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Madame fallaFar's Daily Horoscope corner!
🔮 With the very last bits of their energy they can muster, the Teller takes to the stars one final time 🔮

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♈ Aries ♈
"Sure, your sign might be considered a little unfiltered, bold and daring even; prone to being bored, one could say. But this also allows you to reach new heights other signs rarely ascend to. This week the Virgo moon will be in descent and Jupiter will be in retrograde, meaning it's high time for you to set out on a new venture. Yet, with the waning sun and rising tides also comes the warning not to overreach. Fate is a zero-sum game, and not one you can always win."

♉Taurus ♉
"Despite your penchant for resting, over long enough periods of time, this might cause rusting. Your all-or-nothing demeanour makes it hard for you to change or to pivot at the exact moment you need. This week you will be once again presented with an opportunity and the stars have aligned for you to reach out. Though it might go against your nature, it might be your destiny."

♊Gemini ♊
"You're charismatic and good with words, both written and in conversation. But your charm has a washing-machine type of effect; others believe you, no matter what you say, and consequently, you start believing it too. In the short term, that works wonders for you. In the long-term, you might find yourself cornered by a lack of good advice, and people around you to balance out your persona. This week, the stars will provide you with an opportunity in disguise to make a change in this. That person who argues against you might actually be looking out for you. For a change, it might be best to let someone else do the talking, and despite all odds, that might enrich your life greatly"

♋ Cancer ♋
"You're a sensitive person who seeks both provide and give comfort. You forgive but don't forget, you set boundaries that are vigilantly guarded and maintained but are willing to take on the problems of others outside of that. You might find that this week requires you to shift the window a little, when a new but unknown problem shows up on the horizon. Though people tend to lose perspective when they face the unknown, the stars can do one better than disorient you, and instead, help you make acquaintance with a whole new worldview. Be open-minded this week, and see where it takes you."

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♌ Leo ♌
"Despite being a little vain, you exude warmth and creativity. Your larger-than-life persona makes you stand out and you like this accompanying a certain degree of luxury. And much like the King of Beasts, you hold back little energy when dealing with problems, both big and small. This week you will be asked to practice restraint and proportionality. Even the Lion needs rest."

♍ Virgo ♍
"The Virgo sign is a compassionate one. You feel the need to be useful to others, no matter what. It helps that usually you are in fact the kind of person who can produce useful solutions. You have a million ideas per second that are produced by a rich tapestry of experience. Your quick thinking makes it so you can find quick fixes to whatever situation. This however does not mean there always is a solution, and you need to make peace with that. This week, try figuring out yourself, too."

♎ Libra ♎
"You hate being alone, but you also hate conflict. You see every side which makes it so you have trouble making decisions. But this week is not the time to get lost in fantasy and lose yourself to eventualities that might never occur. It is time to stand your ground and figure out how to break your current dead-lock. This week, you will have to decide. When you decide, go deeper than trying to understand both sides and instead try to figure out why you feel the need to mediate."

♏ Scorpio ♏
"No sign takes betrayal worse than you do. And this week, you will be indeed faced with betrayal. Not necessarily someone you're close to, but someone you look up to - deem better than yourself - will disappoint you. While revenge is a dish best served callously, this week, it will be important for you to choose your battles, and bide your time. You don't know how much poison you will be needing going forward, and who to use it on, if you take out everything in sight."

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♐ Sagittarius ♐
"You have no indoor voice and form opinions almost exclusively based on how you feel in the moment. Simultaneously, you are driven by self-improvement to the point of it being a fault. Truth is a weapon you use to dish out blunt trauma to all around you, even those who didn't deserve it, much less those who can defend themselves from it. This week you will be faced with a conundrum that requires a bit more emotional intelligence than you usually care to apply. Not for lack of possession of it, however. So tap into this richer side of yourself, and learn to furnish your weapon with this pageantry."

♑ Capricorn ♑
"You're responsible and motivated by duty. Oriented around success, you might be a little hard to approach. Others think it, but you know it. While it may be comfortable keeping up these defences, the stars have a chance meeting for you planned this week that requires you to let down the draw bridge. It's good being an adult, but it's better not to lose sight of your childlike enthusiasms. Staying in touch with your past is not a bad thing if you understand your place in it."

♒ Aquarius ♒
"You are in possession of the best sign. But that doesn't mean you are being your best self. You believe in freedom, having it and living it, but faultily, you also believe the opposite of freedom is restraint. This is not true; a little self-discipline would help you improve in all aspects of your life, and allow you to exploit said freedom better. Being free means the ability to choose and you would do well seeking more input from others before you choose how you want to be free."

♓ Pisces ♓
"They say there's plenty of fish in the sea. And that's true. It's unfortunate then you're a sea-urchin. You also get into a fight with a duck you somehow manage to lose. Best to stay inside"
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🔮 Night Actions 🔮




Aha here are the spicy night actions. Past Nacho's death, the DC didn't have much to vote on... So it was dissolved. Also, empty spaces may indicate that player didn't PM for whatever reason

I was going to do an elaborate player-by-player review like last time, but this time noona did it, and hers were pretty good so I'll stick to those :lmao

Compared to the previous burning building mechanic, I think noona and I pretty easily settled on the form of this idea, stamping out technicalities along the way. I thought the DC mechanic was pretty interesting, though perhaps not all effects were equally balanced (nor did all effects provide the DC with the same amount of powers). There is probably some more interesting concepts in this post-death corner to explore (coming to a panda game close to you). Coming up with all the effects was a little tricky but overall they produced a couple of interesting gamer moments. Hmm, I didn't expect a mafia to die to the N1 effect, I didn't think Jesus and day skip would be picked so quickly and I didn't expect horoscoping to be such hard work 😤 The tellers have it tough.

We wanted the game to have a mystical kind of atmosphere? The colours, avi's and text hopefully all contributed to that. Though usually I'm not necessarily fond of RNG, given the theme it seemed acceptable. We had to RNG onto a vote so that a majority of townies couldn't disregard a minority mafo. There was a rubberband kind of mechanic to a three-headed council, as the team that was getting bodied could attempt to control the course of the constellations. Introducing lovers into the game at a later point proved an interesting stimulant, in that even trusted players could get burnt. Inactive or unwilling players could refrain from engaging with the mechanic heavily. Living players didn't necessarily have to learn all the effects while they were playing; they could focus on the game and look up a list of more invested players after kicking the bucket.

I liked random-kuns debut. He helped a lot with Rin-chan-campaigning and has a penchant for omo'ing. It's a smart bot, for sure. It did its best. Not a lot to say about it, other than that I'm disappointed in the players who had random-kun RNG onto someone to vote for LOL, very painful. Its final deciding coin toss turned out to be pretty relevant. Apparently, random-kun has a penchant for multiples of 2 but will roll onto uneven numbers if you praise or intimidate it. Perhaps it keeps track of how everyone is treating it :heh. I think in these few cute paragraphs I've surmised most of my immediately relevant thoughts. Hopefully, less panda game shenanigans next time 😤





🌠 Once again, congratulations to the winners, and thank you for playing! 🌠
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I'm probably in the bottom 5. It wouldn't be wise for me to reveal but I have a role that mafia like to hide behind. Should be easy enough to guess if I'm chosen and die as ???
 

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So no Noble vote today? Even if Hardy is mafia they could‘ve tried messing with us and putting it on him.
 

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No, I already gave plenty.
Counter question, what were your hints so far and what more have you given us today about your role? Because I am pretty sure you said something active and... that't it? Which leaves us at how many potential role guesses? You could really do more than that on day 2, Sam.
I don't think you have.

You obviously haven't read through my posts haha. I've said it's an active role and that I've never had it before, plus there's more on top of that which I've subtly disclosed.
 

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Code can work but again it feels so unlikely to hit the Investigator of all people + him even needing to take that role as his fake-cover when there are plenty options. Last game he had no difficulty making up plausible metal vessels and base role and EM so why have issues now?

Not trying to convince you, I could be wrong and him being scum. Just telling you my reluctance.
It's not just that.

If I got the code early, I would had claimed asap to get rep because fuck towns' best interest.

It's impossible for me to get the code late in the day because of my early clue today.
 

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I'm probably in the bottom 5. It wouldn't be wise for me to reveal but I have a role that mafia like to hide behind. Should be easy enough to guess if I'm chosen and die as ???
Anything more you can give regarding that?

So no Noble vote today? Even if Hardy is mafia they could‘ve tried messing with us and putting it on him.
Noble might be waiting to see if they need to swing things a certain way to protect a teammate? Not sure 🤔
 

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Was already not liking juviii then she went ahead and said that she voted me yesterday because I mocked her (even though she admitted she didn't get it was a joke in the first place). Again, much like evil, her arguments on me are just too forced and somehow make me "clear scum" for no reason.

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What about that answer?
Already explained this millions of times. You acted like it was such an obvious thing, all mocky and sarcastic attitude. All your answers were like that. But you are clearly shifting the focus here, those are what made me trust Shad more than you along with the fact that he sounded genuine but the reasons to vote you today are far bigger than that. I've been mafia with Desin once and he pulled this same save and then tried to save Gryffindor-Asako when he was his buddy too. This is such a typical Desin move, you can bs all you want but it doesn't change the fact that he tried to save you even risking his life.
 

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I see we're still on Harry's case.
James getting some spotlight too now.

I regret not being able to get more involved today. I'll try to to change that as much as possible the next DP.

I'm gonna suck and join the train with votekill Hardy. I'm not 100% convinced you're sum but if you don't die today, tomorrow will be the same bs with people still on your case.
Why am I even trying
 

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Already explained this millions of times. You acted like it was such an obvious thing, all mocky and sarcastic attitude. All your answers were like that. But you are clearly shifting the focus here, those are what made me trust Shad more than you along with the fact that he sounded genuine but the reasons to vote you today are far bigger than that. I've been mafia with Desin once and he pulled this same save and then tried to save Gryffindor-Asako when he was his buddy too. This is such a typical Desin move, you can bs all you want but it doesn't change the fact that he tried to save you even risking his life.
Yes and you explained it a million times wrong. At the time you didn't know the answer wasn't serious, so it couldn't be a vote for being dodgy. At the time you didn't know the answer wasn't serious, so it couldn't be a vote for mocking you. And yet you are here saying you voted for me because of those.
 

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Damn friend, you really not making it easy to not give you some pressure votes. Just how long do you think your good look will get you away without hints or claims? :)
Don't let these good looks fool you, pressure me :hurr

@Brandish μ i can't remember if u already gave your two cents about it, but as you haven't voted yet i wanna ask. what do you think of the hardy situation? is he sus to you?
It doesn't look good for him based on the events yesterday/desin being mafia. I don't know Hardy enough to tell when he looks guilty. His claim doesn't stand out for me as sus, we do disagree about whether Investigator is overused but I can accept his perspective on it. So I couldn't vouch for him. I don't think I'll vote for him either.

What were your thoughts on Hardy? Sorry if I missed it.

Votekill Brandish

Putting a placeholder on you for the moment due to you still not making a single hint, and I do feel you're a bit sus alongside that. I do still suspect the others I've mentioned previously too.
Currently doing another backread to better gather my thoughts but I'm a bit suspicious of those who have been quieter for starters. Aside from that general notion, Maryxxi, Noona, DD, Juviii are probably my most suspect at this point in time. Will continue backreading and then re-evaluate this, expand on it etc.
So what you have on those four is pretty weak, given they've been leapfrogged by my non-hint (which you remarked as typical of me, but I get it, you're a townie goodie goodie) and also that you couldn't expand on it etc after your backread(s). And I imagine Demonspeed is on your list too, since he's not adding to his hint today.

Yesterday I thought you were sus, so I hope your vote isn't a reaction to that and you do have a strong feeling against those who don't hint.

You're still a vote candidate for me.

Checking a previous game where desin was mafia, he didn‘t directly quote/talk with any of his teammates on Day 1. Could be a coincidence but something to consider this/next phases.
I don't think desin hits the post numbers to make any meaningful deduction there, particularly from one game. But there's probably some merit to that point in general, mafia not interacting much D1 before their first night together.
 

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The way everything has gone, I'd say Evil, easily.



While I still didn't go back to his day one (where he basically locked on me iirc because he didn't like my clues, instead of just asking me what the fuck he wanted), day two the first thing he does is connect me to desin. He then leaves the topic seeing if anyone picks it up, and then goes guns blazing the moment I show up.



I'm confident this is 100% premeditated, even more if they expected desin to die via shad as they should.



In the meantime he claims bodyguard to gain rep. Early claim, but then why didn't he do it D1 if he's so open about it? Could be EH's role or just waited a night to organise claims. See how open he is to the possibility of me being a bodyguard.



In order to build a case he then proceeds to say no mafia would anon vote themselves (latter specifying D1 to put them at a massive amount of 2 votes)... When he contemplated voting himself last game, so he knows these mind games are nothing new. Sure, it's not exactly the same, I admitted that several times (even though he kept trying to force that idea to make my connection lose value, using strawmen in the process) but the possibility of shad self voting at the time was real, not nonsense.


He then went on discussing in bad faith (just like he did several times last game on @GrySun , I'm shocked if this doesn't ring any bells).
Like, this kind of argumenting, completely putting things out of context.

Why would shad put a target on himself like that? Who the fuck ever does that, especially this guy with like 3 games? "Oh there might be another protector I'll just come out" when has this happened?

I left literally a single hint today and explained the one from yesterday that, if you cared, you could had asked me to expand on yesterday. But just like juviii you are more interested in lynching me than reasoning with me so you didn't.

I love how you move goalposts. Now you delete my clue from today (which was in... My first post of the day? Completely unnecessarily? And corners my claim if I'm scum?) and say "well if he's an investigative role he played bad, good riddance anyway" LMFAO

Again, "Overused IMO". Do I need to copy paste my explanation?
votelock evil
 

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I do have few posts, but I just can't participate all day long. Also I am more of an observer than a discusser, especially because I just do not know everyone that well so I can't identify patterns of behavior relating to previous games.

So. If Hardy dies and is town, Evil and Juvii are most sus?

I agree that piling on Hardy is not the best idea and to be fair I have my doubts after reading all the discussion. Of course it doesn't help that Hardy is eloquent 😅
I also wonder how I could best use my power if I make it through the night. A grand scheme involving Hardy and Evil is precarious and not sure I am interested in that if I could also try to haul in new information regarding people not in the spotlight.
if you target hardy when he performs a night action you'll help me too, hence why I'm pro that.
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I fully agree on this digital assessement.

Digital, you said you make an effort to change your playstyle, which I respect. However, you are still suspicious with your play, as you just walk around add some one-liner observations, not contributing much which just does not seem townie at all.

I would have expected at the very least that you'd get new information out, or share more stuff about your own role
, which neither that much I saw happening. Just edging in the shadows barely making it out of bottom 5, looks like deliberate attempt.

Edit: typo
EEXXACCTLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
 

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Like fucking he you are getting the investigator killed just because desin voted the other person yesterday and said he could move it. Every other argument is just bullshit.
 

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Excuse me? I'm stocking fires because I'm trying to get people to talk more, people that suddenly disappeared in D2 when shit got serious? Really?

Guess it's better to talk about your family and disappear into thin air maybe.
I'm really curious about such manly role James.
Yes, you are. When someone utters a suspicion you support it. That's stoking flames to me.
My family is my reason why I couldn't play 24h. Usually people know I am more active when there is a Mafia game, so whenever due external issues my post amount slows down, I get lynched. Like it happened last game when I was scum and wasn't there to defend myself.
How about you give us more hints about your role? What have you said about your role besides the usual soundbites we hear from 90% of the players each game?

I don't think you have.

You obviously haven't read through my posts haha. I've said it's an active role and that I've never had it before, plus there's more on top of that which I've subtly disclosed.
You gave subtle hints today? Gotta reread your day 2 posts then.

Anything more you can give regarding that?



Noble might be waiting to see if they need to swing things a certain way to protect a teammate? Not sure 🤔
Just means you ain't Noble else you would have used it before the last hour started like it happened last day when it was used like 2-3 mins before the last hour began.
 

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I don‘t think there‘s any saving Hardy if he’s town, and I can‘t vote him because I‘m not fully convinced in the case. But I don‘t have much else to go on to know who to vote. Still not really feeling it..
 

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And I don't think that Shad chose Pisces because he trusts Gry. He said to be wary of both Hardy and Gry if he were to die, he most likely just wants to resurrect.

Not sure how to feel about Asako and Juvii's apparent complicity... Were they always like this in game?

Hardy claiming Investigator when he is top voted and knows that Janitor is a very dangerous role seems like the late Det claims from Mafia to make people doubt.

I agree with Bran, two BGs is lame. I don't think anyone likes this role even but maybe the Hosts want a faster paced game. Still, I wouldn't bet on it. James is far more suspicious.
agree with these points too
 

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Day roles cannot be used in the last hour.
Wasn't aware of that update :O Interesting

So what you have on those four is pretty weak, given they've been leapfrogged by my non-hint (which you remarked as typical of me, but I get it, you're a townie goodie goodie) and also that you couldn't expand on it etc after your backread(s). And I imagine Demonspeed is on your list too, since he's not adding to his hint today.

Yesterday I thought you were sus, so I hope your vote isn't a reaction to that and you do have a strong feeling against those who don't hint.

You're still a vote candidate for me.
Well I'm glad the placeholder got you talking, but was more just testing to waters to see if you'd hint or not. You are on the lower end of my suspect list, but everyone who has been a bit unco-operative or a heavier lurker is on my sus list and that does go for semendemon too.

Lmao nah, it'd take more than that from you to rattle me and make me genuinely see through a vote. I like to think I know you decently well :)
 

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He then went on discussing in bad faith (just like he did several times last game on @GrySun , I'm shocked if this doesn't ring any bells).


votelock evil
But I also trusted him that game for a lot of time so I‘m not good at reading him. Nor do I remember if that‘s just how he argues, when town too.
 

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I don‘t think there‘s any saving Hardy if he’s town, and I can‘t vote him because I‘m not fully convinced in the case. But I don‘t have much else to go on to know who to vote. Still not really feeling it..
Who would be your top 3 for a vote right now?

You gave subtle hints today? Gotta reread your day 2 posts then.
Across both days
 
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