Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Stivie]

Disagree. Magu-chan adds diversity and uniqueness to the magazine catering to fans of a genre that aren't served by other series. Its comedy mixed with lighthearted drama is a breath of fresh air that other series lack.

A reader of Phantom Seer is already being catered too by many other serious action series in the magazine, a Magu-chan reader has what else to read...nothing.

Well, this "diversity and exclusivity" of magu chan is not working, seeing how he sells.
7 comedy manga bring no diversity and exclusivity.
Only I tell C, Nine dragons and The elusive samurai bring diversity, but I doubt that I tell C and nine dragons would have the same treatment as magu chan.
The only thing that magu chan brings is harm.

 

[savethecat]

Well, this "diversity and exclusivity" of magu chan is not working, seeing how he sells.
7 comedy manga bring no diversity and exclusivity.
Only I tell C, Nine dragons and The elusive samurai bring diversity, but I doubt that I tell C and nine dragons would have the same treatment as magu chan.
The only thing that magu chan brings is harm.

There’s no need to attack other series due to the series you like ending

 

[Stivie]

There’s no need to attack other series due to the series you like ending

It is not a question of attacking another series or not.

I can see that an injustice has happened, I can disagree with it.

I'm sorry for magu chan fans but it's the truth.

 

[suzume029]

Not gonna lie, as someone who adores PS, I am strangely relieved if it does end soon. It's rather disheartening to see it near the bottom all the time. PS speculation and doomposting is my favourite suspense genre, it was getting pretty exhausting every week, lol.

At the end of the day, this is how I see it: whatever happens, there's no denying that the series got me to start making art again after months of severe burnout. A while ago I would be pretty upset at the news, but now I'm just glad it exists, I'm glad it inspired me and other people, and I'm glad others found enjoyment in it as well. That is enough for me.

With that said, all of this, the circulation number, the climax announcement, the timing of it, all feel a little bit odd? I was under the impression that a new serialization round isn't due out in another month or two. Wouldn't be surprised if the authors decided to end it themselves, and if they did, yeah, I understand.

 

[Felcis]

No reason to bash Magu-chan to defend PhantomSeer. Both are good series and neither deserves to be canned.
Magu is one of the best comedy series WSJ had in years, quality-wise, and sells OK for its genre, especially considering the underprinting it got in the past.

Phantom Seer did everything right for a series of its kind (aside from not instantly using that hot-ass beast-hybrid girl more, come on!) and sells very well. So I can only assume that there is more behind it already going into the final arc. Either the creators WANTING to end it or some alternative future for the series outside of WSJ.
Especially with bombs like DolphinCop and BuildKing in the roster...

But good to see that the bad "SEE? TOC MATTER MORE THAN SALES!"-takes are still a mainstay in these forums, maybe forgetting that TOC are the result of many factors and not even always reflecting success/priority by rank.

 

[Stivie]

Jump lost 7 of its most important manga last year (KnY, TPN, yuuna, haikyuu, act age, WnL and Chainsaw man).
And there are other manga that have a deadline to end, boku no hero and jujutsu.
So far, mashle is the only one that suppresses the absence of these manga, but even he is not enough.
Just because of that is already a reason to keep phantom seer, after all sales were similar to undead unluck.

 

[dokideku]

Since this is not making sense at all, i'm gonna wait until the chapter and more info to know what's going on lmao I genuinely think it's just the ending of this arc but there's really no way to know since I'm not fluent in japanese so it's better to wait with no expectations: if its truly the end there's nothing we can do and if it's not then is gonna be a nice surprise! I honestly adore PS, makes my Sunday mornings so I'm hoping for a good outcome here. If people liked it or not it's honestly a little irrelevant in my eyes bc i enjoyed it and that's enough for me, but I understand that there could be more things to it in the business aspect if the ending is near. I think what people in this forum need to realize is that if a random person doesn't like what you like you just have to shrug and keep going lol not like it's gonna affect the way you enjoy the series. But that's just me.

back to the mag talk, i do think and agree that it's weird to celebrate the series in one issue and in the next one drop news like this. It's not clicking, so that's why I believe there's still a chance that the message was misinterpreted and it's actually climax of the arc

 

[Jovan]

Another thing I want to add to all this PS talk is that 23p increase doesn't show up in the preview spread page for the next issue at all. Which is genuinely interesting, as that indicates they have no intentions to give any importance to it.

Rest in peace Phantom Seer. I assume the final stage means it won't end next issue, but in few chapters.

 

[savethecat]

It is not a question of attacking another series or not.

I can see that an injustice has happened, I can disagree with it.

I'm sorry for magu chan fans but it's the truth.

You keep ignoring all the other logical post explain that “Ending doesn’t always equate to cancellation”.

They never say why a series ends, or that it’s cancelled, thought usually that is the case.

As someone pointed out in the last page Sunday mangaka, and mangaka in other magazines are pretty open about saying
“I ended the series myself cause I wasn’t feeling it anymore”
“I was sick and felt it was better to just end the series”
We just don’t get that often get full explanations from Jump mangaka.
For a while ppl kept claiming Bleach was axed, when Kubo has said multiple times that he was having health issues at the time and just found it best to end the series, which explains why it felt rushed.

Others itt are even pointing out how weird is that the series is getting a “Entering it’s final phase” message from editorial, and that it’s feels a little different than your typical “axe”, and that maybe something else is going on here that we don’t know about it.

You just keep repeatedly saying “This is an injustice! And it’s unfair”, and “Nak is a hack, and incompetent! How is Magu-Chan not getting axed”, when for all we know the two mangaka could have just wanted to end it themselves.
For all we know someone may have family issues, or health issues. Maybe they’re having trouble with their scheduling and find it best to just end it. Maybe they have another idea that they’re more passionate about, and both them and Jump have enough faith and that to let them move on. Or maybe it’s just axed.

We don’t know, and probably never will know. But that’s just part of following a Jump series. You can get attached to a series only for it to end in 25 chapters. There’s no sense in getting worked up over it. This happens all the time in the magazine. New series will come, and better yet, both writer and artist are highly likely to return to the magazine(even if they don’t come back duo’d with each other)

 

[SharkBait]

back to the mag talk, i do think and agree that it's weird to celebrate the series in one issue and in the next one drop news like this.

i think the celebrate thing would be more of a concern if it was a color page saying thanks for the popularity, not, just a tiny editor line under a panel that could easily be overlooked.

 

[Stivie]

You keep ignoring all the other logical post explain that “Ending doesn’t always equate to cancellation”.

They never say why a series ends, or that it’s cancelled, thought usually that is the case.

As someone pointed out in the last page Sunday mangaka, and mangaka in other magazines are pretty open about saying
“I ended the series myself cause I wasn’t feeling it anymore”
“I was sick and felt it was better to just end the series”
We just don’t get that often get full explanations from Jump mangaka.
For a while ppl kept claiming Bleach was axed, when Kubo has said multiple times that he was having health issues at the time and just found it best to end the series, which explains why it felt rushed.

Others itt are even pointing out how weird is that the series is getting a “Entering it’s final phase” message from editorial, and that it’s feels a little different than your typical “axe”, and that maybe something else is going on here that we don’t know about it.

You just keep repeatedly saying “This is an injustice! And it’s unfair”, and “Nak is a hack, and incompetent! How is Magu-Chan not getting axed”, when for all we know the two mangaka could have just wanted to end it themselves.
For all we know someone may have family issues, or health issues. Maybe they’re having trouble with their scheduling and find it best to just end it. Maybe they have another idea that they’re more passionate about, and both them and Jump have enough faith and that to let them move on. Or maybe it’s just axed.

We don’t know, and probably never will know. But that’s just part of following a Jump series. You can get attached to a series only for it to end in 25 chapters. There’s no sense in getting worked up over it. This happens all the time in the magazine. New series will come, and better yet, both writer and artist are highly likely to return to the magazine(even if they don’t come back duo’d with each other)

Without giving spoiler to Phantom seer, but there was a lot to be explained and solved in the manga.

So this is ending abruptly, which resembles a cancellation. I say this because I was following it all Sunday.

And don't worry, I promise I will not "attack", any other series, I will talk only about phantom seer and the jump attitude regarding the manga.

 

[dokideku]

i think the celebrate thing would be more of a concern if it was a color page saying thanks for the popularity, not, just a tiny editor line under a panel that could easily be overlooked.

hmm, I'll have to disagree, this subject looks like its a "is the glass full or empty" case. Behind a color page there are more logistics than just an announcement. Starting from the artist's time, and matsuura's work has a lot of quality for a weekly work. Can't just knock his door and say "hey we need a color page for this", adding to that the schedule of the magazine. To try and give a negative aspect to such good news as the 100k copies in circulation is a reach, quite the big one.

 

[SharkBait]

hmm, I'll have to disagree, this subject looks like its a "is the glass full or empty" case. Behind a color page there are more logistics than just an announcement. Starting from the artist's time, and matsuura's work has a lot of quality for a weekly work. Can't just knock his door and say "hey we need a color page for this", adding to that the schedule of the magazine. To try and give a negative aspect to such good news as the 100k copies in circulation is a reach, quite the big one.

I think its more of a statement of how JUMP just didn't care to promote it like the other series.

 

[DreamcastDazia]

You see some people insist that first two movies canon due Kohei using some canon elements. I hope this movie will put something right in their brains

The first 2 movies ARE canon. This one most likely isn't though...

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 27, 2021, Original Post Date: Mar 27, 2021 ---

HUH?!?! WHAT

 

[dokideku]

I think its more of a statement of how JUMP just didn't care to promote it like the other series.

ah, i see (sorry, english is not my main language, didn't mean to misunderstand) it's true though, it really looked like there was neglect for the series but since we don't know all metrics its hard to confirm without falling in the conspiracy narrative. Just hope this situation isn't the outcome of all those weeks of neglect big sigh

 

[Neala897]

The first 2 movies ARE canon. This one most likely isn't though...

You know I had enough of this in bnha thread. Lets just say this - if you have seen enough anime movies as those you should realise reasons why they simply CANT be canon. Have a nice day

 

[suzume029]

The 100k circulation number was immediately follows by a statement that volume 3 is coming out on 4/30, so it could just be a way for them to promote the new volume. It is still odd to include that number, and the book is still an entire month out, so maybe the series' editor had soft spot for it, knew it was ending (for whatever reason), and was trying to drum up interest for the volume release and the authors' potential return in the future? We don't know, we're likely to never know, but dang I'm actually more interested in what happened behind the scenes for this series than in any story running in Jump right now, heh.

 

[Stivie]

The 100k circulation number was immediately follows by a statement that volume 3 is coming out on 4/30, so it could just be a way for them to promote the new volume. It is still odd to include that number, and the book is still an entire month out, so maybe the series' editor had soft spot for it, knew it was ending (for whatever reason), and was trying to drum up interest for the volume release and the authors' potential return in the future? We don't know, we're likely to never know, but dang I'm actually more interested in what happened behind the scenes for this series than in any story running in Jump right now, heh.

I hope there is a logical explanation for all of this.
Because this is a lack of respect with which I bought the manga, and followed it up in the magazine.

 

[Serinox]

Haven't we had this discussion ten times before that Jump is using this version of "climax" (Kanji with the reading given in Katakana for the English word climax, クライマックス) mostly for the end of a series? At least, that's what I remember.

With the bottom TOC positions, I can very much believe the series will end soon.

 

[Stivie]

Haven't we had this discussion ten times before that Jump is using this version of "climax" (Kanji with the reading given in Katakana for the English word climax, クライマックス) mostly for the end of a series? At least, that's what I remember.

With the bottom TOC positions, I can very much believe the series will end soon.

But the discussion is not whether it will end or not. But why it's being canceled.
Because people have gone so far as to say that sales are no more important than voting, but seeing the magazine's current situation, losing phantom seer is a mistake.