Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ronin31]

It's not a significant matter on how a battle between Jellal and Kyoka would play out. It's that Jellal would just flat out beat Kyoka 10 times out of 10. x791 Jellal was a beast through his gmg feats, there's no dispelling that he's at the very least close to Jura's level. I'm pretty positive a Jura level character like Jellal would beat a high level 9 demon gate member from Tartaros mid-diff.

Sure. And in X792, he surely mid-diff Irene in same way.

Going into the Aldoron Arc, FDK Natsu/Jellal/Laxus were the top three. Gajeel/Gray/Erza/Mira next up after them. Natsu took on Gajeel, and they both stated that they was both serious. Up until that point, Natsu had FDK, Gajeel's full power was unknown. Majority of the fandom thought Natsu would FDK oneshot Gajeel to oblivion then move on, that didn't happen.
Gajeel Vs Natsu was a near-equal high diff fight. Natsu was low on MP whereas Gajeel was on his last legs. Natsu was pushed in a high-diff fight with Gajeel. That gave the implication that Gajeel is also on the FDK Natsu/Jellal/Laxus level. Natsu treated Gajeel as a serious foe the same way he took on Madmole/Mercphobia/Skullion/Kyria, etc.
It's hard to believe Natsu was holding back FDK against Gajeel when Natsu was pushed to being brutally damaged in their fight, then later in the arc Natsu lowkey spams FDK on every foe, on even weaker opponents than Gajeel.

I don't see Gajeel being OS by FDK punch but not too much more.
The difference between Gajeel and Mardmole ? Both strike as strong as Natsu as they punches rivaled. The gap if that Fire Punch is enough to hurt Gajeel's armor (see his bycicle kick at the beginning of the fight) while FDK punch won't on Mardmole's armor. Natsu needed FDK constant burn to bypass it. With such flames, I can see Gajeel dying. Mardmole is somehow an optimise Gajeel's character.

I don't even speak about Dragon Gods. Making analogy between Gajeel with people portraye as strong as Acnologia is laughable. Even at 50% powerhouse.

Gajeel close Natsu in same Mode : Base and LFD. Like Bejita close Goku in Dragon Ball Z in Base, SSJ1 and SSJ2. Natsu has a stronger form, FDK like Goku had a stronger form, SSJ3.

I'm referring to Full Power Gajeel and FDK Natsu being equals. Not all those extra power-ups, plot armor moments Natsu got in Alvarez.

So you agree for Natsu and not for Erza. They were in same way. In my mind, Gajeel is close to Natsu, like Jellal is close to Erza. You agree that Gajeel can't compete with PoF Natsu which rise his power to another level and you still think that Jellal is superior to PoF Erza wich rise her power to another level as well. As your statement, you really see Erza as a weakling, or Jellal to a Dragon God level.

August's statement after he saved Ajeel from Laxus's attack proves otherwise.

Assumptions are not necessary right. Like a friend said, if statements are unbreakable rules, then :
- Pandemonium can't be done in a seingle turn or a single wizard, even a wizard saint level. Erza never did it, right ?
- Spriggan are far too strong for any wizards of the Ishgar Continent. Alvarez Arc never exists, right ?
- Irene told Erza that no human can bypass a meteor and then slash through her Dragon Scales. Erza was crash by the meteor like a fly on a car driving on the autoroute ?
- Mavis stated that Grey and Laxus couldn't win against Rufus and Jura. Did they both lost ?

Many things can counter statements.... Still disagree ?

Laxus can be above Ajeel, no prob. Certainly not in one shot. Still, if Ajeel can grab him through Sand Wall, I can see Laxus fated in same way as Erza.

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Just no. Jellal damaging Acnologia, dodging a pointblank roar, sending Acno flying, and blocking an Acnologia's dragon slaying killing attack is a greater feat than enhanted Erza plot armor dragon slaying sword that clowned Irene, Erza had a slayer advantage along with the enchantment (DS vs Eclipse Arc Dragons + Irene's DS past shows that DS got an advantage on dragons). Acnologia (even before RoT) >>>>> Dragon Irene. Damaging/combating the strongest character in the series >> Erza and Wendy Vs Irene. Jellal also wouldn't have gotten punked by "Wendy Belserion."
Alvarez Jellal > Enchanted Erza > Regular Alvarez Erza.
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Like you said, "just no".

Acnologia was impressed by Irene and both of them weren't at 100%, to the point Acnologia asked her name. This is the only character, except Dragon Slayers, Acnologia had interest for, as Irene could hide her true nature. Sure Acnologia is stronger and she was aware of it as she used Universe one, but saying Acnologia >>>>> Irene is ridiculous. Do you place Irene to God Serena's level ?

You put Alvarez Jellal > Enchanted Erza ? The enchanted Erza who draw a crazy enhanced Laxus ? Or the enchanted Erza full PoF who bypass a far stronger Sema than Jellal's and stroke a Dragon with one valid arm ? Even without Wendy's support, her strength was so high, to the point she destroyed a meteor, I can't see Jellal surviving this.

In my point of view, climax PoF > Jellal. Enchanted Erza (100YQ) > Jellal.
Jellal is strong, I can see him close below classic current Laxus. Erza matched RL Laxus who OS a Spriggan and with all his stats enhanced since Alvarez. See the fight : "How much stronger did you become, Laxus ?" "How powerful ?" "Red Lightning, I didn't expected to be that strong".
This Laxus is at an another level than Alvarez. Erza tanked him. Currently, Jellal is below them.

Natsu also fought a weakened + humanoid body of God Seed Aldoron, not the complete dragon body. And Natsu wouldn't/couldn't have been able to inflict any kind of damage on Aldoron until Giant Gajeel started fighting Aldoron.

For this, we finally agree. Defeating Aldoron was a team up. Without being weakened by all other seed's defeat which below his stats, Natsu couldn't even see his attacks. He was doomed to fall. Giant Gajeel made him unconscious. It's a feat.

Neinhart overpowered Brandish later when he got enhanced + Jellal added better feats in the Alvarez Arc (Vs Acnologia).

Yes like people stayed on Erza's feat vs Ajeel, where she was far stronger at the end of her fight vs Irene. People can't see the difference between classic and PoF. The fact is that Erza could die to Ajeel's hand, like Jellal could die to Neinhart hand and Laxus could die to Walh Icht hand without Freed's learning spell.
And he wasn't still enhanced.

Jellal did well vs Acnologia. Erza did well on RoT Acnologia and Irene.

Jellal and Laxus have been portrayed to be like Erza/Mira, Natsu/Gajeel type equals from x791 to currently in the 100YQ.

Erza/Mira was when they were children. Not anymore.
Natsu/Gajeel was in X784. In X791, Rog stated that Gajeel was below Natsu and the gap grew after until now.
Jellal and Laxus ? Never seen rivalry. Only fans putted analogy because their strength and way to fight were relative in ToH and Fantasia.

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For the 100 Years Quest, here's how I rank everyone in terms of power (up to the current chapter 76):

1. Selene - with enhanced magic power + spiritual arts in Elentir, she'd logically be the strongest Dragon God
2. Ignia - Endgame boss
3. Aldoron - at full power, Natsu needed Giant Gajeel and the guild + Jellal to help out
4. Multi-Flame "Purgatory" Dragon Force Natsu - He beat Mercphobia with just Ignia's flames, now he's incorporated Igneel's and Atlas Flame's power as well
5. 50% Mercphobia - Dragon God at half-strength, self-explanatory
6. Faris - she basically soloed the guild + Jellal
7. Fire Dragon King Mode Natsu - he got the vibe that he the strongest dude when Gildarts is not around
8. Full Power Gajeel - Mashima did state Natsu and Gajeel are pretty much equal, and their latest fight is lowkey justifiable.
9. Jellal - he's always shown to be a level above Erza, no retcon has been currently shown
10. God Seed Gears - before Jellal clapped him , Jellal was shown losing lowkey badly beforehand
11. Red Lightning Laxus - he was the slight victor in his battle with Erza
12. Dual Ice & Fire Swords Erza - she fought evenly with Red Lightning Laxus
13. Iron Shadow Dragon Mode Gajeel - if you believe Natsu was actually holding back despite Natsu himself saying he was low and he took the fight seriously, then you can continue being a circus host
14. Hakune - she oneshotted Base Natsu (Mid Spriggan level) and Base Gray (S-Class to low Wizard Saint level)
15. Satan Soul Mirajane / Skullion - they was equal in a stalemate
16. Devil Slayer Gray
17. Brandish - she's above current Base Natsu/Base Gajeel level
18. Youko - she could be higher if you believe she's be above Yokai Erza
19. Snake Lucy - She clapped Base Natsu
20. Nebaru / 1% Irene Form Wendy
21. Madmole / Elfman - both stalemated
22. Kyria
23. Mimi
24. Old Makarov
25. Wraith (Original Power) - he stated crippled Makarov was stronger than him
26. God Seed Metro
27. God Seed Wolfen
28. Full Power Lisanna
29. Cana - Fairy Glitter OP
30. Juvia
31. Freed
32. Bickslow / Evergreen
33. Panther Lily
34. Max
35. God Seed Doom

For the list, in my point of vue, Fire Dragon King Natsu and Jellal are a little overestimate. "Full Power Gajeel" didn't exist : ISD is currently his willing strongest form and this one is also overestimate by some mergin.

Mimi, Youko and Hakune are greatly underestimate. As jobbing, they destroyed all the team. Need to see the rematch but we haven't seen their climax. They were so far above the team, that they were thinking they were weak. Seeing them at 23, 18 and 14, I can't understand as they are the current new ennemies and seems stronger than God Seeds. Mardmole is also underestimate : his defense is clearly higher than Gajeel's with great mergin and his strength is around the same.

 

[sharkai]

More physical strength or mp doesn't translate to being harder to knock someone on there ass. Not unless they're actively trying to resist it.
Natsu could floor Mard or Hades
Sting can floor Larcade
Lucy can floor Jacob
Jellal can floor human Acno and push dragon Acno, Christina can do the same, as can Erza

No matter how much MP or strength you have, whether it's God/Acno tier or literally infinite, you can always be knocked over by anyone capable of physically moving your weight. The only time that changes is when you're actively using your power to prevent yourself from being knocked over.

Giant Gajeel is harder to knock over than RoT Acno purely due to his size.

Maybe. But we normally don't see that.
You think elfmen is harder to floor compared to human aconologia
You think its easier to floor that God thing in avatar arc or aconologia

 

[Axiomus]

No matter how much MP or strength you have, whether it's God/Acno tier or literally infinite, you can always be knocked over by anyone capable of physically moving your weight. The only time that changes is when you're actively using your power to prevent yourself from being knocked over.

Giant Gajeel is harder to knock over than RoT Acno purely due to his size.

This. This. This. People are confusing power with weight.

MCU Hulk has a canon weight of 800lbs. Anything that can move 800lbs can move the Hulk when he's not exerting strength. The leviathan in Avengers 1 has a canon weight of 3 million tons. Hulk can stop the Leviathan mid charge when he exerts strength with a punch.

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that doesnt make sense.
all we know that he was stronger, that is all.
i mean where would he exert, he got hit with a pretty strong force.
that attack would blast normal aconologia or igneel the same, but with more momentum

mp normally always translate to more physical strength. springgan created this doubt. before that if you are stronger that means you have more mp and physical strength.
wahl aint gonna over power august in physical brawl
Toh DF natsu had more magical power as well as more physical power than jellal.
and i think nienhart can causally manhandle jura, even though that might not make sense

It makes perfect sense. Even if ROT Acnologia is stronger, in order that difference to actually matter, Acnologia would need to be using attacks that exceed the limits of what his regular strength can achieve. Acnologia has enough physical strength to shred Igneel's body with his charge. Unless you're arguing that he was exerting that amount of force when Erza's attack smacked him, and that Erza's attack can overpower an attack that can shred Igneel, then she simply did not overpower Acnologia using his full strength. She's simply moving Acnologia's mass.

Eating Etherion was said to be comparable to eating all of Laxus' power by Erza, and Natsu said that eating Jellal's power was similar to eating etherion too. Natsu literally had Jellal's MP when he fought Zero, but he was far stronger physically than Jellal. Why? Because dragon force is magic that involves transforming your body into that of a dragon.

MP doesn't always translate into more physical strength. In fact, we see characters with the same level of MP have different levels of physical strength all the time, and not just with the Spriggans.

 

[Dimitri1220]

Natsu's attack blasted a hole through the back of Aldoron's dragon body.

Giant Gajeel had no effect on the outcome of Natsu and Aldoron's fight. All the seeds were already destroyed and Gajeel didn't do any significantly damage to the dragon body, so he didn't leave Aldoron in a weaker state. At best it helped Natsu land one punch on the seed, but that punch barely did anything. Everything that happened afterwards would have happened anyways.

I'd say Giant Gajeel had a really big effect on Aldoron. Natsu couldn't even land a hit on Aldo until Gajeel was there to help him, remove Gajeel and Natsu probably couldn't have hit him until he went dragon force.

 

[Axiomus]

I'd say Giant Gajeel had a really big effect on Aldoron. Natsu couldn't even land a hit on Aldo until Gajeel was there to help him, remove Gajeel and Natsu probably couldn't have hit him until he went dragon force.

Sure. But that wouldn't change the outcome of the fight. Natsu landed like one hit before Aldoron impaled him with thicket and he went into DF.

 

[mangaempire29]

Jellal and Laxus being rivals is even less supported than Sting and Natsu being rivals lol.

I'm referring to Jellal/Laxus as an equal-like level match-up that used to be a heavy debate similar to FDK Natsu Vs Gildarts, Post-Tartaros Gajeel Vs Post-Tartaros Gray, and Erza Vs Natsu. Jellal vs Laxus aren't traditional rivals, they're just complimentary adversaries that portrayed to be equal post x784. A simple, who would win? Jellal or Laxus type portrayal.

Natsu's attack blasted a hole through the back of Aldoron's dragon body.

Giant Gajeel had no effect on the outcome of Natsu and Aldoron's fight. All the seeds were already destroyed and Gajeel didn't do any significantly damage to the dragon body, so he didn't leave Aldoron in a weaker state. At best it helped Natsu land one punch on the seed, but that punch barely did anything. Everything that happened afterwards would have happened anyways.

Gajeel ragdolled Aldoron for a good portion of the fight, lowkey two thirds of the battle looked like it was in Gajeel's favor. Aldoron won through the giant spike and moderately damaging Gajeel with his thicket of arms. Gajeel was also heavily handicapped, he was battle damaged, weakened, only used physical attacks, was in base form, he also had protect the FT a few times and Brandish's time limit gave Gajeel severe limitations, yet Giant Gajeel still rocked Aldoron for a good portion of the fight.
Natsu was stronger, but Gajeel deserves severe credit for doing what he did against Aldoron.

arent all these speed feats.
aconologia against jellal was playing.
ROT aconologia wasnt. that why everyone was screaming their heads off.

irene vs erza + wendy
august vs jellal + CS
showed us clearly
that erza>>jellal

and the brute strength erza showed by blasting rot aconologia across the town is only below natsu feats.

Stop the cap. Other than Natsu, Gildarts was the top man in portrayal and his performance against God Serena and August. Jellal losing to August only meant that Gildarts > Jellal, he outperformed Jellal's guild in his August battle. Irene toyed with Erza and Wendy the whole time, until she revealed her past. Irene in Wendy's weakened body stomped Erza. Jellal fought Acnologia much better than Erza did Irene.
RoT Acnologia was blasting everything in a rampage, he was chasing exceeds while his consciousness was toying with the 7 dragon slayers. RoT Dragon Acnologia was a near-mindless dragon going berserk out of corruption. Jellal blocked and dodged attacks from Acnologia that God Serena (a Gildarts level character) couldn't even react to.

Sure. And in X792, he surely mid-diff Irene in same way.

No idea where that conclusion came from, but whatever keeps you satisfied I guess.

I don't see Gajeel being OS by FDK punch but not too much more.
The difference between Gajeel and Mardmole ? Both strike as strong as Natsu as they punches rivaled. The gap if that Fire Punch is enough to hurt Gajeel's armor (see his bycicle kick at the beginning of the fight) while FDK punch won't on Mardmole's armor. Natsu needed FDK constant burn to bypass it. With such flames, I can see Gajeel dying. Mardmole is somehow an optimise Gajeel's character.

I don't even speak about Dragon Gods. Making analogy between Gajeel with people portraye as strong as Acnologia is laughable. Even at 50% powerhouse.

Gajeel close Natsu in same Mode : Base and LFD. Like Bejita close Goku in Dragon Ball Z in Base, SSJ1 and SSJ2. Natsu has a stronger form, FDK like Goku had a stronger form, SSJ3.

Gajeel >> Madmole. Madmole is just tanky with his armor, his pure strength/magic power only matches up to Base Natsu level and Elfman. Ion care if you disagree with Gajeel's placement, I still ranked ISD Gajeel at 13 if you think Natsu Vs Gajeel was like SSJ2 Goku Vs Majin Vegeta. Hiro's statement proves that Gajeel is FDK level. And Natsu not using/holding back FDK against him still sounds like cap. Conclusion: FDK Natsu, Red Lightning Laxus, Jellal, Dual Swords Erza, and Full Power Gajeel are all on the same level/tier of strength.

Assumptions are not necessary right. Like a friend said, if statements are unbreakable rules, then :
- Pandemonium can't be done in a seingle turn or a single wizard, even a wizard saint level. Erza never did it, right ?
- Spriggan are far too strong for any wizards of the Ishgar Continent. Alvarez Arc never exists, right ?
- Irene told Erza that no human can bypass a meteor and then slash through her Dragon Scales. Erza was crash by the meteor like a fly on a car driving on the autoroute ?
- Mavis stated that Grey and Laxus couldn't win against Rufus and Jura. Did they both lost ?

Many things can counter statements.... Still disagree ?

Laxus can be above Ajeel, no prob. Certainly not in one shot. Still, if Ajeel can grab him through Sand Wall, I can see Laxus fated in same way as Erza.

I simply trust the Wizard/Magic King August's word on Ajeel being a goner from Laxus's attack. August's reputation, status, power, and knowledge on magic is a credible source to justify his statement on Ajeel. Regardless of belief, conclusion: Laxus would've had a much easier time fighting Ajeel than Erza did. Evidence: one attack from Laxus had Ajeel sweating for his life.

So you agree for Natsu and not for Erza. They were in same way. In my mind, Gajeel is close to Natsu, like Jellal is close to Erza. You agree that Gajeel can't compete with PoF Natsu which rise his power to another level and you still think that Jellal is superior to PoF Erza wich rise her power to another level as well. As your statement, you really see Erza as a weakling, or Jellal to a Dragon God level.

You're overexaggerating + overestimating what I said for Erza. She's insanely strong, but pre-100YQ, she was not on Laxus/Jellal/DF Natsu level. She was on LFD Natsu/ISD Gajeel/Sitri Mira level in x791. In x792, Erza was on DF Gajeel/Base Laxus/DeS Gray/WSD Sting level. Above most Spriggans in pure magic power/strength, but below the Irene/August/Gildarts/RL Laxus/God Serena/Jellal level.
Your conclusion with Erza doesn't correlate to my previous reply.

You put Alvarez Jellal > Enchanted Erza ? The enchanted Erza who draw a crazy enhanced Laxus ? Or the enchanted Erza full PoF who bypass a far stronger Sema than Jellal's and stroke a Dragon with one valid arm ? Even without Wendy's support, her strength was so high, to the point she destroyed a meteor, I can't see Jellal surviving this.

Alvarez Jellal > Enhanted Erza from the Irene fight > regualar Alvarez Erza (Ajeel/Neinhart fight). Jellal survived an encounter with Acnologia, I think Jellal would put up a better fight against Irene considering that even Zeref expected Jellal to be a valid challenger against him.

For the list, in my point of vue, Fire Dragon King Natsu and Jellal are a little overestimate. "Full Power Gajeel" didn't exist : ISD is currently his willing strongest form and this one is also overestimate by some mergin.

Mimi, Youko and Hakune are greatly underestimate. As jobbing, they destroyed all the team. Need to see the rematch but we haven't seen their climax. They were so far above the team, that they were thinking they were weak. Seeing them at 23, 18 and 14, I can't understand as they are the current new ennemies and seems stronger than God Seeds. Mardmole is also underestimate : his defense is clearly higher than Gajeel's with great mergin and his strength is around the same.

I ranked Selene's moonlight beauty gods on what level of Team Natsu they defeated.
Mimi stomped Lucy, but Lucy didn't use her mixed star dress combo.
Youko stomped Erza and Wendy, but Wendy didn't use DF or Irene and Erza didn't use Belserion, her dual slayer swords, or even her strongest 'go-to' armor.
Hakune stomped Base Natsu and Base Gray, self-explanatory on which forms that weren't displayed in that battle.
Their full power and best feats are yet to be shown, likelihood they'll be higher in the future.
Madmole only matched Elfman at the end of the day, who someone like Gray doesn't even see as a serious threat. Madmole's MP/strength only scales to Base Natsu, his armor only makes him a tank.
Ranks 7-13 is interchangable, FDK Natsu/Jellal/RL Laxus/Dual swords Erza/Gears/FP or ISD Gajeel ranks can be changed around, regardless they all on the same level/power/tier.

 

[Axiomus]

Gajeel ragdolled Aldoron for a good portion of the fight, lowkey two thirds of the battle looked like it was in Gajeel's favor. Aldoron won through the giant spike and moderately damaging Gajeel with his thicket of arms. Gajeel was also heavily handicapped, he was battle damaged, weakened, only used physical attacks, was in base form, he also had protect the FT a few times and Brandish's time limit gave Gajeel severe limitations, yet Giant Gajeel still rocked Aldoron for a good portion of the fight.
Natsu was stronger, but Gajeel deserves severe credit for doing what he did against Aldoron.

They fought for less than 3 minutes. It ended with Aldoron stabbing a hole through Gajeel, which would have killed Gajeel if not for Brandish shrinking him back down. Aldoron didn't receive any lasting injuries and wasn't really weakened. This was a mid-diff win for Aldoron at most. Aldoron was nerfed too because all his seeds were destroyed, but I digress. My point is that we can compare the damage Natsu's attack did to Aldoron with what giant Gajeel did to get an idea of the gap between Natsu and Gajeel.

 

[Seven777]

Maybe. But we normally don't see that.
You think elfmen is harder to floor compared to human aconologia
You think its easier to floor that God thing in avatar arc or aconologia

We kinda do. It literally happens all the time. Base Natsu could knock over Hades back in the day, yet got no sold by Gajeel, why? Because Gajeel was resisting the hit. And in Acnologia's case it's even more apparent because everyone and their mother knocks him over. Jellal, Erza, Christina, it's a common thing.

As for Elfman and Ikusa, yes to both, provided Acnologia is not resisting. If Christina crashed into Ikusatsunagi, Christina would obviously get blown into smithereens, Ikusa probably wouldn't even flinch from the hit. Acno on the other hand get's knocked on his ass.

 

[Ronin31]

No idea where that conclusion came from, but whatever keeps you satisfied I guess.

Because in X791, Kyoka ragdolled Erza in same way Irene did in X792. But Jellal was so stronger than her.

Gajeel >> Madmole. Madmole is just tanky with his armor, his pure strength/magic power only matches up to Base Natsu level and Elfman. Ion care if you disagree with Gajeel's placement, I still ranked ISD Gajeel at 13 if you think Natsu Vs Gajeel was like SSJ2 Goku Vs Majin Vegeta. Hiro's statement proves that Gajeel is FDK level. And Natsu not using/holding back FDK against him still sounds like cap. Conclusion: FDK Natsu, Red Lightning Laxus, Jellal, Dual Swords Erza, and Full Power Gajeel are all on the same level/tier of strength.

Gajeel >> Mardmole ? No I don't think so. His strength is same as Natsu, like Gajeel's strength is same as Natsu. Both strength are the same. But both are armored. One with Iron who can't tank Fire classic punch without being hurt and one who can tank Fire Dragon King Punch without even a scratch.

For Natsu and Gajeel, I was refering to SSJ2 Goku and Bejita SSJ2, not the majin who was enhanced to fight equally with him. I put Bejita close below Goku in same mode like I put Gajeel close below to Natsu in same mode.
Mashima's statement putting Natsu and Gajeel in same level ? Yes, their strength are around but depend on the mode use.

I know you don't care of my statement and I am not disputing. Only talking.

You're overexaggerating + overestimating what I said for Erza. She's insanely strong, but pre-100YQ, she was not on Laxus/Jellal/DF Natsu level. She was on LFD Natsu/ISD Gajeel/Sitri Mira level in x791. In x792, Erza was on DF Gajeel/Base Laxus/DeS Gray/WSD Sting level. Above most Spriggans in pure magic power/strength, but below the Irene/August/Gildarts/RL Laxus/God Serena/Jellal level.
Your conclusion with Erza doesn't correlate to my previous reply.

Depend on which Erza we are talking about. She's like Natsu and their power level rise on different levels. But seeing her at Mirajane Sitri who was destroyed by Seiha while Erza took down Kyoka + residual Seilha + stats enhanced per seconds and Erza's durability weakened per seconds as well is outrageous.

Even in X792, she was stronger than you thought. She stopped both END and Devil Force Gray in their critical all out attack before facing Irene. And her power level rised again at the end of the fight potentially matching Irene's for seconds.

We agree on the fact that she is insanely strong. But you have to understand the difference between a confused Erza (her low level) vs 100YQ Jellal, a focused Erza like vs RL Laxus in round 2 and PoF Erza like the finish vs Irene. She's the same as Natsu as character.

Alvarez Jellal > Enhanted Erza from the Irene fight > regualar Alvarez Erza (Ajeel/Neinhart fight). Jellal survived an encounter with Acnologia, I think Jellal would put up a better fight against Irene considering that even Zeref expected Jellal to be a valid challenger against him.

How can Jellal resist Irene ? He has less stamina than Erza.
Zeref was mocking Gray like many people underestimate him as well. Without Natsu's intervention, Zeref couldn't face Gray's lost Iced Shell. He was ready to give his life to save Natsu, neutralising Zeref without trying to kill him. As immortal, Gray can't. But if he could, he didn't try because Natsu's life was in the balance. Could Zeref counter the spell ? Gray's ultimate spell, with his life, was certainly above all what Jellal should do facing Zeref.

As you said, Erza did hard time facing Wendy Belserion. It was not about strength even if Wendy was perhaps stronger, but about bounds. Wendy is Erza's pupil, she took her in the Guild. She's like her little sister or her child. How can she stroke her ?
For Jellal, facing Wendy is surely diffrent. But replace Wendy by Erza as a vassal and Jellal should react same as Erza.

I ranked Selene's moonlight beauty gods on what level of Team Natsu they defeated.
Mimi stomped Lucy, but Lucy didn't use her mixed star dress combo.
Youko stomped Erza and Wendy, but Wendy didn't use DF or Irene and Erza didn't use Belserion, her dual slayer swords, or even her strongest 'go-to' armor.
Hakune stomped Base Natsu and Base Gray, self-explanatory on which forms that weren't displayed in that battle.
Their full power and best feats are yet to be shown, likelihood they'll be higher in the future.
Madmole only matched Elfman at the end of the day, who someone like Gray doesn't even see as a serious threat. Madmole's MP/strength only scales to Base Natsu, his armor only makes him a tank.
Ranks 7-13 is interchangable, FDK Natsu/Jellal/RL Laxus/Dual swords Erza/Gears/FP or ISD Gajeel ranks can be changed around, regardless they all on the same level/power/tier.

So you put Erza without Belserion below 18 if I understand well ? You put Brandish, Mirajane and Gajeel above her ? and perhaps Snake Lucy ?

I agree that we can't still establish a rank with the Priestesses. They were joking and we haven't seen their full powers. But as they were low powers, and the FT's team in their base so, low powers, Priestesses are portraye currently to be above.

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'm referring to Jellal/Laxus as an equal-like level match-up that used to be a heavy debate similar to FDK Natsu Vs Gildarts, Post-Tartaros Gajeel Vs Post-Tartaros Gray, and Erza Vs Natsu. Jellal vs Laxus aren't traditional rivals, they're just complimentary adversaries that portrayed to be equal post x784. A simple, who would win? Jellal or Laxus type portrayal.

I can agree for the heavy dabate about Jellal and Laxus along the story.

So you put FDK Natsu around Gildarts and Base Natsu around Erza ?
As you put Gajeel on par with Natsu FDK, you put Gajeel around Gildarts ?

You clearly overestimate Gajeel and underestimate Erza. I think you can interchange these two.

 

[sharkai]

This. This. This. People are confusing power with weight.

MCU Hulk has a canon weight of 800lbs. Anything that can move 800lbs can move the Hulk when he's not exerting strength. The leviathan in Avengers 1 has a canon weight of 3 million tons. Hulk can stop the Leviathan mid charge when he exerts strength with a punch.

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It makes perfect sense. Even if ROT Acnologia is stronger, in order that difference to actually matter, Acnologia would need to be using attacks that exceed the limits of what his regular strength can achieve. Acnologia has enough physical strength to shred Igneel's body with his charge. Unless you're arguing that he was exerting that amount of force when Erza's attack smacked him, and that Erza's attack can overpower an attack that can shred Igneel, then she simply did not overpower Acnologia using his full strength. She's simply moving Acnologia's mass.

Eating Etherion was said to be comparable to eating all of Laxus' power by Erza, and Natsu said that eating Jellal's power was similar to eating etherion too. Natsu literally had Jellal's MP when he fought Zero, but he was far stronger physically than Jellal. Why? Because dragon force is magic that involves transforming your body into that of a dragon.

MP doesn't always translate into more physical strength. In fact, we see characters with the same level of MP have different levels of physical strength all the time, and not just with the Spriggans.

Exerting strength doesn't actually work like that. You shouldn't bring physics here, you won't like where it will go

Question, why weren't everyone moving aconologia mass when he was approaching magnolia

Have we? When? Was there a huge difference shown

When have we seen

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We kinda do. It literally happens all the time. Base Natsu could knock over Hades back in the day, yet got no sold by Gajeel, why? Because Gajeel was resisting the hit. And in Acnologia's case it's even more apparent because everyone and their mother knocks him over. Jellal, Erza, Christina, it's a common thing.

As for Elfman and Ikusa, yes to both, provided Acnologia is not resisting. If Christina crashed into Ikusatsunagi, Christina would obviously get blown into smithereens, Ikusa probably wouldn't even flinch from the hit. Acno on the other hand get's knocked on his ass.

I dont remember base natsu knocking hades over.

I really find it hard to believe that one can mobe Aconologia more easily than elfman in any scenario

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Stop the cap. Other than Natsu, Gildarts was the top man in portrayal and his performance against God Serena and August. Jellal losing to August only meant that Gildarts > Jellal, he outperformed Jellal's guild in his August battle. Irene toyed with Erza and Wendy the whole time, until she revealed her past. Irene in Wendy's weakened body stomped Erza. Jellal fought Acnologia much better than Erza did Irene.
RoT Acnologia was blasting everything in a rampage, he was chasing exceeds while his consciousness was toying with the 7 dragon slayers. RoT Dragon Acnologia was a near-mindless dragon going berserk out of corruption. Jellal blocked and dodged attacks from Acnologia that God Serena (a Gildarts level character) couldn't even react to.

What.
I dont remember gildarts overpowering august. I dont even know why august lost that fight. Irene, if you remember was august equal.
August extreme low diffed jellal and cs
While his equal
Got nearly wrecked by erza and wendy

So how does that portrayal works exactly

please tell me one move jellal did which was above erza dues sema slash or erza blasting rot aconologia across town attack (because i dont remember anything, not from jellal or gildarts)


So you are saying since rot aconologia was behaving like mindless animal, it was weak. You reckon a tiger or shark is weak basically.

God Serena isn't gildarts level. He is at max wahl, ajeel level.

 

[Seven777]

I dont remember base natsu knocking hades over.

I really find it hard to believe that one can mobe Aconologia more easily than elfman in any scenario

He does it with a wing attack. Sting does it to Mard Geer too. Like I said, no matter how much power you have, you can always be knocked over, always, as long as they have the strength to move your weight. Only time that doesn't happen is when you use your power to resist it.
Now not everyone has the level of strength needed to move a big dragon like Acno, fodder like Orga or whatever don't for example. But Erza? Yes. Jellal? Yes. Christina? Yes. Makarov? Yes. So while sinking him is an impressive feat of physical power, it is in the end just a Jellal tier feat, or even a Christina/Makarov tier feat.

So you actually think Christina would knock over Ikusatsunagi lol? No, it would break into pieces upon collision without Ikusa even noticing.

 

[Axiomus]

Exerting strength doesn't actually work like that. You shouldn't bring physics here, you won't like where it will go

Question, why weren't everyone moving aconologia mass when he was approaching magnolia

Have we? When? Was there a huge difference shown

When have we seen

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I dont remember base natsu knocking hades over.

I really find it hard to believe that one can mobe Aconologia more easily than elfman in any scenario

Yes, that is how exerting strength works. I weigh 180lbs. Anyone that can move 180lbs can tackle me if I'm stationary and relaxed. If I throw a back kick, I am effectively generating over 800lbs of force. This force will move a 250lbs heavybag if I connect with it.

Many reasons. One, because Acnologia can just eat their magic attacks. You need to have an attack involving physical objects for him to not just eat it. Two, because not everyone is strong enough to do it. It basically takes Jellal and Erza going all out to generate enough force to do it. Three, and this is probably the main reason, because it wouldn't actually accomplish much. Remember, Erza's attack didnt actually do any damage to Acnologia. Her swords broke upon his scales. If not for the boat incurring motion sickness, Acnologia would have just gotten back up. They'd just exhaust themselves wasting their strength.

You tell me. Do you believe that Acnologia was exerting the same amount of strength he exerted when he shredded Igneel? And do you believe that Erza can shred Igneel? If the answer to either of these is no, then Erza simply didn't overpower Acnologia at full strength.

 

[mangaempire29]

They fought for less than 3 minutes. It ended with Aldoron stabbing a hole through Gajeel, which would have killed Gajeel if not for Brandish shrinking him back down. Aldoron didn't receive any lasting injuries and wasn't really weakened. This was a mid-diff win for Aldoron at most. Aldoron was nerfed too because all his seeds were destroyed, but I digress. My point is that we can compare the damage Natsu's attack did to Aldoron with what giant Gajeel did to get an idea of the gap between Natsu and Gajeel.

Fight was 3 minutes because of Brandish's time limit. Reread chapter 60, Gajeel ragdolled Aldoron, he slammed Aldoron hard enough to cause an earthquake, that happened. Aldoron took control when he used thicket of arms, Gajeel still fought well considering he was weakened severely prior to his gigantification.

Because in X791, Kyoka ragdolled Erza in same way Irene did in X792. But Jellal was so stronger than her.

Final victor in Erza Vs Kyoka: Erza. Top tier characters in x791 are also beating Kyoka (ex. Devil Slayer Gray, Silver, DF/LFD Natsu, Gildarts, Laxus, Jellal, Steel/ISD Gajeel, Jura, Gods of Ishgar).
Jellal ain't beating Irene, but 1v1 he'd put up a way better fight than Erza and Wendy did, but looking at his Acnologia feats.

Gajeel >> Mardmole ? No I don't think so. His strength is same as Natsu, like Gajeel's strength is same as Natsu. Both strength are the same. But both are armored. One with Iron who can't tank Fire classic punch without being hurt and one who can tank Fire Dragon King Punch without even a scratch.

For Natsu and Gajeel, I was refering to SSJ2 Goku and Bejita SSJ2, not the majin who was enhanced to fight equally with him. I put Bejita close below Goku in same mode like I put Gajeel close below to Natsu in same mode.
Mashima's statement putting Natsu and Gajeel in same level ? Yes, their strength are around but depend on the mode use.

I know you don't care of my statement and I am not disputing. Only talking.

Gajeel beats Madmole, stop the cap. Wraith said that Base Natsu and Madmole are on the same level. Elfman matched him. Gajeel nearly matched Natsu, gave him a high-diff fight. Madmole's raw strength/magic power is only on Base Natsu level, feats and statements proved that. His tanky armor makes him a hard and durable threat, but like I said prior, Elfman held his own and stalemated him.

Mashima gave no indication on Natsu and Gajeel being equal by form-to-form. Mashima just flat out said they was equal man. He also referenced their recent rematch in the 100YQ prior to statement, he knew the outcome of their second fight. Mashima's whole event where he made the statement took place during the exposition of the Aldoron Arc, prior to Elentir. FDK Natsu and Gajeel's max strength are equal according to the series' creator, at minimum they on the same level.

If you take the Natsu Vs Gajeel II as similar to Buu Arc SSJ2 Goku Vs Buu Arc SSJ2 Vegeta, then take it as ou see fit. That ISD Gajeel is ranked at 13 regardless. Mashima's statement changes the result of the fight, he said Natsu and Gajeel were equal either way.

Depend on which Erza we are talking about. She's like Natsu and their power level rise on different levels. But seeing her at Mirajane Sitri who was destroyed by Seiha while Erza took down Kyoka + residual Seilha + stats enhanced per seconds and Erza's durability weakened per seconds as well is outrageous

DF Natsu >> Tartaros Arc Erza > Boosted Kyoka > Seilah > Sitri Mira

And her power level rised again at the end of the fight potentially matching Irene's for seconds.

We agree on the fact that she is insanely strong. But you have to understand the difference between a confused Erza (her low level) vs 100YQ Jellal, a focused Erza like vs RL Laxus in round 2 and PoF Erza like the finish vs Irene. She's the same as Natsu as character.

Fairy Tail is a battle anime, most FT members get stronger after each fight, it's called improving through experience. Erza and Natsu gets more emotional/PoF power boosts than the majority of the characters.
Natsu is the main prrotagonist, Erza is a main character, they're not the same. One beat FH Zeref and 50% Mercphobia, the other rivals Laxus.
I simply see it as this: FDK Natsu, Full Power Gajeel, Jellal, RL Laxus, and Dual Slayer Swords Erza are all on the same level regardless.

How can Jellal resist Irene ? He has less stamina than Erza.

You can have more power, but less stamina. This case goes for Jellal. X792 Jellal was stronger than x792 Erza, however Erza was in more Spriggan battles. Ex. Natsu and Gray against Mard Geer, Natsu and Gajeel against Laxus, etc.

Zeref was mocking Gray like many people underestimate him as well.

Gray legit walked into the guild hall and confronts Zeref. Zeref legits states he expected to see Jellal or Laxus, he was disappointed in having Gray as an opponent instead of Jellal or Laxus, Zeref knew the current state of the war and all the Spriggan battles that happened. He's just stating that Laxus and Jellal are stronger than Gray. It's not that complicated.

Without Natsu's intervention, Zeref couldn't face Gray's lost Iced Shell. He was ready to give his life to save Natsu, neutralising Zeref without trying to kill him. As immortal, Gray can't. But if he could, he didn't try because Natsu's life was in the balance. Could Zeref counter the spell ? Gray's ultimate spell, with his life, was certainly above all what Jellal should do facing Zeref.

Lost Iced Shell is a double edge sword that ultimately gives Gray the L. Zeref would've thawed out at the end, where as Gray would've melted away out of existence. Lost Iced Shell is a last resort technique similar Blaze Dragon King Mode Natsu with Igneel's flames. From knowledge from the original Fairy Tail manga series run, both techniques were one-time forms that would've gave the user the L ultimately at the end.

As you said, Erza did hard time facing Wendy Belserion. It was not about strength even if Wendy was perhaps stronger, but about bounds. Wendy is Erza's pupil, she took her in the Guild. She's like her little sister or her child. How can she stroke her ?
For Jellal, facing Wendy is surely diffrent. But replace Wendy by Erza as a vassal and Jellal should react same as Erza.

Erza could barely defend herself against Wendy Belserion. Jellal would've evaded her attacks while trying to talk her back into sense.

So you put Erza without Belserion below 18 if I understand well ? You put Brandish, Mirajane and Gajeel above her ? and perhaps Snake Lucy ?

Erza has multiple forms my guy: "Casual Erza" (standard armor sets, basically her feats against Kyria) it'd be ranked a little above Kyria, "Strong Armor Erza" (when main "armor" throughout the series) it'd be ranked above Elfman/Madmole. Belserion Erza would be above Base Laxus. And Ice and Fire Erza is where I ranked her at.

I can agree for the heavy dabate about Jellal and Laxus along the story.

So you put FDK Natsu around Gildarts and Base Natsu around Erza ?
As you put Gajeel on par with Natsu FDK, you put Gajeel around Gildarts ?

You clearly overestimate Gajeel and underestimate Erza. I think you can interchange these two.

DF Natsu (vs Aldoron) > Gildarts > FDK Natsu >= FP Gajeel >=< Jellal >=< Dual Slayer Swords Erza >=< RL Laxus
Base Natsu/Base Gajeel is below Snake Lucy and Youko, above the rest.

What.
I dont remember gildarts overpowering august. I dont even know why august lost that fight. Irene, if you remember was august equal.

Never said that, Gildarts was fighting a losing battle against August. Gildarts did better 2v1 against August than Jellal did 4v1. Gildarts's and Jellal's feats against August just meant that August > Gildarts > Jellal.

August extreme low diffed jellal and cs

That battle was mostly off-screened. The finale was shown with August stomping them.

While his equal
Got nearly wrecked by erza and wendy

August > Irene, no debate there.

God Serena isn't gildarts level. He is at max wahl, ajeel level.

Cap. Gildarts stated God Serena in his prime would've been a strong opponent/challenger for Gildarts, meaning they was on the same level. God Serena at full power most likely would've been mid-diff to high-diff by Gildarts.

 

[Axiomus]

Fight was 3 minutes because of Brandish's time limit. Reread chapter 60, Gajeel ragdolled Aldoron, he slammed Aldoron hard enough to cause an earthquake, that happened. Aldoron took control when he used thicket of arms, Gajeel still fought well considering he was weakened severely prior to his gigantification.

The fight ended because Aldoron's spike impaled Gajeel. The time limit was what saved Gajeel. If he didnt get shrunk back down, he would have just died there.

Gajeel landed a few punches on Aldoron, and Aldoron blasted a hole in Gajeel's stomache. The fight lasted around 3 minutes.

 

[Ronin31]

Final victor in Erza Vs Kyoka: Erza. Top tier characters in x791 are also beating Kyoka (ex. Devil Slayer Gray, Silver, DF/LFD Natsu, Gildarts, Laxus, Jellal, Steel/ISD Gajeel, Jura, Gods of Ishgar).
Jellal ain't beating Irene, but 1v1 he'd put up a way better fight than Erza and Wendy did, but looking at his Acnologia feats.

We can agree to disagree. I stop speaking about Erza and Jellal.

Gajeel beats Madmole, stop the cap. Wraith said that Base Natsu and Madmole are on the same level. Elfman matched him. Gajeel nearly matched Natsu, gave him a high-diff fight. Madmole's raw strength/magic power is only on Base Natsu level, feats and statements proved that. His tanky armor makes him a hard and durable threat, but like I said prior, Elfman held his own and stalemated him.

I show you pictures from the Manga about Gajeel, Natsu and Mardmole's strength. Punches are equals and the vaccum seems around the same.

It's Karyu no Tekken. In both situation, Natsu is going all out in his classic attack to a draw.

In strength, Mardmole, Natsu and Gajeel are equals to Natsu's max Base Mode.

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Here I show you pictures from Manga about Gajeel's durability armor and Mardmole's durability armor. That show the gap between theses two like characters : Gajeel is hurt by Karyu no Kagizume // Mardmole tanked Natsu's FDK Punch without a scratch.

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Here, I show you the pictures of the Manga about the vaccum to differents Fire Punches's Natsu's level :
- the first 1 on above center is the vaccum's result to Natsu and Gajeel's combined punches.
- the second 1 on the left is Natsu's FDK punch alone against Aldoron's body. The vaccum is massively above the previous combine one.
- the third 1 on the right is Natsu's Purgatory DF Ougi killing Aldoron God Seed.

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So, Gajeel countered a all out Tekken in strength like Marmole did. But Mardmole's armor is on another level. Mardmole is sort of optimised Gajeel's like.

Elfman only tanked him. His strength can be on par with Natsu and Gajeel as he grew far stronger since Arbaless (Leo's statement) and his durability seems very high as he tanked Lucy's spell (Mix) same as Mirajane. Still, Elfman broke his hand same as Natsu on Mardmole's armor. Mirajane and Elfman tanked for long but they were fated to loose : Elfman can't hurt Mardmole / Mirajane can't touch Skullion. They resist well, and perhaps MP's Diabolos reserve were close to be empty so Skullion stopped the fight (his allies were all defeated or nearly, so chose to get out as FT's members were stronger than expected) but like Mirajane stated, not sure they were about to win this. Surely not. Strauss siblings can't ko them in damage, only expect to resist until they fall before them due to MP's reserve. But in the final, the siblings seemed far more tired than Diabolos were and Mirajane's stamina is not her speciality.

 

[mangaempire29]

The fight ended because Aldoron's spike impaled Gajeel. The time limit was what saved Gajeel. If he didnt get shrunk back down, he would have just died there.

Gajeel landed a few punches on Aldoron, and Aldoron blasted a hole in Gajeel's stomache. The fight lasted around 3 minutes.

Gajeel rocked Aldoron for the majority of their fight, and Aldoron is shown with visible damage. He even held off a good portion of his 'Thicket of Arms'. You're talking like Gajeel got stomped. Aldoron overall beat him, Gajeel still put up a good fight, Natsu outperformed him. Conclusion: FP Aldoron > Multi-Flame DF Natsu > Giant Gajeel, all of them are still moderately around the same level in power.

We can agree to disagree. I stop speaking about Erza and Jellal.

I show you pictures form the Manga about Gajeel, Natsu and Mardmole's strength. Punches are equals and the vaccum seems around the same.

It's Karyu no Tekken. In both situation, Natsu is going all out in his classic attack to a draw.

In strength, Mardmole, Natsu and Gajeel are equals to Natsu's max Base Mode.

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Here I show you pictures form Manga about Gajeel's durability armor and Mardmole's durability armor. That show the gap between theses two like characters : Gajeel is hurt by Karuy no Kagizume // Mardmole tanked Natsu's FDK Punch without a scratch.

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Here, I show you the pictures of the Manga about the vaccum to differents Fire Punches's Natsu's level :
- the first 1 on above center is the vaccum's result to Natsu and Gajeel's combined punches.
- the second 1 on the left is Natsu's FDK punch alone against Aldoron's body. The vaccum is massively above the previous combine one.
- the third 1 on the right is Natsu's Purgatory DF Ougi killing Aldoron God Seed.

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So, Gajeel countered a all out Tekken in strength like Marmole did. But Mardmole's armor is on another level. Mardmole is sort of optimised Gajeel's like.

Elfman only tanked him. His strength can be on par with Natsu and Gajeel as he grew far stronger since Arbaless (Leo's statement) and his durability seems very high as he tanked Lucy's spell (Mix) same as Mirajane. Still, Elfman broke his hand same as Natsu on Mardmole's armor. Mirajane and Elfman tanked for long but they were fated to loose : Elfman can't hurt Mardmole / Mirajane can't touch Skullion. They resist well, and perhaps MP's Diabolos reserve were close to be empty so Skullion stopped the fight (his allies were all defeated or nearly, so chose to get out as FT's members were stronger than expected) but like Mirajane stated, not sure they were about to win this. Surely not. Strauss siblings can't ko them in damage, only expect to resist until they fall before them due to MP's reserve. But in the final, the siblings seemed far more tired than Diabolos were and Mirajane's stamina is not her speciality.

Here's Wraith stating that Base Natsu and Madmole are equal levels of power:

Here's the climax of Madmole & Skullion Vs Elfman & Mirajane:

Their battle was looking pretty even, no side had an advantage here, Elfman is fighting well against Madmole and Mira looks to be holding her own against Skullion.
And here is the result of their battle, each side acknowledged the other's strength, they both left stalemated, an even result:

Saying Madmole is stronger than Gajeel is straight cap. Madmole's true strength is equal to Elfman and BSS Mira equals Skullion.
The top tiers going into BoFT2 were Jellal, Laxus, Gajeel, and Mira. Those four were stated by Team Natsu to be the main monsters, levels above the rest, including Elfman.
Base Natsu/Base Gajeel > Madmole = Elfman.

And thinking Erza beats Jellal because of her Kyoka fight was your mistake my guy. Jellal was in a good position to beat Jura, the 5th Rank Wizard Saint.
x791 Wizard Saint level > 9 Demon Gates of Tartaros, it's common sense.

 

[Ramen]

Gajeel isn't stronger than BSS Mira

 

[Ronin31]

Here's Wraith stating that Base Natsu and Madmole are equal levels of power:

That picture is a corellation of what I said. Natsu's strength rivaled Mardmole (I show you the picture of the Fire Punch and Mardmole's Punch). Gajeel and Natsu did the same (See the picture again).

Base Natsu/Base Gajeel > Madmole = Elfman.

Natsu needed FDK Purgatory to bypass his armor as his brutal spells won't work (FDK punch) on it. You think in Base, Natsu or Gajeel can put him down ?
Ok. No problem.

Saying Madmole is stronger than Gajeel is straight cap. Madmole's true strength is equal to Elfman and BSS Mira equals Skullion.

Elfman rised to an another level. Look at Leo's statements during their encounter. Elfman is not a fodder.
I don't think Base Natsu or Base Gajeel are on Mirajane's level.

And thinking Erza beats Jellal because of her Kyoka fight was your mistake my guy. Jellal was in a good position to beat Jura, the 5th Rank Wizard Saint.
x791 Wizard Saint level > 9 Demon Gates of Tartaros, it's common sense.

I am not "your guy", I talk to you with respect. Do the same, please.

For Jellal, it was only because of Sema and I agree he was in position to win.

Kyoka can make him fall with her curse and stroke his 5 senses to the void when he is ready to conjure Sema. Kyoka's curse can obliterate her foe, even the strongest to incapacitate them to fight or defend.

It's not about rank here, but about capacities. Erza was X791 Saint level : she was already in X784 by ToH statement. She was ragdolled by Kyoka, a low diff battle until she awake due to PoF.

In X792, as for Jellal, you think he is stronger than Erza, even at her climax PoF. She destroyed Deus Sema (optimised or enhanced version of Jellal's ougi who was about to defeat Jura) with a broken body and was able to deal a fatal blow. So she can bypass his strongest spell and Jellal is not a Dragon, Erza didn't need Wendy's DS enchant to give a lethal blow to a wizard's body.

x791 Wizard Saint level > 9 Demon Gates of Tartaros, it's common sense.

It's not common sense : 9 Demons Gates are not Wizards, they don't even use Magic. But some of them are already as strong as Wizard Saint level.
I can put Kyoka here, Silver here and Mard Geer of course.

I think we can agree to disagree. I am only talking and I dislike disrespect so I stop.

 

[Axiomus]

Gajeel rocked Aldoron for the majority of their fight, and Aldoron is shown with visible damage. He even held off a good portion of his 'Thicket of Arms'. You're talking like Gajeel got stomped. Aldoron overall beat him, Gajeel still put up a good fight, Natsu outperformed him. Conclusion: FP Aldoron > Multi-Flame DF Natsu > Giant Gajeel, all of them are still moderately around the same level in power.

The most I would give this is mid-diff for Aldoron, and that's probably being generous. A stomp probably wouldn't be inaccurate tbh.

The reason Gajeel looked like he was performing well for the "majority" of the fight was because Aldoron defeated him in 3 minutes. If you look at the first 3 minutes of Igneel and Acnologia's fight, it would look like Igneel was winning too. But Igneel and Acnologia had to fight for over 20 minutes to figure out who was actually stronger. If Gajeel and Aldoron fought for 20 minutes, most of it would just be Aldoron beating on Gajeel's corpse.

Think of it this way: 3 minutes is about as long as 1 round of boxing. If someone punched a hole in my gut after 1 round, I got owned. It doesn't matter if I think I did pretty well by landing shots throughout the whole round. Not if the other guy is still in good enough condition to drop other guys as good as me after going through me, which Aldoron was after fighting Gajeel.

And I really can't see the visible damage to Aldoron. He looked in just as good of a shape before the fight as after it.

 

[mangaempire29]

Gajeel isn't stronger than BSS Mira

FDK Natsu ≈ FP Gajeel (Hiro Mashima statement) > LFD Natsu ≈ ISD Gajeel > BSS Mira > Base Natsu ≈ Base Gajeel.
BSS Mira will have an extreme hard time to tag ISD Gajeel with his shadow intangibility along with the major power increase from base to dual forms presents.

Going from prior knowledge in the original series, DF > Algeria > ISD > Sitri > BSS. There's been no indication in the 100YQ that BSS is stronger than the dual forms. Gajeel giving Natsu a high-diff fight is a greater feat than stalemating Skullion.

That picture is a corellation of what I said. Natsu's strength rivaled Mardmole (I show you the picture of the Fire Punch and Mardmole's Punch). Gajeel and Natsu did the same (See the picture again).

When Natsu clashed with Madmole on the ship, he weakened from previous damage + motion sickness, their clash was still resulted on an equal playing field.
Conclusion: Base Natsu, Base Gajeel, Elfman, and Madmole are all on the same level.

Natsu needed FDK Purgatory to bypass his armor as his brutal spells won't work (FDK punch) on it. You think in Base, Natsu or Gajeel can put him down ?
Ok. No problem.

So Elfman is FDK level now? Despite many statements saying that Gajeel, Laxus, Mira, and Jellal are stronger than him to the point where Gray doesn't even view nor mention Elfman nor Madmole as a high level threat?
In terms of pure strength and magic power, Madmole matches Elfman level, and he was stated to be on Base Natsu's level.

Elfman rised to an another level. Look at Leo's statements during their encounter. Elfman is not a fodder.
I don't think Base Natsu or Base Gajeel are on Mirajane's level.

Elfman has always been underrated in the FT power scale, he beat Bacchus (stated to be prologue Erza level by Erza herself), sneak-slammed Seilah, and beat Ajeel prior to the 100YQ. Leo ain't on Elfman's level, his skirmish made him realized Elfman was lowkey a monster himself.

BSS Mirajane > Base Natsu/Base Gajeel. Any another form from Natsu/Gajeel beats BSS until Mira uses a stronger form. Mira's best feat is her Skullion feat at BSS.

For Jellal, it was only because of Sema and I agree he was in position to win.

Kyoka can make him fall with her curse and stroke his 5 senses to the void when he is ready to conjure Sema. Kyoka's curse can obliterate her foe, even the strongest to incapacitate them to fight or defend.

It's not about rank here, but about capacities. Erza was X791 Saint level : she was already in X784 by ToH statement. She was ragdolled by Kyoka, a low diff battle until she awake due to PoF.

In x791, Laxus beat Jura. Jellal fought well against Jura and he was in a better position to beat Jura more times than Jura had on Jellal.
Jura/Laxus/Jellal would've had a much easier time beating Kyoka than Erza did simply because those three are portrayed to be severe top tiers in x791.
DF Natsu and Tartaros DeS Gray are also top tiers in x791. Steel/ISD Gajeel and Erza are top tiers as well, just not on that top tier high level in x791.

In x791, it'd be:

1. x791 Gildarts
2. DF Natsu / Tartaros DeS Gray (Devil Slayer Advantage)
3. Jellal / Laxus
4. Jura
5. Steel Gajeel
6. Erza
7. Sitri Mirajane

Ranks 1-6 beats most members of Tartaros (aside from Silver and Mard Geer)

In X792, as for Jellal, you think he is stronger than Erza, even at her climax PoF. She destroyed Deus Sema (optimised or enhanced version of Jellal's ougi who was about to defeat Jura) with a broken body and was able to deal a fatal blow. So she can bypass his strongest spell and Jellal is not a Dragon, Erza didn't need Wendy's DS enchant to give a lethal blow to a wizard's body.

Erza had a DS advantage when Wendy enchanted her sword. Acnologia still stomps Dragon Irene to oblivion. Jellal fought Acno well whereas Erza was stuck playing support in Cristina.

It's not common sense : 9 Demons Gates are not Wizards, they don't even use Magic. But some of them are already as strong as Wizard Saint level.
I can put Kyoka here, Silver here and Mard Geer of course.

I think we can agree to disagree. I am only talking and I dislike disrespect so I stop.

Through feats, most x791 wizard saint level characters would beat a 9 Demon Gate member from Tartaros, ranging from a mid-diff to high-diff fight depending on the character.

The most I would give this is mid-diff for Aldoron, and that's probably being generous. A stomp probably wouldn't be inaccurate tbh.

The reason Gajeel looked like he was performing well for the "majority" of the fight was because Aldoron defeated him in 3 minutes. If you look at the first 3 minutes of Igneel and Acnologia's fight, it would look like Igneel was winning too. But Igneel and Acnologia had to fight for over 20 minutes to figure out who was actually stronger. If Gajeel and Aldoron fought for 20 minutes, most of it would just be Aldoron beating on Gajeel's corpse.

Think of it this way: 3 minutes is about as long as 1 round of boxing. If someone punched a hole in my gut after 1 round, I got owned. It doesn't matter if I think I did pretty well by landing shots throughout the whole round. Not if the other guy is still in good enough condition to drop other guys as good as me after going through me, which Aldoron was after fighting Gajeel.

And I really can't see the visible damage to Aldoron. He looked in just as good of a shape before the fight as after it.

My point was saying Giant Gajeel wasn't a pushover to Aldoron. Natsu beat Aldoron and Gajeel did not.
Conclusion: Multi-Flame DF Natsu > Giant Gajeel, the consensual agreement.