Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Stivie]

Are you sure abour that

I think that if ItellC was being canceled, the arc resolution would be different. What we saw was just the presentation of the villain.

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[pamuchi]

My Hero Academia Manga Enters 'Final Act' With Chapter 306 This Week (Updated)

Kōhei Horikoshi launched manga in 2014; anime season 5 premieres on Saturday

www.animenewsnetwork.com

 

[Lil meen]

My hero acadamia is ending way earlier than I thought it would. Honestly thought this would be a naruto length manga. Also, how long will the final arc be? My prediction is like 50-60 chapters tbh. Don’t see it ending this year. At the same time, it kind of doesn’t really have a lot to reveal. I guess there can be a father of deku reveal maybe. But man, didn’t see this coning felt like this would be at least a decade long series.

 

[galaxy-juice]

My hero acadamia is ending way earlier than I thought it would. Honestly thought this would be a naruto length manga. Also, how long will the final arc be? My prediction is like 50-60 chapters tbh. Don’t see it ending this year. At the same time, it kind of doesn’t really have a lot to reveal. I guess there can be a father of deku reveal maybe. But man, didn’t see this coning felt like this would be at least a decade long series.

Without going into plot-specific details, the previous arc was ~50 chapters, and this "final act" has to execute on more plot threads, at a larger scale, with more characters, than that arc did (unless Horkoshi simply decides to shaft all of the side characters completely).

I'm going to say 80 chapters at the very least, plus however many chapters Horikoshi uses for an epilogue arc.

After tracing those sources back, the Japanese they use for "final arc" is "終章", but is it possible that this could mean "final saga"? Viz translated the chapter as "final act", after all, so I'm wondering if it's possible MHA has a little longer than we're thinking.

 

[SharkBait]

think its 2-3years max, horikoshi is relatively fast paced, also I dont think its THAT many plot threads.

Not like we have a BLEACH THOUSAND YEAR BLOOD WAR thing going on where a new group of baddies are being introduced

 

[Minsel]

Shoseki 3/21
**1 Jujutsu Kaisen 15
*31 Chainsaw Man 11
*81 Jujutsu Kaisen Official FanBook
101 MASHLE 5
234 Mission: Yozakura Family 7
238 We Never Learn 21
245 Ayakashi Triangle 3
311 Undead Unluck 5

Yozakura beating out WNL, Ayakashi and UU :O

 

[savethecat]

Feel like MHA will definitely end in 100ish chapters or so.(about 2 years)
Don’t really get all of the people confidently saying “Part 2 is coming”, and guessing title change possibities. The series is clearly trying to close plot threads, rather than adding them.
Horikoshi himself was recently said “the manga will be reach it’s conclusion soon”, and the new chapter blatantly saying

Spoiler

the final act begins

.

Idk, it’s seems like the more popularly opinion that this is the start of “MHA Shippuden” everywhere I go

 

[Koni]

Feel like MHA will definitely end in 100ish chapters or so.(about 2 years)
Don’t really get all of the people confidently saying “Part 2 is coming”, and guessing title change possibities. The series is clearly trying to close plot threads, rather than adding them.
Horikoshi himself was recently said “the manga will be reach it’s conclusion soon”, and the new chapter blatantly saying

Spoiler

the final act begins

.

Idk, it’s seems like the more popularly opinion that this is the start of “MHA Shippuden” everywhere I go

I mean Shippuden was essentially Part 2 of the Naruto manga, like how Dragon Ball Z was essentially part 2 of the Dragon Ball manga. It was really an anime only thing. IMO they were called that because they marked drastic shifts in tone for the series, becoming more serious and darker. If we go by that definition, then I think HeroAca has absolutely reached its Shippuden phase.

 

[4Eyes]

There's nothing to be shocked about I tell c changes. We saw it earlier with Dr. Stone.

Throw away what doesn't work and pretend it's a prologue. Let's see if it works with this one like it did with Stone.

 

[savethecat]

I mean Shippuden was essentially Part 2 of the Naruto manga, like how Dragon Ball Z was essentially part 2 of the Dragon Ball manga. It was really an anime only thing. IMO they were called that because they marked drastic shifts in tone for the series, becoming more serious and darker. If we go by that definition, then I think HeroAca has absolutely reached its Shippuden phase.

I am more so speaking in terms of length for the series, not the tone.
Horikoshi has recently stated “the manga will be reaching its conclusion soon”
The title of this chapter.
He stated back in like 2016 the series was a quarter of the way done.

At this point it’s extremely clear that he probably plans on wrapping the series up in a year or 2.

I’m speaking on ppl saying “This is MHA Shippuden, so it’s probably gonna keep going for another 5-10 years”, because Shonen fans typically associate stuff like this as “the halfway point”

 

[Rain Spectre]

I have to wonder why people base every assumption on narrative progression of manga based purely off word regarding the Big Three and not, like, the actual stories.

 

[TheEnhancedExe]

I have to wonder why people base every assumption on narrative progression of manga based purely off word regarding the Big Three and not, like, the actual stories.

Probably because they want manga like MHA or BC to be a replacement for the big three, so they want those series reach a similar length. Meanwhile they end up ignoring the hints from the manga itself that the series won't go on for as long, because they don't want it to end. They're the people that expect the mangaka to write the story in the way they want and they're usually the first to complain if the mangaka moves away from where they wanted the story to go.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Probably because they want manga like MHA or BC to be a replacement for the big three, so they want those series reach a similar length. Meanwhile they end up ignoring the hints from the manga itself that the series won't go on for as long, because they don't want it to end. They're the people that expect the mangaka to write the story in the way they want and they're usually the first to complain if the mangaka moves away from where they wanted the story to go.

That baffles me especially given that the Big Three didn't achieve its length through scale of its story; One Piece's arcs are very episodic, and Naruto and Bleach stretched their arcs out massively despite the stories being nowhere near that scale. There is no reason a fully serialized narrative like MHA or JJK should run 15 years just because of some vague definition of fan culture.

Learn to appreciate art, yeesh.

 

[Newkerzy]

Without going into plot-specific details, the previous arc was ~50 chapters, and this "final act" has to execute on more plot threads, at a larger scale, with more characters, than that arc did (unless Horkoshi simply decides to shaft all of the side characters completely).

I'm going to say 80 chapters at the very least, plus however many chapters Horikoshi uses for an epilogue arc.

After tracing those sources back, the Japanese they use for "final arc" is "終章", but is it possible that this could mean "final saga"? Viz translated the chapter as "final act", after all, so I'm wondering if it's possible MHA has a little longer than we're thinking.

I think this is probably the more plausible explanation. This is more likely “Part 3” of the series.

Part 1: “U.A. Beginnings”
Part 2: “Rise of Villains”
Part 3: Currently

At best, I see MHA Ending in 2.5 years, ending just short of a few months of its 10th anniversary.

 

[Serinox]

I mean Shippuden was essentially Part 2 of the Naruto manga, like how Dragon Ball Z was essentially part 2 of the Dragon Ball manga. It was really an anime only thing. IMO they were called that because they marked drastic shifts in tone for the series, becoming more serious and darker.

Btw, the reason for Dragon Ball Z was so that they would get more money for promotion due to starting a "new" television series, according to a 2016 interview with Torishima, the editor for DB at the time.

“All of this was great timing as we had all these staff changes happening in the animation as well. The new anime producer also was very smart and said that if we had a new title, in that Dragon Ball would finish and we'd start a new show, then that meant the anime would get more money for promotion.

 

[Ike79]

Since vomics seem to have died down recently (the youtube channel is doing a MHA recap series at the moment), I think it's a good idea to summarize recent activity so that we can keep it in mind as the newbies debut and new series get announced.

First of all, let's start with newbies performance, from oldest to newest:
- BUILD KING: PV 31k, vomic 43k
- Sakamoto Days: PV 51k, vomic 1398k
- Elusive Samurai: PV 132k, vomic 156k
- I tell c: PV 32k, no vomic
- Witch Watch: PV 233k, vomic 40k
- Kowloon: PV 10k, vomic 10k
Sakamoto's success in this front has already been pointed out. It's the most successfull vomic so far, and Suzuki's other one-shots have performed really well too. This, together with recent colour pages and ToC positions, makes it quite a promising newcomer. Expectations are high for Vol. 1 release in April.
If we restrict ourselves to vomics released this year (from Magu-chan's 2nd onwards), the view quartiles lie at 23K, 37k and 75k. This should put the performance of the most recent newbies into perspective: Elusive Samurai is the best of the bunch (only surpassed by Matsui's own F-Ken) and magazine performance seems to match, while Witch Watch is more middle of the road, which is especially disappointing after one of the best performing PVs ever.
On the other hand, Kowloon has one of the worst performances ever. For reference, the vomic came out March 1st and it only has managed to rack up 10k views (and day to day growth is pretty minimal). Meanwhile, High School Family, a Jump sales failure probably on its way out) released 12 days afterwards and currently has more than twice its views.
I tell c is the only newbie that hasn't received a vomic. Before jumping into conclusions I would point out that its first volume is currently slated for late april (earlier than all others), so maybe they are waiting to realease with the new volume.

Another potentially interesting aspect is using vomics to see if they can provide any indication of who will draw the new series in the magazine. It has happened once before (with Yuto Suzuki's Cropse Dirstric) that vomics were released for jump-authors-to-be.
Since then, vomics have fallen into one of 3 categories:
- Vomics for new series in Jump or, more recently, Jump+ (starting with Build King, they have come out around chapter 3).
- Vomics for authors that were releasing a new volume (see Furudate, Pozuka-Shirai or Fujimoto one-shots)
- Vomics for stablished authors that have started a new series (see Matsui's F-Ken or Phantom Seer Duo's vampire one-shot).

However there are a couple of vomics that don't fall onto any category:
- There have been a bunch of voiced romcom one-shots, including Takahide's First-time Honeytrap or Date's Gal Family. Due to the fact that they are from different authors and spaced out in time, I don't think this means anything other than the fact that Jump is interested in a new romcom. You could put Blue Box into this category too.
- We also have two authors that have received vomics in quick succession but are not currently working on any projects: Shuichi Aso (Saiki) and Momose Nao (Popo)
This might mean that these two are going to start a new series soon, potentially in Jump.

 

[SharkBait]

I have to wonder why people base every assumption on narrative progression of manga based purely off word regarding the Big Three and not, like, the actual stories.

lack of variety in reading material for most readers gives only a limited subset with materials to compare it to.

Shippuden comparison and Dragonball comparison doesnt make much sense based on time scales and focus and content (db was the son's story, shippuden was post two year training) BLeach could make sense on the war theme idea.

-mha-

on its own, it made sense to use horikoshi words or go without a comparison as you say.

Remaining length is probably best determined on how many successor quirks Deku still has to unlock, imo.

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- Sakamoto Days: PV 51k, vomic 1398k

Did voice cast play a major role here? How its exponentially higher than its pv makes one wonder if its not the actual manga/story people are interested in especially in context of how the other series vomics have done.

Cause other wise this might could be a major hit that sells more than every new series combined and then some on debut.

 

[Ike79]

Did voice cast play a major role here? How its exponentially higher than its pv makes one wonder if its not the actual manga/story people are interested in especially in context of how the other series vomics have done.

Cause other wise this might could be a major hit that sells more than every new series combined and then some on debut.

To my understanding, the only vomic that didn't use unknowns is the recent Nayuta of the Prophecy (Fujimoto's one-shot). Or at the very least that's the only one that promoted VAs in its title.

 

[Xzone]

I mean, Kimetsu with way less characters and villains, in his 'final arc' was like 14 month so MHA could end with 2 years , maybe 3.

 

[DDed]

I have a question: does it says that Dragon Ball and YYH will have a special magazine JUMP Best scene TOP 10 on May 1st this year?
Because I remembered next year is YYH 30th anniversary
And I had a feeling that next year for YYH is announcing the cast for the upcoming Japanese Netflix LA