Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

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i think word of mouth on twitter helps, and also i wonder if its short length makes it easier for people to buy versus a 20+ volume long runner
Yes, it does. Shorter length series are a lot easier to get into. Especially when it has ended. Its closure for people.
This is true in any form for any form of consumption.

And yes, word of mouth is what CSM (and JJK) had going for it even before any big boost. It was growing VoV by like 20-30k and about to overtake pre-anime JJK.
So the hype around CSM ending, anime announcement and CSM 2 announcement only increased that.
 

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Going to ask just to see if I'm right. Is the lead color page of the My Hero Academia chapter a:
spread with the 9 OfA users
?
No...

the color spread has Izuku Midoriya and Tomura Shigaraki sitting on a mountain of TV.
 

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I don't think you know how the TOC placements are decided. At the end of every issue of Jump, people are allowed to vote for their favorite series of that week, and those results are then used as a reference for creating the TOC.

If it was based on sales alone, then the TOC would be the exact same every week, but that obviously isn't the case. It's more based on popularity among those who read the magazine, regardless of whether or not they plan to buy the volumes. Phantom Seer most likely is popular among people who don't read Jump or who simply don't vote for it, which is why it does not place highly in the TOC.

We have instances of series placing worse than you might expect, but very, very few of a series placing higher than it deserves. Gag manga generally sell worse than battle shounen, but it isn't hard to believe Magu-chan is more popular among people voting week-to-week than, say Cop & Dolphin, (or that HSF's chapter from 8 weeks ago happened to be very well received). There is a very stark difference between Mitama ranking above Yozakura, and Elusive Samurai ranking above both Dr Stone and Black Clover.

So because Elusive Samurai came second in the TOC, we can assume with pretty high confidence that was received very (if not extremely) well. This does not mean that it will sell as well as AssClass, of course, but to say that we can't trust the TOC in a situation like this is kind of ridiculous. There isn't a reason for Jump to lie about Elusive Samurai in the TOC when they didn't for any other veteran authors (including Kishimoto, and he had a massive campaign leading up to Samurai 8).

But there's no reason to discuss this any further until we see future TOCs, since Elusive Samurai could obviously drop hard in the following weeks and this whole discussion would be pointless.
And what will happen if sales of The Elusive Samurai are not good?

Are you still going to say that Toc is reliable?

And another, if Phantom seer was canceled due to domestic popularity, what will happen if volumes continue to increase sales? it will be lost money.

I know how Toc works, but unfortunately, that has made a lot of mistakes in recent times. I remember today the first Moriking positions, thinking that the manga was being well accepted and in the end it was canceled.

The same thing with mitama, it had better positions than Yozakura and was canceled too.

In the end, what really defines a manga's survival are sales, internal popularity doesn't save a manga forever. I know that gag does not have good sales, but it still needs to have growth in sales to be worthwhile to continue or not.
 

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And what will happen if sales of The Elusive Samurai are not good?

Are you still going to say that Toc is reliable?
If Elusive Samurai gets top three every week and then bombs at volume release, then yeah that would be something to raise an eyebrow at.

If Elusive Samurai drops down to the bottom five and then bombs at volume release, the TOC placements could be summed up as "great initial reception, but it couldn't carry that momentum". This is what happened with Moriking, which had four good weeks (3-6-4-4) before dropping down to the bottom five and never really recovering.

The TOC is reliable as a rough estimate of popularity within the magazine. That can help to predict sales, but it isn't a 1-to-1. As we all know.

And another, if Phantom seer was canceled due to domestic popularity, what will happen if volumes continue to increase sales? it will be lost money.
You are throwing around a lot of "what ifs". Phantom Seer hasn't been canceled, and it doesn't show any signs of wrapping up by the next batch. If they did cancel it, yeah, that would be a bad move right now. But they haven't.

It would very definitely appear that The Elusive Samurai has great early reception. Of course, people could lose interest in it and the TOC placements could go down, but that hasn't happened yet. Let's just wait and see before we start throwing around any more "what ifs".
 

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Horikoshi the GOAT, that's absolutely amazing
 

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Seems it hasn't been said. The big announcement that Black Clover is getting after final episode airs is confirmed to be in next Jump issue.
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extra pages for Nine Dragons' Ball Parade strongly suggests and highly implies we have the next haikyuu on our hands and spells trouble for predictions made earlier.

I'll personally wait for Vol 1 sales in April but I think its 95% DOA at this point.
Same with Kowloon.
might want to redact this.
 

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Elusive samurai getting a CP? xD
 

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extra pages for Nine Dragons' Ball Parade strongly suggests and highly implies we have the next haikyuu on our hands and spells trouble for predictions made earlier.



might want to redact this.
hahaha, aw man it feels like it has been forever since I've read that.

Good to see Elusive ranking well, expecting it to sell well, even though the manga isn't my cup of tea. That means shit though as his manga generally arent.
 

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extra pages for Nine Dragons' Ball Parade strongly suggests and highly implies we have the next haikyuu on our hands and spells trouble for predictions made earlier.



might want to redact this.
And the TPGW page extension suggested we had the new Death Note on our hands?

A little more effort on the bait please.
 

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And the TPGW page extension suggested we had the new Death Note on our hands?

A little more effort on the bait please.
TGPW had a well received start and was popular, it made controversial mistakes afterwards.

I didnt say that Nine Dragons' Ball Parade is guaranteed to be the next Haikyuu as the writing could always take a nosedive.
 

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extra pages for Nine Dragons' Ball Parade strongly suggests and highly implies we have the next haikyuu on our hands
Nope. Good sign, undoubtedly, but you’re completely jumping the gun.

Dial it back, Shark.
 

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My Hero Academia LCP.

I was hoping the lead pages would have a tiny preview for volume 30 cover, and for Team Up Mission vol.2 and Vigilante vol.12 covers

anywho...with the colors pages and the volume cover I'm expecting a break for MHA soon
 

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Color pages like this really make me want to pick this series back up, since I dropped it pretty early. Yozakura has been getting a good amount of color pages recently. Elusive getting a color page is also a very good sign.
 
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