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Is it me or have jump has been loosing it’s steam lately. Nothing is really hitting me besides MHA, Sakamoto, Undead, blue box and JJK lately. All of the battle shonen just feels super subpar imo. I mean they aren’t awful but not really high end stuff like jump is known for with the exception of sakamoto days and UU. I am behind on mashle tho so idk how good the story is currently.
 

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Is it me or have jump has been loosing it’s steam lately. Nothing is really hitting me besides MHA, Sakamoto, Undead, blue box and JJK lately. All of the battle shonen just feels super subpar imo. I mean they aren’t awful but not really high end stuff like jump is known for with the exception of sakamoto days and UU. I am behind on mashle tho so idk how good the story is currently.
Unfortunately I think thats just you.

Also you mention five series, thats almost half the magazine. What more do you want?
 

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Unfortunately I think thats just you.

Also you mention five series, thats almost half the magazine. What more do you want?
2 of those are veterans. Only 3 of the relatively new series lately seems above average. I am not saying it is bad currently but comparing it to how it was since first half 2020 (even then the veterans carried shonen jump hard) it has been losing it’s steam imo.
 

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Unfortunately I think thats just you.

Also you mention five series, thats almost half the magazine. What more do you want?
That's only one-fourth of the magazine?

Is it me or have jump has been loosing it’s steam lately. Nothing is really hitting me besides MHA, Sakamoto, Undead, blue box and JJK lately. All of the battle shonen just feels super subpar imo. I mean they aren’t awful but not really high end stuff like jump is known for with the exception of sakamoto days and UU. I am behind on mashle tho so idk how good the story is currently.
Three of those five series are brand new. It would be strange to say that it's "losing its steam" whenever the best series are the newest ones. If anything that means it's picking up.

It's definitely weaker than before the Mass Extinction (act-age, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, Food Wars!, Haikyu!!, Hinomaru Sumo, The Promised Neverland, We Never Learn, Yuuna).

But that doesn't necessarily mean that Jump has been losing its quality. The difference is that those series were all 2-4+ years old when they ended. Right now, the only series with more than two years of publication are One Piece, MHA, Dr. Stone, Black Clover, and JJK. You're comparing the quality of series with 200+ chapters to series with around 50.

It's hard to rebuild a magazine in a year. A good portion of the roster (Yozakura, UU, AyaTri, Magu, Roboco, HSF) are series probably wouldn't have survived when the magazine was more competitive. In a sense, you could consider them "placeholder series" that exist until bona fide hits emerge to replace them. If you think "the average series isn't as good anymore", it's because WSJ isn't only full of "successes" like it was in 2020. It has to build that up again.

Still, we have Mashle and TES as pretty stable successes, and WW, Sakamoto Days, and BB, which all have the potential for bright futures (and I think 4/5 of these are way above average). And the year isn't even over yet.

Which is why I don't think Jump is "losing its steam". I think it's still going full-force, it just doesn't have a lot of cushions to fall back on, since it lost most of its veterans. If you step away for two years and come back once it has developed a fair number of hits, I think you'll see a magazine that's on par with the way it was in previous years. We're just in a transitional period.
 

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That's only one-fourth of the magazine?



Three of those five series are brand new. It would be strange to say that it's "losing its steam" whenever the best series are the newest ones. If anything that means it's picking up.

It's definitely weaker than before the Mass Extinction (act-age, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, Food Wars!, Haikyu!!, Hinomaru Sumo, The Promised Neverland, We Never Learn, Yuuna).

But that doesn't necessarily mean that Jump has been losing its quality. The difference is that those series were all 2-4+ years old when they ended. Right now, the only series with more than two years of publication are One Piece, MHA, Dr. Stone, Black Clover, and JJK. You're comparing the quality of series with 200+ chapters to series with around 50.

It's hard to rebuild a magazine in a year. A good portion of the roster (Yozakura, UU, AyaTri, Magu, Roboco, HSF) are series probably wouldn't have survived when the magazine was more competitive. In a sense, you could consider them "placeholder series" that exist until bona fide hits emerge to replace them. If you think "the average series isn't as good anymore", it's because WSJ isn't only full of "successes" like it was in 2020. It has to build that up again.

Still, we have Mashle and TES as pretty stable successes, and WW, Sakamoto Days, and BB, which all have the potential for bright futures (and I think 4/5 of these are way above average). And the year isn't even over yet.

Which is why I don't think Jump is "losing its steam". I think it's still going full-force, it just doesn't have a lot of cushions to fall back on, since it lost most of its veterans. If you step away for two years and come back once it has developed a fair number of hits, I think you'll see a magazine that's on par with the way it was in previous years. We're just in a transitional period.
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Aren't a lot of the gag series like that? You take the central gimmick (little kid who is learning about the world for Yotsuba, entire family in highschool, otherworldly godly beings, etc for Jump) and just show situations those things lead to in a day to day mostly episodic format? I haven't read Yotsuba&! in a while and didn't read very much so maybe it wasn't as comedy focused as I remember though.
 

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Magu-chan is essentially slice of life at its core. It has brief bits of plot here and there, but they never last long and most of the series is the regular daily shenanigans of Ruru, Magu, and the friends.
 

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That looks fricking cool, damn I wish Shueisha releases those as cover jackets. OR maybe make a special edition of Dragon Ball with those illustrations as cover jackets? I mean that would be pretty greedy lol, if they release them separately as cover jackets I'd probably buy them.

Anyway excited to see another mangaka with more realistic styles do their versions, especially excited for Toriyama's contemporaries, although most don't work/are published in Shueisha anymore.. Katsura is a shoe-in, and so is Araki I guess.. Inoue is on good terms with Shueisha still, so yeah definitely him, too.

Maybe even authors from other publishers will remake a volume cover?
 

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Magu-chan is essentially slice of life at its core. It has brief bits of plot here and there, but they never last long and most of the series is the regular daily shenanigans of Ruru, Magu, and the friends.
And apparently it's not working as it doesn't attract the public.
 

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That's only one-fourth of the magazine?



Three of those five series are brand new. It would be strange to say that it's "losing its steam" whenever the best series are the newest ones. If anything that means it's picking up.

It's definitely weaker than before the Mass Extinction (act-age, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, Food Wars!, Haikyu!!, Hinomaru Sumo, The Promised Neverland, We Never Learn, Yuuna).

But that doesn't necessarily mean that Jump has been losing its quality. The difference is that those series were all 2-4+ years old when they ended. Right now, the only series with more than two years of publication are One Piece, MHA, Dr. Stone, Black Clover, and JJK. You're comparing the quality of series with 200+ chapters to series with around 50.

It's hard to rebuild a magazine in a year. A good portion of the roster (Yozakura, UU, AyaTri, Magu, Roboco, HSF) are series probably wouldn't have survived when the magazine was more competitive. In a sense, you could consider them "placeholder series" that exist until bona fide hits emerge to replace them. If you think "the average series isn't as good anymore", it's because WSJ isn't only full of "successes" like it was in 2020. It has to build that up again.

Still, we have Mashle and TES as pretty stable successes, and WW, Sakamoto Days, and BB, which all have the potential for bright futures (and I think 4/5 of these are way above average). And the year isn't even over yet.

Which is why I don't think Jump is "losing its steam". I think it's still going full-force, it just doesn't have a lot of cushions to fall back on, since it lost most of its veterans. If you step away for two years and come back once it has developed a fair number of hits, I think you'll see a magazine that's on par with the way it was in previous years. We're just in a transitional period.
WSJ is not losing steam but it is also at a standstill and is not striving to find better titles.

In the past many people saw jump+ as a refuge for bad manga, but nowadays most of the manga in jump+ are better and have higher sales.
 

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WSJ is not losing steam but it is also at a standstill and is not striving to find better titles.

In the past many people saw jump+ as a refuge for bad manga, but nowadays most of the manga in jump+ are better and have higher sales.
Only two ongoing J+ manga have good sales, Dandadan will probably join the list but the rest are extremely low in that regard
 

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Only two ongoing J+ manga have good sales, Dandadan will probably join the list but the rest are extremely low in that regard
And yet these two sell more than most manga of jump.
 

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In the past many people saw jump+ as a refuge for bad manga, but nowadays most of the manga in jump+ are better and have higher sales.
I dont remember people saying that, I remember people wanting a few early terminated manga to transfer there but not every single one. It's not like it was something unpresidented.

also isnt that false, theres lots of jump+ mamga that failed to get popular and had early terminations.
 

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WSJ is not losing steam but it is also at a standstill and is not striving to find better titles.

In the past many people saw jump+ as a refuge for bad manga, but nowadays most of the manga in jump+ are better and have higher sales.
2021:
  • The Elusive Samurai
  • Witch Watch
  • Blue Box

Wym "not striving to find better titles" that's like all they do. We literally just had a batch. Red Hood may not have had the reception Jump was hoping for but it's not like they didn't want it to be good lol.

And it's okay for Jump+ to have successful series too lmao, its not like WSJ is the only magazine allowed to have hits lmao.
Jump+ has 60 series with like 3-4 hits. Jump has 19 series with 7 hits and even more with hit potential. Calm yourself lmao.
 
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