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Madame fallaFar's Daily Horoscope corner!
๐Ÿ”ฎ With the very last bits of their energy they can muster, the Teller takes to the stars one final time ๐Ÿ”ฎ

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โ™ˆ Aries โ™ˆ
"Sure, your sign might be considered a little unfiltered, bold and daring even; prone to being bored, one could say. But this also allows you to reach new heights other signs rarely ascend to. This week the Virgo moon will be in descent and Jupiter will be in retrograde, meaning it's high time for you to set out on a new venture. Yet, with the waning sun and rising tides also comes the warning not to overreach. Fate is a zero-sum game, and not one you can always win."

โ™‰Taurus โ™‰
"Despite your penchant for resting, over long enough periods of time, this might cause rusting. Your all-or-nothing demeanour makes it hard for you to change or to pivot at the exact moment you need. This week you will be once again presented with an opportunity and the stars have aligned for you to reach out. Though it might go against your nature, it might be your destiny."

โ™ŠGemini โ™Š
"You're charismatic and good with words, both written and in conversation. But your charm has a washing-machine type of effect; others believe you, no matter what you say, and consequently, you start believing it too. In the short term, that works wonders for you. In the long-term, you might find yourself cornered by a lack of good advice, and people around you to balance out your persona. This week, the stars will provide you with an opportunity in disguise to make a change in this. That person who argues against you might actually be looking out for you. For a change, it might be best to let someone else do the talking, and despite all odds, that might enrich your life greatly"

โ™‹ Cancer โ™‹
"You're a sensitive person who seeks both provide and give comfort. You forgive but don't forget, you set boundaries that are vigilantly guarded and maintained but are willing to take on the problems of others outside of that. You might find that this week requires you to shift the window a little, when a new but unknown problem shows up on the horizon. Though people tend to lose perspective when they face the unknown, the stars can do one better than disorient you, and instead, help you make acquaintance with a whole new worldview. Be open-minded this week, and see where it takes you."

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โ™Œ Leo โ™Œ
"Despite being a little vain, you exude warmth and creativity. Your larger-than-life persona makes you stand out and you like this accompanying a certain degree of luxury. And much like the King of Beasts, you hold back little energy when dealing with problems, both big and small. This week you will be asked to practice restraint and proportionality. Even the Lion needs rest."

โ™ Virgo โ™
"The Virgo sign is a compassionate one. You feel the need to be useful to others, no matter what. It helps that usually you are in fact the kind of person who can produce useful solutions. You have a million ideas per second that are produced by a rich tapestry of experience. Your quick thinking makes it so you can find quick fixes to whatever situation. This however does not mean there always is a solution, and you need to make peace with that. This week, try figuring out yourself, too."

โ™Ž Libra โ™Ž
"You hate being alone, but you also hate conflict. You see every side which makes it so you have trouble making decisions. But this week is not the time to get lost in fantasy and lose yourself to eventualities that might never occur. It is time to stand your ground and figure out how to break your current dead-lock. This week, you will have to decide. When you decide, go deeper than trying to understand both sides and instead try to figure out why you feel the need to mediate."

โ™ Scorpio โ™
"No sign takes betrayal worse than you do. And this week, you will be indeed faced with betrayal. Not necessarily someone you're close to, but someone you look up to - deem better than yourself - will disappoint you. While revenge is a dish best served callously, this week, it will be important for you to choose your battles, and bide your time. You don't know how much poison you will be needing going forward, and who to use it on, if you take out everything in sight."

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โ™ Sagittarius โ™
"You have no indoor voice and form opinions almost exclusively based on how you feel in the moment. Simultaneously, you are driven by self-improvement to the point of it being a fault. Truth is a weapon you use to dish out blunt trauma to all around you, even those who didn't deserve it, much less those who can defend themselves from it. This week you will be faced with a conundrum that requires a bit more emotional intelligence than you usually care to apply. Not for lack of possession of it, however. So tap into this richer side of yourself, and learn to furnish your weapon with this pageantry."

โ™‘ Capricorn โ™‘
"You're responsible and motivated by duty. Oriented around success, you might be a little hard to approach. Others think it, but you know it. While it may be comfortable keeping up these defences, the stars have a chance meeting for you planned this week that requires you to let down the draw bridge. It's good being an adult, but it's better not to lose sight of your childlike enthusiasms. Staying in touch with your past is not a bad thing if you understand your place in it."

โ™’ Aquarius โ™’
"You are in possession of the best sign. But that doesn't mean you are being your best self. You believe in freedom, having it and living it, but faultily, you also believe the opposite of freedom is restraint. This is not true; a little self-discipline would help you improve in all aspects of your life, and allow you to exploit said freedom better. Being free means the ability to choose and you would do well seeking more input from others before you choose how you want to be free."

โ™“ Pisces โ™“
"They say there's plenty of fish in the sea. And that's true. It's unfortunate then you're a sea-urchin. You also get into a fight with a duck you somehow manage to lose. Best to stay inside"
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๐Ÿ”ฎ Night Actions ๐Ÿ”ฎ




Aha here are the spicy night actions. Past Nacho's death, the DC didn't have much to vote on... So it was dissolved. Also, empty spaces may indicate that player didn't PM for whatever reason

I was going to do an elaborate player-by-player review like last time, but this time noona did it, and hers were pretty good so I'll stick to those :lmao

Compared to the previous burning building mechanic, I think noona and I pretty easily settled on the form of this idea, stamping out technicalities along the way. I thought the DC mechanic was pretty interesting, though perhaps not all effects were equally balanced (nor did all effects provide the DC with the same amount of powers). There is probably some more interesting concepts in this post-death corner to explore (coming to a panda game close to you). Coming up with all the effects was a little tricky but overall they produced a couple of interesting gamer moments. Hmm, I didn't expect a mafia to die to the N1 effect, I didn't think Jesus and day skip would be picked so quickly and I didn't expect horoscoping to be such hard work ๐Ÿ˜ค The tellers have it tough.

We wanted the game to have a mystical kind of atmosphere? The colours, avi's and text hopefully all contributed to that. Though usually I'm not necessarily fond of RNG, given the theme it seemed acceptable. We had to RNG onto a vote so that a majority of townies couldn't disregard a minority mafo. There was a rubberband kind of mechanic to a three-headed council, as the team that was getting bodied could attempt to control the course of the constellations. Introducing lovers into the game at a later point proved an interesting stimulant, in that even trusted players could get burnt. Inactive or unwilling players could refrain from engaging with the mechanic heavily. Living players didn't necessarily have to learn all the effects while they were playing; they could focus on the game and look up a list of more invested players after kicking the bucket.

I liked random-kuns debut. He helped a lot with Rin-chan-campaigning and has a penchant for omo'ing. It's a smart bot, for sure. It did its best. Not a lot to say about it, other than that I'm disappointed in the players who had random-kun RNG onto someone to vote for LOL, very painful. Its final deciding coin toss turned out to be pretty relevant. Apparently, random-kun has a penchant for multiples of 2 but will roll onto uneven numbers if you praise or intimidate it. Perhaps it keeps track of how everyone is treating it :heh. I think in these few cute paragraphs I've surmised most of my immediately relevant thoughts. Hopefully, less panda game shenanigans next time ๐Ÿ˜ค





๐ŸŒ  Once again, congratulations to the winners, and thank you for playing! ๐ŸŒ 
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anyway, i think for now we should focus on the 4 candidates above.

Do we keep Avietar alive today on the off chance pandogame inserted 2 sane spies? Because my sanity is clear.
Do we lynch Brandish for refusing to reveal? (Even tho Brandish might actually have a very imp role like doc or det?)
Do we lynch Asako who said her role is "meh" thus not so important as the ones above?
Do we lynch Erin who... not sure if she refused to share her role? idk here xD who something something (fill free to fill in my brain gaps here)
I'd keep avietar for now, Spy claim can't be faked too easily and mafia will have to block/kill one or both of you anyway, so she should be off the table.

As for other 3 the least cooperative goes. So far they all fighting for the title.
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I don't know about DD, looks like he just messed up his claim and is easy mafia but if not we're gonna waste even more lynches. 2 Psychiatrists should be unnecessary regardless how many secondaries they put. Maybe we'll also have Dets next day to help out.
 

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And you didn't ask them during the night phase???
I had plenty reasons to believe I would get back only on the next day plus as I said mobile plus 4g were triggerin me, went directly to bed and stayed away on my free time. good news tho if no action was prevented last night we not dealin with an escort I almost didn't made it to the dp but yes my fault for not asking, no excuses here. Sorry.
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You're the town leader now, enjoy it :teehee
No freakin way y'all better come out and help me :(
 

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Hey maybe mafia also didn't know Heaven was killable N2 :lmao
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No freakin way y'all better come out and help me :(
Dw younger brother we got this.

At least next phase maybe because desin may have screwed us over with the sign for this phase.
 

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Then yes I didn't. I thought I had to wait to input my block action again. What a shame I'm so dumb.
Wtf is this I could've died the moment I got back but mafia allowed me to live so you guys could grow suspiscious of my claim.

evil is an experienced player, I'm pretty sure that he'd have been able to be confirmed the next day should he have survived the night. Moth me and avietar spied on him. I got the true result of his action which makes it clear to me that I'm sane now that he's dead and revealed. So if he wouldn't have died we'd have asked him to reveal his target and I'd be able to confirm it or deny it. even if my sanity would not be clear at the time, it would still give him the benefit of the doubt. Plus with the 4 above listed he'd be in no danger today to dye or tonight. so we could further find ways to confirm him. And the fact that he's experienced I think he'd find ways to convince us, there are others that are more sus then he'd be, for example DD fucking up today is priceless, don't tell me you don't agree that mafias would be scared of Evil staying alive, you should know better, you're also a vet player.
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if Evil received the bomb last night from the sign, would the bomb explode if Evil died protecting avietar? or would it explode only if Evil was directly targeted?
Sure Evil is experienced and he is good at rallying towns to his cause as seen on day 2 and any sane Mafia would be scared of him, but the real troublemakers for Mafia are dets and spies and docs and ofc prostitutes. So why would they ignore all that and go after Evil who's only a BG which is a walking death sentence anyway? And again, neither Evil nor the Mafia could have known what sign will be up tonight, the dead cannot talk with the living.
Like they knew, they KNEW, that EH was prostitute and they still chose not kill EH a 2nd time with their Janitor AFTER Hardy our Investigator got lynched and INSTEAD killed Evil directly? Just how scared are they of Evil for that to be true?

anyway, i think for now we should focus on the 4 candidates above.

Do we keep Avietar alive today on the off chance pandogame inserted 2 sane spies? Because my sanity is clear.
Do we lynch Brandish for refusing to reveal? (Even tho Brandish might actually have a very imp role like doc or det?)
Do we lynch Asako who said her role is "meh" thus not so important as the ones above?
Do we lynch Erin who... not sure if she refused to share her role? idk here xD who something something (fill free to fill in my brain gaps here)
Erin is naive traitor actually the first one of the two to claim naive traitor.

I also don't get that part, unless there's 2 mafia teams that were acting in tandem.
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Janitor could've recruited someone last night while blocking avietar, leaving the Evil kill to someone else.
True, but that would mean we do have 2 killing parties each night and does it really seem we got the tools to withstand 2 kills every night? Sure they failed, for all we know, twice in a row to kill twice but then night 3 gonna be a real shit show.
 

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@Erinyes @MarmaladeSky Could you find any posts of yours when you played thinking you were real Traitor, that in hindsight being read now would sound like the truth?
For example protecting one from your list, or trying to raise awareness via vote or other comments.
 

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Hey maybe mafia also didn't know Heaven was killable N2 :lmao
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Dw younger brother we got this.

At least next phase maybe because desin may have screwed us over with the sign for this phase.
I was thinkin this too. That mafia didn't knew they could kill me either. Or as I also said above, they could've just ignored me but that's some mind reading thing. They had to knew I wouldn't act to use it as frame material.
 

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I'm feeling like kinemon at Wano.
 

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Two questions for everyone:

1. Who are your most suspicious players right now?
2. How should we settle this issue of who we lynch?

1A: Personally, I'm growing increasingly suspicious of those lurking and holding back. Gajeel, Tatsu, Juviii, and Demon are the four not on the list that I believe are coasting and we should try to get a bit more out of.
2A: Would be easiest if we knew roles to decide who hurts us the least to lose, but the three (Asako, Brandish, and Erinyes) are all uncooperative in that regard. If they're town, they should start to be more forthcoming so they can benefit us as best they can in this shitty scenario.
 

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Yes. One of them will die anyway so it's their job to make the talk + the investigative roles.
 

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Maybe 2 3er Mafia with the option to get a 4th one? But that's like 8 anti-towns vs 13 towns, that's insane even by Pand status. And 2 2er Mafias with the option to get a 3th with Janitor/Escort being on different teams, sounds dangerously weak as heck, especially considering how the red Mafia Det was chosen to die by the first sign. Like one team could get wiped out within two days especially if the mafia were to kill one another during the night, also not really sensible. So maybe we do have a TP after all? Mentor for example? Janitor killed someone night 1, Mentor recruited, Mentor/Mentee killed night 2, Janitor kill failed/recruited a traitor. That seems most plausible and it would fit the 5 Mafia list both Erin and Marma got, whenever it is fake or true.

I was thinkin this too. That mafia didn't knew they could kill me either. Or as I also said above, they could've just ignored me but that's some mind reading thing. They had to knew I wouldn't act to use it as frame material.
Maybe, though they could just ask. Getting rid of a prostitute early on is a great boon for Mafia and being able to hide it is an even bigger deal because then the Escort can just fake being the "sole hoe of town" and we had no real way to confirming that until we investigate the dead role, which we can't anymore, or when we kill the Janitor, which is still up in the air who that could be.

Also how should they know you wouldn't act tonight? Host ain't allowed to tell players anything about the actions of other players as in who did they target or did they use their role at all, etc. So only way of knowing would be to block you and Avi says he got blocked last night since he received no pm. Why try to frame a Prostitute when they got other juicier targets to put up as potential mafias?
 

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Two questions for everyone:

1. Who are your most suspicious players right now?
2. How should we settle this issue of who we lynch?
1. Brandish. Refusing to talk anything about his role at a moment like this isn't something normal to me. But then again we been lynching towns as if we were cuttin grass in the morning without a care. Then there's also Gajeel. In my first game with him he was a d1 lynch townie and spoke a lot and now he's sittin at 29 posts.
2. They are on the pity already. We wait for them to talk among them, watch and interact as we see fit and hope our investigative roles if any do their work. They are all about to die and are ignoring the situation as if it isn't something of matter/importance.
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Maybe 2 3er Mafia with the option to get a 4th one? But that's like 8 anti-towns vs 13 towns, that's insane even by Pand status. And 2 2er Mafias with the option to get a 3th with Janitor/Escort being on different teams, sounds dangerously weak as heck, especially considering how the red Mafia Det was chosen to die by the first sign. Like one team could get wiped out within two days especially if the mafia were to kill one another during the night, also not really sensible. So maybe we do have a TP after all? Mentor for example? Janitor killed someone night 1, Mentor recruited, Mentor/Mentee killed night 2, Janitor kill failed/recruited a traitor. That seems most plausible and it would fit the 5 Mafia list both Erin and Marma got, whenever it is fake or true.



Maybe, though they could just ask. Getting rid of a prostitute early on is a great boon for Mafia and being able to hide it is an even bigger deal because then the Escort can just fake being the "sole hoe of town" and we had no real way to confirming that until we investigate the dead role, which we can't anymore, or when we kill the Janitor, which is still up in the air who that could be.

Also how should they know you wouldn't act tonight? Host ain't allowed to tell players anything about the actions of other players as in who did they target or did they use their role at all, etc. So only way of knowing would be to block you and Avi says he got blocked last night since he received no pm. Why try to frame a Prostitute when they got other juicier targets to put up as potential mafias?
Bad thing we can't target anyone but the four listed for lynch today. We can't snipe the janitor assuming this is desin's list and is fully composed of townies or even tp.

On the bold part, that's why I said it would have to be some kind of psychic/mind reader thing so it's out of question that they did it intentional. I want to belive they were as dumb as me, thought they couldn't come for me. Don't think Evil would protect me as I was still ???? at the moment.
 

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Then @avietar has things to explain. Did you get PMed by hosts every night or only on N1?
I haven't read everything yet, but just now I received a pm from admin that my spy action yielded no results.
 

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Two questions for everyone:

1. Who are your most suspicious players right now?
2. How should we settle this issue of who we lynch?

1A: Personally, I'm growing increasingly suspicious of those lurking and holding back. Gajeel, Tatsu, Juviii, and Demon are the four not on the list that I believe are coasting and we should try to get a bit more out of.
2A: Would be easiest if we knew roles to decide who hurts us the least to lose, but the three (Asako, Brandish, and Erinyes) are all uncooperative in that regard. If they're town, they should start to be more forthcoming so they can benefit us as best they can in this shitty scenario.
1A: Gaj, for lurking, posting once, telling people to reveal while doing nothing on his own and then diving under; Tatsu for getting out of bottom 5 hell in day 1 after saying that probably won't happen and then it did, like that was a move I expected Mafias with important roles to do, then again Desin didn't and he paid the price for that and now we all pay for his luck in astrology, like I said yesterday Juviii for me is a firestoker though today she is quite quiet. As for 4th place I would either pick Asako or Brand, Asako because "meh" roles are usually good ones to hide behind, ain't nobody got time to check if someone really is a regular Townie or not, Brand because this whole "i tell nothing" feels like he is waiting for all of us to claim till he can pick from what is left and expect us to roll with it. Also the naive traitors, if we got 2 chances are high one of them or even both are lying.

2A: Uff, normally Erin is like the right choice, naive traitor, we can check if she got recruited or not, etc. But like Brand and Asako ain't really forthcoming, so I dunno. Worst case scenario, Erin got recruited and plays the willing sacrifice while Brand and Asako are on Erin's team. Unlikely because that would mean 3 Mafias and one confirmed townie got chosen for this list, but worst case scenario anyway. Since Erin is so forthcoming, being first to claim naive traitor and rdy to die, perhaps we should chose to spare her and have dets deal with that and put our focus on Brand or Asako. And in that case I'd probably pick Brand as Asako would have to claim a meh role and with two spies plus dets we can tell whenever or not she had told the truth while about Brand, we know nothing.
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I haven't read everything yet, but just now I received a pm from admin that my spy action yielded no results.
So you got a pm for both night 1 and 2 with no results? But the pm for night 2 arrived later, right? Hm, not sure if this does tell us that you got blocked only in night 2 or both nights or if this was just a randomized result for you as insane spy.

Anyway, I am getting off this thread as well. The ones not saying much should say something as well to this whole stuff that got revealed today, plenty of people have yet to say anything, at all.
 

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I'd keep avietar for now, Spy claim can't be faked too easily and mafia will have to block/kill one or both of you anyway, so she should be off the table.

As for other 3 the least cooperative goes. So far they all fighting for the title.
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I don't know about DD, looks like he just messed up his claim and is easy mafia but if not we're gonna waste even more lynches. 2 Psychiatrists should be unnecessary regardless how many secondaries they put. Maybe we'll also have Dets next day to help out.
no one said avietar is lying. just might be insane or very small chance of 2 sane spies.

idk what to think about you saying that part about DD. Makes me think you're trying to save him and I don't buy for one second that he's town.
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Sure Evil is experienced and he is good at rallying towns to his cause as seen on day 2 and any sane Mafia would be scared of him, but the real troublemakers for Mafia are dets and spies and docs and ofc prostitutes. So why would they ignore all that and go after Evil who's only a BG which is a walking death sentence anyway? And again, neither Evil nor the Mafia could have known what sign will be up tonight, the dead cannot talk with the living.
Like they knew, they KNEW, that EH was prostitute and they still chose not kill EH a 2nd time with their Janitor AFTER Hardy our Investigator got lynched and INSTEAD killed Evil directly? Just how scared are they of Evil for that to be true?



Erin is naive traitor actually the first one of the two to claim naive traitor.



True, but that would mean we do have 2 killing parties each night and does it really seem we got the tools to withstand 2 kills every night? Sure they failed, for all we know, twice in a row to kill twice but then night 3 gonna be a real shit show.
1. idk man I'm just making assumptions based on my results last night. Feel free to suggest others.
2. a ok erin first traitor, but both refuse to specify main role right?
3. or they recruited and our naive traitors are actually mafia members :))))))
 

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It's just very strange that the first night I got my result at the end of the night, and the second night I got my result halfway during day 3 today. It's like I was forgotten.

And yes, both days my spy powers 'yielded no results.' First on Hardy, then on Evil.
 

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Just finished backreading and we're still in a pinch.
We have to chose between these four when they're seems to be more urgent matters among the doubles (2 spies, 2 psychiatrists, 2 "naive" traitors).
The latter two are what bother me the most because I already find psychiatrist to be boring role but TWO in the game ? Even with some lovers, a bom and a hot potato, I feel like on is more than enough. I also have flashback of a mafia hiding behind that role last game but anyway.
2 naive traitors I don't know if that's possible as I'm still not very knowledgable in role balancing, but imo it would be 1 naive and 1 "real" so I don't know.

1. Who are your most suspicious players right now?
2. How should we settle this issue of who we lynch?
1A: I would say DD since he felt off since the beginning even if it is a change of playstyle, he usually had some good hindsight among his caps. Now he feels bland, repeating or forgetting or misinterpreting what was said previously. I don't like his claim that was also conveniently done after Erin claim, Marmalade countered it but he suddenly made some verifications and oh my yes I was wrong because PMs or something. Consequently GrySun is kinda sus too even if he felt more town, he's a too great player for me to be able to read him properly. 2nd claiming a role when you're mafia is also bold but not unheard of.
MAybe also Asako because I feel like shes playing a little safe I don't know how to explain. I just have a weird feeling. Also a "meh" role is vague but apparently it's not meh enough that she can die today. hmm of course.
Brandish too because I don't understand what is so incredible about his role that the spies and protitutes could claim but he can't. Does that mean that if he has some useful info he will withhold it until HE decides it's time to come out. Apparently it's his playstyle but for now he's the one I mind losing the least along with Asako.

2A: Erinyes has voluntarily shared info and has accepted to be sacrificed if need be but I think they should all talk more. I don't see the use of keeping secrets when you're on death row but well. For now I would more probably go for Asako or Brandish unless I'm proven they're worth keeping over Erin.

I guess Erin could also be a real traitor hiding as naive but then I don't see why she would just accept death so easily. If it turns out she is, it means she was sacrificing for one of her teammates that is among the remaining two. (So back to Brandish and Asako again).


Hopefully, I'm completely wrong and they're all townies because desin made the list.
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And yes, both days my spy powers 'yielded no results.' First on Hardy, then on Evil.
Wait I'm not fully up to date with you guys story. So you received a "no result" PM both nights ?
While SN didn't send a PM N1 and got a result for Evil N2 ?
Is that it ?

Edit: typos
 
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