The Israel-Palestine crisis

[M3J]

Gotta love how Israel can get away with bombing indiscriminately, but if Hamas retaliates, they're in the wrong (of course they are, but Israel deserves to be criticized too). And that's on top of Israel already kicking out Palestinians from their land and homes and killing them.

 

[kkck]

Gotta love how Israel can get away with bombing indiscriminately, but if Hamas retaliates, they're in the wrong (of course they are, but Israel deserves to be criticized too). And that's on top of Israel already kicking out Palestinians from their land and homes and killing them.

Every war in the history of humanity. But yeah, in this case Israel seems to be hellbent on fanning the flames...

 

[M3J]

Seems like the usual case with them, and I think they said they're going for genocide without actually saying it.

 

[Raven]

In all honesty, It is not in Israel's interest at all to carry out the atrocious actions like the past. They no longer have the power to manipulate people and cover up their war crimes thanks to portable phones, It managed to document the truth about them. They are exposed to the world and the majority of people are starting to see how terrible and horrible they are. CNN and Fox news can't cover their naked ass like before, Israel proceeds to distort its image to everyone in the era of knowledge and research. Their greatest ally America is having hard times defending them, Biden and his administration are getting heavily critizied by the people who brought them back to power, Since the events of Sheik jarah, A lot of public figures in the US flatout sided with Israel atrocious actions but they took back their words and now wants to be neutral about it. Honestly, You can't be neutral about it but i still think it's a huge change. They obviously still supporting Israel but it is slowly changing.
The last thing I expected to be said in the US. Congress.

I truly hope America starts to stop funding a terrorist country like Israel. There are many homeless people in the US that need that money, Many stories of families that struggles to have a decent life, Many poor neighborhoods, expensive health care system, Many stories of ex soldiers seeking mental health and ends up doing something messed up, many other countries that deserve these financial supports than Israel. Us have many other problems to care about, yet they support Israel. It makes no sense, They talk about democracy and stable middle east, Yet they fund Israel. like wtf

Now imagine after decades and decades of funding a terrorist country like that, Israel still fails to stomp Hamas, A resistance that is ill equipped, Israel is so desperate to the point of bombing buildings and killing innocents to score a win since they can't do anything. Their defenses are failing miserably, All the funds from US is literally being used to only bomb homes, schools, hospitals along with children and innocents. They just bombed a Palestinian Monastery 30 minutes ago and is preparing to make a ground invasion. Way too pathetically.

Even in Media wars, They are failing miserably. They are keep removing ranking hashtags that is for supporting Palestinians, They even have their own app to direct their people to like and dislike videos or reporting and attacking people who spread the truth, Arming civilians with weapons to raid Palestinian and arab neighborhoods. Awhile ago they directed everyone to hope in Instagram to manipulate facts but it's like grasping at straws now, too late to improve their pathetic picture.

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What makes Israel look even more bad, That they have history of being oppressed, Yet they choose to be the oppressor now and do everything bad that was done to them, Kicking Palestinians out of their homes and Kill their children and women. with that said, there are still good people in Israel and against their bad government and i hope Palestinians and Israelis can unite without any racism and discrimination from both sides. It is impossible to happen ofc, Since an average Israel is a blood thirst, No difference from an ISIS, Like in this video they talk exactly like a pro ISIS.

 

[xi0]

This is Rick Wiles, an antisemite and far-right whacko. He called Trump's impeachment a "Jew coup". He blamed COVID's spread on Jews doing it deliberately in synagogues. He obviously has an ulterior motive in calling them "nazis". Don't think I would go to someone like that for unbiased opinion on the situation there.

 

[Raven]

This is Rick Wiles, an antisemite and far-right whacko. He called Trump's impeachment a "Jew coup". He blamed COVID's spread on Jews doing it deliberately in synagogues. He obviously has an ulterior motive in calling them "nazis". Don't think I would go to someone like that for unbiased opinion on the situation there.

I don’t know about him being Anti Semitic, But in this small clip he mentioned Israeli Zionist not all Jews. Many Jews support Palestine and against Israel as a state and point out their crimes, Whatsoever, I don’t know this guy or his political views but yeah blaming Jews on everything is being delusional, however, he didn’t say anything wrong in this clip Israel treat Palestinians worse than animals and waste their lives whenever they got the chance, Calling them nazis is literally what people are painting Israel these days.

Btw, I don't know where the right wing stands, I see trump and his eldest son supporting Israel and others rights are against it. The same apply on leftists.

 

[kkck]

I don’t know about him being Anti Semitic, But in this small clip he mentioned Israeli Zionist not all Jews. Many Jews support Palestine and against Israel as a state and point out their crimes, Whatsoever, I don’t know this guy or his political views but yeah blaming Jews on everything is being delusional, however, he didn’t say anything wrong in this clip Israel treat Palestinians worse than animals and waste their lives whenever they got the chance, Calling them nazis is literally what people are painting Israel these days.

Btw, I don't know where the right wing stands, I see trump and his eldest son supporting Israel and others rights are against it. The same apply on leftists.

So... don't quote stuff from people you aren't familiar with? Precisely because you might be quoting stuff from lunatics.

 

[Raven]

So... don't quote stuff from people you aren't familiar with? Precisely because you might be quoting stuff from lunatics.

I'm not obligated to do that and it doesn't matter when they are saying something that is seen and documented everyday. You can't agree fully with someone and you cant fully disagree with someone. No biggie.

 

[kkck]

I'm not obligated to do that and it doesn't matter when they are saying something that is seen and documented everyday. You can't agree fully with someone and you cant fully disagree with someone. No biggie.

Wait, so it's ok to quote morons when what they say is documented? What difference does it being documented make if you don't bother with basic research?

 

[Raven]

Wait, so it's ok to quote morons when what they say is documented? What difference does it being documented make if you don't bother with basic research?

What difference you talk about? He won’t say such things If he didn’t do research about the matter. Obviously he would be biased since he hate Jews but that’s another topic. What’s your problem now? I will quote him thousandfold times whenever he says something I agree with, I don’t care about what you think about him. If you fear that people might take him as an example, Ironically if anyone did basic research he won’t take him serious when he is saying things that lack evidence by your logic, Nevertheless, He is an American who support the Palestinian and his taxes goes to Israel, like it or not his opinion matters evenly just like the leftists I quoted as well. He is helping in sharing awareness against a terrorist state. You need to learn how to be not selfish, It’s a country for conservatives as well as liberals. Again It doesn’t matter who I quote when the key point is supported by evidence.

 

[kkck]

What difference you talk about? He won’t say such things If he didn’t do research about the matter. Obviously he would be biased since he hate Jews but that’s another topic. What’s your problem now? I will quote him thousandfold times whenever he says something I agree with, I don’t care about what you think about him. If you fear that people might take him as an example, Ironically if anyone did basic research he won’t take him serious when he is saying things that lack evidence by your logic, Nevertheless, He is an American who support the Palestinian and his taxes goes to Israel, like it or not his opinion matters even just like the leftists I quoted as well. He is helping in sharing awareness against a terrorist state. You need to learn how to be not selfish, It’s a country for conservatives as well as liberals. Again It doesn’t matter who I quote when the key point is supported by evidence.

I cannot even begin to fathom what in the name of korean baby jesus you are talking about.

 

[Raven]

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I want to talk about Israel crimes too in the past, I will start with a recent one "Deir El Sultan" a Monastery of the Sultan is a monastery located on the roof of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. Lately Israel attempted to kick out the Egyptians copts and give it to the Ethiopians. History of theft that has no boundaries. ffs. Maybe when i arrive home

I hope your like this source guys, quoting the Amnesty International itself

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Israeli crimes, Story #1
Story of "Deir El Sultan" and how the Israeli stole it from the Egyptians

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It's a monastery that was gifted to the Egyptian copts by Sultan "Abdul Malik Bin Marwan" and it was named, "Deir El Sultan" ( The Sultan's Monastery ), After Saladin liberated Jerusalem from the Christians, He gave the Christian Egyptian copts their Monastery back, A very beautiful monument from the inside and the outside and very close to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and has an opening door directly to that church. The Primates, Metropolitan, bishops, Archbishop and Diocesans are all Egyptians, An officially Egyptian monastery. In the times of Abdul Hamid II, The Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. There was a problem for the Christians in Ethiopia, They couldn't afford paying for the taxes to the Ottomans. The Copts of the monastery wanted to land a hand and invited the Ethiopian monks to live with them, and they supported them with payment for these taxes, One day the Ethiopian monks stole the key of the monastery and claim it to be theirs. They literally occupied the monastery and kicked out the Egyptians. When the Copts complained to Sultan Abdul Hamid II, He issued an order to give back the Monastery to the Egyptians Copts and force the Ethiopians to give the key to them. This story was repeated for 3 times under the Ottomans rule and 2 times under the British extension. The british forced the Ethiopians to give back the key like the Ottomans. Everytime the Copts would forgive the Ethiopians and let them stay and they backstab, Until 1959, In this very year, The Ethiopian monks complained to King of Jordan Hussein and told him that the Copts stole their Monastery and won't give it back. King Hussein believed their story and he sent orders to force the Copts out, The Christian Patriarch in Egypt gone mad and he sent a messenger to the king of Jordan to negotiate, The Copts managed to persuade king Hussen that the Ethiopians are bunch of liars so he corrected what he did wrong. In 1970, Israel flatout kicked out the Copts without a reason and let the Ethiopians in, The Bishop of the Copts filed an appeal before the Israeli Supreme Court, which unanimously approved the restoration of the monastery to the Coptic Church on March 16, 1971, but the Israeli government still refuses to implement the Supreme Court ruling to this day. But they allowed them to be there.

Two weeks ago, Ethiopian monks raised their Ethiopian flag on the monastery since Israel gave them permission to do so and Copts of Egypt didn't like that and they fought each-other.

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Like you see, Israel is enabling thieves to steal the Egyptians Copts and infuriating them, The ones who assisted them in time of need before, At times where the Ottmon empire was weak and very corrupt and would take huge taxes even from the poor. But when you see what Israel did to Palestine, You begin to understand their sick mentality. Palestine once aided the non Palestinian Jews in time of need and in return they conquered them and slaughter them and took their land. They enabled the Ethiopians to apply the same treatment to the Copts of Egypt. Just like what UK once did to Palestine.

A promise from those who don't own ... to those who don't deserve

Israel/Palestine history shorts #1
Who rules Jersulem? and for how long?

Spoiler: Who ruled Jerusalem? and for how long.

Israelis claims that Palestine is their land based on historic facts and Muslims kicked them out. When i checked online, The bible isn't even historically liable. Regardless, If bible is correct then it says that the Philistines and Canaanites came first.

Jerusalem was taken by King David in 1010BC and lost to the Egyptians in 925BC. Jehoash of Israel recaptured it in 786BC but then lost it to the Assyrians in 740BC. That's just 131 years, Just about as long as the Crusaders rule of Jerusalem in the Middle Ages. The Jewish Hasmoneans claim it back in 140BC under Simon Thassi but then lost it to the Persian Seleucides in 134. That's 6 more years of Jewish rule. Due to a Seleucid civil war, Judea incidentally became independent in the chaos in 116BC. In 87BC the Jewish Hasmonean king executed 800 Jews for sedition. In 47BC they lost Jerusalem again, this time to the Romans. That's 69 years of rule. In total, off and on the Jews ruled Jerusalem for maybe 206 years. The Pr-Constantine Romans ruled it for 250 years. The Christian Byzantines ruled it for 304 years. The Muslims ruled it under the Rashidun, Umayyad and Abbasin Empires for 332 years. The Muslim Fatimies ruled it for 129 years. The Crusaders took it from the Muslims and held it for 88 years. Saladin conquered it in 1187 and his descendants held it for 63 years. The Muslim Mamluk Empire ruled it for 236 years while the Ottomans ruled it for 401 years.

It makes 206 years of Jewish rule, 392 years of Christian rule, and over 800++ years of Islamic rule. And before any of them, the Canaanites lived and ruled there for millennials before Jews, But regardless, Muslims didn't kick them out, They lived together along with Christians. There are Palestinian jews and Christians to this date. If anything Muslims and Christians fought over Jerusalem and ruled more than Jews like i manifisted. So that claim is weird really. They didn't rule Jersulem more than the muslims, and they weren't even the first people there, So what's the problem?

 

[xi0]

What difference you talk about? He won’t say such things If he didn’t do research about the matter. Obviously he would be biased since he hate Jews but that’s another topic. What’s your problem now? I will quote him thousandfold times whenever he says something I agree with, I don’t care about what you think about him. If you fear that people might take him as an example, Ironically if anyone did basic research he won’t take him serious when he is saying things that lack evidence by your logic, Nevertheless, He is an American who support the Palestinian and his taxes goes to Israel, like it or not his opinion matters evenly just like the leftists I quoted as well. He is helping in sharing awareness against a terrorist state. You need to learn how to be not selfish, It’s a country for conservatives as well as liberals. Again It doesn’t matter who I quote when the key point is supported by evidence.

He has an axe to grind with Jews themselves, not zionists or Israelis. If I see someone saying something I agree with to some extent and then I learn that they're saying these things for reasons that have nothing to do with the issue, I would not double-down on sharing his viewpoints. This isn't about supporting Palestine, far-right people do not give a shit about foreigners. He wouldn't support his tax money going to Palestinians either. He's a grifter antisemite who would support anyone that is seen as adversarial towards Israelis or Jewish people in general. This man literally believes COVID is retribution for the Jews killing Jesus...

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Btw, I don't know where the right wing stands, I see trump and his eldest son supporting Israel and others rights are against it. The same apply on leftists.

The far-right are antisemitic, if they're supporting Israel it has nothing to do with supporting them for any moral reasons, but rather geopolitical ones.

The more moderate view, and this includes people right and left, is supporting Israel's right to exist. Because the alternative is... well, there's those who wish to wipe them off the face of the planet. But even then, people play it way too safe and do not speak on the conflict even though it is largely one-sided.

 

[Raven]

He has an axe to grind with Jews themselves, not zionists or Israelis. If I see someone saying something I agree with to some extent and then I learn that they're saying these things for reasons that have nothing to do with the issue, I would not double-down on sharing his viewpoints. This isn't about supporting Palestine, far-right people do not give a shit about foreigners. He wouldn't support his tax money going to Palestinians either. He's a grifter antisemite who would support anyone that is seen as adversarial towards Israelis or Jewish people in general. This man literally believes COVID is retribution for the Jews killing Jesus...

Good point you make, the far right wing don't care about foreigners, So yeah his support for Palestine is an excuse to hate on Jews and entirely fake. But what can we do, People are desperate to see anyone from the US who has a platform talking about Israel crimes in a hope that US would stop funding them. I can assure you that most people in the middle east don't know what is right or left is in America and share just what they see fitting to their cause. Like no body would do a research about a guy lives in a different country when that very guy support them. However, thanks for telling me about him, I hate fake supporting.

I was searching for a video for a guy in a church claims that Trump is still in power and have the privilege to call the military and give them the code to attack whenever he wants, Sounds like same type of crazy.

The more moderate view, and this includes people right and left, is supporting Israel's right to exist. Because the alternative is... well, there's those who wish to wipe them off the face of the planet. But even then, people play it way too safe and do not speak on the conflict even though it is largely one-sided

I see.

 

[xi0]

Pedophile apologist smearing other jews for taking exception with Israel's actions. Lovely.

 

[Sanity Check]

Report: IDF drawing up plans to strike Iran’s nuclear program

Newspaper says IDF chief has asked for options to derail atomic production, day after Likud minister warned Israel could attack Islamic Republic if US rejoins nuclear deal

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel threatened military action in january 2021.

If Joe Biden continued the iran nuclear deal.

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Right wing is anti iran and pro israel. (Right wing Trump killed iranian general Soleimani)

Left wing is anti israel and pro iran. (Left wing democrats were very very sad when general Soleimani died)

 

[xi0]

Report: IDF drawing up plans to strike Iran’s nuclear program

Newspaper says IDF chief has asked for options to derail atomic production, day after Likud minister warned Israel could attack Islamic Republic if US rejoins nuclear deal

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel threatened military action in january 2021.

If Joe Biden continued the iran nuclear deal.

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I've said multiple times since january 2021 that Joe Biden shouldn't continue the iran deal to maintain peace in the middle east.

But who cares about that, its all Donald Trump and the right wing's fault, am I right.

So to counter Iran maybe getting a nuclear deal the IDF decided to protect Israelis while they forcefully evict Palestinians from their homes and bomb Gaza?

2+2 = potato

 

[Sanity Check]

So to counter Iran maybe getting a nuclear deal the IDF decided to protect Israelis while they forcefully evict Palestinians from their homes and bomb Gaza?

2+2 = potato

Do palestinians want to live next to israel.

Capitalism could make itself useful by starting a gofundme to help palestinians move somewhere nicer.

Maybe they could live in democrat cities who are always so enthusiastic about open borders, multiculturalism and diversity.

 

[xi0]

Do palestinians want to live next to israel.

Capitalism could make itself useful by starting a gofundme to help palestinians move somewhere nicer.

Maybe they could live in democrat cities who are always so enthusiastic about open borders, multiculturalism and diversity.

Do you think this is witty and relevant to the actual situation there? Because...what?

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Like, I'm not sure if you're just shitposting or thinking you're making a point, but the situation in Israel has been developing for over 70 years. Viewing it through an exclusively US-centric lense and acting like it's somehow worse due to an administration that isn't even 5 months old when the US's policy there has largely been the same regardless of political affiliation is just ridiculous.

 

[Sanity Check]

Do you think this is witty and relevant to the actual situation there? Because...what?

--- Double Post Merged, May 15, 2021, Original Post Date: May 15, 2021 ---

Like, I'm not sure if you're just shitposting or thinking you're making a point, but the situation in Israel has been developing for over 70 years. Viewing it through an exclusively US-centric lense and acting like it's somehow worse due to an administration that isn't even 5 months old when the US's policy there has largely been the same regardless of political affiliation is just ridiculous.

Trump imposed harsh sanctions against iran waging a military campaign against iranian leaders like general Soleimani.

Democrats countered by helping iran acquire nukes by green lighting the iran nuclear deal as soon as Joe Biden was sworn in.

It never has been a one sided issue.

I would like to think everyone would agree the best option is defusing the violent situation to turn it into a peaceful one.

My preference would be to ease tensions and reach a compromise of some type.

No one will win a war. Everyone loses if war breaks out.

The bible prophesizes war on the plains of megiddo. Perhaps it is inevitable. But I would prefer to avoid it if possible.

If anyone has good ideas on how to prevent war in the middle east -- I would be very happy to hear them.