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Don't worry... Red hood and neru are doing great already. Probably will be a success greater than Undead or Sakamoto days.
Oh no I was reacting how savethecat reacted non challant towards sharkBait. I have not many problems against red hood, I hope it survives. The problem is the impatience of readers
 

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So The Prince of Tennis CGI play stuff is the 3rd of September.


I'm curious about why The Prince of Tennis is the less popular spokon in West. I understand Haikyuu, Slam Dunk and Captain Tsubasa being bigger, but Eyeshield 21 and Kuroko no Basket are bigger too and there is very small reception on PoT. Despite PoT being the third most succesful Jump spokon ever (only after Slam Dunk and Captain Tsubasa) and being the most important manga of the 00s decade (after the Big-3 and probably Gintama).
 

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So The Prince of Tennis CGI play stuff is the 3rd of September.


I'm curious about why The Prince of Tennis is the less popular spokon in West. I understand Haikyuu, Slam Dunk and Captain Tsubasa being bigger, but Eyeshield 21 and Kuroko no Basket are bigger too and there is very small reception on PoT. Despite PoT being the third most succesful Jump spokon ever (only after Slam Dunk and Captain Tsubasa) and being the most important manga of the 00s decade (after the Big-3 and probably Gintama).
I think a good deal of that has to do with how those sports operate at the youth level, and how accessible they are.

Let’s break down those series’ respective sports:

Kuroko and Slam Dunk: Basketball
ES21: American Football
Captain Tsubasa: Soccer
Haikyuu: Volleyball

The first 3 are sports that have strong youth competitions and a lot of pipelines to a professional career. That’s what makes them very popular in the west, because any kid can try out those sports even when you don’t have a lot of money. All you need is a ball, toss them around with your friends, and see if you’ve got a knack for it. Then you try out your luck in youth competitions and see where it takes you.

Volleyball might not be quite as popular the other 3, but it’s still got its following at the University level, at least to my knowledge. Lately though, I’m detecting a uptick of interest in the sport. Perhaps Haikyuu has contributed to that however minimal. But most of all, it’s also as accessible as the other 3.

Another important thing to note is, those sports have strong infrastructures in place in the west, with professional teams often offering youths a chance to join their youth teams through scouting. That strong infrastructure in place is also why those sports are attractive to youths in the west, as it provides them a chance at a professional career doing what they love.

Aside from all that, it also boils down to one thing: Money. It doesn’t cost a lot of money in equipment and logistics for people to dive into those sports. One interesting exception to note is Soccer. In the U.S. In other parts of the world, you’d see kids around the corner playing the game, regardless of their socioeconomic status. But Soccer in the U.S. is an exception to that. (It’s also why their Men’s team haven’t had a lot of luck at the W.C.)

I suggest reading this article from Henry Bushnell to learn why that is the case in the U.S. It’s pretty eye-opening, mind you:

 

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I think a good deal of that has to do with how those sports operate at the youth level, and how accessible they are.

Let’s break down those series’ respective sports:

Kuroko and Slam Dunk: Basketball
ES21: American Football
Captain Tsubasa: Soccer
Haikyuu: Volleyball

The first 3 are sports that have strong youth competitions and a lot of pipelines to a professional career. That’s what makes them very popular in the west, because any kid can try out those sports even when you don’t have a lot of money. All you need is a ball, toss them around with your friends, and see if you’ve got a knack for it. Then you try out your luck in youth competitions and see where it takes you.

Volleyball might not be quite as popular the other 3, but it’s still got its following at the University level, at least to my knowledge. Lately though, I’m detecting a uptick of interest in the sport. Perhaps Haikyuu has contributed to that however minimal. But most of all, it’s also as accessible as the other 3.

Another important thing to note is, those sports have strong infrastructures in place in the west, with professional teams often offering youths a chance to join their youth teams through scouting. That strong infrastructure in place is also why those sports are attractive to youths in the west, as it provides them a chance at a professional career doing what they love.

Aside from all that, it also boils down to one thing: Money. It doesn’t cost a lot of money in equipment and logistics for people to dive into those sports. One interesting exception to note is Soccer. In the U.S. In other parts of the world, you’d see kids around the corner playing the game, regardless of their socioeconomic status. But Soccer in the U.S. is an exception to that. (It’s also why their Men’s team haven’t had a lot of luck at the W.C.)

I suggest reading this article from Henry Bushnell to learn why that is the case in the U.S. It’s pretty eye-opening, mind you:

I agree but I also think tennis is in West ultimately more popular than american football, and I think is very accesible too. A thing I liked in PoT was how it combined individual tournaments, team tournaments, single matches and double matches.

An interesting thing in that regard is that in theory tennis doesn't seem to be a popular sport in Japan (I can be wrong), but PoT was really big there and influenced some japanese tennis players like Naomi Osaka.
 

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I agree but I also think tennis is in West ultimately more popular than american football, and I think is very accesible too. A thing I liked in PoT was how it combined individual tournaments, team tournaments, single matches and double matches.

An interesting thing in that regard is that in theory tennis doesn't seem to be a popular sport in Japan (I can be wrong), but PoT was really big there and influenced some japanese tennis players like Naomi Osaka.
If Haikyuu and Slam Dunk taught us anything, then it would be that it doesn't matter that much how popular a sport is in Japan, as long as the manga is just very good. These sports manga weren't successful because the respective sports were already popular, their success made the sports popular.
 

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I agree but I also think tennis is in West ultimately more popular than american football, and I think is very accesible too. A thing I liked in PoT was how it combined individual tournaments, team tournaments, single matches and double matches.

An interesting thing in that regard is that in theory tennis doesn't seem to be a popular sport in Japan (I can be wrong), but PoT was really big there and influenced some japanese tennis players like Naomi Osaka.
Tennis is one of the more expensive sports in the U.S., though not quite as expensive as Golf. There’s the rackets, coaching fees, and Court access fees. It’s not surprising that it’s viewed as some of the more inaccessible ones for those really living in the fringes of society. A kid like LeBron, who grew up and raised by a single mother living on assistances and paycheck to paycheck wouldn’t be a tennis star simply because they wouldn’t be able to afford it.
 

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I dont know where one is living in the usa to say tennis is more accessible and popular than football. Most people could probably only name three US female tennis stars, find it difficult to find a decsnt tennis court, and struggle to find a school district with middle school tennis league, let alone community league or a high school tennis club struggling to recruit members for its mens team.

football at least gets around the price thing by having some financial support from schools, dedicated cheer squad, and marching band, and easily able to attract funds for fubdraiser to make even poorer kids able to play. Also multibiln dollar college and pro industry, etc etc etc.

Tennis like Golf is only a thing when the stars are playing, without tiger woods golf matches were lacking crowds only when he returned did you see people cramming the greens annoyingly.

Without naomi or the williams most people find tennis a nuisance to watch. (well some people do like nadal and federer and well sharapova before retiring)
 

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I'm curious about why The Prince of Tennis is the less popular spokon in West. I understand Haikyuu, Slam Dunk and Captain Tsubasa being bigger, but Eyeshield 21 and Kuroko no Basket are bigger too and there is very small reception on PoT. Despite PoT being the third most succesful Jump spokon ever (only after Slam Dunk and Captain Tsubasa) and being the most important manga of the 00s decade (after the Big-3 and probably Gintama).
I feel there's some selection bias here. I never see Eyeshield 21 discussed outside hardcore manga groups and rarely see Slam Dunk. Even when Slam Dunk is brought up it's usually more as a trivia thing on how well it did in Japan with people being surprised. Meanwhile Funimation recently licensed the entire Prince of Tennis franchise and promised a dub in the future, which has already started (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ne...nce-of-tennis-anime-ovas-on-august-17/.176290). That's not something they would do with a large unpopular series.

I agree with others on tennis but I'm not sure that matters. Volleyball basically requires a gym and nets to play and at least here we have a couple neighbourhood tennis courts (although whenever I walk by it's always older people using them), basketball courts, soccer fields (no football but it's not as big in Canada) while I can't think of any place I could go play volleyball yet I think Haikyu probably is the biggest sports anime/manga series in the west.

I think it's more an age thing. Based on the lack of sports manga being licensed (even stuff like Haikyu took quite a while) for a lengthy period of time after the English bubble popped there didn't seem to be much faith they would do well and that probably had some sort of basis. Prince of Tennis first season is from 2001 with 178 episodes. Haikyu was 2014 and currently has 75 episodes (plus some movies and OVAs), Kuroko's is 2012 and also has around 75 with some movies. If sports series started gaining traction again in the west in the 2010s it makes sense those two would be the ones to gain popularity over a decade old tennis series with nearly 200 episodes that wasn't legally streaming anywhere (Hulu has the first 50 and that's it).
 

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Meanwhile Funimation recently licensed the entire Prince of Tennis franchise and promised a dub in the future, which has already started (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ne...nce-of-tennis-anime-ovas-on-august-17/.176290). That's not something they would do with a large unpopular series.
I would think this is the reason prince of tennis is not popular except for the oldest of anime fans. There was no way to watch it for a whole decade and even the bit CR had was discontinouous. (prince of tennis 2 is removed, pot 1 is not there anymore). Contrary to popular belief, most people do not go out of their way to download old shows.
 

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Weekly Shonen Jump #39/2021 HQ preview!!


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"Vivi's Adventure" by Naoshi Komi (mangaka of Nisekoi) color preview 😍 😍 😍

 

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Weekly Shonen Jump #39/2021 HQ preview!!


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"Vivi's Adventure" by Naoshi Komi (mangaka of Nisekoi) color preview 😍 😍 😍

luffy looks so good.
 

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Weekly Shonen Jump #39/2021 HQ preview!!


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"Vivi's Adventure" by Naoshi Komi (mangaka of Nisekoi) color preview 😍 😍 😍

Will receive two more consecutive OP Spinoffs titles in upcoming issues.
Issue 40: "Shokugeki no Sanji" (#4) by Yūto Tsukuda & Shun Saeki (Mangaka and Author of Food Wars)
Issue 41: "One Piece Gakuen" by Souhei Kouji (Mangaka serializing same title in Saikyō Jump)

Source: (https://one-piece.com/news/detail/20210823_12969)
 

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I know I'm saying this in a situation where Blue Box has became the newbie with the biggest fanbase since probably MHA but my favorite romance right now lies in Yozakura. I'm loving the writing of the relationship between Taiyou and Mutsumi, and I think is slightly better done than Blue Box tbh

In the other hand, Red Hood continues going back strongly. Chapters 1 and 2 were good, chapters 3 and 4 were painfully bad, but chapters 5, 6 and now chapter 7 have been really amazing. I hope the dynamic continues like that, Red Hood is doing good and deserves to live.
 

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WSJ#39: "Vivi's Adventure" special chapter by Naoshi Komi (48 page)
WSJ#40: Shokugeki no Sanji Chapter 4 by Yuto Tsukuda & Shun Saeki & Yuki Morisaki
WSJ#41: One Piece Gakuen special chapter by kouji Souhei (currently published on Saikyo Jump)
 

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WSJ#39: "Vivi's Adventure" special chapter by Naoshi Komi (48 page)
WSJ#40: Shokugeki no Sanji Chapter 4 by Yuto Tsukuda & Shun Saeki & Yuki Morisaki
WSJ#41: One Piece Gakuen special chapter by kouji Souhei (currently published on Saikyo Jump)
I wonder if this means new series in #42, if there's three One Piece specials in a row announced. Generally they don't have two groups of stuff happening at the same time.
 

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How many more chapters until we have enough Shokugeki no Sanji chapters to get a full volume release. Definitely would buy it.
 

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Undead was good, mostly setup, but definitely looking forward to the fights

Mashle was incredibly straightforward and felt like something I've read many times before, but the execution was charming enough to not make it feel played out, and it made good use of it's characters

Ayakashi was good, interested in where this arc is going

Magu was okay, the cast felt kinda meaner than usual, and I wish Uneras just wasn't in this chapter, but it wasn't anything bad

Roboco was was decent, if not wholly unremarkable. Gags were just okay, and outside of the bit at the end didn't really get any big laughs

Meanwhile, HSF was really good, I'm surprised it took this long to do a Sex Ed chapter. Kotaro and the class president's conversation was cute and funny too

Sakamoto was great, I love gambling chapters

Elusive was also great, good comedy, and I loved the talk about living vs dying, especially at the end

Witch was pretty good, a bit quick for taking down the warlock, but still fun stuff

Blue Box was great, I think I might be team Hina, as doomed of a team that it is

Candy was okay, felt like a lot crammed in this chapter, might be moving towards it's end

Hood was decent, not super interested in a training arc right now but we'll see

Neru was good, not a lot to comment on

Dr Stone really hit home this week with Sai and Ryuusui's relationship
 

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Dr. Stone
Neru
Magu
Yozakura Family

were all the best of the week.

Red Hood had some questionable character design and questionable angles, like did we really need to focus in on her thighs and butt from behind as she is walking into the facility, and also what is up with her chest. Just distracting and weird. Also cant help the plot and invalidating the journey thus far. Please cancel this series now.

Neru is the best of the new series, every chapter is better than the other and who knew a barefooted protagonist with the most capable of feet and toes would be such a compelling lead character. Also he has great character art.

Candy Flurry felt like it got the cancellation notice. Sad, as it has lots of good ideas and characters, just the writing is a mess.
 
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