Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Biri Biri]

10. God Seed Gears - before Jellal clapped him , Jellal was shown losing lowkey badly beforehand
11. Red Lightning Laxus - he was the slight victor in his battle with Erza

On a serious note though. Gears at 10th is ridiculous.

Given the torment he gave to Jellal, the guy deserves to be higher.

 

[Ratrace]

On a serious note though. Gears at 10th is ridiculous.

Given the torment he gave to Jellal, the guy deserves to be higher.

Only did that much damage to Jellal because of his time magic. So I think he should be lower

 

[MangerDan]

Wonder where Faris will be with the next chapter.

 

[GL_Nova]

For the 100 Years Quest, here's how I rank everyone in terms of power (up to the current chapter 76):

1. Selene - with enhanced magic power + spiritual arts in Elentir, she'd logically be the strongest Dragon God
2. Ignia - Endgame boss
3. Aldoron - at full power, Natsu needed Giant Gajeel and the guild + Jellal to help out
4. Multi-Flame "Purgatory" Dragon Force Natsu - He beat Mercphobia with just Ignia's flames, now he's incorporated Igneel's and Atlas Flame's power as well
5. 50% Mercphobia - Dragon God at half-strength, self-explanatory
6. Faris - she basically soloed the guild + Jellal
7. Fire Dragon King Mode Natsu - he got the vibe that he the strongest dude when Gildarts is not around
8. Full Power Gajeel - Mashima did state Natsu and Gajeel are pretty much equal, and their latest fight is lowkey justifiable.
9. Jellal - he's always shown to be a level above Erza, no retcon has been currently shown
10. God Seed Gears - before Jellal clapped him , Jellal was shown losing lowkey badly beforehand
11. Red Lightning Laxus - he was the slight victor in his battle with Erza
12. Dual Ice & Fire Swords Erza - she fought evenly with Red Lightning Laxus
13. Iron Shadow Dragon Mode Gajeel - if you believe Natsu was actually holding back despite Natsu himself saying he was low and he took the fight seriously, then you can continue being a circus host
14. Hakune - she oneshotted Base Natsu (Mid Spriggan level) and Base Gray (S-Class to low Wizard Saint level)
15. Satan Soul Mirajane / Skullion - they was equal in a stalemate
16. Devil Slayer Gray
17. Brandish - she's above current Base Natsu/Base Gajeel level
18. Youko - she could be higher if you believe she's be above Yokai Erza
19. Snake Lucy - She clapped Base Natsu
20. Nebaru / 1% Irene Form Wendy
21. Madmole / Elfman - both stalemated
22. Kyria
23. Mimi
24. Old Makarov
25. Wraith (Original Power) - he stated crippled Makarov was stronger than him
26. God Seed Metro
27. God Seed Wolfen
28. Full Power Lisanna
29. Cana - Fairy Glitter OP
30. Juvia
31. Freed
32. Bickslow / Evergreen
33. Panther Lily
34. Max
35. God Seed Doom

I got to Gajeel and immediately had to discount the rest. No

 

[Jko]

I got to Gajeel and immediately had to discount the rest. No

Same

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Do y'all think Gray can freeze Irene and keep her frozen.

Context:

CV is wilding again. Now Irene can be frozen by Gray and Invel since she hasn't shown resistance to ice. Same Gray who couldn't freeze Kiria, Skullion, Ajeel, and BSS Mira lmao.

 

[mangaempire29]

just curious, when was jellal shown to be a level above erza?

Just a brief summary on Jellal Vs Erza in feats:

x784:
Jellal became a wizard saint with half power (Seigrain as wizard saint alias, Jellal manipulated by darkness undergound). He also beat Erza mid/low diff.

x791:
Jura was stated to be at x784 Gildarts level. Mira stated that she and Erza in a tag-team wouldn't have been able to beat Jura, then here comes Jellal under "Mystogan" who could've nearly oneshotted him with Sema before Ultear took control.

x792:
Erza legit turned into Ajeel's counter and she was still in position where she was about to killed by him. Laxus would've oneshotted Ajeel without August's interference. Jellal oneshotted Neinhart. And Jellal's feats against Acnologia blows Alvarez Erza above the water.

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I got to Gajeel and immediately had to discount the rest. No

Hiro Mashima stated Natsu and Gajeel are equals. Full Power Gajeel pushed Full Power Natsu to a high-diff fight. Full Power Natsu at this point in FT 100 Years Quest is stronger than Laxus, Jellal, Erza, etc. and Gajeel nearly matched him in the Aldoron Arc. What's the issue?

 

[Ronin31]

Just a brief summary on Jellal Vs Erza in feats:

x784:
Jellal became a wizard saint with half power (Seigrain as wizard saint alias, Jellal manipulated by darkness undergound). He also beat Erza mid/low diff.

x791:
Jura was stated to be at x784 Gildarts level. Mira stated that she and Erza in a tag-team wouldn't have been able to beat Jura, then here comes Jellal under "Mystogan" who could've nearly oneshotted him with Sema before Ultear took control.

x792:
Erza legit turned into Ajeel's counter and she was still in position where she was about to killed by him. Laxus would've oneshotted Ajeel without August's interference. Jellal oneshotted Neinhart. And Jellal's feats against Acnologia blows Alvarez Erza above the water.

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Hiro Mashima stated Natsu and Gajeel are equals. Full Power Gajeel pushed Full Power Natsu to a high-diff fight. Full Power Natsu at this point in FT 100 Years Quest is stronger than Laxus, Jellal, Erza, etc. and Gajeel nearly matched him in the Aldoron Arc. What's the issue?

I disagree about all of this.

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x784:
Jellal became a wizard saint with half power (Seigrain as wizard saint alias, Jellal manipulated by darkness undergound). He also beat Erza mid/low diff.

All Fairy Tail's S-Class period were strong enough to be Wizard saint : Erza, Laxus and Mystogan. But they were unpredictable, they didn't have the discipline to be rank by the Council.
When Jellal was 50% strength (without Siegrain), he was put down by a clearly weakened Erza (I think herself as 50%) after her fight vs Ikaruga.

x791:
Jura was stated to be at x784 Gildarts level. Mira stated that she and Erza in a tag-team wouldn't have been able to beat Jura, then here comes Jellal under "Mystogan" who could've nearly oneshotted him with Sema before Ultear took control.

Statement about Erza pre Second Origin. In this period, Jellal mid-diff Orascion Seis while Erza beat Kyoka who absorb Seilha's remaining strength and with rise stats per seconds with durability weaken the same time.

x792:
Erza legit turned into Ajeel's counter and she was still in position where she was about to killed by him. Laxus would've oneshotted Ajeel without August's interference. Jellal oneshotted Neinhart. And Jellal's feats against Acnologia blows Alvarez Erza above the water.

Only August assumption, like Ultear did thinking Lyon could be out with Natsu's roar on the island. Then Lyon rivaled Natsu in 1vs 1.

Jellal one shotted Neinhart with anger. Himself was previously one shot by same Neinhart.

Erza's Arbaless's feats vs Irene blew Jellal's feats on Alvaress, where he was one shot by August, an opponent as strong as Irene.
Jellal pushed back Acnologia for a while. Erza forced him to crash down on the floor.

Hiro Mashima stated Natsu and Gajeel are equals. Full Power Gajeel pushed Full Power Natsu to a high-diff fight. Full Power Natsu at this point in FT 100 Years Quest is stronger than Laxus, Jellal, Erza, etc. and Gajeel nearly matched him in the Aldoron Arc. What's the issue?

They are nearly equal at same Mode : Natsu faced him in Base with all his might and was about to win as he had more MP. He only used LFD to push him back. Still, he has FDK mode to strike stronger if he has to. When he is amp with anger, he can tap into Dragon Force which amp all his stats to another level.

Gajeel can only compete vs his base and barely his LFD mode. As analogy, Snake Lucy was perhaps as strong as Gajeel or slightly above as Natsu had hard time resisting Aqua Metria.

Gajeel can't compete with Natsu.

 

[mangaempire29]

All Fairy Tail's S-Class period were strong enough to be Wizard saint : Erza, Laxus and Mystogan. But they were unpredictable, they didn't have the discipline to be rank by the Council.
When Jellal was 50% strength (without Siegrain), he was put down by a clearly weakened Erza (I think herself as 50%) after her fight vs Ikaruga.

Jellal acknowledged that Erza is wizard saint level, I agree that most FT S-Class wizards were wizard saint level in x784. However, Jellal at 50% was a Makarov level wizard saint. And Ikagura did give Erza a mid/high diff fight intense enough that Erza used her best armor at full power to take Ikagura down. Siegrain/50% Jellal > Ikagura. At full power, Jellal is stronger than x784 Makarov, who Erza doesn't surpass until x791. Characters like Laxus, who matched Mystogan, didn't even want to face Makarov 1v1 in the BoFT Arc.
Jellal also faced DF Natsu well up till the climax (where he collapsed trying to do Sema) whereas Erza turned into Laxus's counter (Lightning Armor) yet she still had trouble against a supressed Laxus. It took a Base Natsu and Base Gajeel to 'tie' with Full Power Laxus in BoFT, who was definitely stronger than Erza, whereas a slightly weakened Jellal fought Erza and DF Natsu. Jellal was mildly stronger than Erza in x784.

Statement about Erza pre Second Origin. In this period, Jellal mid-diff Orascion Seis while Erza beat Kyoka who absorb Seilha's remaining strength and with rise stats per seconds with durability weaken the same time.

That statement by Mira happened during the GMG, all teams were set: FT Team A & FT Team B were long been introduced; the second origin training has already happened/finished. Jellal would've had a much easier time with Kyoka than Erza. That's like saying Jura Vs a Tartaros member (outside of Silver or Mard Geer), the results are obvious. Laxus (pre-sickness) destroyed Tempester. Jellal would wash most of the 9 Demon Gates (excluding Silver, Mard Geer).

Only August assumption, like Ultear did thinking Lyon could be out with Natsu's roar on the island. Then Lyon rivaled Natsu in 1vs 1.

I'm pretty sure if August, the King of Magic, said that Ajeel would've been a goner from one Laxus attack, I'm pretty sure it's factual. Ajeel was sweating with shock and hint a relief when he noticed August saved him.

Jellal one shotted Neinhart with anger. Himself was previously one shot by same Neinhart.

Erza's Arbaless's feats vs Irene blew Jellal's feats on Alvaress, where he was one shot by August, an opponent as strong as Irene.
Jellal pushed back Acnologia for a while. Erza forced him to crash down on the floor.

Jellal's feats against August only means that Gildarts > Jellal. Jellal lost in a 4v1 whereas Gildarts was losing in a 2v1, but he damaged August a few times.

Jellal's feats vs Acnologia >>> Erza's Alvarez feats. Jellal blocked Acnologia's attack, sent him flying, damaged Acnologia, and dodged a pointblank roar from the Dragon King, while Erza, Wendy, and everyone in Christina (Blue Pegasus guild) were all left in awe from watching their battle.

They are nearly equal at same Mode : Natsu faced him in Base with all his might and was about to win as he had more MP. He only used LFD to push him back. Still, he has FDK mode to strike stronger if he has to. When he is amp with anger, he can tap into Dragon Force which amp all his stats to another level.

Natsu and Gajeel's second fight was a clear slugfest, they both was heavily damaged in the end. Natsu was only holding on a little longer than Gajeel at the end, they was both low on magic power at the end. LFD barely held off ISD at the end and Natsu used FDK against basically every opponent in the 100YQ (like he used it on Makarov/Wraith my guy) likelihood he used it against Gajeel. If Gajeel was a pushover, Natsu would've FDK oneshot him like he does on weak characters, but he didn't, more like he couldn't because Gajeel is a serious, strong level/rival opponent for FDK/Full Power Natsu. Even Hiro Mashima stated it himself.
Natsu has never willed Dragon Force until late in his fight with Aldoron and that was through adrenaline, there's been no indication he's able to trigger DF at will like Wendy does. Even if we go by forms, it'd be: Base Natsu ≈ Base Gajeel, LFD Natsu ≈ ISD Gajeel, and DF Natsu ≈ DF Gajeel. The only edge Natsu has on Gajeel is FDK/Ignia/Atlas Flame/Igneel attacks at DF where DF Gajeel is only a standard Dragon Force boost. But Dragon Force Gajeel would still a high level monster, so his placement on the list still stands anyway.

 

[Ratrace]

Jellal acknowledged that Erza is wizard saint level, I agree that most FT S-Class wizards were wizard saint level in x784. However, Jellal at 50% was a Makarov level wizard saint. And Ikagura did give Erza a mid/high diff fight intense enough that Erza used her best armor at full power to take Ikagura down. Siegrain/50% Jellal > Ikagura. At full power, Jellal is stronger than x784 Makarov, who Erza doesn't surpass until x791. Characters like Laxus, who matched Mystogan, didn't even want to face Makarov 1v1 in the BoFT Arc.
Jellal also faced DF Natsu well up till the climax (where he collapsed trying to do Sema) whereas Erza turned into Laxus's counter (Lightning Armor) yet she still had trouble against a supressed Laxus. It took a Base Natsu and Base Gajeel to 'tie' with Full Power Laxus in BoFT, who was definitely stronger than Erza, whereas a slightly weakened Jellal fought Erza and DF Natsu. Jellal was mildly stronger than Erza in x784.

There seems to be different ranks in the Wizard saints. We don’t know what rank Jellal was in nor do I think he was as strong as Makarov who was at fifth place before the 7 years skip

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I disagree about all of this.

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All Fairy Tail's S-Class period were strong enough to be Wizard saint : Erza, Laxus and Mystogan. But they were unpredictable, they didn't have the discipline to be rank by the Council.
When Jellal was 50% strength (without Siegrain), he was put down by a clearly weakened Erza (I think herself as 50%) after her fight vs Ikaruga.



Statement about Erza pre Second Origin. In this period, Jellal mid-diff Orascion Seis while Erza beat Kyoka who absorb Seilha's remaining strength and with rise stats per seconds with durability weaken the same time.



Only August assumption, like Ultear did thinking Lyon could be out with Natsu's roar on the island. Then Lyon rivaled Natsu in 1vs 1.

Jellal one shotted Neinhart with anger. Himself was previously one shot by same Neinhart.

Erza's Arbaless's feats vs Irene blew Jellal's feats on Alvaress, where he was one shot by August, an opponent as strong as Irene.
Jellal pushed back Acnologia for a while. Erza forced him to crash down on the floor.



They are nearly equal at same Mode : Natsu faced him in Base with all his might and was about to win as he had more MP. He only used LFD to push him back. Still, he has FDK mode to strike stronger if he has to. When he is amp with anger, he can tap into Dragon Force which amp all his stats to another level.

Gajeel can only compete vs his base and barely his LFD mode. As analogy, Snake Lucy was perhaps as strong as Gajeel or slightly above as Natsu had hard time resisting Aqua Metria.

Gajeel can't compete with Natsu.

Only one I disagree with is being one shot by August because a lot of the fight was off panel so we don’t know what happened except that he lost

 

[Ronin31]

Jellal acknowledged that Erza is wizard saint level, I agree that most FT S-Class wizards were wizard saint level in x784. However, Jellal at 50% was a Makarov level wizard saint. And Ikagura did give Erza a mid/high diff fight intense enough that Erza used her best armor at full power to take Ikagura down. Siegrain/50% Jellal > Ikagura. At full power, Jellal is stronger than x784 Makarov, who Erza doesn't surpass until x791. Characters like Laxus, who matched Mystogan, didn't even want to face Makarov 1v1 in the BoFT Arc.
Jellal also faced DF Natsu well up till the climax (where he collapsed trying to do Sema) whereas Erza turned into Laxus's counter (Lightning Armor) yet she still had trouble against a supressed Laxus. It took a Base Natsu and Base Gajeel to 'tie' with Full Power Laxus in BoFT, who was definitely stronger than Erza, whereas a slightly weakened Jellal fought Erza and DF Natsu. Jellal was mildly stronger than Erza in x784.

Jellal is strong, I know that, but you overestimate him. In X784, no he wasn't on par with Makarov, even at 100%. He was Wizard Saint because like Erza, Mystogan and Laxus he had the level, but, he didn't lack of discipline (mastermind). Jellal was more Jura's tier in this period who stated to be far less than Makarov, too far to be compare with.

Injured Erza fought Jose who rivaled Makarov (without Fairy Law) who saw her as a great wizard. Laxus needed time and preparation to fight his gramp at 100% because he was afraid of him.

I can see Jellal to Laxus and Erza's. Not to Makarov. He was stronger this period.

Jellal was 50% when he fought Erza. Erza was far injured after her fight with Ikaruga and used much MP. So I can see them around same handicap during this duel. Erza won. Sure, when Siegrain fuse his powers to complete Jellal at 100%, Erza, who didn't recover, had no chance. Or are you saiying Gajeel was stronger than Natsu in Phantom war , after he recovered his magic and Natsu not ? Unfair and same circumstances.

Another situation, Jellal amazed Erza fighting Midnight, as he couldn't do anything against him and didn't understand his magic, while Erza understand it, saw weaknesses and exploited them for the win.

That statement by Mira happened during the GMG, all teams were set: FT Team A & FT Team B were long been introduced; the second origin training has already happened/finished. Jellal would've had a much easier time with Kyoka than Erza. That's like saying Jura Vs a Tartaros member (outside of Silver or Mard Geer), the results are obvious. Laxus (pre-sickness) destroyed Tempester. Jellal would wash most of the 9 Demon Gates (excluding Silver, Mard Geer).

Yes Teams were introduced and everyone, even the lectors were thinking Erza used Second Originduring all the GmG. She released it only to finish Minerva. So, she battled and won Kagura without it, even Pandemonium. SO is not a little power up. To see the gap, see Natsu facing Max pre SO and after in the bar where he one shot him like a toy.

Yes Laxus pre sickness destroyed Tempester. Laxus is heavyweight striker. Tempester is nowhere close to Kyoka. This demon battled Erza in close range without Etherious form. And after she stole Seilha's remaining soul. A power up ? Hmmm, Seilha was stronger than Mirajane so, a remaining power is still a upper strength. With that, you can add Kyoka's curse which amp her stats per seconds and disminished foe's durability. Jellal can surely compete but I don't think he can win if he had trouble vs Orascion Seis, where there Magic freezed in Prison.

I'm pretty sure if August, the King of Magic, said that Ajeel would've been a goner from one Laxus attack, I'm pretty sure it's factual. Ajeel was sweating with shock and hint a relief when he noticed August saved him.

Laxus's strike was quite powerful. Enough to kill Ajeel ? I don't think so. This guy tanked Jupiter with his bare hands and needed Jupiter + Nakagami strike combo to finish him. Even so, Laxus didn't face Ajeel in 1 vs 1 like Erza did. Pure assumption, but can Laxus face Sand Wall while Erza's Wind, his weakness, didn't work anymore ? If Ajeel can grap Laxus, he can win like against Erza. Invisible and suck water form body to paralyse the ennemy. Poeple think Ajeel is waek. He is not.

Natsu and Gajeel's second fight was a clear slugfest, they both was heavily damaged in the end. Natsu was only holding on a little longer than Gajeel at the end, they was both low on magic power at the end. LFD barely held off ISD at the end and Natsu used FDK against basically every opponent in the 100YQ (like he used it on Makarov/Wraith my guy) likelihood he used it against Gajeel. If Gajeel was a pushover, Natsu would've FDK oneshot him like he does on weak characters, but he didn't, more like he couldn't because Gajeel is a serious, strong level/rival opponent for FDK/Full Power Natsu. Even Hiro Mashima stated it himself.
Natsu has never willed Dragon Force until late in his fight with Aldoron and that was through adrenaline, there's been no indication he's able to trigger DF at will like Wendy does. Even if we go by forms, it'd be: Base Natsu ≈ Base Gajeel, LFD Natsu ≈ ISD Gajeel, and DF Natsu ≈ DF Gajeel. The only edge Natsu has on Gajeel is FDK/Ignia/Atlas Flame/Igneel attacks at DF where DF Gajeel is only a standard Dragon Force boost. But Dragon Force Gajeel would still a high level monster, so his placement on the list still stands anyway.

Gajeel is strong, near Natsu in same Mode. So until LFD dual Mode. No Natsu didn't use FDK. He wanted to hold his MP to face next strong opponents like Mira, Laxus and Jellal. Even without Dragon Force which is his PoF, don't count it against a friend, FDK is on another level where Gajeel can't compete with. Still, you can empty your MP without using your strongest Mode. Gajeel can't enter Dragon Force so it is useless to speak about it. Natsu and Gajeel were match in strength but with Natsu having more stamina on the final. He could continue and fight Reby where Gajeel couldn't even move to protect her. Still, Natsu continue to fight against Wraith and Makarov just after. Equal strength in same mode, but Natsu's > Gajeel in stamina and MP reserve. And a third Mode while Gajeel stayed at two.

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one shot by August because a lot of the fight was off panel so we don’t know what happened except that he lost

It was a manner of speaking. But Criminal Sorciere couldn't do anything as Jellal said himself.

 

[Ratrace]

It was a manner of speaking. But Criminal Sorciere couldn't do anything as Jellal said himself.

That is true because of August's magic

 

[Ronin31]

That is true because of August's magic

Sure. And likeI said, Jellal is strong. But his problem is his durability : he is not a tank like Gildarts, Laxus and Erza. He can't resist much such opponent like Irene or August, like Gildarts and Erza did against. And their magic were useless as well (until PoF for Erza).

 

[sharkai]

Just a brief summary on Jellal Vs Erza in feats:

x784:
Jellal became a wizard saint with half power (Seigrain as wizard saint alias, Jellal manipulated by darkness undergound). He also beat Erza mid/low diff.

x791:
Jura was stated to be at x784 Gildarts level. Mira stated that she and Erza in a tag-team wouldn't have been able to beat Jura, then here comes Jellal under "Mystogan" who could've nearly oneshotted him with Sema before Ultear took control.

x792:
Erza legit turned into Ajeel's counter and she was still in position where she was about to killed by him. Laxus would've oneshotted Ajeel without August's interference. Jellal oneshotted Neinhart. And Jellal's feats against Acnologia blows Alvarez Erza above the water.

thanks for replying.
jellal was WS in the start of series, but we only saw jellal who was using thought projection vs injured erza. injured erza pretty much low diffed him (so atleast this jellal was not a ws tier). when jellal went full power, he still didnt fight erza. instead he used bind snake which he put on her when erza was hugging him.
so this definitely doesnt show jellal being above erza


we have been talking about sema in this thread.
basically what i got from it is
dragon irene can pretty much one shot erza. even then erza destroyed her deus sema.
following the above logic, anyone who can be one shotted by jellal, can pretty much handle jellal sema (eg like lyon).
in other words, jellal sema was a desperate attempt. jura would have handled it causally.
if the above is true, jura would have been low/mid diffing jellal.
so again no portrayal above erza here either.
of course here we are actually comparing pre ts erza to gmg jura and gmg jellal

this is not true. ajeel was erza counter (almost like wahl was to laxus). erza uses swords, ajeel is immune to swords. it just happens that erza had a mid tier water sword, which ajeel wasnt immune to.
jellal one shotted nienhart after erza made his historia useless.
jellal feats against acno were impressive, but not as impressive as blowing rot aconolgia across the town.

i can see where you might get jellal being slightly stronger than erza. but the manga never really showed that

 

[Ratrace]

Sure. And likeI said, Jellal is strong. But his problem is his durability : he is not a tank like Gildarts, Laxus and Erza. He can't resist much such opponent like Irene or August, like Gildarts and Erza did against. And their magic were useless as well (until PoF for Erza).

Also those three are better at CQC then he is as well

 

[Ronin31]

thanks for replying.
jellal was WS in the start of series, but we only saw jellal who was using thought projection vs injured erza. injured erza pretty much low diffed him (so atleast this jellal was not a ws tier). when jellal went full power, he still didnt fight erza. instead he used bind snake which he put on her when erza was hugging him.
so this definitely doesnt show jellal being above erza


we have been talking about sema in this thread.
basically what i got from it is
dragon irene can pretty much one shot erza. even then erza destroyed her deus sema.
following the above logic, anyone who can be one shotted by jellal, can pretty much handle jellal sema (eg like lyon).
in other words, jellal sema was a desperate attempt. jura would have handled it causally.
if the above is true, jura would have been low/mid diffing jellal.
so again no portrayal above erza here either.
of course here we are actually comparing pre ts erza to gmg jura and gmg jellal

this is not true. ajeel was erza counter (almost like wahl was to laxus). erza uses swords, ajeel is immune to swords. it just happens that erza had a mid tier water sword, which ajeel wasnt immune to.
jellal one shotted nienhart after erza made his historia useless.
jellal feats against acno were impressive, but not as impressive as blowing rot aconolgia across the town.

i can see where you might get jellal being slightly stronger than erza. but the manga never really showed that

Like I said, and no offense on Jellal, I like this dude and respect his strength (a top tier chraracter).

In X784, I saw him as Mystogan's replacement as S-Class Fairy Tail's level. S-Class and Saint Wizard are same level. You have high rank in Saint like Makarov was and below rank like Jura was period and same think in S-Class as Gildarts was high rank and able to deal with above S-Missions and below rank where Erza, Laxus, Mystogan and Mirajane were.

This period, no PoF account, Makarov and Gildarts were the Fairy Tail's strongest. Mirajane was badly weakened to the point she couldn't use Satan Soul fully. I saw Laxus, Jellal, Erza at around same level. One can be above under circumstances and their places can change through the timeline. By analogy, I can see them like Natsu, Gray and Gajeel before Dual Form's arrival.

I think Sharkai explained well Jellal's last option. He is strong but when the opponent is stronger than him, he tried to dodge and use his Ougi. He used this period trump card facing Dragon Force Natsu. Natsu bypassed his stats and Jellal couldn't compete with him anymore. So he dodged away with meteor as QCQ was useless to prepare Abyss Break (period's Ougi). As the spell was interrupt by Jellal's injury previously done by Erza's sword, we don't know if Natsu could tank it or not. The fact is that Jellal couldn't tank Natsu's strike just after. I put this fight as a draw : perhaps Jellal putted a finisher strong enough for the win but it was his despair trump card as Natsu was above him. He used Abyss Break by fear or despair's situation.
His fight against Jura in GmG was the same : Jellal's spell couldn't injure him and Jura's stats were above his. He decided to use his current Trump Card, Sema, as a finisher as he hadn't got another chance for the win. As he was also interrupt, same as when facing Dragon Force Natsu, I put this match as a draw, as we don't know if Jura could tank Jellal's finisher move. But still, Jura was above.

In Alvaress, if we can compare characters under max circumstances, Erza destroyed Deus Sema, a far optimised version of Jellal's finisher move with barely all her broken bones, and managed to strike her opponent with a crazy strength. If you replace Irene by Jellal under same circumstances, she could bypass his despair trump card and deal him a lethal blow as I can't see him survive this slash. But it's under climax circumstances.

Currently, in 100YQ, as we didn't seen Jellal's new move and enhance power strength, I think he is now below Laxus and Erza. Laxus grew far stronger in every stats since Arbaless to the point he amazed Erza with his new strength, durability and raw power. Erza, who was holding back in the first round and began serious in the second but without her enchants, could rival his current enhance strength (brawl), power magic (Blumenblatt and Reiko put a draw) and stamina (they stopped the fight at same time). As Erza received more full injuries in the first round than Laxus (she held back where Laxus didn't), she felt seconds before him. I can see Jellal equal or slightly above Kyria as he rivaled a perplex Erza and took her by surprise with "bind snake". This Erza was a confused version. In the opposite, I can see same confused Erza when she put "Lightning Armor" facing Laxus who two shots this in his classic might. This Erza was also the same who had hard time with Kyria. In serious mood and focus, she tanked enhanced Laxus, so she is greatly stronger.

 

[mangaempire29]

There seems to be different ranks in the Wizard saints. We don’t know what rank Jellal was in nor do I think he was as strong as Makarov who was at fifth place before the 7 years skip

Which chapter did it indicate that Makarov was a rank 5 wizard saint in x784?
From my knowledge, Makarov was a well-known and well-respected mage among the wizard saints, I don't recall the series ever specifying Makarov's wizard saint rank number in x784.

Jellal is strong, I know that, but you overestimate him. In X784, no he wasn't on par with Makarov, even at 100%. He was Wizard Saint because like Erza, Mystogan and Laxus he had the level, but, he didn't lack of discipline (mastermind). Jellal was more Jura's tier in this period who stated to be far less than Makarov, too far to be compare with.

Injured Erza fought Jose who rivaled Makarov (without Fairy Law) who saw her as a great wizard. Laxus needed time and preparation to fight his gramp at 100% because he was afraid of him.

Like I said before, FT S-Class Wizards in x784 were all wizard saint level. Even characters like Erza Knightwalker, LFD Natsu, and Azuma were wizard saint level in x784. x784 Makarov Vs x784 Jellal is determinable by the wizard saint ranks, but by overall x784 feats. x784 Jellal > x784 Erza, he was weakened, yet fought decently against Dragon Force Natsu.

Another situation, Jellal amazed Erza fighting Midnight, as he couldn't do anything against him and didn't understand his magic, while Erza understand it, saw weaknesses and exploited them for the win.

Jellal was no where close to full power, he still had severe amnesia from the whole Tower of Heaven incident. He was barely capable in using his magic when he faced Midnight.

Yes Teams were introduced and everyone, even the lectors were thinking Erza used Second Originduring all the GmG. She released it only to finish Minerva. So, she battled and won Kagura without it, even Pandemonium. SO is not a little power up. To see the gap, see Natsu facing Max pre SO and after in the bar where he one shot him like a toy.

They still get a second origin magic power boost applied to their standard magic power level. Second origin release is an outburst amount of magic power that varies towards each person. Second origin training still significantly improved Erza's standard magic power from her x784 self, her release state into Nakagami was a full power state of second origin. She was still powered up with second origin regularly throughout the GMG, she released her complete full power of second origin against Minerva, hence the Nakagami Armor. So statement about Jura beating Erza and Mira simultaneously was still standing until Erza released Nakagami at the end of the arc. It was still stated by Mavis that Laxus was their opponent against Jura. GMG Jura was continuously stated to be strongest "human" up until Laxus beat him. Jellal posing as Mystogan against Jura put Jellal at a disadvantage with him trying to replicate Mystogan's attacks. When Jellal used his natural Heavenly Body Magic, Jura clearly had trouble keeping up with him, and the intensity of Sema was portrayed to look like a finishing attack to their battle until Ultear stepped in. GMG Jellal >> GMG Erza.

Yes Laxus pre sickness destroyed Tempester. Laxus is heavyweight striker. Tempester is nowhere close to Kyoka. This demon battled Erza in close range without Etherious form. And after she stole Seilha's remaining soul. A power up ? Hmmm, Seilha was stronger than Mirajane so, a remaining power is still a upper strength. With that, you can add Kyoka's curse which amp her stats per seconds and disminished foe's durability. Jellal can surely compete but I don't think he can win if he had trouble vs Orascion Seis, where there Magic freezed in Prison.

Jellal's speed would be way too high for Kyoka to tag and he'd end the battle quickly with Grand Chariot or Sema. Saying Jellal wouldn't be able to beat Kyoka or Seilah is like saying Jura or Laxus wouldn't be able to beat them. Jellal, Jura, and Laxus were clearly a level above Erza in x791.
The Oracion Seis aren't even pushovers like that. Members like Cobra outperformed most dragon slayers aside from Natsu, Laxus, and Gajeel against the dragons in the Eclipse Arc. Racer can somewhat keep up with Cobra, and Midnight was still strongest member at that time.

Laxus's strike was quite powerful. Enough to kill Ajeel ? I don't think so. This guy tanked Jupiter with his bare hands and needed Jupiter + Nakagami strike combo to finish him. Even so, Laxus didn't face Ajeel in 1 vs 1 like Erza did. Pure assumption, but can Laxus face Sand Wall while Erza's Wind, his weakness, didn't work anymore ? If Ajeel can grap Laxus, he can win like against Erza. Invisible and suck water form body to paralyse the ennemy. Poeple think Ajeel is waek. He is not.

Laxus nearly oneshotted Ajeel to oblivion man. August saved him and stated that Ajeel would've been a goner without his interference. Erza turned into Ajeel's counter and she still nearly died. Those results shows that Laxus >> Erza, then Laxus gets Red Lightning. Even if Laxus Vs Ajeel was an actual fight, Laxus could end him quickly with basic dragon slayer attacks or Fairy Law.

Gajeel is strong, near Natsu in same Mode. So until LFD dual Mode. No Natsu didn't use FDK. He wanted to hold his MP to face next strong opponents like Mira, Laxus and Jellal. Even without Dragon Force which is his PoF, don't count it against a friend, FDK is on another level where Gajeel can't compete with. Still, you can empty your MP without using your strongest Mode. Gajeel can't enter Dragon Force so it is useless to speak about it. Natsu and Gajeel were match in strength but with Natsu having more stamina on the final. He could continue and fight Reby where Gajeel couldn't even move to protect her. Still, Natsu continue to fight against Wraith and Makarov just after. Equal strength in same mode, but Natsu's > Gajeel in stamina and MP reserve. And a third Mode while Gajeel stayed at two.

Natsu's stamina > Gajeel's, no dispute there. Natsu started his fight with Gajeel saying that they was both going to go at each other serious. Natsu used FDK against every opponent up to that point in the 100 Years Quest, it'd make no sense to assume he didn't attempt it on Gajeel. Towards the end of the battle, Natsu said that there were still Jellal, Mira, and Laxus but he also said that he was also near out on magic power. Natsu went into BoFT2, wanting to fight and defeat everyone. If you replace Gajeel with any of the other three in that situation, the result would've been the same. Natsu was bound to secure the W after a mid/high-diff with any of the four.
Natsu got oneshotted by Wraith first encounter man, he exhausted from his battle with Gajeel. Natsu ragdolled Wraith in base when they was fighting on equal terms (both thought projections with fresh MP). Natsu used FDK on a crippled, Wraith possessed Makarov. He used FDK on Madmole, who rivaled Elfman, and who stated and shown to have the raw magic power of base Natsu. When Aldoron started acting up with his awakening, first move Natsu did was a FDK attack on Aldoron. Natsu regularly uses FDK in the 100YQ unless his opponent is weak. And considering Natsu views Gajeel as a serious high level opponent, likelihood he used FDK attacks on Gajeel. With Hiro's statement about them being equal in power along with the aftermath from Natsu and Gajeel's second fight, I'm pretty sure Fire Dragon Natsu ≈ Full Power Gajeel.

thanks for replying.
jellal was WS in the start of series, but we only saw jellal who was using thought projection vs injured erza. injured erza pretty much low diffed him (so atleast this jellal was not a ws tier). when jellal went full power, he still didnt fight erza. instead he used bind snake which he put on her when erza was hugging him.
so this definitely doesnt show jellal being above erza


we have been talking about sema in this thread.
basically what i got from it is
dragon irene can pretty much one shot erza. even then erza destroyed her deus sema.
following the above logic, anyone who can be one shotted by jellal, can pretty much handle jellal sema (eg like lyon).
in other words, jellal sema was a desperate attempt. jura would have handled it causally.
if the above is true, jura would have been low/mid diffing jellal.
so again no portrayal above erza here either.
of course here we are actually comparing pre ts erza to gmg jura and gmg jellal

this is not true. ajeel was erza counter (almost like wahl was to laxus). erza uses swords, ajeel is immune to swords. it just happens that erza had a mid tier water sword, which ajeel wasnt immune to.
jellal one shotted nienhart after erza made his historia useless.
jellal feats against acno were impressive, but not as impressive as blowing rot aconolgia across the town.

i can see where you might get jellal being slightly stronger than erza. but the manga never really showed that

x791 Jellal and Jellal's feats against Acnologia clearly shows that Jellal was on another level from Erza. RoT Dragon Acnologia was playing around, chasing exceeds, blowing up random landmarks. Erza's PoF feats against Irene doesn't correlate to Jellal's feats against Acnologia.

Jellal out sped Acnologia and barrels him in the face ( )
Jellal easily blocked a dragon slayer killing blast from Acnologia

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In x793, in the 100YQ, this is the closest Erza has been to Laxus and Jellal in power.

 

[Biri Biri]

Only did that much damage to Jellal because of his time magic. So I think he should be lower

I only got one bite

 

[Ronin31]

he was weakened, yet fought decently against Dragon Force Natsu.

Nope, he was restored just before Natsu's arrival and Erza didn't. He dodged her until "Bind Snake" paralysed her just before Natsu took her place.

Same circumstance as Gajeel was restored by eating iron before Natsu couldn't eat fire in their fight in Phantom. Do you place Gajeel > Natsu without circumstances ?

Jellal was no where close to full power, he still had severe amnesia from the whole Tower of Heaven incident. He was barely capable in using his magic when he faced Midnight.

Agree. Do you think Erza was 100% when she faced him in the Tower ? She was afraid and broken facing her nightmare and still wanted to save Jellal from him and was afraid to fail again. Even Natsu stated that she wasn't the Erza he knew, as she was broken, helpless and was crying. He punched her to stop her nightmare and wanted her to be the fierce and strong woman she usually was. Not this broken one.

Battle circumstances is ok for both situations. Not only for Jellal facing Midnight while he was highly reduced if you have to put analogy.

Jellal's speed would be way too high for Kyoka to tag and he'd end the battle quickly with Grand Chariot or Sema. Saying Jellal wouldn't be able to beat Kyoka or Seilah is like saying Jura or Laxus wouldn't be able to beat them. Jellal, Jura, and Laxus were clearly a level above Erza in x791.
The Oracion Seis aren't even pushovers like that. Members like Cobra outperformed most dragon slayers aside from Natsu, Laxus, and Gajeel against the dragons in the Eclipse Arc. Racer can somewhat keep up with Cobra, and Midnight was still strongest member at that time.

I am not speaking about Laxus or Jura here. We are speaking about Jellal and Erza. Yes, Jellal is a speedster. But can he dodge multidirectional Kyoka's attack she dealt to put down Erza, Minerva and the others ? Her stats were rising per seconds. You underestimate Kyoka.

Still, you have to understand the difference between a speedster and warriorness speed. Erza could blitz two times Laxus in their last encounter, she stroke him with four slashes on his arm and he couldn't even react. Laxus is also a speedster like Jellal is. It's not the same speed used. Ussian Bolt run faster but Bruce Lee reacted much faster.

Natsu's stamina > Gajeel's, no dispute there. Natsu started his fight with Gajeel saying that they was both going to go at each other serious. Natsu used FDK against every opponent up to that point in the 100 Years Quest, it'd make no sense to assume he didn't attempt it on Gajeel. Towards the end of the battle, Natsu said that there were still Jellal, Mira, and Laxus but he also said that he was also near out on magic power. Natsu went into BoFT2, wanting to fight and defeat everyone. If you replace Gajeel with any of the other three in that situation, the result would've been the same. Natsu was bound to secure the W after a mid/high-diff with any of the four.
Natsu got oneshotted by Wraith first encounter man, he exhausted from his battle with Gajeel. Natsu ragdolled Wraith in base when they was fighting on equal terms (both thought projections with fresh MP). Natsu used FDK on a crippled, Wraith possessed Makarov. He used FDK on Madmole, who rivaled Elfman, and who stated and shown to have the raw magic power of base Natsu. When Aldoron started acting up with his awakening, first move Natsu did was a FDK attack on Aldoron. Natsu regularly uses FDK in the 100YQ unless his opponent is weak. And considering Natsu views Gajeel as a serious high level opponent, likelihood he used FDK attacks on Gajeel. With Hiro's statement about them being equal in power along with the aftermath from Natsu and Gajeel's second fight, I'm pretty sure Fire Dragon Natsu ≈ Full Power Gajeel.

I am not disputing, we can agree to disagree .

Like I said, you can empty your magic without using your strongest mode. Natsu was still aware that Laxus is a stronger opponent than Gajeel is. He beated Gajeel in the past in a fair 1 vs 1 and rivaled him since the beginning like with Gray. Natsu never win a battle vs Laxus in 1 VS 1. I can see Natsu reserving his FDK for him.

Yes, sure Natsu was weakened after his fight when he faced Wraith. But still, as he couldn't touch him (ghost), he could fight and use magic again. Gajeel couldn't move to protect his wife and his future child. So Natsu won their battle. Seeing Gajeel at close level to Natsu's base and LFD is not disrespectful. This level is high.

Yes he used FDK punch on Makarov because he raged seeing Wraith taking his titanic master as a vassal. He one shot them and they were both amp like Fusion in Dragon Ball. Still, Makarov's old body couldn't tanked like when he was healthy and this is why Natsu said Makarov was stronger. But Makarov's strike and Magic was multiplied by Wraith Fuse. He had to expulse Wraith from Makarov, not only KO him like he did against Gajeel. Not same circumstances.

Yes he used FDK on Mardmole because he saw his classic fire won't work on his armor. Plus, Mardmole was a foe.
Natsu used FDK on Dragon Gods : he had too and he is aware about their incredible strength.

Gajeel is not in same way.

x791 Jellal and Jellal's feats against Acnologia clearly shows that Jellal was on another level from Erza. RoT Dragon Acnologia was playing around, chasing exceeds, blowing up random landmarks. Erza's PoF feats against Irene doesn't correlate to Jellal's feats against Acnologia.

Again, we disagree. If PoF Erza can blow an optimised Jellal's finisher spell with one valid arm, she can bypass his best spell and kill him with the same blow she used on Dragon Scales, even without Dragon Slayer amp.
Rot Acnologia was enhanced Acnologia. Stronger, tougher and unpredictable. Or are you saiying when Natsu ate Etherion, he wasn't stronger than his original strength ? Erza crashed him down on the boat without Dragon Slayer amp.

Both situations show up Erza's feats were above Jellal's.

 

[Axiomus]

DF Natsu did more damage to Aldoron's body than giant Gajeel did, which is Brandish boosting Gajeel.

Gray can freeze Irene. She'll just immediately break out of his ice, like many people do.

GMG Jellal was stronger than GMG Erza. Jura was portrayed to be as strong as Erza and Mirajane combined, at least prior to Erza releasing second origin. Current Erza and Laxus are on the same tier, with Laxus being stronger. I would assume Jellal is too as well, with Erza being stronger.

 

[Ronin31]

Gray can freeze Irene. She'll just immediately break out of his ice, like many people do.

I don't understand why you put this statement. Can you explain ?