The form was collective boost of fire from multiple fire dragons whose flames Natsu previously consumed combined and applied onto his dragon force to oneshot Aldoron. It wasn't like his DF vs Mard Geer or Zeref, it was Dragon God level variant. There's no official name on the form. The name varies.
Gray never inflicted any damage on Skullion, yet Natsu did. Skullion shrugged away Gray's Zeroth Sword then ashed him away in one spell. Skullion was shown with no visible damage against Gray. He was shown later damaged by Base Natsu and BBS Mira in other battles.
There's no "circumstances":
He turned into lightning multiple times fighting Hades, Jura, and Tempester. LFD Natsu can use Laxus's lightning element and properties the way the user could similar as to when Gajeel used Rogue's shadow abilites in ISD.
That's not intangibility like Skullion or Ajeel. No, Natsu can't use lightning magic like Laxus but he can boost his fire with lightning. There is a big difference.
LFD ragdolled Etherious Tempester whereas Natsu's base was in a stalemate against Base Tempester.
Replace Base Natsu's punch on Skullion with an LFD Natsu attack and there lies a significant difference.
You're only overrating Skullion because he stomped Gray.
The second Gajeel stood up again, Levy showed up. Natsu regained his MP/base power when recovered as a thought projection. He was fresh fighting Makarov and Wraith + he encountered Wendy prior to facing Aldoron.
False, he didn't even try to intervene when Natsu was going to punch Levy. All he could do is yell, that's why Levy had to use her pregnancy as a defense mechanism.
Natsu was clearly battered and beat up. You can see he's covered in bruises all over.
No proof that Wendy healed him. Plus, it doesn't change that Natsu was tanking Aldoron's attacks, matching him in power, and burned off his Thicket of arms while laughing.
Everyone had trouble against Metro including Mira and Gray. Gajeel and the rest of FT were still weakened after the white mage's control was released. Evidence: Laxus and Erza were still out of power when Gears appeared. Gajeel was severely handicapped against Aldoron.
Yea, but Mira did more than Gajeel did to warrant her being tired and she at least blew off Metro's soldiers while Gajeel was struggling. Laxus still had enough energy to carry Erza and run while spamming his lightning against the god seeds.
The form was collective boost of fire from multiple fire dragons whose flames Natsu previously consumed combined and applied onto his dragon force to oneshot Aldoron. It wasn't like his DF vs Mard Geer or Zeref, it was Dragon God level variant. There's no official name on the form. The name varies.
Natsu called it purgatory fire. He had a name for his spell. He never got a boost as Natsu said those were his flames. Natsu literally said to Aldoron he was using his own fire. The only Boost he got was from his DF.
And how is this equal to Dual Erza == RL Laxus. Erza kept up with Laxus without using the dual swords for a considerable time in her Belserion form. She used Heavenly feel to counter Laxus's own RL Move before fainting. This means RL Laxus/Belserion Mode Erza.
Natsu doesn't have a new mode. He used dragon force.
His new fire is a mixture of Igneel, Ignia, and Atlas Flame's fires. Technically is different from FDK and his regular flames, but there isn't a mode for this yet. We don't know the name of this fire, if it even has one.
Purgatory Spear Dragon Fire is the name of the secret art he used with this new fire.
She used "High Enchant" for only one strike. In the second round, when Erza was 100%, she only used Belserion to a draw. In the second round, where are the Fire and Ice Swords ? Show the scans, please. They equally brawled and then compete Blumenblatt vs Raiko until empty their magic reserve.
LFD ragdolled Etherious Tempester whereas Natsu's base was in a stalemate against Base Tempester.
Replace Base Natsu's punch on Skullion with an LFD Natsu attack and there lies a significant difference.
You're only overrating Skullion because he stomped Gray.
So, if I understand well your placement :
Gajeel (100%) = Natsu (FDK) = Gildarts >>> Base Natsu = Base Gajeel >> Devil Slayer Grey ?
I was thinking you overestimed Gajeel (on Gildarts's level) and underestimated Erza (mid-diff by the like of Jellal or Laxus) but what about Grey ?? You seriously think Base Natsu or Base Gajeel are stronger than Devil Slayer Grey ??
I think you can hardly review your placements :
Devil Slayer Grey >> Base Natsu or Base Gajeel.
Gildarts >> Gajeel as well.
Belserion Erza = Raiko Laxus.
Natsu regained his MP/base power when recovered as a thought projection. He was fresh fighting Makarov and Wraith + he encountered Wendy prior to facing Aldoron.
Everyone had trouble against Metro including Mira and Gray. Gajeel and the rest of FT were still weakened after the white mage's control was released. Evidence: Laxus and Erza were still out of power when Gears appeared. Gajeel was severely handicapped against Aldoron.
All the Brainwatched puppets recovered their magic when Faris lost control. See Jubia. Then they were released from the cards to help into the fights against the Seeds. Coincidence as everybody woke up and used their Magic while they were KO and Empty just before ? Laxus was able to use his lightning, Jubia her water and everyone could use their MP, like the previously weakened and KO Mirajane. They were restored and more active than Natsu's Team who didn't recover and chain combos the battles.
And he called Gray "foolish" for challenging him. Gray didn't damage Skullion. Base Natsu did.
Skullion could laugh all he want, he couldn't back anything up as the next cutaway to the fight it showed Skullion losing the battle. Natsu charged at him, and he sent Madmole in instead of himself:
Devil Slayer Gray only matched Base Natsu in the Avatar Arc. Current Gray is not portrayed to be OP as he once was in Tartaros or in Alvarez. He gave it his all to barely beat a weakened BSS Mira and Elfman in the 100YQ.
False, he didn't even try to intervene when Natsu was going to punch Levy. All he could do is yell, that's why Levy had to use her pregnancy as a defense mechanism.
Natsu prior also shouted at Gajeel to just "fall down already," the fight was clearly exhausting the both of them, along with Natsu's stance barely holding up himself:
Natsu was clearly battered and beat up. You can see he's covered in bruises all over.
No proof that Wendy healed him. Plus, it doesn't change that Natsu was tanking Aldoron's attacks, matching him in power, and burned off his Thicket of arms while laughing.
He had no damage prior to encountering Wraith-possessed Makarov.
Nearly every time final battle Natsu is in, he's usually bruised and damaged entering the fight (Zeref, Acnologia, Hades, Mard Geer)
Yea, but Mira did more than Gajeel did to warrant her being tired and she at least blew off Metro's soldiers while Gajeel was struggling. Laxus still had enough energy to carry Erza and run while spamming his lightning against the god seeds.
The performance the Metro's fodder just shows BSS Mira > Base Gajeel. Regardless most of FT took out fodder until the numbers became overhwelming even for Mira.
Laxus also says they're still damaged from the recent fight:
They played spectator/in the background during the whole God Seeds battles.
Hiro Mashima Interview Session :
Natsu and Gajeel statement at timestamp begins at 3:10:51 to 3:13:16, his statement and translation being equal is at 3:12:14.
This happened mid-October (October 17) latest 100YQ chapter released was 66, during the return to Edolas (Post-Aldoron Arc)
No mention on forms, just them being equals, denying the creator's statement because of your distaste on Gajeel is clown behavior.
Natsu called it purgatory fire. He had a name for his spell. He never got a boost as Natsu said those were his flames. Natsu literally said to Aldoron he was using his own fire. The only Boost he got was from his DF.
And how is this equal to Dual Erza == RL Laxus. Erza kept up with Laxus without using the dual swords for a considerable time in her Belserion form. She used Heavenly feel to counter Laxus's own RL Move before fainting. This means RL Laxus/Belserion Mode Erza.
Skullion could laugh all he want, he couldn't back anything up as the next cutaway to the fight it showed Skullion losing the battle. Natsu charged at him, and he sent Madmole in instead of himself:
That's what you call tanking an attack. Nowhere is Skullion scared.....he's smart. It makes sense he sent Madmole considering Madmole has heat resistance.
Devil Slayer Gray only matched Base Natsu in the Avatar Arc. Current Gray is not portrayed to be OP as he once was in Tartaros or in Alvarez. He gave it his all to barely beat a weakened BSS Mira and Elfman in the 100YQ.
Natsu prior also shouted at Gajeel to just "fall down already," the fight was clearly exhausting the both of them, along with Natsu's stance barely holding up himself:
He had no damage prior to encountering Wraith-possessed Makarov.
Nearly every time final battle Natsu is in, he's usually bruised and damaged entering the fight (Zeref, Acnologia, Hades, Mard Geer)
The performance the Metro's fodder just shows BSS Mira > Base Gajeel. Regardless most of FT took out fodder until the numbers became overhwelming even for Mira.
Laxus also says they're still damaged from the recent fight:
This happened mid-October (October 17) latest 100YQ chapter released was 66, during the return to Edolas (Post-Aldoron Arc)
No mention on forms, just them being equals, denying the creator's statement because of your distaste on Gajeel is clown behavior.
What is this MultiFlame DF Natsu. Natsu has no form like this. He used a move called Purgatory Fire against Aldoron which were his flames. There isn't something called MultiFlame DF. DF is DF that's all. Otherwise might well as a form for FDK DF
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Erza only used the dual sword once on RL Laxus to cut his chest after that she was using a regular sword and even before using the Dual swords she still cut Laxus arm. Did you read the fight? RL Laxus and Belserion Erza is on the same level. With Laxus having a slight edge on Stamina.
They aren’t on the same level. Laxus has a massive power advantage the entire fight. An Erza needed two amps to keep up with a Laxus already fresh from combat. It’s her ability to keep fighting through all the punishment thrown her way that was so impressive. There’s a reason she was out so much longer.
If that was true you wouldn’t have wasted energy trying to cast doubt on that being the reason. There is a clear message about them fighting there. He didn’t say us fighting. He said fighting here. Something that has never been an issue or concern for Laxus before in the story. Having him be the voice of reason who calms the situation down, and then is shown to resolve it in the guildhall. They couldn’t have has a better resolution from a storyline point.
If that was true you wouldn’t have wasted energy trying to cast doubt on that being the reason. There is a clear message about them fighting there. He didn’t say us fighting. He said fighting here. Something that has never been an issue or concern for Laxus before in the story. Having him be the voice of reason who calms the situation down, and then is shown to resolve it in the guildhall. They couldn’t have has a better resolution from a storyline point.
First part I put down before I went back and read it again.
He said if we battle now it won't be good for either of them. He didn't say anything about if we battle here it would be bad. Unless he said it some where else then the link I posted
False go read the scan you read. Natsu used his own fire. Natsu literally says that it's his fire. Not a combination of three dragon fire. It might have similar properties to their flames.
They aren’t on the same level. Laxus has a massive power advantage the entire fight. An Erza needed two amps to keep up with a Laxus already fresh from combat. It’s her ability to keep fighting through all the punishment thrown her way that was so impressive. There’s a reason she was out so much longer.
Laxus is not massively stronger than Erza. Belserion Erza damaged him and she only used the dual swords for only one attack. After that, she was keeping up with him. Heavenly feels canceled out his RL attack. Laxus is slightly stronger than Belserion Erza. Massively strong means Laxus should have won without any damage.
Skullion could laugh all he want, he couldn't back anything up as the next cutaway to the fight it showed Skullion losing the battle. Natsu charged at him, and he sent Madmole in instead of himself:
In this picture, Wendy countered Skullion Ashes and his habilities to be intangible (Logia sort of One Piece). Natsu could only touch Skullion with Wendy's support as she is currently the best one to resolve Team's troubles . Sure he sent Mardmole as his habilities were greatly reduced on a 2 vs 1.
Can we see the rematch Natsu vs Skullion without Wendy's support ?
Well, same as Base Grey by analogy : but sure Gajeel and Natsu are far stronger than the like or Skullion and Grey
Can we see Mirajane's performance while under adrenaline due to Lisanna's (Gemini) being erase vs Skullion ?
Well, not so much effective, just like Natsu and Grey. Even a fulled rage Mira couldn't physically touch Skullion. She could only dodge and resist for long.
What about the Devil Slayer weakling ?
Well, in my opinion, Grey did well : he could blitz Skullion under water where Mirajane couldn't on the ground, then both used AoE spell on Elmina's size in equal terms and Skullion finished Grey with a named's spell. I can see his performance above adrenaline Mirajane and Base Natsu here as he can't counter or dodge AoE attack in the sea.
You have to take account that this Grey is not his full power. Longer he maintains this Mode, more he loss his mental sanity to enhance his powers : see Invel's description : Invel only tremendeously accelerate the process by forcing him to kill Jubia.
So, yes, the Devil Slayer Grey who fought Base Natsu in Avatar was his lowest power form as he maintained control and played a role.
If you want to see Grey DS full power, let see his fight vs END : Natsu's strength rise with his anger. END was his bloodlust one. The day Gajeel should compete with this Natsu's like, I should take him as a rival.
You like taking Mashima's words but only for your people. Can we see some circumstances of this battle ?
In this fist one, Laxus asked Erza to stop holding back her might. This round was when she used Ice and Fire Blades. Erza took more damage than Laxus as he was going all out with his RL.
They brawled on equal term and their physical strength are on par. Let's continue...
They equally matched in Magic Spell and stopped at same time, empty. If not, why Laxus didn't continue his move to obliterate Erza ?
Laxus won by your statement. Let see :
Well, yea, Erza admitted she was empty and couldn't continue the fight. She accepted her loss. Can we continue just after ?
When Erza explained that she will win next time. Laxus answered "that's my line, I am also out of magic".
So, Laxus admitted himself he didn't win the fight as well. It was a draw.
They are more in equal terms than Natsu and Gajeel were in their last encounter. They are like Gray and END in Albaress or are you saiying Laxus is stronger because Erza felt seconds before and END was stronger because Grey felt seconds before as well ?
I know you like Mashima's statements and you have to, so I agree about that : let see his statements.
- Laxus said it's a draw battle.
- Kyria, as she saw the fight, explained that is was a draw.
- Mashima's couverture put a double KO :
Yes, Laxus woke up far quickly. Circumstances ?
Laxus was KO. Not resting or he is the most silly man in the world as Kyria was still here and wanted to eat him. He woke up not by himself, neither Mirajane, Elfman and some. They were restored, like Jubia was in magic. Or it is really miraculous they woke up all at the same time, when Mira, Elfman and Laxus were clearly out just before.
Conclusion :
- Base Natsu isn't stronger than DS Grey, neither Gajeel is. Performance against Skullion stated this.
- Skullion is still currently unmatch and can't be touch without Wendy's assistance.
- Belserion Erza = RL Laxus (3 statements about the draw) and no Ice and Fire Blades when she decided to go 100% in round 2.
LFD has always been stronger than BSS. Like I said before, there has been no indication that BSS passes LFD because of Mira's battle result with Skullion.
Base Natsu damaged Skullion. LFD power boost >> base level. LFD Natsu would've manhandled Skullion. They'd both be able to cancel out their intangibilities (Ash V Lightning), but LFD has much more destructive power.
Evidence: Reread Natsu Vs Max, Gajeel Vs Rogue, LFD & ISD Vs Tempester & Torafuzar before Torafuzar plunged them underwater.
Are you implying that Erza > Gildarts then?
Here's August stating he was the strongest amongst the Spriggan 12.
Gildarts fought August at decently with Cana's help. Gildarts was getting low-diff prior. Gildarts is the strongest member in FT aside from Natsu in the Alvarez Arc.
Irene was toying with Erza prior to revealing her past. Wendy Belserion was beating Erza low-diff. Irene's affection got in the way and result in Irene's 'suicide attempt.' Erza and Wendy were fighting a losing battle.
August handily beating Gildarts > Irene Vs Erza & Wendy.
bad guy hyping himself doesnt mean anything. they have been declared equal. who would win a fight, no one knows.
i have pof erza above gildarts in alverzec
for me its
end of series natsu
.
.
end of series erza
.
gildarts
pof laxus, darkness gray
.
erza
.
gajeel
rest
but eos erza only existed for seconds. you saw her over power irene top tier move and blast rot aconologia across the town.
gildarts doesnt have feats here
This simply isn't true. Objects with smaller masses can move things with larger mass, and it happens all the time. Just get 2 coins of difference masses. Put both of them on your desk, and flick the smaller one at the larger one with your finger. See what happens. Better yet, get someone who is smaller than you to push you with all their strength, and see if you can stand still while being completely relaxed.
Friction has absolutely nothing to do with how much someone can bench, and what you're talking about isn't even friction. Bench press is designed to isolate your arms and chest. You are pushing up against gravity with your arms. You can actually lift far more by standing up and engaging your legs and core. That's why you can deadlift more than you bench. You can bench and deadlift more than your body weight. It is also far easier to push or pull an object along the ground than it is to lift it. Friction is negligible compared to gravity for pretty much any object weighing over a pound.
When you strike an object, both you and the object experience the same amount of force. And generally speaking, you both move. With good form, you can leverage the force you receive back into the ground. That's what most fighters do. If you hang a 250 pound heavybag on a rope and strike it, chances are it will move if you are north of 150lbs. Here's Joe Rogan slamming a standard 250lbs heavybag. He's never weighed more than 205, and is probably in much better shape in the video than he is now.
Anyways, Acnologia wasn't braced against anything because he was flying. Now, yes....You can argue argue that the lift generated by his flight carries with it a certain amount of force, and Erza overcame that force. In fact, I would argue that Acnologia in a charge generates enough speed to offset any amount of leverage he can get from the ground. But again, Acnologia wasn't in the middle of an attack at that moment. He was just mindlessly flying around. Unless you're arguing that Acnologia at the moment Erza's attack smacked him was exerting as much force as when he shredded Igneel, then Erza simply wasn't overpowering Acnologia at full strength.
Erza's attack wouldn't have been able to scratch Acnologia even if it had been enchanted with dragon slaying magic. Remember, Acnologia is still resistant to magic, including that of Dragon Slaying Magic. We've even seen Acnologia shrug off dragon slaying magic on the level of Igneel's roar without receiving a scratch. So even if Erza's attack was as strong as Igneel's roar, which I doubt, it would still be shrugged off by Acno.
Sure, the swords might be able to deliver enough force upon to push Acnologia to the ground. That's not really more impressive than Christina airship or Jellal pushing against Acnologia. Again, you don't have to be stronger than Acnologia to move him. You just have to be able to move an object of Acnologia's mass. We've actually seen that dragons on Acnologia's level can have varying masses, and this obviously affects how easy it is for people to move them. When Erza spams her swords against a larger dragon, like Mercphobia, it barely does anything. This time, she not only has a dragon slaying enchantment, but the collective help of everyone else on team Natsu.
This is only taken to the extremes with Aldoron, where Laxus and Erza exhausted all their power fighting on Aldoron's back, and their attacks don't even register to Aldoron's sheer mass. Aldoron actually had less MP than Acnologia because his seeds were getting destroyed. Anyways, this time in particular, Laxus vaporized most of Erza's sword with red lightning. Stands to reason if Acnologia was actually facing off against Erza's sword spam and charged in with an attack, he would simply shatter Erza's swords much like he did to Igneel's body.
Imagine if Acnologia fully committed to a charging Erza with the intent to shred her body like he did with Igneel. If you think Erza's sword spam can stop him in his tracks and knock him down, then that would make Erza flat out stronger than Acnologia and the god dragons. If not, then that means Erza isn't overpowering regular Acnologia's max strength. This means even if ROT Acnologia's max strength is stronger than regular Acnologia's max strength, the difference is irrelevant. The only way pushing ROT Acno is significantly more impressive than pushing regular Acnologia is if Acnologia is using the ROT's magic to exert a level of strength beyond what he is normally capable of. You would have to be arguing that Acnologia was exerting as much strength flying around as he was when he ripped Igneel apart, and that Erza's attack is stronger than ripping Igneel apart.
for physics, sorry. from my small understanding of physics you are wrong. kinda.
you are adding stuffs like Just get 2 coins of difference masses. Put both of them on your desk, and flick the smaller one at the larger one with your finger.
this is different. its an example of momentum. the smaller coin has velocity, while the larger one doesnt.
i talked about pushing and pulling. with all variables same. in that case its impossible to move something heavier than yourself.
same as below Better yet, get someone who is smaller than you to push you with all their strength, and see if you can stand still while being completely relaxed.
note you are using word relax. basically the smaller guy can shift my center of gravity, if he or she uses friction provided by the ground correctly and i donot. in other words, heavier objects having less friction will move. you can actually move very heavy object, if they dont have any friction stopping them from moving.
benchpress and this When you strike an object, both you and the object experience the same amount of force. And generally speaking, you both move. With good form, you can leverage the force you receive back into the ground.
is what i am talking about
all forces will have equal reaction. whether benchpressing or punching. both feel the same thing. barbell moves up and you dont go down because of the bench.
for fighting, you have positions yours legs correctly. lower your center of gravity and stuffs you yourself mentioned
if you are in vacuum with no gravity or air. and if you can punch someone (same mass as yours) 1 light year away. you will also be blasted 1 light year back. so then you have to get in your star ship and travel 2 light years to get to him.
this follows that if there are two objects of different masses but same shape and having same frictional factors. the smaller object can never move the larger object. the smaller object can push. all accerelation produced by the push will be experienced by the lighter pushing object. the larger object does not need to do anything
bad guy hyping himself doesnt mean anything. they have been declared equal. who would win a fight, no one knows.
i have pof erza above gildarts in alverzec
for me its
end of series natsu
.
.
end of series erza
.
gildarts
pof laxus, darkness gray
.
erza
.
gajeel
rest
but eos erza only existed for seconds. you saw her over power irene top tier move and blast rot aconologia across the town.
gildarts doesnt have feats here
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for aconolgia i kinda agree with you
for physics, sorry. from my small understanding of physics you are wrong. kinda.
you are adding stuffs like Just get 2 coins of difference masses. Put both of them on your desk, and flick the smaller one at the larger one with your finger.
this is different. its an example of momentum. the smaller coin has velocity, while the larger one doesnt.
i talked about pushing and pulling. with all variables same. in that case its impossible to move something heavier than yourself.
same as below Better yet, get someone who is smaller than you to push you with all their strength, and see if you can stand still while being completely relaxed.
note you are using word relax. basically the smaller guy can shift my center of gravity, if he or she uses friction provided by the ground correctly and i donot. in other words, heavier objects having less friction will move. you can actually move very heavy object, if they dont have any friction stopping them from moving.
benchpress and this When you strike an object, both you and the object experience the same amount of force. And generally speaking, you both move. With good form, you can leverage the force you receive back into the ground.
is what i am talking about
all forces will have equal reaction. whether benchpressing or punching. both feel the same thing. barbell moves up and you dont go down because of the bench.
for fighting, you have positions yours legs correctly. lower your center of gravity and stuffs you yourself mentioned
if you are in vacuum with no gravity or air. and if you can punch someone (same mass as yours) 1 light year away. you will also be blasted 1 light year back. so then you have to get in your star ship and travel 2 light years to get to him.
this follows that if there are two objects of different masses but same shape and having same frictional factors. the smaller object can never move the larger object. the smaller object can push. all accerelation produced by the push will be experienced by the lighter pushing object. the larger object does not need to do anything
All it takes to move something with more mass than yourself is to impart force on the object. It doesn't even have to be that large amount of force. I don't need to use my whole body weight to move something larger than myself. I just need to accelerate a portion of my mass, and make contact. Everytime you jump, you are exerting a force against the ground greater than that of your body weight. If you put the same amount of force into a kick, you will easily move someone 5~10 heavier than you.
You are greatly overestimating friction. Hold up 2 objects side by side so that they touch, and then let go of one. If the force of friction is greater than force of gravity, then the objects should stick together. If one drops to the floor, then gravity outweighs friction. It is harder to lift against gravity than to drag against friction. If someone pushes me, I am not relying on friction against the ground to root myself. I am aligning my feet to push against the ground downward. This is not friction.
Here's a test you can do. Find someone heavier than you. Have him lie on the ground to increase surface area and friction. And then drag him by the ankles. If what you are saying is true, it should be impossible to pull that weight. I can assure you it's not.
There's no need to get into science. Jellal can push both human Acno and Dragon Acno, despite being infinitely weaker than both. This alone proves that no matter how powerful you are, you can always be moved, as long as the person pushing you has the strength to move your weight,
Jellal doesn't have the strength to overpower Acno, human or dragon, but he does have the strength to shift his weight. Just like Erza.
False go read the scan you read. Natsu used his own fire. Natsu literally says that it's his fire. Not a combination of three dragon fire. It might have similar properties to their flames.
So? Belserion Erza lost RL Laxus.
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Laxus is not massively stronger than Erza. Belserion Erza damaged him and she only used the dual swords for only one attack. After that, she was keeping up with him. Heavenly feels canceled out his RL attack. Laxus is slightly stronger than Belserion Erza. Massively strong means Laxus should have won without any damage.
All it takes to move something with more mass than yourself is to impart force on the object. It doesn't even have to be that large amount of force. I don't need to use my whole body weight to move something larger than myself. I just need to accelerate a portion of my mass, and make contact. Everytime you jump, you are exerting a force against the ground greater than that of your body weight. If you put the same amount of force into a kick, you will easily move someone 5~10 heavier than you.
You are greatly overestimating friction. Hold up 2 objects side by side so that they touch, and then let go of one. If the force of friction is greater than force of gravity, then the objects should stick together. If one drops to the floor, then gravity outweighs friction. It is harder to lift against gravity than to drag against friction. If someone pushes me, I am not relying on friction against the ground to root myself. I am aligning my feet to push against the ground downward. This is not friction.
Here's a test you can do. Find someone heavier than you. Have him lie on the ground to increase surface area and friction. And then drag him by the ankles. If what you are saying is true, it should be impossible to pull that weight. I can assure you it's not.
how exactly are directing force, that it only applies to the object that you struct. why is the force not effecting you?
like you said before. force and reaction. they should be equal.
Consider two objects (one weighs 100lbs and other weighs 200 lbs). they are standing on frictionless floor. 100lbs object punches with such force that he can move 100lbs 5ft away from itself. can you predict what will happen if this super strong 100lbs object punches that 200lbs object on frictionless floor. the force of the punch will move the puncher (that is the 100lbs object) 5 ft back. number can vary i guess, but most of that force will be experienced by lighter object, effecting its position
Here's a test you can do. Find someone heavier than you. Have him lie on the ground to increase surface area and friction. And then drag him by the ankles. If what you are saying is true, it should be impossible to pull that weight. I can assure you it's not.
can i dig my feets into the ground?
change the experiment. you have frictionless floor, which doesnt give (no feet digging). do you think i will be able to drag someone heavier than me who is also lying down.
well technically you cant even walk on frictionless floor.
provided you can walk but not dig your feet.
maybe human body. err i dont know
human feet stick to ground more than say human head, back, butt and legs (things in contact with surface when you lie down). there are just too many variables
but yes as @Seven777says no need for physics here
There's no need to get into science. Jellal can push both human Acno and Dragon Acno, despite being infinitely weaker than both. This alone proves that no matter how powerful you are, you can always be moved, as long as the person pushing you has the strength to move your weight,
Jellal doesn't have the strength to overpower Acno, human or dragon, but he does have the strength to shift his weight. Just like Erza.
yeah
physics definitely doesnt work in fairy tail like in real world. though i really want to see this aconolgia roaring in our world while standing upright. that cartwheel will be amusing as hell
They aren’t on the same level. Laxus has a massive power advantage the entire fight. An Erza needed two amps to keep up with a Laxus already fresh from combat. It’s her ability to keep fighting through all the punishment thrown her way that was so impressive. There’s a reason she was out so much longer.
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If that was true you wouldn’t have wasted energy trying to cast doubt on that being the reason. There is a clear message about them fighting there. He didn’t say us fighting. He said fighting here. Something that has never been an issue or concern for Laxus before in the story. Having him be the voice of reason who calms the situation down, and then is shown to resolve it in the guildhall. They couldn’t have has a better resolution from a storyline point.
laxus also got two amps man. erza technically only got one, though i understand people calling it two
1) erza dragon seal (not an amp canonically though)
2) laxus red lightening mode (big amp canonically)
3) erza belserion sword
4) blood boost for red lightening mode (power also implied for this amp)
how exactly are directing force, that it only applies to the object that you struct. why is the force not effecting you?
like you said before. force and reaction. they should be equal.
Consider two objects (one weighs 100lbs and other weighs 200 lbs). they are standing on frictionless floor. 100lbs object punches with such force that he can move 100lbs 5ft away from itself. can you predict what will happen if this super strong 100lbs object punches that 200lbs object on frictionless floor. the force of the punch will move the puncher (that is the 100lbs object) 5 ft back. number can vary i guess, but most of that force will be experienced by lighter object, effecting its position
Here's a test you can do. Find someone heavier than you. Have him lie on the ground to increase surface area and friction. And then drag him by the ankles. If what you are saying is true, it should be impossible to pull that weight. I can assure you it's not.
can i dig my feets into the ground?
change the experiment. you have frictionless floor, which doesnt give (no feet digging). do you think i will be able to drag someone heavier than me who is also lying down.
well technically you cant even walk on frictionless floor.
provided you can walk but not dig your feet.
maybe human body. err i dont know
human feet stick to ground more than say human head, back, butt and legs (things in contact with surface when you lie down). there are just too many variables
but yes as @Seven777says no need for physics here
yeah
physics definitely doesnt work in fairy tail like in real world. though i really want to see this aconolgia roaring in our world while standing upright. that cartwheel will be amusing as hell
One, is that you leverage against the ground. Two, is that when you accelerate mass, what matters isn't it's true mass at rest. It's the perceived mass from its momentum. For example, a bullet never weighs more than a few hundred grams. However something like a 50 cal is striking with over 10,000 pounds of force. Even if you had skin that is impenetrable, a 50 cal still delivers enough force to knock you down.
Digging your feet into the ground isn't friction. You are pushing downwards on the ground when you root. And yes, you can still drag him. You would just need to pay more attention to you footing, but nothing is stopping you from dragging him provided you can still push against the floor. And actually, you would still be able to pull him even if there was no floor. You'd just also pull yourself towards him, and would need to reset your distance between pulls.
how exactly are directing force, that it only applies to the object that you struct. why is the force not effecting you?
like you said before. force and reaction. they should be equal.
Consider two objects (one weighs 100lbs and other weighs 200 lbs). they are standing on frictionless floor. 100lbs object punches with such force that he can move 100lbs 5ft away from itself. can you predict what will happen if this super strong 100lbs object punches that 200lbs object on frictionless floor. the force of the punch will move the puncher (that is the 100lbs object) 5 ft back. number can vary i guess, but most of that force will be experienced by lighter object, effecting its position
Here's a test you can do. Find someone heavier than you. Have him lie on the ground to increase surface area and friction. And then drag him by the ankles. If what you are saying is true, it should be impossible to pull that weight. I can assure you it's not.
can i dig my feets into the ground?
change the experiment. you have frictionless floor, which doesnt give (no feet digging). do you think i will be able to drag someone heavier than me who is also lying down.
well technically you cant even walk on frictionless floor.
provided you can walk but not dig your feet.
maybe human body. err i dont know
human feet stick to ground more than say human head, back, butt and legs (things in contact with surface when you lie down). there are just too many variables
but yes as @Seven777says no need for physics here
yeah
physics definitely doesnt work in fairy tail like in real world. though i really want to see this aconolgia roaring in our world while standing upright. that cartwheel will be amusing as hell
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laxus also got two amps man. erza technically only got one, though i understand people calling it two
1) erza dragon seal (not an amp canonically though)
2) laxus red lightening mode (big amp canonically)
3) erza belserion sword
4) blood boost for red lightening mode (power also implied for this amp)
after erza hits laxus with dual swords, laxus makes a weird statement. claiming that blood is what powers the red lightening dragon. he then hits erza.
erza says that was more powerful than she expected. (ch#44 pg 19)
even though she had already been hit by laxus red lightening before.
implication was clear, laxus fans are just pretty good at selecting things they like more
after erza hits laxus with dual swords, laxus makes a weird statement. claiming that blood is what powers the red lightening dragon. he then hits erza.
erza says that was more powerful than she expected. (ch#44 pg 19)
even though she had already been hit by laxus red lightening before.
implication was clear, laxus fans are just pretty good at selecting things they like more
. Sure he sent Mardmole as his habilities were greatly reduced on a 2 vs 1.
