Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[SharkBait]

Reprints don’t mean anything in terms of survival anymore. Phantom Seer got multiple, Cop and Dolphin had a full series reprint, still axed. Magu-chan is probably like Dolphin in that since the initial print was relatively low it dwindled over time, so might as well try to keep it stocked. We don’t even know when exactly the reprint hit or how many volumes it was. Anyways, I didn’t say that merch selling is going to make Magu a guaranteed hit, and I can’t tell if SharkBait is being serious here or trolling. I think it will a) lead to them producing more merchandise, probably of other characters since Naputaaku is poised to win the popularity poll atm and b) keep it alive for a little while longer while they try to see if they can make it grow at all. I think it’s secure for the immediate future, but personally I don’t see the success of the merch leading to much of an increase in volume sales, and that will probably do it in eventually.

The difference is, Magu has strong ranks and we've seen time and time again that Ranking trumps sales.

I bet when the ranking dudes make the average ranking post over x number of weeks, people will realize Magu is a consistent good performer in ranks, justifying its importance in the magazine.

Phantom Seer and Cop & Dolphin weren't strong rankers.

 

[Stivie]

The difference is, Magu has strong ranks and we've seen time and time again that Ranking trumps sales.

I bet when the ranking dudes make the average ranking post over x number of weeks, people will realize Magu is a consistent good performer in ranks, justifying its importance in the magazine.

Phantom Seer and Cop & Dolphin weren't strong rankers.

Magu chan's performance is worse than roboko's, besides magu chan's sales are at a standstill as well as undead and ayakashi triangle, but at least these two sell over 30K and magu chan hasn't gone over 20K in just a volume.

Rankers are not an absolute certainty of popularity.

 

[OtterBrigade]

maybe we'll get a new mod soon and people won't keep getting baited into another Magu vs Phantom Seer thing every week

 

[galaxy-juice]

The difference is, Magu has strong ranks and we've seen time and time again that Ranking trumps sales.

I bet when the ranking dudes make the average ranking post over x number of weeks, people will realize Magu is a consistent good performer in ranks, justifying its importance in the magazine.

Phantom Seer and Cop & Dolphin weren't strong rankers.

The past eight rankings of Magu-chan have been 10-12-10-10-12-14-9-10. That's an average of 10.8.

This puts it at about ~16th in the magazine, or second to last. Just above Candy Flurry.

That isn't to put Magu-chan down, since everything Manji has said has been correct. But come on. At least check before you make outrageous claims.

Rankers are not an absolute certainty of popularity.

Neither is sales. We don't know how Jump measures popularity for every individual series. Let's put this conversation aside now, please. How long does it take to find a new mod?

 

[SharkBait]

Magu chan's performance is worse than roboko's, besides magu chan's sales are at a standstill as well as undead and ayakashi triangle, but at least these two sell over 30K and magu chan hasn't gone over 20K in just a volume.

Reprints of Magu-chan would mean Magu-chan has to be at more than 20K a volume though, so, it could have higher sales than you say.

 

[Stivie]

The past eight rankings of Magu-chan have been 10-12-10-10-12-14-9-10. That's an average of 10.8.

This puts it at about ~16th in the magazine, or second to last. Just above Candy Flurry.

That isn't to put Magu-chan down, since everything Manji has said has been correct. But come on. At least check before you make outrageous claims.



Neither is sales. We don't know how Jump measures popularity for every individual series. Let's put this conversation aside now, please. How long does it take to find a new mod?

And do you think staying above just candy flurry is good?

Sorry, but that's still a bad rank.

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Reprints of Magu-chan would mean Magu-chan has to be at more than 20K a volume though, so, it could have higher sales than you say.

That's just your guess. so far there hasn't been anything official that magu has gone over 20K.

 

[KagamiKuroko]

Geez can we drop this?

Instead let’s discuss why elusive samurai has no presence in the west despite being quite successful in japan and having a very popular creator behind it

 

[Manjiknights]

Reprints of Magu-chan would mean Magu-chan has to be at more than 20K a volume though, so, it could have higher sales than you say.

How many times do people have to go over that circulation =/= sales. Could 20k circ for Magu be possible, yes (especially volume 1 since it’s had probably two reprints now). It has not had 20k in physical sales for any volume. Also in no world are Magu’s ranks good right now. But the bottom of the magazine is also extremely volatile so it doesn’t tell us that much about any series not named Candy Flurry.

maybe we'll get a new mod soon and people won't keep getting baited into another Magu vs Phantom Seer thing every week

Liferally it is impossible to have any kind of nuanced discussion at all here particularly when Magu is brought up. I try to inform people here what I learn and make projections and it turns into the same damn thing over and over, it’s like people are either blithely overly optimistic or want things dead tomorrow. Many of you don’t know me outside this thread; I can guarantee you 10x over I am a bigger shill for Magu-chan than anyone in here, but I don’t make outlandish claims about it because I know when to be realistic. Don’t know why I’m bothering with this thread anymore, must be really bored and really desperate to run my mouth.

 

[SharkBait]

Geez can we drop this?

Instead let’s discuss why elusive samurai has no presence in the west despite being quite successful in japan and having a very popular creator behind it

the same reason why assclass wasn't really a thing until the anime in the west, same for saiki kusuo, kingdom, etc. Only hardcores follow manga from the start, maybe they jump in later when crazy things happen (like chainsawman).

 

[KagamiKuroko]

the same reason why assclass wasn't really a thing until the anime in the west, same for saiki kusuo, kingdom, etc. Only hardcores follow manga from the start, maybe they jump in later when crazy things happen (like chainsawman).

I mean ES had less views than Candy flurry on M+ last I saw so it’s not just that it’s a young series

 

[SharkBait]

I mean ES had less views than Candy flurry on M+ last I saw so it’s not just that it’s a young series

I wish M+ included the middle chapters. I wonder if that is also holding it back, even if say people do get interested, they'll have to go some where else

IMO, I think Elusive Samurai suffers from the historical thing. I think the setting is not that appealing for most people, and maybe the ages of the characters are a little low too.

 

[OtterBrigade]

Geez can we drop this?

Instead let’s discuss why elusive samurai has no presence in the west despite being quite successful in japan and having a very popular creator behind it

I think the topic (historical Japanese figure) and the first few chapters being kinda mixed turned a lot of people off. When it gets an anime it will probably gain some popularity (although I still doubt it will be super popular here)

 

[Thehoennhippo]

Yeah being a historical manga about Japan might turn people off in the West, but also imo the manga isn't all that great either and I probably wouldn't be reading it if it didn't take like 2 minutes when I'm already on the website for the rest of Jump. Either way as Otter said it will absolutely gain a bigger audience when it inevitably gets an anime, that's such a huge factor to getting a manga an audience here.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Question, what are the average views for the post-Yozakura series on Jump+?

 

[Rukasu]

 

[savethecat]

Both Neuro and Assassination Classroom weren't all that popular in the west either. AssClass had a niche following, but wasn't remotely close to its popularity in Japan. Don't think Elusive Samurai was ever gonna have a large presence in the west

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Both Neuro and Assassination Classroom weren't all that popular in the west either. AssClass had a niche following, but wasn't remotely close to its popularity in Japan. Don't think Elusive Samurai was ever gonna have a large presence in the west

Ansatsu anime is hardly what you can consider "niche" here, the 1st season is at #33 in the ranking of most popular animes on MAL with over 1.4 million users, this is higher than series like Shokugeki no Souma, Jujutsu Kaisen, Black Clover, Haikyuu and other dozen of western "mainstream" series, not to mention it's on Netflix and even broadcasted on TV (here in Brazil too), people definitely know Ansatsu outside the hardcore bubble.

 

[Thehoennhippo]

Kinda bland with the blank background but Miura’s character art is as great as always.

 

[Minsel]

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Shoseki Weekly
#38 Black Clover
#73 Elusive Samurai 15,353
#194 Undead Unluck 5,597
#201 Yozakura Family 5,285
#315 Phantom Seer 3,700
#417 Roboco 3,731

30th place 41000/50th place 19700/100th place 10250/200th place 5300/300th place 3850/400th place 2850/500th place 2150

 

[susanoo13]

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 20, 2021, Original Post Date: Jul 20, 2021 ---

Shoseki Weekly
#38 Black Clover
#73 Elusive Samurai 15,353
#194 Undead Unluck 5,597
#201 Yozakura Family 5,285
#315 Phantom Seer 3,700
#417 Roboco 3,731

30th place 41000/50th place 19700/100th place 10250/200th place 5300/300th place 3850/400th place 2850/500th place 2150

I hope a big backlog for MHA is coming, I don't recall it reappearing in the top after more than a month unless it was simply not stated