deniability for their votes.

"Double lynch" phase was supposed to be possible only very early in the game as it was only achievable with lot of active role uses. During the day town would be at a disadvantage due to it only being D2/D3 but still with a chance to get mafia. During the night in "double action" phase Mafia have a chance for two kills, however early on they would not have enough information to target valuable townies specifically. On the other hand townies had 2 nights for actions to gather information and get a surplus of info from very early on in the game thus speeding up the game. Investigative roles could possibly confirm their sanities and feed in lot of information for the following day discussion. Kill reducing roles had the same chance of stopping a kill just as in any normal night. This was supposed to help town get an information advantage early on by giving them the results of 3 nights by the beginning of D3/D4.

The chance of double kill is nevertheless alluring to mafia who would push for it but this would be balanced out by the automatic mechanic of the following night where the kill would have a 50% chance to fail. During the day the previous votes would be turned into penalty votes giving mafia a chance to manipulate the vote while also being at danger of paying for past suspicion.

Janitor kill was supposed to take information away from both parties opening the chance for mafia to claim a role that the investigator could find out thus catching mafia right there. The day lynch would be hidden as well thus as well only letting the investigator find out who it was while mafia does not know which role (if townie) was taken out and can’t plan around that.

As the game progresses the effects of the mechanic become less and less intrusive thus bringing endgame back to the basic game.

Assuming with almost certainty the game would start off accelerated early on with a double action night followed by a 50% failure chance to bring it back in pace, thus the assumption was D2 using mechanic 8-9 followed by mechanic 10+ which would then cut down actions to 3-6 and then staying in that realm until endgame and no mechanic interventions.

Role List/Faction Build

Spoiler: Game Mechanic Context

The main aspect of the game mechnic - number of the night roles used - was a key element in building the roles list. It was a balancing act of active and passive roles, as well as the timing of possible role uses. Majority of roles were added under the assumption they would start use at the beginning. As the game would progress further would be activated, to balance taken out roles. A number of maximum possible actions was defined and the rest would be filled out with passive roles. Naturally the Town as biggest faction would receive most of it and would have the biggest influence on the mechanic through cooperation. No day action except for one voting related roles were added to keep the focus on night actions.

Spoiler: Town build

The Intel Force
A third of the Town's setup would be the investigative roles, which could feed in new details from active player pool as well as beyond the grave. Due to the possible double night action scenario and resulting in possible information overflow the roles were added in a singlular amount. The Spy role with the potential to varify any night action, bundled with the by hosts confirmed amount of night actions, to make or break any claims made during the day phases. Spirit Medium, similar to the Spy would potentially make or break action claims. Insane Detective to potentially find Mafia/TP, although from 7 non-Townie roles only 4 were detectable, so the potential here was limited. Coupled with the Naive Traitor role this Detective would come "online" with the findings later than usual, as the sanities needed to be confirmed first. And upon death would also have the potential to seed dissesnt amoung the Mafia team to help unfail a TP member amongst them. Investigator was added for the possible Janitor'd night action scenario to unfail hidden roles.

The Protectors
An other third of the Town was designed to increase the durability and be able to reduce number of casualties in double action night scenario. Roles with this intend being used were Sane Doctor, Bodyguard, Prostitute and Jesus.

The Special Force
The two new role Necromancer and Banshee were added for observation as they both never had practical use before. Both seemed more on the situational end of usefulnes, but likewise had potential to be pivotal for a leap forward for their faction.

The Decoys
And lastly, two vanilla Townies were added to potentially attract Mafia's attention and tank a night hit instead of an other role for a possible Sleeper recruting in an early TP death scenario.

Spoiler: Mafia build

Mafia Setup
The Mafia was designed to have two actions per night, and therefore have the possibility in participating in the mechanics as well. For the second action besides the kill there were currently only two possible options available, which are Detective or Escort.

Settling on Mafia Escort as this role was more aligned with the mechanics in mind. Detective with a double action would scout the Town roles too quickly, giving full transparancy. The Apprentice as addition to sacrifice some flexibility in the beginning to be able to react flexibly on the situation at hand. The choices to go along were Strongman for a certain kill, a Bomb for an additional kill at lynch, and a Janitor for an information surplus. Poisoner to give flexibility in timing of kills. Mafia Boss in this setup was more a pro-Town faction choice to give Mafia the impression of higher Detectives presence.

Spoiler: Third Party build

Third Party Setup
With no killing ability, and with passive roles only, (with exception of Mafia member), Third Party was not given the possibility to participate in the mechanics. However, both non-Mafia members were given protection related roles to increase durability, one night protection in Threesome candidate as Bulletproof, one late game day protection role for the town Lover as Innocent Child with a D5 timed confirmation. This role with also start off with the Hot Potato with the same timing. The Mafia Noble role was assigned to the Lover to use it within the Mafia faction, as well as late game potential change to Third Party faction.

Gameplay Analysis

Spoiler: Night Actions

Spoiler: Mechanics Application

As the game kicked-off the analysis around the use of the mechanic started. Different strategies of using it to the best advantage were discussed and weighted off against each other. The dominanting strategy among the players with night roles and therefore influence on the mechanic agreed to be a conservative use of the night roles to not reach the treasholds of 7 to 9 role uses.

This resulted in only half of the night actions being used, successfully denying the "double action"/"janitored" day and night phases the following day and remained the in use throughout night 1 to night 3 as leading strategy from town's side as evident by (periodically) missing night actions from roles such as Doctor, Prostitute and Spirit Medium.

Only by night 4 confidence in night role use increased as the pool of players with night roles has declined enough to not reach the threasholds and stay in line with the initial strategy.

Spoiler: Faction Performance

Townie Faction
The lack of information from performed investigative night actions from the dominant mechanic strategy, and setup, led to analysis of players' behaviours, such as role claims. Those were weighted off against each other and analyzed against plausibility in setup. Behavioural patterns, such as voting as well as cooperativeness with the leading strategy became factors to decide the order of day lynches. More subtile patterns, such as timing of role hints, activity in total were picked up on as well, but were secondary as deemed to be non substantial enough. By end of D4 and four lynched townies in a row, the situation for town became unwinnable, however was not perceived as such, as the existence of third party was not discovered and thus disregarded, but giving a false sense of security through the bloated numbers. Inconsistancies in night role action claims against the confirmed night role action used by the mechanic came in as an additional analysis tool as well, however, already at a very late point in game, and too late to turn the tides.

Mafia Faction
Starting off very cautiously assessing the importance of the mechanic, almost no one participating actively in discussions throught the first day phase, or hinting the nature of a role, before going into first night discussions with the team to talk through and align a working strategy. Through following day phases the team succeeded in dodging day lynches in diverting the players to find someone more suspicious or inconsitant to lynch instead. The strategy to pass the Hot Potatoe secondary role to an investigative townie role and blocking it paid off greatly and was overlooked by the other players long enough to almost tie in numbers with remaining factions. The existance of third party, while couple of times mentioned in the internal brain stormings was not seriously enough considered to start looking into the potential candidates for it. The focus remained heavily on dismantling town, even at the point where it was not possible to lynch townies anymore. The end game strategy became working towards reaching a close enough number and win the game with the additional Noble vote, unaware of it belonging to third party as well.

Third Party Faction
With plenty players to go through Threesome candidate took six guesses to join the Lovers' party and their night discussions. The night protection role ensured survival of one mafia kill attempt, and the false claim by an other townie benefited and made him trusted enough to not be lynched. Mafia, while picking the apprenticed Strongman role chose a different target to use it on, making him literally dodge the bullet until making the mafia lover aware of his own existence shortly after. Similarly unaware of the identity of the candidate the lovers were trying to give hints about their own alignment, as discretely as possible to not expose themselves completely. Town lover although passing the potato stayed under the radar during day phases long enough to get day time benefits from the town role on D5. Mafia lover was from then on faced with a bigger challenge to keep the town counterpart alive, but, was trusted within the faction even while persuading to go for alternative options. During the day Mafia lover remained trusted by town also through incriminating mafia faction members, until only one was left and numbers allowed it to win with the votes.

Spoiler: New Roles Performance Review

Hot Potato played by @MarmaladeSky D1, @Holt D2, @sakura-aneki D3-D5 (killed D5)

The starting position of Hot Potato was given to a Town-aligned secondardy Third Party out of curiosity to see what they do with it. Through the exchange with the Mafia Lover it was quietly passed on to a Mafia player, to then decide within the team. Mafia team passed it on to role revealed Spy and going forward effectively blocked with the Mafia Escort the investigative role as well as the further passing in one action. Due to the novelty of this role and strategy and no indication of a Mafia Escort in the setup to that point Town did not identify this as highly benefitial Mafia strategy and held the passing Mafia Member accountable up until after the Hot Potato exploded.

In role design we categorized this role as a Priority 3 action to potentially block the movement. If this is going to remain a one-sided pro-Mafia strategy only, perhaps the categorization into Priority 3 need be reevalued again. I think this needs at least two or three games further test runs. In any case the movement of the Hot Potato is an important new information for the players to analyze.


Necromancer played by @Demonspeed (killed N4)

This role starts off basically very vanilla and with progressing game increasingly gains strength. All really depends not only on the Town setup, but also the order in which Townies died, thus bit on the harder side to plan around in game design as it could tilt the balance heavily pro-Town, or be completely useless. This situational usefulness of the role could lead to very unique outcomes and memorable moments, thus looking forward to see what our players will do with it in next games.


Banshee played by @SonOfDaws (lost D8)

Due to the longevity of the player this role could not show all aspects of its functunalities in this game, as the killing action was missing for a full review ( why didn't you die daws ;p). My impression was that similar to all other Townie killing roles it incentivises the player to analyze the player pool in selecting anti-Townie targets. We also drafted it as a Priority 3 action, both selecting and killing, which means it could be blocked. Player raised the question about feedback concerning his viable targets upon death, as he wouldnot know which actions have succeeded and which havenot. Perhaps this need further clarification.


Bulletproof Townie (Lover) by D6 previously (Threesome Candidate) played by @Gajeel (won D8)

Threesome Candidate as secondary role was the new addition in this game, and of course can be paired with a lot of roles on-going. This combination in particular is in the upper spectrum strength wise. Most combinations give this role a solid role claim thus increase the time the player can have to find the other members of the Third Party, thus victory becomes more achievable (as demonstrated in this game). No matter the primary role though, if one Lover dies in the first couple of phases this role has same slim chance as before to guess the remaining member.


Mafia Noble (Lover) played by @Lambu (won D8)

This role was added as a big nerf for the self-confirming Townie Noble. Perhaps also due to the fact that it was added just now the players would rather take it as self-confirming Mafia Noble, thus the Mafia team decided it is best to keep it as a last resort role in end game, when the numbers allow it to lynch a last Townie and win the game. I like to see some more bolder usage of the role in a few more test runs to see if it is versatile enough to allow different playstyles, or it will remain this last resort use. But either way I think it makes the previously drafted Mafia Robber obsolete and see its potential to move it to the chopping board and go on with Mafia Noble alone.

Spoiler: Conclusion/Learnings

The built game mechanic is right now the best tool to try out different cencepts in the meta and potentially explore new rules or addition of new roles. What we were most curious about was exploring different voting regulations, concept of collective vs individual choice to select varying night scenarios.

Voting concepts: From the three concepts it turned out to be the least impactful. This might or might not have been heavily influenced through the simultaneous introduction of new tie breaking rule, which turned out to shift the timing of the votes more towards the end. Implementation-wise, some inaccurate wordings led to different interpretations of intended concepts, that were unnoticed by us for some time, unfortunately resulting in some frustrations on the side. Generally the hope to observe some different strategies around the voting concepts werenot observable in the scope as hoped in development.

Collective and individual choice concept: Giving the individual players the option to participate in an overarching game mechanic strategy was the second incooperated concept. Players discussing it already on day one, strategizing around it and arguing for/against the respective positions was perceived by us as positively participative. In this format with night actions, not everyone was given the chance to actually influence it individually with their own actions. Changing that is something I might explore in a future game.

Varying night scenarios concept: Coupled with the previous concept of choices the varying night scenarios concept was a very risky endeavour, that was misjudged in game designing phase, thus in hindsight something I would not do again. The role list was build upon the possibilities of these varying night concepts actually occuring, some even in a particular order, which due to the free choices were not going as drafted at all. Lot of these concepts while being big part of the design were not used, thus best done in a set environment only.

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[gnut]

'd rather put it on our spH9Qi.gify to protect her rather than throw it to someone that we don't even know if he's mafia.

Had to reread this post couple times.....really?

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I'd rather put it on our spy to protect her rather than throw it to someone that we don't even know if he's mafia.

Sorry...hopefully this quote works...dont know why it was all messed up

 

[Copy Panda]

omo

 

[gnut]

Thank you, I missed I wouldn't say that confirms her as townie either.

Funny...cause how you gonna confirm anybody???

Cause bruv its day2 and most of us were restricted...it seems(lookingbat those who moved last nite)
Guess what that means....we are officially a day behind let it be everyone"pfft" was truthful

 

[Nie Li]

Funny...cause how you gonna confirm anybody???

Cause bruv its day2 and most of us were restricted...it seems(lookingbat those who moved last nite)
Guess what that means....we are officially a day behind let it be everyone"pfft" was truthful

I was only pointing out that I don't suspect her any less for having come out and say that. Sorry if I said something obvious.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Well that just leaves @SirSamuel016 why did you claim passive and still mentioned you didn't use a role?

My reasoning for being shady with my language regarding my role is because I didn't want to outright disclose the nature of it (passive) just yet as it's a handy role for town.

 

[gnut]

I was only pointing out that I don't suspect her any less for having come out and say that. Sorry if I said something obvious.

No need to be sorry.
Just pointing out that who could "be confirmed"at this point...you good

 

[Organizized]

For a Day 2 this one is quite frustrating because almost everyone is in that same grey area they were Day 1 to me.

I've had to try to keep up and then backread on my phone so I might have missed some things, but just some thoughts:

While I won't be voting for sakura, I don't like the way she fished for info from everyone by making it seem it would make a difference to her Spy results, and then drop the predictable "got no results". Constantly trying to establish who people suspect the most as well, suggestively asking "why aren't people voting for them then?". Yeah, it could very well just be a way of trying to be proactive Town player, but it still irked me. Still, like I said, won't vote her since she could possibly actually get us something solid to go on (and another long-shot of a reason I might bring up later depending on the situation).

Shad seems pro-Town to me, and if he's not then he does a great job being two-faced.
Inclined to believe in Gry as well, just based on his play style this time (seems genuinely bored and annoyed at the way it'a playing out- if he was Mafia he'd be more willing to let it happen, I think), and generally agreeing with him on most. Same with Lambu. But given the experience these two have it's possible I'm just too gullible for them.

Samuel is the closest to a slip-up we've gotten from all these active/passive claims. Hasn't contributed much besides answering the claim questions...

Erin being really inactive compared to how I'm used to seeing her. Little recapping, little asking hosts stuff, little clearing roles up, not much adding to discussion.. feels like trying to make it look like contributing while just coasting.

Marm really kinda same situation as Erin, with the added potato pass and seemingly playing unknowing of the general strategy that was discussed yesterday..

It's 3:30AM now that I finally get to type this out (so sorry if incoherent) so I'll vote now. I agree with Gry that at least one of the people who didn't claim until today should be Mafia.
Votekill SirSamuel as he's the one of them who's given me that vibe the most.
Votekill Moegara - Been getting weird vibe from him from D1, especially the way he locked his vote on GB right after questioning sakura for locking on Shad without proper proof, then say he voted lawl for being the troll that he is. This was right after Hardy expressed disbelief in lawl, too. Kinda felt like a calculated lock to start a bandwagon (after Gajeel already locked earlier). The interaction with Gry today was iffy as well. Not the strongest basis for a hunch, but I really don't have anything solid on anyone, so...

Sorry if this got overly long or incoherent, I'm half asleep at this point.. Night night.

 

[xnut]

To be quite honest Sakura coming out as spy as a desperate attempt to convince town she is "spy" just to focus someone who she has a hunch about over a reaching valid reason is a bit weird , GrySun claiming that spy role is irrelevant upon saying its an important role and having people come out as active or passive or even investigative period is really making me scratch my head in wonder. I don't really have a suspect list deeper then confusing contradicting statements considering that this day is also just as important as yesterday was other then us dwindling down to the (maybe) mafia active roles. I also really don't understand as to why a post count from 8 to 18 with several people on it are being used to single out vs people who are spamming irrelevant claims, I truly don't see any organization right now in posts and really have nothing to offer more then anyone else.

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I might go on a afk vote or maybe someone who insisted on Lawlett being out? Maybe hardy?

 

[GrySun]

Day ends at a rather inconvenient time for brazil, so I won‘t be there anymore. Do your vote/s responsibly.

Still wondering if I should do a 2nd one.

 

[xnut]

votekill Erinyes. simply for the fact of barely being on and others saying how usually active she is, and more of her saying she will keep an updated list. I will cast my 2nd vote later as everyone comes together on a decision.

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Day ends at a rather inconvenient time for brazil, so I won‘t be there anymore. Do your vote/s responsibly.

Still wondering if I should do a 2nd one.

Goodnight lol

 

[Erinyes]

I need to catch everything up but will cast my votes now in case i cant make it before the end of the days.

i have hard times trying to read people, i ve never played with Shad and Sakura, i dont know what to think about them, so far. i have the feeling gry is slightly different from usual. but he gives me towne vibes so far.
the biggest issue i have so far is with Sam saying he didnt used his role and then that he's passive.

Votekill sam

 

[Shad]

I really need you all to take this Potato passing around seriously, the best town play thanks to this World mechanic, if town get it first, is to not pass it and die with it, yet somehow it is being passed around and requested in plain sight and most people think it is normal, Holt if you think your role is not important please keep it tonight, give a chance to a doctor to be used, a doctor would threaten mafia so much, because they would have to guess if he is going for the spy or for a trusted townie, they would have to go for less efficient kills.

My thoughts on players that I think I have a good read on them this early in the game, as this is my second game, it mostly people from last game, also I'm only looking at players that posted a lot, I may end up voting for people from outside this list.

Lambu (9 / 10)

He has been participating since D1, discussed the pros and cons of the mechanics with good faith.
Has a clear list (1, 2) of suspect and people he trusts, I like his list a lot, matches mine.
Been partial to townies feud.
He is consistent until now.

Conclusion: Clean game until now.

GrySun (8 / 10)

He has been participating since D1, discussed the pros and cons of the mechanics with good faith.
Been partial to townies feud, knowing me and sakura are both new players, he could have taken advantage of that, to frame one of us.
He is consistent until now, some people disagree with this, without being able to show the issue with Gry D1 Arguments.
Pointed out multiple time that there is probably no mafia in D1 top voted list.
His play style is exactly the same as last game (Based on my limited experience)
He said spy is not as important as many people think, I agree with that, and I have even more reasons to think that it isn't.

Conclusion: If he is mafia I think we are all screwed.

Digitaldude (4 / 10)

90% OF HIS POSTS ARE 1 SENTENCE POSTS!!!!!
All his calls are surface level, he doesn't try to look deep into anything, just says the first obvious thing.
He called MarmaladeSky on passing the Potato to Holt, and proposed to take it from him, I still think this is suspicious, we agreed to not use our roles, yet somehow the potatoe is being gifted around like it fucking Christmas, in front of our eyes.
For some reason he wanted people to reveal if they used their Role in N1 (link, link) basically asking our spies and detectives to reveal themselves for mafia to kill, then used Sakura's reveal and trying to count if we have enough actives to get to +10 to keep gathering information, many people were apprehensive that this was a mafia attempts to gather information, but he specifically wasn't concerned by this possibility (link).
He then ignored Sakura's anti climatic reveal, and moved on with his life.

Conclusion: I don't trust him, and probably won't ever this game, unless his voting patterns are really strong.

Demonspeed (4 / 10)

He didn't say much in D1, when asked about his vote on Lawl he gave a non-answer (link), then gave an updated answer 2h later (link) , I willing to accept this for a D1 vote.
He was upset that some people used their actions, especially Potato passing.
Point out that mafia doesn't have escort if Spy wasn't killed. I think this is likely but not guaranteed, escort is still possible, I have some ideas how mafia could have used escort N1 but I don't want to give them ideas.
Has a list of suspect and people he trusts.

Conclusion: I want to believe him, but it hard.

Holt (4 / 10)
Discussed the mechanics a bit, his input was reasonable.
D1 Suspected Hardy and voted SirSamuel016 (link)
Was passed the Potato, this makes me want him to live, as he has a chance of being confirmed if MarmaladeSky is mafia.
Expressed his disappointment with Sakura's target (link, link)
Said he is known to not participate early game, I believe him because I was told the same last game by many other players.
Still doesn't feel confortable this game, and is voting SirSamuel016 again (link) His vote wasn't seen by the Host yet.

Conclusion: Out of all the people not participating as much, I prefer Holt, he has a slight chance of being confirmed and if he is town he can pressure mafia end game, especially since Mafia killed Hardy and I believe they will kill more good players in the next 2 days.

 

[Nie Li]

Votekill Moegara - Been getting weird vibe from him from D1, especially the way he locked his vote on GB right after questioning sakura for locking on Shad without proper proof, then say he voted lawl for being the troll that he is. This was right after Hardy expressed disbelief in lawl, too. Kinda felt like a calculated lock to start a bandwagon (after Gajeel already locked earlier). The interaction with Gry today was iffy as well. Not the strongest basis for a hunch, but I really don't have anything solid on anyone, so...

Guess I'm just weird.

You've already voted but since it's the first time I've been accused (I think?) I'll address it for the record.

Yesterday I had already casted a voted early on for reasons that have already been vastly discussed both yesterday and today. However, I didn't like the way GB was accusing xnut. While some people were silent and some others tried to form a collective strategy, GB just chose to take it on xnut and ask people to vote for him without providing a reason. That, plus what some others said about him having a history of trolling (I think I read something about getting a fellow mafia lynched in another game?) I just chose that if I was to vote "blindly" I may as well vote for him. I'd have preferred to lynch a mafia, but I prefer lynching an uncooperative fellow than a cooperative one, so I preferred the risk of being wrong on him than being wrong on Gry.

About the Gry thing, apparently only I and some other person find his behaviour strange, and some people are vouching hard for him, which is making me doubt. It'd be more precise to say that what I find weird are "his strategies for the specific rules of this game", rather than his "behaviour". Sadly, I don't know him well yet to compare to how he usually acts, nor the game itself for that matter, so I'm aware that my evaluation could be all over the place.




That being said, I'd also like to vote for two different people but I'm still unsure of who.

 

[Gajeel]

votekill Erinyes
Pretty much for the same reasons stated by others. Highly inactive, only gives updated lists, and keeps flying under the radar.

I won't be here for the end of the phase.

 

[Shad]

votekill Erinyes
Pretty much for the same reasons stated by others. Highly inactive, only gives updated lists, and keeps flying under the radar.

I won't be here for the end of the phase.

Will you use your second vote?

 

[Demonspeed]

I kinda want to vote Gry. But I'd feel kinda bad if I am wrong after what happened with lawl(I don't exactly regret voting him as I believe it was better to get him lynched instead of Sakura but still. Didn't like Marm's potato pass, but she revealing that she was the one who had it is indeed not something that you'd expect from a Mafia.

I will consider Gajeel, Shad and Moe Town for now. I think for this phase Mafia would prefer to hide and go with the flow, there is probably one of them among those who replied to Sakura first.

I don't like that double vote frrom Taku. He didn't post much but come here and prefer to use the special rules of the plane for no particular reason. Feels like a Mafia trying to maximize the chance of a Town lynch.

Demonspeed (4 / 10)

He didn't say much in D1, when asked about his vote on Lawl he gave a non-answer (link), then gave an updated answer 2h later (link) , I willing to accept this for a D1 vote.
He was upset that some people used their actions, especially Potato passing.
Point out that mafia doesn't have escort if Spy wasn't killed. I think this is likely but not guaranteed, escort is still possible, I have some ideas how mafia could have used escort N1 but I don't want to give them ideas.
Has a list of suspect and people he trusts.

Conclusion: I want to believe him, but it hard.

Non answer? It was between Lawl and Sakura to me, I chose the one I believed had the higher chances to be Mafia. Plus I know his playstyle can be very chaotic. The second post you linked isn't a clearer answer. It's normal not to trust anyone D1, it's just harder to trust some compared to others. When a veteran like Gry says that he trusted Lawl of all people D1 I can't understand it.

You don't want to give them ideas? I don't see why an Escort wouldn't use it on someone who claimed Spy but if you have something in mind it's better to post it. Unlike Town, Mafia know who is who.

 

[SirSamuel016]

the biggest issue i have so far is with Sam saying he didnt used his role and then that he's passive.

Votekill sam

You're all reading too much into me playing around. You can't use a role if it's passive so I decided to take that line with it.

I'll reveal my role if you really want me to clear myself, but doing so will probably just get the mafia trying to lynch me harder.

 

[Gajeel]

Will you use your second vote?

I don't think I'll use it today honestly. I won't be here for the last hours.

 

[Shad]

Demonspeed thanks for the clarifications!

You don't want to give them ideas? I don't see why an Escort wouldn't use it on someone who claimed Spy but if you have something in mind it's better to post it. Unlike Town, Mafia know who is who.

That not why, can't give more info, let put a pin on this until it becomes relevant.

I don't think I'll use it today honestly. I won't be here for the last hours.

May make your looks suspicious in my opinion, but up to you.

Good night gajeel

 

[Erinyes]

Will you use your second vote?

I dont know yet. i might use it if im back before the end of the day