Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

So is Natsu if his power skyrockets by 1 Million .

Not against a god dragon. To the human cast, sure.

 

[Jko]

Aldoron is a 100,000,000 million times stronger than Natsu. Natsu had to get to like 90,000,000 million times stronger to beat him since Aldo was only somewhat weakened. Just bcs Natsu is 90,000,000x stronger doesn't mean he can be calculated as such in a quantifiable way tho. He is just stronger than Aldo was in that final fight and scales relatively to him.

 

[mangaempire29]

Did you read the scans I post or did you only see the pictures ? Laxus admitted he was out of magic. What happen when that thing happens to a wizard ? He falls KO until restoring. I show the scans why people were restored in Magic while Erza not. Just read them again.

Erza flat out lost to Laxus, she said it herself. She gets credit for pushing him to an insanely close fight but the result shows that she lost.

Weakest form in raw power. But the most versatile one in speed, stamina, MP, speed. Still, she was enhance by adrenaline and could only resist, not defeat him. Think that if she was using Alegria instead of Satan Soul, she was certainly out and Elfman as well : in this form she can use an upper raw power but in one shot, same as Lucy's Star Mix Dress. With intangibility, her strike should not pass and then fall out of magic. Having raw power is not necessary the best choice in a fight, especially vs one who can escape and "dodge" attacks.

Sitri is stated to be stronger BSS in all attributes, Algeria is even stronger than that. BSS couldn't hold off Irene's subordinates well, then Algeria come through, scares Juliet and Heine, and she oneshots them. You're overcomplicating Mira's forms.

Well, Wendy + DS Grey > Base Natsu + Wendy > Skullion.
Wendy is the key : she displays ashes and counter his intangibility due to her element. She is the most effective one vs Skullion, as support character, her speciality.

Aside from your personal thing you got for Gray, yes I agree: Devil Slayer Gray > Base Natsu, that's nothing significant in the 100 Years Quest tho. Any other form Natsu has beats Gray tho until Gray gets a significant feat/power-up.
BSS Mira damaged Skullion and stalemated him, there are other ways to deal with logia characters without Wendy's support.

 

[Seven777]

I doubt it. That would be healing after the the damage has already been done anyways. Destruction Fist failed to damage Aldoron in the first place.

Yes, because Natsu uses magic that enhances his durability. When he has no magic, his durability drops.

It's not really. Dragon Force just gives you power proportional to how much you Dragonize. It was a 2-3x increase in power when he had it against Zero because Jellal's MP was 2-3x that of Natsu's, more or less. Natsu's DF now is significantly more than at the start of the series. At least, when he had it against Zeref and Merc.

The whole reason Ignia wants to beat Natsu is so that he can prove he's the strongest. In order for that to work, defeating Natsu must be more harder than defeating the other god dragons. The reason Ignia hasn't made a move against the other god dragons is because....He wants Natsu to beat them first. Again, Ignia praising Natsu must mean that he's satisfied with the progress Natsu is making. If Natsu's at less than 1% of Aldoron's power, then Ignia would be sad lol.

There's nothing wrong with the 100,000,000 figure for Aldoron's Hp. The only real reason any of you are arguing with me is pretty much refusal to accept that Purgatory Dragon Fire is just millions of times stronger than Destruction Fist. Any attack that does noticeable damage to Aldoron has to be millions of times stronger than FDK destruction fist. That's simply what we are meant to believe when Mashima gave the figure.

No, they get the same amount of power. If both Ignia and Natsu increase their MP by the same amount with Flames of Emotion, Natsu would be 1 million times stronger than normal.... And Ignia would just recover the MP he used to feed Natsu. Flames of emotions isn't an MP multiplier.

Infinitely more likely than Natsu getting a X1000000 boost. And the 100,000,000 number applies to what it would take to beat Aldaron, not damage him, so regen counts.

Are you seriously defending this point? You know full well magic affects base durability. If any character in the manga loses their magic, they lose their durability. Slap a character with magic handcuffs and they are just a normal human. Kill Aldaron's god seed? And he's just a big lump of wood. Natsu burning wood that size is and impressive sight, it's not a X1,000,000 boost though. No more than Brandish is a million times a spriggan.

Except he hasn't dragonized any more, so logically that means when he goes DF, he's only adding around ToH Jellal level strength to himself. Current Natsu wouldn't even be doubling his power.

Why wouldn't Ignia be pleased with Natsu's progress? He beat Aldaron. He has no clue as to the circumstances.
And no, Ignia only learned about Natsu recently, and he still hasn't gone after the other Dragon Gods.

Haha the "only" reason, it's a million reasons.
No, that isn't what we were meant to believe when Mashima gave that figure, that's what you want to believe for some bizarre reason. The god seeds nerf were a nerf for a reason, Natsu isn't capable of that level of power, so Mashima reduced the foe to a level of power that he could handle, this is blatantly obvious. Like I said, base Natsu was doing well against Aldaron, that's a simple fact, that's how far Aldaron got nerfed. You being so fixated on numbers might be a good argument...... if we knew all the numbers. But we don't. All we know are his pre-nerfed numbers, something that is entirely irrelevant because that's not who Natsu defeated.

What? I was talking about Purgatory. Igneel should be Purgatory tier++++ He's King of all Fire Dragons. Mixing dragon fire simply doesn't give results like that to anyone but Natsu, because he is the main character.

This post will be a collective response to @Jean Grey, @Seven777, and @grey matter. Assuming that every point I mention here applies to all of our conversations, as there's going to be overlap.



I am well aware of how large a number like 1 million is. I don't assign this figure lightly, so trust me when I say I've thought this through and find the evidence more compelling than the alternatives.






Let's begin by addressing the exact details about when the God Seed died, and when the nerf to the dragon body applies. This is the heart of the issue, after all. To answer @grey matter's point about the Aldoron seed already being dead and that it is only his spectral voice talking. The follow page takes place after Natsu had already blown a hole in Aldoron's back. On the top left and right corners, you see that Aldoron's head is still intact. Aldoron was dying, not dead. It was only in the middle panel did we see that Aldoron's body fully crumble.

Spoiler: Aldoron's head is still intact in the top left and right panels

Think back to all the times the other god seeds were destroyed. Did Aldoron ever get nerfed while the seed's bodies were crumbling and they were giving their last words? No. In all the cases, the seed's bodies were fully destroyed and then we are given a visual indicator of some sort to tell us that Aldoron felt the nerf. Nowhere is this made more clear than when Max destroyed Doom. Here we see Doom's body crumbling and him giving his last words. Then on the next page, Max gives his victory speech.

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Did Aldoron get nerfed while Doom was saying his last words in the top panel? No. Did he get nerfed when Doom's body was reduced to just a head? No. Was he nerfed on the last page when Max gave his victory speech? Also, surprisingly, no. Aldoron was nerfed the next chapter when we see the Doom's power literally dissipate from the city he was on. We were treated with a closeup shot of of Doom's power actually leaving Aldoron's body. The seed is fully destroyed, and the MP disperses from Aldoron's body. Keep this in mind for below.

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I submit to you that the Aldoron seed is no different. So when do we see Aldoron seed's magic power leave Aldoron's body? Notice all the beams of energy bursting from Aldoron's body apart and distinct from the pillar of fire from Natsu's attack? That is the seed's magic power leaving dragon body. This is what causes Aldoron to collapse. It makes sense, right? The brain seed's power is what is keeping Aldoron's dragon body intact. When that seed dies, and it's MP disperses, that's what ultimately causes Aldoron's body to crumble. The great thing about this is that we can even potentially test this. Should the 100YQ ever receive an anime adaption, and the pillars of energy is a different colour than Natsu's fire....We'll know for a fact that it's Aldoron's power. Mark this down, because I'm coming to collect. :P

Spoiler: Aldoron's seed bursting out of Aldoron's body

So in light of all this... Do you think it's more reasonable to assume that Aldoron was nerfed in the split second between Natsu's attack exiting the god seed's back and hitting the insides of his dragon body? I find this highly unlikely to be what Hiro Mashima was trying to portray. Think about it. If you were Mashima, would you try to convey important information like this? The only way any of your theories actually works is if the nerf happens so blindingly fast that the author himself can't even try to portray it...and the reader must come to this conclusion through theorizing by themselves. I don't need a bunch of different theories to explain any of this. Natsu's attack blasted through the seed and out the dragon body's back. The seed died when it fully crumbled. The MP leaving Aldoron's body causes the rest of the body to crumble. Simple. No need to assume stuff is happening offscreen too fast for the author to draw. What you see is what you get.



20% of 100,000,000 is 20,000,000.
30% of that is 6,000,000.
This is actually pretty close to my private estimate of Purgatory Spear.
The fact of the matter is, with Aldoron's HP being 100,000,000 any fraction of damage to his body more than 1% must logically be millions of times stronger than FDK destruction fist. The alternative is outright denial of the statement.

I see the 10x figure being pushed around, and quite frankly....I'm not sure where it's coming from. It's demonstrably false, even if we don't account for Aldoron's durability. This is the impact crater that Destruction Fist left on the middle city.

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Purgatory Fire vaporized the entire middle city. Even if we ignored any sort of scaling from Aldoron, the damage to the city alone scales Purgatory Fire more than 10x Destruction Fist. Seriously, just take the panels and compare them side by side.

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I'll say the same thing here as I did before.

Aldoron's HP being worth 100,000,000 FDK Destruction Fists means that any attack that does even 1% damage to Aldoron is worth millions of FDK Destruction Fists. This is meant to hype up the attack that eventually defeats Aldoron. Now I don't believe that Purgatory Dragon Fire did the full 100,000,000 points of damage. But it did blow a hole in Aldoron's back. I would ballpark that to around 5-10% of Aldoron's total health. At the end of the day, Natsu's arc in the 100 years quest is that Ignia wants to beat him to prove he's the strongest. In order for Ignia to get what he wants, beating Natsu has to be more impressive than beating another god dragon. Ignia wouldn't be happy with Natsu's progress if Natsu was stuck at less than 1% of a god dragon's power.

At some point, Natsu is going to have be >1% of a God Dragon's power. When that happens, you're all going to have to come to grips with the fact that Natsu's attack power is millions of times stronger than FDK Destruction Fist anyways. That is simply how strong a god dragon is. I happen to believe that's already happening with Aldoron, but I'll entertain the denial until we see Natsu beat another dragon god.

No, you are assigning it lightly, way too lightly. You're basically saying that DF Natsu's power is worth an entire country of Natsu's put together. It's absurd on it's face. Aldaron wouldn't be able to beat even a dozen Natsus.

Acno was dying too, not dead. His whole body was also still intact. Doesn't mean he had any power left when he said those words.
And the brain seed is different, it's the one and only seed critical for his survival, it's the one and only seed weakened when all the other seeds die. So Aldaron weakening from it losing all it's strength is perfectly reasonable, even if he had yet to completely fade. It's certainly more reasonable than Natsu getting a X1,000,000 power boost.

Oh, and the pillars shooting out of Aldaron? They signal his power leaving his body.... But guess what? God Seed Aldaron had the same pillars shooting out of him before Aldaron was pierced. God Seed Aldaron, the only seed who is weakened by the other seed's death, lost all his power when Natsu hit him. Of course Big Aldaron's durability was nerfed to zero. God Seed Aldaron had no power left, he was done, the rest was just his death cry, much like Acno.
But you're right, there is no need for complicated explanations. What Mashima was clearly trying to portray was that the God Seed HAD to be destroyed first. Natsu just being able to blast clean through him before that point is quite obviously not what Mashima intended.

Again with the percentages? You still haven't established why the seeds are additive. Like I said, what's much more likely is that each time one died Aldaron's strength was reduced by a factor of one or two hundred. Either that or Mashima just reduced him to a level Natsu could handle, let's say the difference between Etherious Mard and Natsu back in the day? Or Sting and Larcade. Either is fine. Clearly not millions of time stronger though.

The 10X figure is just an approximate, much like your million. And no, it's not demonstrably false. I've told you before, size means nothing. Unless you want to claim Brandish is a million times a normal spriggan. But if you want to argue Natsu simply has better scale in Purgatory, then that's fine, it also makes him a better candidate for battling a foe of Aldaron's size, but he isn't a million times stronger, he's simply a better match for a large opponent. If he hit lets say.... Selene with that attack, it might do maybe a few times the damage of Demo Fist. 3 or 4, but since Demo Fist already encases Selene's entire body normally, it won't be worth "millions" like it was(not really) against Aldaron.

 

[Ronin31]

Sitri is stated to be stronger BSS in all attributes, Algeria is even stronger than that. BSS couldn't hold off Irene's subordinates well, then Algeria come through, scares Juliet and Heine, and she oneshots them. You're overcomplicating Mira's forms.

No you misunderstood my quote. I know Alegria and Sitry are above in raw power. Take Alegria, her strongest form. She OS Irene's minions where she couldn't in her BSS but after her ultimate move, she was done as well. Close to no Magic. What happened if she used it against Skullion and miss the strike ? She should be doom. Her BSS is surely less in stats but she can fight longer, way longer with agility, power, speed. This form is the versatile one. Alegria is a trump card or a finisher, like Lucy's current Star Dress Mixt.

BSS Mira damaged Skullion

Show me a scan she stroke him physically like Natsu did with Wendy's support. She resists Skullion to a mismatch which reserve was perhaps near to be empty. His guys were also defeated and so, he didn't expect Fairy Tail to give such trouble. This is why he stopped the fight, not because he was about to loose. Mira also said to Elfman that she didn't expect them to win this battle if they continue.

Erza flat out lost to Laxus, she said it herself. She gets credit for pushing him to an insanely close fight but the result shows that she lost.

Three statements to Double KO in the Manga. Nothing else to say and I stop speaking about them. I show you the scans, it's wrote in there.

Any other form Natsu has beats Gray tho until Gray gets a significant feat/power-up.

No problem with that. I am aware that Natsu is currently above Grey who didn't have any boost for now.

 

[mangaempire29]

No you misunderstood my quote. I know Alegria and Sitry are above in raw power. Take Alegria, her strongest form. She OS Irene's minions where she couldn't in her BSS but after her ultimate move, she was done as well. Close to no Magic. What happened if she used it against Skullion and miss the strike ? She should be doom. Her BSS is surely less in stats but she can fight longer, way longer with agility, power, speed. This form is the versatile one. Alegria is a trump card or a finisher, like Lucy's current Star Dress Mixt.

Algeria is a high-level form that takes up a high amount of MP. Mira has better control/experience with forms than Lucy has. Sitri is a whole form that Mira has great control over it. She can use Sitri at will similar to BSS, it's not a significant MP drain like Algeria however. Mira is still strong af through feats and portrayal. Algeria is likely RL Laxus level now.
Take Mira's forms as to like SSJ forms:
BSS = SSJ1, great mastery
Sitri = SSJ2, great control over it, drains a little more
Algeria = SSJ3, OP, significant stamina drain, hard to maintain in a long battle

Show me a scan she stroke him physically like Natsu did with Wendy's support. She resists Skullion to a mismatch which reserve was perhaps near to be empty. His guys were also defeated and so, he didn't expect Fairy Tail to give such trouble. This is why he stopped the fight, not because he was about to loose. Mira also said to Elfman that she didn't expect them to win this battle if they continue.

End result of the fight, Skullion had visible damage from his battle with Mira.

Three statements to Double KO in the Manga. Nothing else to say and I stop speaking about them. I show you the scans, it's wrote in there.

Kyria also said Laxus won along with Erza. They're both top tiers regardless.

 

[Axiomus]

Infinitely more likely than Natsu getting a X1000000 boost. And the 100,000,000 number applies to what it would take to beat Aldaron, not damage him, so regen counts.

Are you seriously defending this point? You know full well magic affects base durability. If any character in the manga loses their magic, they lose their durability. Slap a character with magic handcuffs and they are just a normal human. Kill Aldaron's god seed? And he's just a big lump of wood. Natsu burning wood that size is and impressive sight, it's not a X1,000,000 boost though. No more than Brandish is a million times a spriggan.

Except he hasn't dragonized any more, so logically that means when he goes DF, he's only adding around ToH Jellal level strength to himself. Current Natsu wouldn't even be doubling his power.

Why wouldn't Ignia be pleased with Natsu's progress? He beat Aldaron. He has no clue as to the circumstances.
And no, Ignia only learned about Natsu recently, and he still hasn't gone after the other Dragon Gods.

Haha the "only" reason, it's a million reasons.
No, that isn't what we were meant to believe when Mashima gave that figure, that's what you want to believe for some bizarre reason. The god seeds nerf were a nerf for a reason, Natsu isn't capable of that level of power, so Mashima reduced the foe to a level of power that he could handle, this is blatantly obvious. Like I said, base Natsu was doing well against Aldaron, that's a simple fact, that's how far Aldaron got nerfed. You being so fixated on numbers might be a good argument...... if we knew all the numbers. But we don't. All we know are his pre-nerfed numbers, something that is entirely irrelevant because that's not who Natsu defeated.

What? I was talking about Purgatory. Igneel should be Purgatory tier++++ He's King of all Fire Dragons. Mixing dragon fire simply doesn't give results like that to anyone but Natsu, because he is the main character.


No, you are assigning it lightly, way too lightly. You're basically saying that DF Natsu's power is worth an entire country of Natsu's put together. It's absurd on it's face. Aldaron wouldn't be able to beat even a dozen Natsus.

Acno was dying too, not dead. His whole body was also still intact. Doesn't mean he had any power left when he said those words.
And the brain seed is different, it's the one and only seed critical for his survival, it's the one and only seed weakened when all the other seeds die. So Aldaron weakening from it losing all it's strength is perfectly reasonable, even if he had yet to completely fade. It's certainly more reasonable than Natsu getting a X1,000,000 power boost.
Oh, and the pillars shooting out of Aldaron? They signal his death.... and God Seed Aldaron had the same pillars the moment Natsu punched him. God Seed Aldaron was dead the moment Natsu punched him, the rest was just his death cry.
But you're right, there is no need for complicated explanations. What Mashima was clearly trying to portray was that the God Seed HAD to be destroyed first. Natsu just being able to blast clean through him before that point is quite obviously not what Mashima intended.

Again with the percentages? You still haven't established why the seeds are additive. Like I said, what's much more likely is that each time one died Aldaron's strength was reduced by a factor of one or two hundred. Either that or Mashima just reduced him to a level Natsu could handle, let's say the difference between Etherious Mard and Natsu back in the day? Or Sting and Larcade. Either is fine. Clearly not millions of time stronger though.

The 10X figure is just an approximate, much like your million. And no, it's not demonstrably false. I've told you before, size means nothing. Unless you want to claim Brandish is a million times a normal spriggan. But if you want to argue Natsu simply has better scale in Purgatory, then that's fine, it also makes him a better candidate for battling a foe of Aldaron's size, but he isn't a million times stronger, he's simply a better match for a large opponent. If he hit lets say.... Selene with that attack, it might do maybe a few times the damage of Demo Fist. 3 or 4, but since Demo Fist already encases Selene's entire body normally, it won't be worth "millions" like it was(not really) against Aldaron.

If Natsu does 1 million points of damage to Aldoron, and Aldoron regenerates the damage instantly....The attack itself is still 1 million times stronger than Destruction Fist. Not that I believe that Aldoron can heal from damage that fast either. The entire reason he set up the cities was so that he could recover from injuries sustained when fighting Acno. He's been at it for hundreds of years. It would take days, if not years imo.

Yes. Because we see characters get injured by people weaker than themselves, and sneak attacks work surprisingly well. MP doesn't naturally make you stronger. You have to use it. Either with magic by reinforcing the body, creating barrier, something.

Yes, he is. Against Zeref, his entire right arm was dragonized. Against Mercphobia, his hands got claws and it covered his whole body. My point is that DF doesn't just multiply your power. It dragonizes you. The increase in strength and magic comes as a result of the changes to Natsu's body. Heck, not all of the changes even have to be external. They could be getting better lungs, bones, or brains. Or even changes to the magical container.

We both know the real reason we're having this argument is an outright refusal to scale Natsu's attack power to a reasonable percentage of the 100,000,000 figure. We don't need to know any of the exact numbers. All we need to know is that the strongest god seed was still alive, and probably had more than 1% of Aldoron's total power left. That is the extent of my "absurd assumptions". Get this: The strongest god seed is....well, the strongest. You're the one that needs to bend over backwards to assume the other seeds housed over 99% of Aldoron's power. The seeds were made to contain Aldoron's power because he had too much. Why can't it be that simple? Why would they multiply his power? I'm not against factoring a nerf from the other seeds being destroyed, even if I don't really see why it's needed, but at least give a reasonable number. A 99.9999% nerf when the strongest seed is still fighting and the main body is still shooting out attacks like this? We don't actually know for certain how much each seeds nerfs Aldoron. However, if your argument doesn't work if Aldoron has just 1% of his power, and mine still works if we give up a whopping 99%....Then maybe, just maybe, my odds are just a tad higher?

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Ignia knew what was going on. He could even sense that the army attacking him with canons wasn't going to work. And my point still stands. The entire reason Ignia even wants to fight Natsu is so that beating Natsu would prove to everyone that Ignia is the strongest. His initial target was Acnologia, and now that he's dead he figures the next best thing is to make Natsu stronger. Ignia would not be happy with Natsu's progress if he was only 1% of a god dragon's power.

Igneel can't mix Ignia's flames with his own because they've literally never met, and vice versa. Atlas too, with Ignia. If we are to believe that mixing different elements like 7DS dramatically increases power, why can't mixing different types of Dragon Fires achieve similar results?

Without dragon force, Aldoron would absolutely destroy a dozen Natsu's. He'd just stab them repeatedly with thicket, and they would have no way of closing their injuries even if they could burn it off. What do you think was about to happen to the guild if Natsu hadn't beaten the god seed. They would have kept eating thicket thorns until they dropped, or be forced to run away.

Even with Acnologia, his body exploded after his spirit fully crumbled. There was no indication that Acnologia's dragon form was weakened up until the point he exploded. Same with Aldoron. We see the exact moment Aldoron's MP leaves his body, and it's after the seed fully crumbles away.....As is the reasonable expectation. Wtf is a death cry? The god seed had his body, or at least his head, intact after Natsu's attack blew a hole in his back. The sound is literally coming from his mouth. Let's not make it any more complicated than it has to be. The seed died when it fully crumbled, and it's power left Aldoron's body afterwards. which we see in the form of energy bursting out from the dragon.

I don't think size alone proves that Purgatory fire is 1 million times stronger. The fact that purgatory blasted a hole in Aldoron is what puts the figure in the millions. The damage to the city just proves it's more than 10x Destruction Fist. FYI, I would easily consider giant Gajeel's attack power to be stronger than that of destruction fist. If giant Gajeel hits one of the cities, I have no doubt that he can wipe it out. That's easily more than 10x Destruction Fist. He just can't blow a hole in Aldoron, so he wouldn't be millions x Destruction Fist.

 

[Ronin31]

Kyria also said Laxus won along with Erza. They're both top tiers regardless.

You only read what you want. Kyria asked herself if Laxus won when she began to fall as Erza admitted to loose. Then, she was surprised to see Erza smiling. At the end of the speach, when Laxus admitted at his turn that he lost too, Kyria is happy because the two monsters have KO each other. Do you want to see the scans again ?

But ok, read what you want in the Manga. I read it in his entirety. I stop speaking. It's pointless.

Algeria is likely RL Laxus level now.

I think you overestimate her power level. Currently, I see Laxus far above Mirajane and I respect her strength.

The fact is that she reconized herself that they couldn't win the battle when Diabolos stopped it to a "draw".

I let you the word's end if you want, I stop debate on it. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Ramen]

BSS = SSJ1, great mastery
Sitri = SSJ2, great control over it, drains a little more
Algeria = SSJ3, OP, significant stamina drain, hard to maintain in a long battle

Are you comparing this stuff to DBZ? lol

Algeria is likely RL Laxus level now.

Yea......no.

 

[Axiomus]

Oh, and I nearly forgot. The whole reason we're having this discussion is because of CSK and Selene. So let's factor them back in, because this is where the inconsistencies really opens up.

@Seven777 I believe you said that you want CSK to be at a level where he can damage Selene and nerf him by the same amount destroying the god seeds did, correct? Well, if destroying the god seeds nerfed Aldoron by 99.9999% where does that leave us with? If you believe that CSK is going to be near Selene's level whereas Natsu isn't even close to 1%... How are you telling me with a straight face that you are giving both the same treatment?

 

[mangaempire29]

I think you overestimate her power level. Currently, I see Laxus far above Mirajane and I respect her strength.

The fact is that she reconized herself that they couldn't win the battle when Diabolos stopped it to a "draw".

I let you the word's end if you want, I stop debate on it. We can agree to disagree.

Yea......no.

Algeria oneshots BSS, how wouldn't a x793 Algeria be relative to Laxus?

 

[Ramen]

Algeria oneshots BSS, how wouldn't a x793 Algeria be relative to Laxus?

Because there are not feats to say so? RL Laxus one shots Spriggans and Alegria is needed to beat Spriggan subordinates. Not just that but until proven otherwise, Mira can only use Alegria for 5 seconds before taxing her MP.

 

[mangaempire29]

Because there are not feats to say so? RL Laxus one shots Spriggans and Alegria is needed to beat Spriggan subordinates. Not just that but until proven otherwise, Mira can only use Alegria for 5 seconds before taxing her MP.

Alvarez BSS Mira beat Jacob tho.
Current BSS Mira is mid-Spriggan level (mainly below August/Irene/God Serena). If current Mira uses Algeria, she could be at least around the Laxus/Erza/Jellal/Gajeel/FDK Natsu level.

 

[Ramen]

Alvarez BSS Mira beat Jacob tho.

And Elfman + Lisanna beat Ajeel. It's called PiS. And Jacob is the weakest Spriggan so......

Current BSS Mira is mid-Spriggan level

No she's not. She get's beat by at least half of them.

If current Mira uses Algeria, she could be at least around the Laxus/Erza/Jellal/Gajeel/FDK Natsu level.

Again, she can only use it for 5 seconds.

No feats to back up your words.

 

[mangaempire29]

And Elfman + Lisanna beat Ajeel. It's called PiS. And Jacob is the weakest Spriggan so......



No she's not. She get's beat by at least half of them.



Again, she can only use it for 5 seconds.

No feats to back up your words.

Ajeel was weakened from the Jupiter cannon.
Pre-Enhanced Neinhart is the weakest Spriggan.
Current DeS BSS Mira is stronger than Gray. She stalemated Skullion who stomped Gray.
Alvarez Gray matched incomplete END (albeit he had a DeS advantage) who slaughtered Time-Stop Dimaria.
Dimaria is a top 5/6 Spriggan. Depending on your take on current Brandish Vs Chronos Dimaria.
August/Irene > God Serena > Current BSS Mira > Current DeS Gray > Alvarez Gray > Mid-Tier Spriggans > Alvarez Mira > Low-Tier Spriggans.
Algeria Mira scared and oneshotted characters that was beating BSS Mira.
Algeria Mira stomps her previous forms. Current Algeria would be a monster in MP on the power scale. It's not a stretch to put her on Jellal/Gajeel/Erza/FDK Natsu/RL Laxus at her full power.

 

[Ramen]

Ajeel was weakened from the Jupiter cannon.

What? The events are like 60 chapters apart lol

Pre-Enhanced Neinhart is the weakest Spriggan.

Neinhart is vastly superior to Jacob.

Current DeS BSS Mira is stronger than Gray. She stalemated Skullion who stomped Gray.

Ok and? Current without the PoF are weaker than Alvarez with the PoF.

Alvarez Gray matched incomplete END (albeit he had a DeS advantage) who slaughtered Time-Stop Dimaria.

Gray bloodlusted and END are both stronger than Mira.

Dimaria is a top 5/6 Spriggan. Depending on your take on current Brandish Vs Chronos Dimaria.
August/Irene > God Serena > Current BSS Mira > Current DeS Gray > Alvarez Gray > Mid-Tier Spriggans > Alvarez Mira > Low-Tier Spriggans.
Algeria Mira scared and oneshotted characters that was beating BSS Mira.

All types of wrong. Alvarez Gray > Current Gray and Mira with the PoF.

Algeria Mira scared and oneshotted characters that was beating BSS Mira.

Dude, BSS Mira was getting her ass kicked by Subordinates. She's not that strong lol. Beating Jacob is not a good feat. He is the weakest spriggan.

Algeria Mira stomps her previous forms. Current Algeria would be a monster in MP on the power scale. It's not a stretch to put her on Jellal/Gajeel/Erza/FDK Natsu/RL Laxus at her full power.

I'll ask for the third time, you got feats this? Because Warrod is a Monster on the MP scale too. MP =/= Strength.

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Base Natsu + DF Wendy > Skullion > Devil Slayer Gray.
Their battle on the boat outperforms Gray's 1v1 vs Skullion.

What? Dude, you're pulling things out of nowhere.

Natsu beat Madmole tho.

No he didn't.

Alvarez has nothing to do with what is currently happening in the 100YQ. Don't make try to make this a Gray Vs Gajeel or an Invel Vs Bloodman debate.

Gray has better potrayal than Gajeel lol still.

The interview happened after the whole Aldoron Arc regardless. Mashima knows what happened, and he still made the statement. You're clearly belittling Gajeel.

No I'm not, you can't read between the lines and shy away when someone challenges your convictions. If you can't use the manga to debate, don't debate.

Going in the sequel, Gray was superior and to this day, he still is.

FP Laxus still took a close W as the concluding result.

But he admitted defeat as well.

 

[mangaempire29]

What? The events are like 60 chapters apart lol

Jupiter has a lasting affect on those who survive the blast. Phantom Lord Arc Erza was severely crippled after taking one.
The Alvarez War took place in a span of a few days. Ajeel barely recovered.

Neinhart is vastly superior to Jacob.

Neinhart got one-punched by Base Natsu. Jacob was beating Base Natsu when they fought in the guildhall.

Ok and? Current without the PoF are weaker than Alvarez with the PoF.

If Alvarez END fought current Gray, Gray is beating him. Who in their right mind thinks current Gray is weaker than Alvarez Gray?

Gray bloodlusted and END are both stronger than Mira.

Not current Mira.

Dude, BSS Mira was getting her ass kicked by Subordinates. She's not that strong lol. Beating Jacob is not a good feat. He is the weakest spriggan.

Spriggan 12 > Gods of Ishgar. Mira defeating Jacob in BSS is an impressive wym?

I'll ask for the third time, you got feats this? Because Warrod is a Monster on the MP scale too. MP =/= Strength.

Let me ask you this: Can Base Laxus oneshot/stomp Devil Slayer Gray the same way Skullion did?

What? Dude, you're pulling things out of nowhere.

No he didn't.

Reread the 100YQ because you're clearly misguided. Natsu and Wendy were overpowering Skullion on the boat.

Gray has better potrayal than Gajeel lol still.

No I'm not, you can't read between the lines and shy away when someone challenges your convictions. If you can't use the manga to debate, don't debate.

Going in the sequel, Gray was superior and to this day, he still is.

Gray went from being comparable to DF in Tartaros and Alvarez to being weaker than BSS Mira.
Gajeel/Erza/Laxus/Jellal/Natsu/Mira > current DeS Gray.
Reread the 100YQ.

 

[Ramen]

Jupiter has a lasting affect on those who survive the blast. Phantom Lord Arc Erza was severely crippled after taking one.
The Alvarez War took place in a span of a few days. Ajeel barely recovered.

We literally saw him fully recovered after......(?)

Neinhart got one-punched by Base Natsu. Jacob was beating Base Natsu when they fought in the guildhall.

Jacob got out sped by Happy

If Alvarez END fought current Gray, Gray is beating him. Who in their right mind thinks current Gray is weaker than Alvarez Gray?

Anyone with basic knowledge of power scaling. Gray went from beating the crap out of Invel in base to getting 2 shot by Skullion.

Not current Mira.

END and PoF Gray >> Invel > Mira = Skullion

Spriggan 12 > Gods of Ishgar. Mira defeating Jacob in BSS is an impressive wym?

No it's not. Considering he kept his eyes closed the whole time too.

Let me ask you this: Can Base Laxus oneshot/stomp Devil Slayer Gray the same way Skullion did?

Probably considering Laxus was always a powerhouse without a power-up. He can easily just rain down nukes or just beat up Gray in CQC the way he did with Wahl.

Reread the 100YQ because you're clearly misguided. Natsu and Wendy were overpowering Skullion on the boat.

Dude I already debunked this. It was one punch that Skullion laughed at.

Gray went from being comparable to DF in Tartaros and Alvarez to being weaker than BSS Mira.
Gajeel/Erza/Laxus/Jellal/Natsu/Mira > current DeS Gray.

Anyone on that list can beat up Gajeel and Gray. Gajeel by far is the weakest one. He was never comparable to DF and got his ass kicked by LFD Natsu lmao.

BuT MaShImA sAid sO

Reread the 100YQ.

Ironic.

No wonder no one responds to you anymore. What a joke.

 

[mangaempire29]

Anyone with basic knowledge of power scaling. Gray went from beating the crap out of Invel in base to getting 2 shot by Skullion.

END and PoF Gray >> Invel > Mira = Skullion

Skullion >> Invel. Skullion beat x793 Gray. Invel lost to x792 Gray. And current Invel might've lost to Ajeel during the timeskip.

No it's not. Considering he kept his eyes closed the whole time too.

It's powercreep. Jacob lost, even Base Mira landed a hit before she transformed to finish Jacob.
You're trying to say Gray got weaker from the Alvarez Arc in the 100YQ despite everyone training/getting stronger during x793 timeskip?

Dude I already debunked this. It was one punch that Skullion laughed at.

A punch closer than what Gray did. Skullion wasn't damaged from his fight with Gray, then here comes Base Natsu and DF Wendy putting him on the defensive for the rest of the fight. Show me the damage Gray did on Skullion that outperforms Mira's or Natsu's.

Anyone on that list can beat up Gajeel and Gray. Gajeel by far is the weakest one. He was never comparable to DF and got his ass kicked by LFD Natsu lmao.

BuT MaShImA sAid sO

The creator of the series is usually the best source for power scaling? He drew the characters, writes the story and fights? He remains a major impact on the 100YQ story progression.
Tartaros Gray did well as DF Natsu in the Tartaros Arc. DF Gajeel Vs DS Gray (the one that beat Invel) was a heavy debate during the latter of the Alvarez Arc.
I'm not making this a Gajeel Vs Gray debate like you originally intended. All I'm saying if Mashima stated Natsu and Gray were equals instead, you'd probably take that statement to the grave.

LFD Natsu/ISD Gajeel > BSS = Skullion > Devil Slayer Gray > Base Gajeel/Base Natsu

All I'm saying if Mirajane Algeria was reintroduced in the 100YQ, she'd probably be on RL Laxus/FP Erza/FP Gajeel/Jellal/FDK Natsu level considering how impressive her BSS feat against Skullion played out. But you wanted to make this a Gray debate + Gajeel & Mira slander.

 

[Ramen]

I'm not making this a Gajeel Vs Gray debate like you originally intended. All I'm saying if Mashima stated Natsu and Gray were equals instead, you'd probably take that statement to the grave.

No I wouldn't because unlike you, I wouldn't go around praising the statement then disregard the mountain of evidence that proves me wrong.

Check my track record if you'd like.

But you wanted to make this a Gray debate + Gajeel & Mira slander.

Dude, it's a fictional story, get over it. You got debunked like 6 times about your "precious Mira + Gajeel combo." Don't come at me with that slander argument.

It get's annoying when you disregard half of my posts because it doesn't suit you.