Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[OniluapL]

Better is subjective, and I might actually agree with that (although I would suggest caution regarding those statements, Jump+ has a ton of stuff, to the point that it's hard to say what is the "average" quality of the series there). But most series in plus don't sell very well at all. There's a fair amount that sells less than the lowest-selling series in Jump. Kaiju and Spy are the absolute exception. If you're using them as an example you might as well say Bessatsu Shounen Magazine was more succesful because they had Attack on Titan. Or Young Animal because they have Sangatsu no Lion (and had Berserk).

 

[Stivie]

Tokyo Revengers is selling better than almost all of jump rn but that doesn't mean wsj is worse off than wsm

But it's weaker, especially after losing seven veterans.

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2021:

• The Elusive Samurai
• Witch Watch
• Blue Box

Wym "not striving to find better titles" that's like all they do. We literally just had a batch. Red Hood may not have had the reception Jump was hoping for but it's not like they didn't want it to be good lol.

And it's okay for Jump+ to have successful series too lmao, its not like WSJ is the only magazine allowed to have hits lmao.
Jump+ has 60 series with like 3-4 hits. Jump has 19 series with 7 hits and even more with hit potential. Calm yourself lmao.

And yet, jump isn't all that wonderful you're aiming for. since there are several mangas that sell little and don't even exceed 30K.

Think better before saying something.

 

[galaxy-juice]

But it's weaker, especially after losing seven veterans.

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And yet, jump isn't all that wonderful you're aiming for. since there are several mangas that sell little and don't even exceed 30K.

Think better before saying something.

Obviously lol. That's why we have batches to remove badly-performing series like ITC or Kowloon, and introduce new series to replace them like Sakamoto Days.

Do... do you not know how Jump works?

 

[Stivie]

Obviously lol. That's why we have batches to remove badly-performing series like ITC or Kowloon, and introduce new series to replace them like Sakamoto Days.

Do... do you not know how Jump works?

And because there's still HSF and magu, isn't that right...

You also don't know how jump works. nobody knows.

 

[Minsel]

And because there's still HSF and magu, isn't that right...

You also don't know how jump works. nobody knows.

They are trying to find a new gag thats why we had the gagbowl, it's just that these are final 3 competitors and they don't know who's the best or if they should keep all 3

 

[galaxy-juice]

Actually, I think there are only four series that sell less than 30K

• High School Family (V1: 3.636 | V2: 5.614)
• Magu-chan (V2: 9.500 | V3: 6.826 | V4: 8.778)
• Roboco (V1: 11.404 | V2: 14.477 | V3: 12.128)
• Sakamoto Days (V1: 15.017 | V2: 24.003)

And because there's still HSF and magu, isn't that right...

You also don't know how jump works. nobody knows.

If you look at the eight series axed this year (Agravity Boys, Moriking, Our Blood Oath, Phantom Seer, Build King, Cop & Dolphin, i tell c, and Kowloon), you'll see that all of these sold less than Magu-chan-- with two exceptions being Agravity Boys (sold about ~9K) and Phantom Seer.

On the other hand, HSF volume 2 sold more than Moriking, OBO, i tell c, and Kowloon.

In other words, the only series between HSF and Magu are Build King and Cop & Dolphin, which were written by much more popular veterans with much higher expectations. And if HSF volume 3 grows as much as volume 2 did, it will surpass both of those series.

You've made up a narrative that isn't supported by reality. Magu-chan is stagnant, but every series that has been axed this year (with the exception of Phantom Seer) was also stagnant, but they sold worse. So take a chill pill. Read some wholesome slice-of-life to help you relax-- I recommend Magu-chan.

 

[Manjiknights]

There definitely is not a lot of dead weight in the magazine atm, it’s slowly rebuilding itself with really only Candy Flurry (next to go, no question), HSF, and Magu being precarious. It’s too early for the new series but based on pretty lackluster J+ and PV views Neru could pretty easily be the next Kowloon and I wouldn’t be shocked at all. Jury’s out on Red Hood, it has a decent amount of attention so far at least. Everything else in the magazine is selling over 30k and most are growing or at least stable at a good enough amount. Only UU is declining but it’s still good enough for now considering it still gets promotion, though I wonder if things would be different if it hadn’t won the Next Manga Awards. Considering how a handful of very promising series have entered the magazine in the last 9 months or so (Sakamoto Days, Elusive Samurai, Witch Watch, Blue Box) I’m not really worried about it for now until the big pillars start leaving in the next couple years. But they have time.

The gagbowl is a bit of a leftover from when the magazine was much emptier but I don’t think it’ll be around much longer. I think if they had to cut only one at the end of the year it would be High School Family. Roboco is beyond safe for now, that much is obvious. I’m starting to lean toward Magu making it to next year as well. They underestimated the demand for merchandise hard judging by how quickly the plush went out of stock and scalpers are actually getting away with selling it at marked up prices (there’s like one left on Mercari as I write, rest are all sold). Between that and the promo still going on they will probably continue to try and milk it until they hit a wall with merch whether the volume sales improve or not. HSF is getting a color page which shows it’s gonna make it through the next round but otherwise it just isn’t as close to its contemporaries, which at least consistently sell over 10k (which granted is not a high bar).

 

[Stivie]

Actually, I think there are only four series that sell less than 30K

• High School Family (V1: 3.636 | V2: 5.614)
• Magu-chan (V2: 9.500 | V3: 6.826 | V4: 8.778)
• Roboco (V1: 11.404 | V2: 14.477 | V3: 12.128)
• Sakamoto Days (V1: 15.017 | V2: 24.003)

If you look at the eight series axed this year (Agravity Boys, Moriking, Our Blood Oath, Phantom Seer, Build King, Cop & Dolphin, i tell c, and Kowloon), you'll see that all of these sold less than Magu-chan-- with two exceptions being Agravity Boys (sold about ~9K) and Phantom Seer.

On the other hand, HSF volume 2 sold more than Moriking, OBO, i tell c, and Kowloon.

In other words, the only series between HSF and Magu are Build King and Cop & Dolphin, which were written by much more popular veterans with much higher expectations. And if HSF volume 3 grows as much as volume 2 did, it will surpass both of those series.

You've made up a narrative that isn't supported by reality. Magu-chan is stagnant, but every series that has been axed this year (with the exception of Phantom Seer) was also stagnant, but they sold worse. So take a chill pill. Read some wholesome slice-of-life to help you relax-- I recommend Magu-chan.

You showed that only Sakamoto is worth keeping in the magazine, the others should have been canceled by now.

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Phantom seer had better sales than magu.

 

[SharkBait]

There definitely is not a lot of dead weight in the magazine atm, it’s slowly rebuilding itself with really only Candy Flurry (next to go, no question), HSF, and Magu being precarious.

I think anything cut along will Candy Flurry will cause people to be angry.

I dont know why both HSF and Magu would be cut after launching promo campaigns. I dont think theyre in precarious situations anymore than Undead Unlock, Yozakura Family, and Ayakashi Triangle may be.

 

[galaxy-juice]

I think anything cut along will Candy Flurry will cause people to be angry.

I dont know why both HSF and Magu would he cut after launch promo campaigns.

They're saying after Candy Flurry is axed, the most likely series to be cut will be Magu-chan, HSF, Red Hood, or Neru.

I know you think UU is on the verge of cancellation, so that's another option, but I think that is probably less likely than axing one or two of the other four.

 

[Pietro]

It looks like Jump will sell also Naputaku and Uneras plushies from Magu chan (due to the huge successor the first one)

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They're saying after Candy Flurry is axed, the most likely series to be cut will be Magu-chan, HSF, Red Hood, or Neru.

I know you think UU is on the verge of cancellation, so that's another option, but I think that is probably less likely than axing one or two of the other four.

Or maybe none of the it will be canceled and they will wait some series to end naturally. Is it even possible it? Or they are forced to publish always new series?

 

[OniluapL]

It looks like Jump will sell also Naputaku and Uneras plushies from Magu chan (due to the huge successor the first one)

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Or maybe none of the it will be canceled and they will wait some series to end naturally. Is it even possible it? Or they are forced to publish always new series?

They arent forced, of course, but they always have new blood with new ideas coming, so they shouldnt keep everyone waiting that long. And a new shot at something that might be a hit is always preferrable (to them) than let a unpopular series keep going enough to have a satisfying end. But maybe if they really are in a rut regarding upcoming series maybe they will let things run, who knows.

 

[SharkBait]

It looks like Jump will sell also Naputaku and Uneras plushies from Magu chan (due to the huge successor the first one)

people saying Magu-chan is a cancellation contender may need to reasses their logic. We've got a bona fide hit on our hands. The anime's announcements gonna be wild.

I want Uneras.

 

[Konja9]

Phantom seer had better sales than magu.

I know you're angry about that, but WSJ likely has reaaons for their decisions.

Phantom Seer sells better than Magu, but the sales weren't so incredible either. (If the sales were really incredible, the positions in the ToC will lilely improve).

At the end, I think editors chose variety for the magazine over another exorcist manga with decent sales.

 

[Stivie]

I know you're angry about that, but WSJ likely has reaaons for their decisions.

Phantom Seer sells better than Magu, but the sales weren't so incredible either. (If the sales were really incredible, the positions in the ToC will lilely improve).

At the end, I think editors chose variety for the magazine over another exorcist manga with decent sales.

If sales aren't a strong reason to keep a manga, then shuesha should give away her and distribute her manga for free.

Besides, it's no use having campaigns and promos if it doesn't bring profit to the company.

 

[SharkBait]

Besides, it's no use having campaigns and promos if it doesn't bring profit to the company.

how can you say it isn't bringing profit when just last month Magu-chan got reprints, proof that promoting it is getting people to buy older volumes. Just because you dont see Magu in the Top500 doesn't mean it is selling 0 copies and the manga is collecting dust on bookshelves in stores.

 

[Stivie]

how can you say it isn't bringing profit when just last month Magu-chan got reprints, proof that promoting it is getting people to buy older volumes. Just because you dont see Magu in the Top500 doesn't mean it is selling 0 copies and the manga is collecting dust on bookshelves in stores.

Weak reprints are not generating profit.

 

[SharkBait]

Weak reprints are not generating profit.

I dont understand what more do you want, the manga is being reprinted, merchandise is selling it out...when the anime comes and gets multiple seasons and adapts it in full, will you still be unhappy and unconvinced that magu is a popular and successful manga?

 

[Konja9]

If sales aren't a strong reason to keep a manga, then shuesha should give away her and distribute her manga for free.

Besides, it's no use having campaigns and promos if it doesn't bring profit to the company.

Sales are important for Shueisha.

However, you seem to forget that the magazine sales are important too. That's why they try to have variety in the magazine, since it would attract more people to buy the magazine.

Phantom Seer had decent (but not great) sales. In the magazine, it was just another shonen of fights.

 

[Manjiknights]

Reprints don’t mean anything in terms of survival anymore. Phantom Seer got multiple, Cop and Dolphin had a full series reprint, still axed. Magu-chan is probably like Dolphin in that since the initial print was relatively low it dwindled over time, so might as well try to keep it stocked. We don’t even know when exactly the reprint hit or how many volumes it was. Anyways, I didn’t say that merch selling is going to make Magu a guaranteed hit, and I can’t tell if SharkBait is being serious here or trolling. I think it will a) lead to them producing more merchandise, probably of other characters since Naputaaku is poised to win the popularity poll atm and b) keep it alive for a little while longer while they try to see if they can make it grow at all. I think it’s secure for the immediate future, but personally I don’t see the success of the merch leading to much of an increase in volume sales, and that will probably do it in eventually.