Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

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Quite a few chapters last week that felt similar to the week before. That’s not a bad thing, it just means I don’t have much new to say about them, so I’ll just do the ones that were different (enough).

Ball Parade: The symbolism is strong in this one. I liked that they offered a real solution to his real problem, instead of just inspiring him to rediscover his love for baseball or some shit. Anyway, it looks like this one’s in the bag, looking forward to the next meeting.

WW: I liked the ‘monster face’ scene. I did not like the little brats, but at least she apologised. The mystery figure at the end has me intrigued.

I tell c: … The hell? Is that why they kept talking about two detectives? Because the other one was only in the story for this? Either way, I’m not feeling it. The first ***** was kind of contrived but still passable, the second one was pure tear-jerking and it doesn’t work because we barely know these characters and the reactions feel scripted (to me). Also, why are they even blaming Aioi for this? None of this was her fault, but they are choosing this time to suddenly have a problem with her?

Mashle: Strong emotional moment there. The proportions are getting a bit ridiculous though, Mash’ feet shouldn’t be twice as big as his head (and those yaoi hands o_o…). I was not expecting a Sound of Music reference here.

Dr stone: WHY did you not plan for this? And why aren’t you using Xeno as a hostage if you know they lost contact? My suspension of disbelief isn’t broken yet, but it’s starting to feel like a lot of people are acting more stupid than usual for the sake of drama, and that’s a dangerous thing to do in a series that hinges on the intellect of its characters.

C&D: I did not expect Gundams in this. I’m on board though.

Black Clover: Great chapter title. I liked most of the story, though the all too predictable ending was a bit of a let-down.

PS: This one is the opposite. The story is a bit more standard, but the ending worked much better for me. I really liked the use of dark and light for atmosphere here.

MHA: “The final act begins”, huh? I liked most of the chapter, but not the ending. It feels like we skipped some parts, and I hate that he’s leaving everyone behind. The students and their development was the best part about this manga, and now it looks like the rest of the series will be about a lone hero fighting gruesome war battles… If I was paying for this series, this is the point where I’d consider dropping it.

Sakamoto: Not bad, but a tad too over-the-top for my taste.

UU: Who wants what now? I’m so confused.

HSF: Whatever works for you.

It's incredible how much this series about building doesn't want to show any building(s), even on the cover.

"Climax & 23 p increase" sounds like the conclusion of the current fight to me. But we'll see.
 

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So you have not been paying attention to this very thread, where some users are still unsure if it ends or not.
Well, they are not wrong to be in doubt, after all I believe that it is difficult to translate the Japanese language.
 

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Nah because wtf. Phantom Seer deserved way better. This feels really unfair, it doesn’t sit right with me
 

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The jump will go bankrupt in May. I say this because since Honomieru is going to be "finalized" the sales of the 3rd volume no longer matter so much.

And now there are only Undead Unluck, Mashle, Yozakura and I tell C. Mashle will have excellent sales but the others are the problem.

I don't think Undead and Yozakura will exceed 70K and I tell C is anybody's guess, we don't know if this one will be alive until May, the manga may go very badly or surprise.

I think it's weird that it was put up for sale before The elusive samurai and Witch Watch.
 

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It's incredible how much this series about building doesn't want to show any building(s), even on the cover.
Thats just shima's style. The first volume of Toriko was just Toriko's face
 

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So much for my prediction from a few days ago I suppose. orz

It’s definitely not just an arc ending, I don’t think I’ve ever seen 最終 used in any other context than a series finale. It’s not impossible that the duo could be moving to J+ for a continuation like what happened with CSM, but it’s pretty hard to spin this as anything other than this series’s run in WSJ ending; if either of them do transfer it would probably for a different serialization, even though I think a J+ transfer would be great for the series (if it’s selling well but not surveying that would indicate it’s mostly non-WSJ buyers that like it and thus it would make sense to be on a more widely accessible platform). It’s a bummer for sure, definitely seems like a misstep given how well it’s been selling. However, as much as I agree based on what we’ve seen that Nakano probably has a gag bias, I highly doubt that’s the entire reason for it ending, especially given how it’s actually getting some kind of announcement unlike most cancelled series that just end unceremoniously with no warning. The editorial obviously notices its unexpected success. I’m inclined to think the reasoning might at least in part be due to some of the other suggestions from this thread regarding the author or artist or both. We might never know, but this treatment is too different from other series that are simply axed for me to think it’s only because “editorial doesn’t like it.”

Anyway, I don’t think it’s ending next issue. I think the notice means it’s got like 3-5 chapters left to wrap up. If the actual ending was next chapter it would probably say 最終回 or something along those lines rather than moving toward the finale/climax. I also don’t understand people saying “why are they keeping x worse performing series over this” because I don’t see any of those besides Roboco lasting longer than the summer batch anyway. Cop and Dolphin and Build King are probably ending alongside PS (I think incoming batch will be after the golden week double issue, and it will be Dolphin, PS and BK ending in that order because of chronology). Most likely the most it’s doing for HSF and Magu is giving them an extra few months. So there’s really no reason to scapegoat anything else here in my opinion. Either way, this might just be one of the most mysterious endings/cancellations in recent WSJ history. As a Magu fan grappling with the likely reality I sympathize with y’all PS fans, I hope you get the good ending you deserve, and I hope the duo find an even bigger success in the future.
 

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Ah frikk!!! I just realized the worst of this news! What am I supposed to do with my Kurose x Roboco ship????? :gwah

Man, and here I was preparing myself for a sudden BK ending and then this came outta nowhere...
 

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Really enjoyed Phantom Seer, but my only gripe was that it was sorta just another exorcist series. While it sucks that that Phantom Seer is ending, I'm a little excited that the duo could potentially come back with something even better and more unique..

Obviously can't predict the future, but given that now they've gained a bit of fanbase with Phantom Seer, their potential next series could potentially have a bit of hype around it.
 

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Really enjoyed Phantom Seer, but my only gripe was that it was sorta just another exorcist series. While it sucks that that Phantom Seer is ending, I'm a little excited that the duo could potentially come back with something even better and more unique..

Obviously can't predict the future, but given that now they've gained a bit of fanbase with Phantom Seer, their potential next series could potentially have a bit of hype around it.
If the pair returns I hope it will be in another magazine, because this treatment was very bad. Any other, Kodansha or Sunday would have treated phantom seer like a king.

Of course, we don't know what happens inside the magazine, but until the truth is revealed, we can't disagree with that choice.
 

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If the pair returns I hope it will be in another magazine, because this treatment was very bad. Any other, Kodansha or Sunday would have treated phantom seer like a king.

Of course, we don't know what happens inside the magazine, but until the truth is revealed, we can't disagree with that choice.
We don't even know if they were mistreated...
 

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You know I had enough of this in bnha thread. Lets just say this - if you have seen enough anime movies as those you should realise reasons why they simply CANT be canon. Have a nice day
Jesus the sass level on this is unreal, just add heart emoji with stars coming out and you will be like those 14 year old twitter girls who are deprived of happiness. I dont know where i read it but Kohei himself said that the movie where there is an All Might flashback is canon as he couldnt fit it into the manga, he himself said it is canon, i cant say much for the both but at least 1 movie is canon. And obviously i cant remember the source as i look at 1k things and dont save em all
 

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Jesus the sass level on this is unreal, just add heart emoji with stars coming out and you will be like those 14 year old twitter girls who are deprived of happiness. I dont know where i read it but Kohei himself said that the movie where there is an All Might flashback is canon as he couldnt fit it into the manga, he himself said it is canon, i cant say much for the both but at least 1 movie is canon. And obviously i cant remember the source as i look at 1k things and dont save em all
You DO realise this is wrong thread? 14 year girl at least should get this.
 

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We don't even know if they were mistreated...
The manga was at the bottom even with good sales and did not even get publicized on the second volume. That's enough for me.

Now I just want them to say at least the reason for the cancellation. Because for me lack of vote is not enough.
 

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The manga was at the bottom even with good sales and did not even get publicized on the second volume. That's enough for me.

Now I just want them to say at least the reason for the cancellation. Because for me lack of vote is not enough.
Sales isn't everything, and if sales were, then they would exercise the other option that people seem to love to bring up...and transfer the manga to JUMP+.
 

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You DO realise this is wrong thread? 14 year girl at least should get this.
You brought it up first so why tell him its the wrong thread now?
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Sales isn't everything, and if sales were, then they would exercise the other option that people seem to love to bring up...and transfer the manga to JUMP+.
Mate I thought someone already told you that they don't just move manga to jump + like that. Its not a garbage bin xD
 

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Sales isn't everything, and if sales were, then they would exercise the other option that people seem to love to bring up...and transfer the manga to JUMP+.
I bet it would be the smartest option, since in Jump + phantom seer it would have a better treatment than in WSJ.

And since sales are not all better to cancel ayakashi triangle, undead unluck, mashle and leave those who don't sell anything and turn WSJ into an indie magazine.
 

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Does this mean we're getting rid of the weekly debates on Phantom Seer vs The World after every TOC? (who am I kidding, this will never end)

It's a weird one for sure but like others have said I'm inclined to believe if it does end in the next cancellation round then there must be reason for it. In following the last decade of WSJ on-and-off I could count the amount of times I've disagreed with a series ending/getting axed on one hand, while you have something like Bleach that I was confused about at the time but makes more sense when context is given after the fact. Almost every series that ends makes sense to end it when it does. Phantom Seer has the sales that would make you think it should be pushed but it has been in the bottom three for 16 of the 21 weeks it's been ranked - if it did survive it would be a recovery that very rarely happens in the magazine. Clearly something was about it was not working?

As someone who actually prefers Phantom Seer to Magu-chan and thought it would outlast it, blaming another series for surviving instead is just a bad look, especially when that series probably won't last another two or three rounds at this rate. Personally, I think it makes more sense to compare series that have more overlap in genre/themes/audience since that's going to be its major competition in the magazine. It's been said before that one of the factors behind the TOC position (among many) is spreading it out so different genres are scattered and not all clumped together, so Phantom Seer has a tough gig in trying to break that top half of the roster. In comparison, in the past few weeks alone we've seen Me & Roboco, High School Family, and Magu-chan trade high spots likely as a place for the comedy they wanted to feature most that issue.

Phantom Seer did have one of my favourite first chapters of last year and I had high hopes for quite a while but I also think it didn't do enough to distinguish itself amongst its genre contemporaries or make the full potential of its world. The art was the major selling point but the story never really took off for me - I was always waiting for that 'moment' and it sadly never happened. On face value I do think it should have been given more of a chance but who knows the full story.

I was under the impression that a new serialization round isn't due out in another month or two. Wouldn't be surprised if the authors decided to end it themselves, and if they did, yeah, I understand.
It's been nine weeks since the last serialisation round started so this is around the time we'd start getting new series or announcements for what's to come. Once JJK has likely had its cover on #19 we're probably going to start the next round shortly after.

And since sales are not all better to cancel ayakashi triangle, undead unluck, mashle and leave those who don't sell anything and turn WSJ into an indie magazine.
WSJ is still the best selling magazine in Japan and that's not going to change because Phantom Seer might end. The magazine with the next best circulation numbers only does 40% of what Jump manages. Clearly you're pissed one of your favourite series ends but remember to keep things in perspective.

Just give me a KemonJihen, BLue Exorcist, or Owari no Serafu clone in Shonen Jump, it will easily be a success, we love those manga.
But we just had a Jump SQ clone in Our Blood Oath and that was panned by pretty much everyone from near the start and deserved its U19 run.
 
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Mate I thought someone already told you that they don't just move manga to jump + like that. Its not a garbage bin xD
I wasnt saying thats what I believe, only that, thats a common response to what people are asking for on twitter and other places.
 

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And to think Phantom Seer is potentially ending with just 3 chapters more than Tokyo Shinobi Squad that was indeed a big flop, Matsuura so far not getting much luck but maybe that vampire one shot from GIGA can result in a success? not going to lie and say that i wouldn't love to see that one shot getting a serialization after how underwhelming Bokura no Ketsumei ended up.

I don't think the cancelation has something to do with a possible burnout by Matsuura, a pretty art like that would show signs of exhaustion like MHA years ago and Black Clover sometimes, and next chapter just got a increase, what i think it could be a reason (other than just "isn't popular enough") is that the writter just didn't knew what to do with the story anymore, one of the common complaints that i read about the series is how it lacks a bigger arc, a sense of a bigger story and etc, it happens like with Yasuhiro Kano and Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa, where the author just face a wall and don't know what to do, but i don't know, much probably is just that the manga wasn't doing enough for Jump standards when it comes to full battle shounens.

I wonder if Shark & Dolphin isn't also potentially ending together because it would actually fit perfectly:

Vol.1: 1 ~ 7
Vol.2: 8 ~ 17 (it got 10 chapters included)
Vol.3: 18 ~ 27
Vol.4: 28 ~ 37

Phantom Seer will probably be like:

Vol.1: 1 ~ 7
Vol.2: 8 ~ 16
Vol.3: 17 ~ 25
Vol.4: 25 ~ 30 + Original one shot

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Stealth Symphony? the series was a flop from the start, only the west cared about it and still no one was surprised/shocked by the cancelation.
 
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