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๐Ÿ”ฎ With the very last bits of their energy they can muster, the Teller takes to the stars one final time ๐Ÿ”ฎ

๐ŸŒ 

โ™ˆ Aries โ™ˆ
"Sure, your sign might be considered a little unfiltered, bold and daring even; prone to being bored, one could say. But this also allows you to reach new heights other signs rarely ascend to. This week the Virgo moon will be in descent and Jupiter will be in retrograde, meaning it's high time for you to set out on a new venture. Yet, with the waning sun and rising tides also comes the warning not to overreach. Fate is a zero-sum game, and not one you can always win."

โ™‰Taurus โ™‰
"Despite your penchant for resting, over long enough periods of time, this might cause rusting. Your all-or-nothing demeanour makes it hard for you to change or to pivot at the exact moment you need. This week you will be once again presented with an opportunity and the stars have aligned for you to reach out. Though it might go against your nature, it might be your destiny."

โ™ŠGemini โ™Š
"You're charismatic and good with words, both written and in conversation. But your charm has a washing-machine type of effect; others believe you, no matter what you say, and consequently, you start believing it too. In the short term, that works wonders for you. In the long-term, you might find yourself cornered by a lack of good advice, and people around you to balance out your persona. This week, the stars will provide you with an opportunity in disguise to make a change in this. That person who argues against you might actually be looking out for you. For a change, it might be best to let someone else do the talking, and despite all odds, that might enrich your life greatly"

โ™‹ Cancer โ™‹
"You're a sensitive person who seeks both provide and give comfort. You forgive but don't forget, you set boundaries that are vigilantly guarded and maintained but are willing to take on the problems of others outside of that. You might find that this week requires you to shift the window a little, when a new but unknown problem shows up on the horizon. Though people tend to lose perspective when they face the unknown, the stars can do one better than disorient you, and instead, help you make acquaintance with a whole new worldview. Be open-minded this week, and see where it takes you."

๐ŸŒ 

โ™Œ Leo โ™Œ
"Despite being a little vain, you exude warmth and creativity. Your larger-than-life persona makes you stand out and you like this accompanying a certain degree of luxury. And much like the King of Beasts, you hold back little energy when dealing with problems, both big and small. This week you will be asked to practice restraint and proportionality. Even the Lion needs rest."

โ™ Virgo โ™
"The Virgo sign is a compassionate one. You feel the need to be useful to others, no matter what. It helps that usually you are in fact the kind of person who can produce useful solutions. You have a million ideas per second that are produced by a rich tapestry of experience. Your quick thinking makes it so you can find quick fixes to whatever situation. This however does not mean there always is a solution, and you need to make peace with that. This week, try figuring out yourself, too."

โ™Ž Libra โ™Ž
"You hate being alone, but you also hate conflict. You see every side which makes it so you have trouble making decisions. But this week is not the time to get lost in fantasy and lose yourself to eventualities that might never occur. It is time to stand your ground and figure out how to break your current dead-lock. This week, you will have to decide. When you decide, go deeper than trying to understand both sides and instead try to figure out why you feel the need to mediate."

โ™ Scorpio โ™
"No sign takes betrayal worse than you do. And this week, you will be indeed faced with betrayal. Not necessarily someone you're close to, but someone you look up to - deem better than yourself - will disappoint you. While revenge is a dish best served callously, this week, it will be important for you to choose your battles, and bide your time. You don't know how much poison you will be needing going forward, and who to use it on, if you take out everything in sight."

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โ™ Sagittarius โ™
"You have no indoor voice and form opinions almost exclusively based on how you feel in the moment. Simultaneously, you are driven by self-improvement to the point of it being a fault. Truth is a weapon you use to dish out blunt trauma to all around you, even those who didn't deserve it, much less those who can defend themselves from it. This week you will be faced with a conundrum that requires a bit more emotional intelligence than you usually care to apply. Not for lack of possession of it, however. So tap into this richer side of yourself, and learn to furnish your weapon with this pageantry."

โ™‘ Capricorn โ™‘
"You're responsible and motivated by duty. Oriented around success, you might be a little hard to approach. Others think it, but you know it. While it may be comfortable keeping up these defences, the stars have a chance meeting for you planned this week that requires you to let down the draw bridge. It's good being an adult, but it's better not to lose sight of your childlike enthusiasms. Staying in touch with your past is not a bad thing if you understand your place in it."

โ™’ Aquarius โ™’
"You are in possession of the best sign. But that doesn't mean you are being your best self. You believe in freedom, having it and living it, but faultily, you also believe the opposite of freedom is restraint. This is not true; a little self-discipline would help you improve in all aspects of your life, and allow you to exploit said freedom better. Being free means the ability to choose and you would do well seeking more input from others before you choose how you want to be free."

โ™“ Pisces โ™“
"They say there's plenty of fish in the sea. And that's true. It's unfortunate then you're a sea-urchin. You also get into a fight with a duck you somehow manage to lose. Best to stay inside"
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๐Ÿ”ฎ Night Actions ๐Ÿ”ฎ




Aha here are the spicy night actions. Past Nacho's death, the DC didn't have much to vote on... So it was dissolved. Also, empty spaces may indicate that player didn't PM for whatever reason

I was going to do an elaborate player-by-player review like last time, but this time noona did it, and hers were pretty good so I'll stick to those :lmao

Compared to the previous burning building mechanic, I think noona and I pretty easily settled on the form of this idea, stamping out technicalities along the way. I thought the DC mechanic was pretty interesting, though perhaps not all effects were equally balanced (nor did all effects provide the DC with the same amount of powers). There is probably some more interesting concepts in this post-death corner to explore (coming to a panda game close to you). Coming up with all the effects was a little tricky but overall they produced a couple of interesting gamer moments. Hmm, I didn't expect a mafia to die to the N1 effect, I didn't think Jesus and day skip would be picked so quickly and I didn't expect horoscoping to be such hard work ๐Ÿ˜ค The tellers have it tough.

We wanted the game to have a mystical kind of atmosphere? The colours, avi's and text hopefully all contributed to that. Though usually I'm not necessarily fond of RNG, given the theme it seemed acceptable. We had to RNG onto a vote so that a majority of townies couldn't disregard a minority mafo. There was a rubberband kind of mechanic to a three-headed council, as the team that was getting bodied could attempt to control the course of the constellations. Introducing lovers into the game at a later point proved an interesting stimulant, in that even trusted players could get burnt. Inactive or unwilling players could refrain from engaging with the mechanic heavily. Living players didn't necessarily have to learn all the effects while they were playing; they could focus on the game and look up a list of more invested players after kicking the bucket.

I liked random-kuns debut. He helped a lot with Rin-chan-campaigning and has a penchant for omo'ing. It's a smart bot, for sure. It did its best. Not a lot to say about it, other than that I'm disappointed in the players who had random-kun RNG onto someone to vote for LOL, very painful. Its final deciding coin toss turned out to be pretty relevant. Apparently, random-kun has a penchant for multiples of 2 but will roll onto uneven numbers if you praise or intimidate it. Perhaps it keeps track of how everyone is treating it :heh. I think in these few cute paragraphs I've surmised most of my immediately relevant thoughts. Hopefully, less panda game shenanigans next time ๐Ÿ˜ค





๐ŸŒ  Once again, congratulations to the winners, and thank you for playing! ๐ŸŒ 
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I prefer to believe considering he with me in the lynch D3, anyways we will know with how many block we can get on the trusted ones, i feel like mafia could benefit more on keeping the pirate hidden so they use it freely with prostitute
But i trust him for now ...
@Asako do you believe that brandish is pirate?
i actually meant to ask if u believe brandish is Townie pirate, but i think u got that.
i also think that brandish is townie cuz they were on the desin list + brandish confirmed me by saying he targeted me and he didn't die
 

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@James Rye i hope you used your avenger role then on me if you thought i was hider as it can die easily by mistake
Not gonna say if I did or didn't target you to keep Mafia guessing whenever or not it is worthwhile to risk killing you. ;)
 

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The mechanics already give us a hot potato and a bomb. Do you really believe Juviii to be bomb?
The Bomb from the mechanics is temporary tho fwiw. So there can easily be a bomb for either mafia or town here.
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So Iโ€™m necromancer, Iโ€™ve been laying low cuz I believe itโ€™s an important role and revealing will easily get me killed by mafia as I can get any active night role from the dead townies + also because I know margiโ€™s role so I wanted to wait as long as possible to see if someone would accidentally fake claim it

But since many people already claimed, there are only few of us (maybe 4?) who did not claim, some of us might be mafia, so mafia would easily know who are the very few townies not claiming and will guess that we have important info and role we hiding. I mean why would someone still hide after a det came out if they donโ€™t have something important. I think that now is the right time to give the info I have before I get killed.

I was planning on revealing by the end of the phase when more people claimed and told their targets so that I can catch their lies, but Iโ€™m just too paranoid i m even afraid that mafia might have assassin that can kill me during the day for being too mysterious xD (also the reason why Iโ€™m writing one long post to give everything I have at once)

Here are my actions, targets and results :

N1 : I necro doc shad then targeted evil

N2 : I necro investigator hardy then targeted dead Margi >result : Margi is Mortician

N3 : phase skipped

N4 : I necro mortician margi then targeted evil >

Results I got from using mortician on evil : Evil was investigated N1, then was investigated by 3 people N2, and was killed N2

My conclusions :

  • Gry is probably psy in fact : he said before he targeted me N1 and Evil N2 got no secondary roles on both of us. Well he didnโ€™t lie about me, I have no secondary role + heโ€™s most likely one of the 3 people who investigated evil on N2.
  • Scary noona and Avi are probably spies as they claimed : they both said they targeted evil N2 so they must be responsible for the 2 other investigating results I got on N2.

To clear something if you are also confused about it as I was, the spyโ€™s action also comes out in the morticianโ€™s result as โ€œinvestigatedโ€ not โ€œspied onโ€. Found this in the interactions list (mortician part), check it yourself if you want to make sure : โ€œIf his target PlayerX was targeted by role Y (on the left), the text would say: Detectives/Spies/Investigator/Mortician/Spirit Medium/M. Detective- X was investigated on that nightโ€ .


So unless someone else with one of these roles โ€œDetectives/Spies/Investigator/Mortician/Spirit Medium/M. Detectiveโ€ says no Iโ€™m the one who investigated evil N2, gry and scary noona and avi did not lie about targeting evil N2.



Now I donโ€™t know what to do with these infos that lovers are here, the whole gry-noona-juvii situation is confusing, lemme reread the last pages and see.
Why use up the Doctor N1 to protect Evil? I don't think he had already claimed Bodyguard by then, what made you think he will die?

Margi being Mortician is interesting if true. That's Mortician, Necro, Det and 2 spies for investigating, decent stack.
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IC on day 6 is pretty damn late though.
Was his wording of that he is town but definitely knows he's not a fake. Innocent Child is practically vanilla town.
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So you believe Marma to have been Apprentice as well? 'Cause Sam said he learned his role from Marma and still died as Apprentice, meaning one of them gotta be insane.
I forgot now which voting passed when council decided if Apprentice should die as town or mafia. Don't have much time rn but this is definitely something to check. Can you look into rules or the interaction thread? Maybe we added it there.
Meaning it could be that Apprentice always dies as Apprentice regardless.
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I am Avenger.
I thought as much when you gave more hints last day, so I didn't pursue you more there. Fits the manly hint and actually gives us some killing role, so it's possible.
 

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Current claims, lies or not:

โœจ I. MarmaladeSky as Shiryu โœจ - ??? + Naive Traitor
โœจ II. Scary Noona as Camusโœจ - Spy + ???
โœจ V. James Rye as Aldebaran โœจ - ???(manly role?)
โœจ VI. Asako as Shaka โœจ - Detective
โœจ IX. Brandish as Sisyphus โœจ - Pirate with Prostitute stolen
โœจ XI. Juviii as Deathmask โœจ - Bomb
โœจ XII. Demonspeed as Saga โœจ - ???
โœจ XIV. Avietar as Manigoldo โœจ - Spy
โœจ XV. Maryxxi as Shura โœจ - ???
โœจ XVIII. Tatsumaki as Aphrodite โœจ - ???
โœจ XIX. Gajeel as Milo โœจ - Townie
โœจ XX. GrySun as Aiolos โœจ - Psychiatrist

Furthermore:
  • There is a pair of lovers since last night.
  • Asako found another mafia.
  • It's confirmed that Brandish can steal roles because Heaven died as Townie.
  • There is a Town or Mafia Sickly for me to find as well.
  • Noona is saying Juviii targetted James, Juviii says no action.
Otherwise we just need the last couple claims. WIth any luck someone can still protect Asako for one more phase, or we lynch Escort today.
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Gonna update the list:

โœจ I. MarmaladeSky as Shiryu โœจ - ??? + Naive Traitor
โœจ II. Scary Noona as Camusโœจ - Spy + ???
โœจ V. James Rye as Aldebaran โœจ - Avenger
โœจ VI. Asako as Shaka โœจ - Detective
โœจ IX. Brandish as Sisyphus โœจ - Pirate with Prostitute stolen
โœจ XI. Juviii as Deathmask โœจ - Bomb
โœจ XII. Demonspeed as Saga โœจ - ???
โœจ XIV. Avietar as Manigoldo โœจ - Spy
โœจ XV. Maryxxi as Shura โœจ -Necromancer
โœจ XVIII. Tatsumaki as Aphrodite โœจ - ???
โœจ XIX. Gajeel as Milo โœจ - Townie
โœจ XX. GrySun as Aiolos โœจ - Psychiatrist

Is this correct?

So we now need @Tatsumaki And @Demonspeed to reveal.
 

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Nvm @James Rye I found it very fast:

-When Apprentice dies, all it shows is "Apprentice" regardless if the player learnt a role or not. The same applies for the Insane Apprentice, unless it learns a non-townie role, in that case it shows the name of its new role.
So we know nothing on Marm except that Sam could learn from her.
 

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Wait gajeel already revealed ? Just townie ?
 

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Is this correct?
Yes, so Demon Marm and Tatsu left.
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Wait gajeel already revealed ? Just townie ?
He said that last day yes.
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But also that he knows for sure that he isn't a Death Miller or so.
 

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I'm willing to leave marma last, she confirmed townie and not mafia by sam
 

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Honestly, i don't really care if marma reveal or not, in my book she clear because of sam
But the other two is a different matter
 

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The Bomb from the mechanics is temporary tho fwiw. So there can easily be a bomb for either mafia or town here.
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Why use up the Doctor N1 to protect Evil? I don't think he had already claimed Bodyguard by then, what made you think he will die?

Margi being Mortician is interesting if true. That's Mortician, Necro, Det and 2 spies for investigating, decent stack.
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Was his wording of that he is town but definitely knows he's not a fake. Innocent Child is practically vanilla town.
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I forgot now which voting passed when council decided if Apprentice should die as town or mafia. Don't have much time rn but this is definitely something to check. Can you look into rules or the interaction thread? Maybe we added it there.
Meaning it could be that Apprentice always dies as Apprentice regardless.
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I thought as much when you gave more hints last day, so I didn't pursue you more there. Fits the manly hint and actually gives us some killing role, so it's possible.
Don't forget about your psy, sure it "only" investigates 2nd roles, but in a game with newly added Lovers, it is pretty damn useful.
Also Doc, Prostitute and Bodyguard for kill block actions.

This is what I found about the two Apprentices:

Sane Apprentice

  • The learned role is new, so used up shot of roles like Paranoid Gun Owner, Vigilante, Prosecutor, Pirate and Bomb Defuser can be used as if it was never used before
  • See Mafia Detective/Janitor for reveals of some learned roles
  • Non-townie - The Sane Apprentice dies at the end of the night phase after learning twice from a non-townie
  • Mason - Joins that Masonโ€˜s group
  • Townie Lover - Can learn the primary role of the Townie Lover
  • Townie Threesome Candidate - Can learn the primary role of the Townie Threesome Candidate
  • Traitor - Can learn the role normally
  • Naive Traitor - Primary role can be learned normally
  • Cannot learn secondary roles
Insane Apprentice

  • The learned role is new, so used up shot of roles like Paranoid Gun Owner, Vigilante, Prosecutor, Pirate and Bomb Defuser can be used as if it was never used before
  • The rolechange is immediate, so if Insane Apprentice learns a non-town role a cointoss decides which result roles like Detective would get
  • See Mafia Detective/Janitor for reveals of some learned roles
  • Mentee - The Insane Apprentice joins the Mentor-Mentee duo as another Mentee
  • Mason - Joins that Masonโ€˜s group
  • Santa - Gets the same 5 gifts the Santa started with, even if the Santa already used some of the gifts
  • Shapeshifter - An Insane Apprentice learning from a Shapeshifter doesn't make the latter's Illusions count toward the Insane Apprentice's own victory - if the original SS dies while the new SS is still alive, all the players the original SS turned into Illusions shatter normally (and vice versa)
  • Townie Lover - Can learn the primary role of the Townie Lover
  • Townie Threesome Candidate - Can learn the primary role of the Townie Threesome Candidate
  • Traitor - Primary role can be learned normally
  • Naive Traitor - Primary role can be learned normally
  • Cannot learn secondary roles
It says, can learn the role normally while for Naive traitor it says Primary role can be learned normally. Is this about being "traitor/naive traitor" or when their target is a traitor/naive traitor? Since Marma claims naive traitor and Sam claimed to have proven Marma, this doesn't seem to contradict each other. As long as Marma had the same role as Sam, which would be pretty funny. Though then the question remains from who Marma learned in those first two nights.

Yeah, I was probably too obvious about my hints. But the role is pretty cool, isn't it?^^
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Nvm @James Rye I found it very fast:



So we know nothing on Marm except that Sam could learn from her.
Ah so that how it works now. Good to see Sane/Insane Apprentice being so fully accepted and thought through by the hosts, glad you guys like it. <3
 

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The Bomb from the mechanics is temporary tho fwiw. So there can easily be a bomb for either mafia or town here.
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Why use up the Doctor N1 to protect Evil? I don't think he had already claimed Bodyguard by then, what made you think he will die?
I used doc on evil cuz i was lost on who trust on D1 and who not to trust. he was one of the few people who gave a lot of hints, so i thought he might be townie. also i only thought he would be targeted cuz he seems to me like an experienced player who must be feared by mafia, they would want to get rid of him early. not because i thought he's bodyguard
 

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I used doc on evil cuz i was lost on who trust on D1 and who not to trust. he was one of the few people who gave a lot of hints, so i thought he might be townie. also i only thought he would be targeted cuz he seems to me like an experienced player who must be feared by mafia, they would want to get rid of him early. not because i thought he's bodyguard
It was kinda too early, should have used nothing and kept doc for late game is what gry meant
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Honestly this could been suspicious move if it was done by one that was already used with game but you're new so meh
 

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It was kinda too early, should have used nothing and kept doc for late game is what gry meant
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Honestly this could been suspicious move if it was done by one that was already used with game but you're new so meh
okay i understand that
 

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I take a nap and everything explodes :lmao.
 

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I just got home, will make dinner first before super active here (โ€œyou are not yourself when you are hungryโ€)

Saw the tags though, have nothing against revealing if you guys want me to ๐Ÿ˜Š
 

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I just got home, will make dinner first before super active here (โ€œyou are not yourself when you are hungryโ€)

Saw the tags though, have nothing against revealing if you guys want me to ๐Ÿ˜Š
Wait till demon and tatsu reveal unless you find a contradicting claim with those that already revealed
 
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