Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Neala897]

I have a question: does it says that Dragon Ball and YYH will have a special magazine JUMP Best scene TOP 10 on May 1st this year?
Because I remembered next year is YYH 30th anniversary
And I had a feeling that next year for YYH is announcing the cast for the upcoming Japanese Netflix LA

What Jump top 10 is even about?

 

[Koni]

I've been seeing HeroAca as a story in three acts for a while now. Without spoiling anything, Act One lasts from Chapter 1 to Chapter 95 or 97, and Act Two lasted from Chapter 98 till now. So I'll assume Act Three, which began either this week or next week, will last somewhere in the middle.

So I'll say MHA has about three years. Would be real cool to end it on the series's 10th anniversary in 2024. I'm more confident that HeroAca will have finished running in the magazine by thre end of 2025.

...my goodness, One Piece might actually outlive HeroAca.

Hell, let's expand things - the way I see it, I don't think Dr. Stone, Jujutsu Kaisen, HeroAca or Black Clover will live to see the end of 2025. One Piece might, but I'm still uncertain. That's still 3 years out, for sure, but things are definitely going to be changing again soon like they have in 2016 and 2020. I hope the magazine will be ready by then.

 

[DDed]

What Jump top 10 is even about?

My guess: as their own celebrated their anniversary, they announced something like a "Watchmojo version" of top 10 best scenes

 

[Neala897]

My guess: as their own celebrated their anniversary, they announced something like a "Watchmojo version" of top 10 best scenes

Kenshin doesnt have anniversary this year though

 

[lgrmjauffre]

I have a question: does it says that Dragon Ball and YYH will have a special magazine JUMP Best scene TOP 10 on May 1st this year?
Because I remembered next year is YYH 30th anniversary
And I had a feeling that next year for YYH is announcing the cast for the upcoming Japanese Netflix LA

No, Yu Yu Hakusho and Dragon Ball have already had theirs. They were just saying that "like these series that already had one", Rurouni Kenshin will also have one, and that it comes out on May 1st.

 

[DDed]

No, Yu Yu Hakusho and Dragon Ball have already had theirs. They were just saying that "like these series that already had one", Rurouni Kenshin will also have one, and that it comes out on May 1st.

Ok, thank you

 

[susanoo13]

Kenshin doesnt have anniversary this year though

It does. The anime has a 25th anniversary.

 

[Aeneas]

 

[Wookitake]

Does any of the current non-animated manga have the power to be a MHA replacement if it ends in like 2/3 years or should we expect something that has around 50/100 chapters by then to be the main substitute (and therefore still not released)?

Mashle is great but a bit too extra to fulfill this role. UU is also great but it's a different dynamic as well. I guess in some sense this spiritual sucessor might be 8K? Not on jump, but by MHA's ending it should have an anime already.

And I have not yet mentioned that BC, Dr. Stone (or even JJK, I don't know because I don't read nit) might end by that time as well.

Maybe the answer is Elusive...or even PS if it finally catches a break and advances in the TOC. Last few chapters have been niiiiice.

 

[SharkBait]

Does any of the current non-animated manga have the power to be a MHA replacement if it ends in like 2/3 years or should we expect something that has around 50/100 chapters by then to be the main substitute (and therefore still not released)?

Mashle is great but a bit too extra to fulfill this role. UU is also great but it's a different dynamic as well. I guess in some sense this spiritual sucessor might be 8K? Not on jump, but by MHA's ending it should have an anime already.

And I have not yet mentioned that BC, Dr. Stone (or even JJK, I don't know because I don't read nit) might end by that time as well.

Maybe the answer is Elusive...or even PS if it finally catches a break and advances in the TOC. Last few chapters have been niiiiice.

I think Mashle and Yozakura have the potential become massive successes upon animation. Mashle especially since overpowered lead characters who just wanna have friends resonate with people (see misfit demon king academy).

Elusive Samurai is divisive, time period limits it, its not as sophisticated and masterful as Kingdom, ES writing is a little subpar.

 

[galaxy-juice]

Does any of the current non-animated manga have the power to be a MHA replacement if it ends in like 2/3 years or should we expect something that has around 50/100 chapters by then to be the main substitute (and therefore still not released)?

None of the current series for sure. Jump has a noticeable lack of "traditional" battle shonen right now... Jump has a noticeable lack of a lot of things right now, when it comes to established series.

Honestly it depends on what you mean by a "MHA replacement" though.
Mashle has the potential to be big, but I don't think anyone is going to compare it to MHA. It could end up being a stable million-seller, though, if that's what you mean. But other than that, the next pillars of Jump are probably series we haven't seen yet (or even TES, depending on the next few weeks).

Which reminds me, I might be crazy, but didn't the editorial mention that there going to be a certain amazing or revolutionary manga that was going to debut in 2021? I remember it coming up when TES debuted, but I don't know if it was confirmed to be that series or if I hallucinated the whole thing.

 

[tirakai]

Mashle's definitely the one building up to become the next big battle shounen. Whether it'll actually get there or reach Black Clover/Dr Stone levels at most is yet to be seen but I can see it going either way.

Undead however strikes me as the Medaka Box/Beelzebub type, something with a bit of a smaller fanbase that really love it but never catching on quite as wide as the major hits. Yozakura I think could actually end up bigger than Undead with a really well handled anime, but not as big as MHA.

That said, Kimetsu no Yaiba seemed like it would get just to the BC/Stone level before the anime aired so you never know.

 

[Minsel]

Shoseki 3/15-3/21

#1 JJK
#32 CSM
#88 MASHLE
#147 WNL
#215 Ayakashi
#270 Undead Unluck
#301 Yozakura

30位36800/50位18000/100位11500/200位5950/300位4000/400位2950/500位2350

estimated sales
MASHLE = 13,060
WNL = 8,891
Ayakashi = 5,657
Undead Unluck = 4,585
Yozakura = 3,989

 

[Shokkii]

That baffles me especially given that the Big Three didn't achieve its length through scale of its story; One Piece's arcs are very episodic, and Naruto and Bleach stretched their arcs out massively despite the stories being nowhere near that scale. There is no reason a fully serialized narrative like MHA or JJK should run 15 years just because of some vague definition of fan culture.

Learn to appreciate art, yeesh.

I always thought one of the reasons people love One Piece so much is that everything is connected with each other on some type of level.
I feel like that is a problem with a lot of 20+ volume manga but it's also part of the appeal I guess.

To be fair Gege and Horikoshi grow up idolizing the big three and it's very apparent in their works. I am pretty sure Horikoshi even said in an interveiw that Kubo, Oda and Kishimoto are his heroes. They are both writing manga in the same type of genre now. So I don't think it's too far off to think/expect that they are going for something similar in terms of length.

 

[Rain Spectre]

I always thought one of the reasons people love One Piece so much is that everything is connected with each other on some type of level.
I feel like that is a problem with a lot of 20+ volume manga but it's also part of the appeal I guess.

To be fair Gege and Horikoshi grow up idolizing the big three and it's very apparent in their works. I am pretty sure Horikoshi even said in an interveiw that Kubo, Oda and Kishimoto are his heroes. They are both writing manga in the same type of genre now. So I don't think it's too far off to think/expect that they are going for something similar in terms of length.

One Piece has a lot of connective tissue, but nearly every actual arc has its own highly individualized setting, characters and narrative that is told in the arc itself. The Straw Hats are basically the only constant in the series, which contrasts with how other, more modern battle manga tells arcs as pieces of a larger serial.

As for the length thing...that's genuinely absurd. General consensus from JP fans who I've talked to is that Naruto's insane length for a single serial made it near inpenetratable as it went on. I highly doubt that facet of it would be a source of inspiration for authors.

 

[Ebrietas-]

One Piece has a lot of connective tissue, but nearly every actual arc has its own highly individualized setting, characters and narrative that is told in the arc itself. The Straw Hats are basically the only constant in the series, which contrasts with how other, more modern battle manga tells arcs as pieces of a larger serial.

As for the length thing...that's genuinely absurd. General consensus from JP fans who I've talked to is that Naruto's insane length for a single serial made it near inpenetratable as it went on. I highly doubt that facet of it would be a source of inspiration for authors.

Straw hats are definitely not the only constant in the series lmao and while the arcs have very distinct settings OP is in no way episodic. You can't skip dressrosa or marineford and understand whats happening in wano.

You know all of this anyway but it just doesn't fit the big 3 vs modern narrative you've been obsessively on for years now.

 

[Wookitake]

Which reminds me, I might be crazy, but didn't the editorial mention that there going to be a certain amazing or revolutionary manga that was going to debut in 2021? I remember it coming up when TES debuted, but I don't know if it was confirmed to be that series or if I hallucinated the whole thing.

Interested in this, hoping for it to be not just an hallucination

 

[Tanzo]

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jujutsukaisen-movie.jp

Jujutsu joins the movie gang it seems.

 

[SharkBait]

would jump #18 have jujutsu kaisen cover then

 

[tirakai]

I wonder if it'll be about v0, It's an ideal length for a movie and wouldn't really fit into a particular point of the anime.

And speaking of movies, I'm curious to see what the big Black Clover announcement is. I think it's meant to be on the 30th? But I imagine we'll at least get a teaser of what they'll announce in the next issue even though it releases on the 29th.