Games Mafia Game 95 - Saint Seiya: Era of the Zodiac - End Game

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Madame fallaFar's Daily Horoscope corner!
With the very last bits of their energy they can muster, the Teller takes to the stars one final time



Aries
"Sure, your sign might be considered a little unfiltered, bold and daring even; prone to being bored, one could say. But this also allows you to reach new heights other signs rarely ascend to. This week the Virgo moon will be in descent and Jupiter will be in retrograde, meaning it's high time for you to set out on a new venture. Yet, with the waning sun and rising tides also comes the warning not to overreach. Fate is a zero-sum game, and not one you can always win."

Taurus
"Despite your penchant for resting, over long enough periods of time, this might cause rusting. Your all-or-nothing demeanour makes it hard for you to change or to pivot at the exact moment you need. This week you will be once again presented with an opportunity and the stars have aligned for you to reach out. Though it might go against your nature, it might be your destiny."

Gemini
"You're charismatic and good with words, both written and in conversation. But your charm has a washing-machine type of effect; others believe you, no matter what you say, and consequently, you start believing it too. In the short term, that works wonders for you. In the long-term, you might find yourself cornered by a lack of good advice, and people around you to balance out your persona. This week, the stars will provide you with an opportunity in disguise to make a change in this. That person who argues against you might actually be looking out for you. For a change, it might be best to let someone else do the talking, and despite all odds, that might enrich your life greatly"

Cancer
"You're a sensitive person who seeks both provide and give comfort. You forgive but don't forget, you set boundaries that are vigilantly guarded and maintained but are willing to take on the problems of others outside of that. You might find that this week requires you to shift the window a little, when a new but unknown problem shows up on the horizon. Though people tend to lose perspective when they face the unknown, the stars can do one better than disorient you, and instead, help you make acquaintance with a whole new worldview. Be open-minded this week, and see where it takes you."



Leo
"Despite being a little vain, you exude warmth and creativity. Your larger-than-life persona makes you stand out and you like this accompanying a certain degree of luxury. And much like the King of Beasts, you hold back little energy when dealing with problems, both big and small. This week you will be asked to practice restraint and proportionality. Even the Lion needs rest."

Virgo
"The Virgo sign is a compassionate one. You feel the need to be useful to others, no matter what. It helps that usually you are in fact the kind of person who can produce useful solutions. You have a million ideas per second that are produced by a rich tapestry of experience. Your quick thinking makes it so you can find quick fixes to whatever situation. This however does not mean there always is a solution, and you need to make peace with that. This week, try figuring out yourself, too."

Libra
"You hate being alone, but you also hate conflict. You see every side which makes it so you have trouble making decisions. But this week is not the time to get lost in fantasy and lose yourself to eventualities that might never occur. It is time to stand your ground and figure out how to break your current dead-lock. This week, you will have to decide. When you decide, go deeper than trying to understand both sides and instead try to figure out why you feel the need to mediate."

Scorpio
"No sign takes betrayal worse than you do. And this week, you will be indeed faced with betrayal. Not necessarily someone you're close to, but someone you look up to - deem better than yourself - will disappoint you. While revenge is a dish best served callously, this week, it will be important for you to choose your battles, and bide your time. You don't know how much poison you will be needing going forward, and who to use it on, if you take out everything in sight."



Sagittarius
"You have no indoor voice and form opinions almost exclusively based on how you feel in the moment. Simultaneously, you are driven by self-improvement to the point of it being a fault. Truth is a weapon you use to dish out blunt trauma to all around you, even those who didn't deserve it, much less those who can defend themselves from it. This week you will be faced with a conundrum that requires a bit more emotional intelligence than you usually care to apply. Not for lack of possession of it, however. So tap into this richer side of yourself, and learn to furnish your weapon with this pageantry."

Capricorn
"You're responsible and motivated by duty. Oriented around success, you might be a little hard to approach. Others think it, but you know it. While it may be comfortable keeping up these defences, the stars have a chance meeting for you planned this week that requires you to let down the draw bridge. It's good being an adult, but it's better not to lose sight of your childlike enthusiasms. Staying in touch with your past is not a bad thing if you understand your place in it."

Aquarius
"You are in possession of the best sign. But that doesn't mean you are being your best self. You believe in freedom, having it and living it, but faultily, you also believe the opposite of freedom is restraint. This is not true; a little self-discipline would help you improve in all aspects of your life, and allow you to exploit said freedom better. Being free means the ability to choose and you would do well seeking more input from others before you choose how you want to be free."

Pisces
"They say there's plenty of fish in the sea. And that's true. It's unfortunate then you're a sea-urchin. You also get into a fight with a duck you somehow manage to lose. Best to stay inside"
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Night Actions

Spoiler: Nighto Actions

Aha here are the spicy night actions. Past Nacho's death, the DC didn't have much to vote on... So it was dissolved. Also, empty spaces may indicate that player didn't PM for whatever reason

I was going to do an elaborate player-by-player review like last time, but this time noona did it, and hers were pretty good so I'll stick to those

Compared to the previous burning building mechanic, I think noona and I pretty easily settled on the form of this idea, stamping out technicalities along the way. I thought the DC mechanic was pretty interesting, though perhaps not all effects were equally balanced (nor did all effects provide the DC with the same amount of powers). There is probably some more interesting concepts in this post-death corner to explore (coming to a panda game close to you). Coming up with all the effects was a little tricky but overall they produced a couple of interesting gamer moments. Hmm, I didn't expect a mafia to die to the N1 effect, I didn't think Jesus and day skip would be picked so quickly and I didn't expect horoscoping to be such hard work The tellers have it tough.

We wanted the game to have a mystical kind of atmosphere? The colours, avi's and text hopefully all contributed to that. Though usually I'm not necessarily fond of RNG, given the theme it seemed acceptable. We had to RNG onto a vote so that a majority of townies couldn't disregard a minority mafo. There was a rubberband kind of mechanic to a three-headed council, as the team that was getting bodied could attempt to control the course of the constellations. Introducing lovers into the game at a later point proved an interesting stimulant, in that even trusted players could get burnt. Inactive or unwilling players could refrain from engaging with the mechanic heavily. Living players didn't necessarily have to learn all the effects while they were playing; they could focus on the game and look up a list of more invested players after kicking the bucket.

I liked random-kuns debut. He helped a lot with Rin-chan-campaigning and has a penchant for omo'ing. It's a smart bot, for sure. It did its best. Not a lot to say about it, other than that I'm disappointed in the players who had random-kun RNG onto someone to vote for LOL, very painful. Its final deciding coin toss turned out to be pretty relevant. Apparently, random-kun has a penchant for multiples of 2 but will roll onto uneven numbers if you praise or intimidate it. Perhaps it keeps track of how everyone is treating it . I think in these few cute paragraphs I've surmised most of my immediately relevant thoughts. Hopefully, less panda game shenanigans next time

Once again, congratulations to the winners, and thank you for playing!
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[avietar]

@avietar Can you tell us again all you previous target ? Just in case

N1 hardy: no results
N2 evil: no results
N3 -
N4 james: no results
N5 tatsu: ...

@Tatsumaki ?

 

[Maryxxi]

You see considering you were bodyguard marma, if mafia killed marma, you could died instead no matter what unless you were blocked
Marma have traitor role, if she is a real traitor and not naive like she saying, she could join mafia if they kill her

Well, if you were Marm's bodyguard, Marmalade couldn't have been recruited.

She wasn't even targeted, given you're alive.

Wonder if the mafia were thinking to, but persuaded to another townie by a particular mafia, for reasons.

thanks

 

[GrySun]

Imo there has to be a (recruited) scum between Marma and Sakura.

1. If it‘s Marma they either:
1A: blocked Mary(explaining why they let dets and spies unblocked?) because idk how many dead town roles were left for her to use, maybe they concluded she could only mess up a kill/recruit on an unlikely target. Then remaining mafias would be 2 out of Juviii, James, Gajeel, Brandish and Tatsu(if Boss) to throw a wide net. Would need to check who Marm interacted most with to know better.
1B: Mary is mafia that is faking Necro and recruited Marm. Saving the Bodyguard for her claim for when she recruits the Traitor sounds like a big brain strategy some experienced player thought of. James last one in this case for me.

2. If it‘s sakura she‘s lying about some names on her list and was indeed recruited after I pointed out she had a secondary last day. She‘s been accusing some players so could be Gajeel and Juviii left as mafias in this theory, unless she was purposefully avoiding mentioning her team much.

 

[Brandish μ]

I have to go fishing early in the morning so I'll be off in about 1 hour. So I will votelock at that time.

Is it James, Juviii or Gajeel?

 

[Baka Taichou]

Imo there has to be a (recruited) scum between Marma and Sakura.

1. If it‘s Marma they either:
1A: blocked Mary(explaining why they let dets and spies unblocked?) because idk how many dead town roles were left for her to use, maybe they concluded she could only mess up a kill/recruit on an unlikely target. Then remaining mafias would be 2 out of Juviii, James, Gajeel, Brandish and Tatsu(if Boss) to throw a wide net. Would need to check who Marm interacted most with to know better.
1B: Mary is mafia that is faking Necro and recruited Marm. Saving the Bodyguard for her claim for when she recruits the Traitor sounds like a big brain strategy some experienced player thought of. James last one in this case for me.

2. If it‘s sakura she‘s lying about some names on her list and was indeed recruited after I pointed out she had a secondary last day. She‘s been accusing some players so could be Gajeel and Juviii left as mafias in this theory, unless she was purposefully avoiding mentioning her team much.

just check me out tonight you'll see my secondary role is still there... or check out marm and see if she still has her secondary role, just don't tell us which you check and then the next night check the other one, and then see. if one of us is faking either tonight or tomorrow we'd be recruited if we haven't been already.

 

[Juviii]

Imo there has to be a (recruited) scum between Marma and Sakura.

1. If it‘s Marma they either:
1A: blocked Mary(explaining why they let dets and spies unblocked?) because idk how many dead town roles were left for her to use, maybe they concluded she could only mess up a kill/recruit on an unlikely target. Then remaining mafias would be 2 out of Juviii, James, Gajeel, Brandish and Tatsu(if Boss) to throw a wide net. Would need to check who Marm interacted most with to know better.
1B: Mary is mafia that is faking Necro and recruited Marm. Saving the Bodyguard for her claim for when she recruits the Traitor sounds like a big brain strategy some experienced player thought of. James last one in this case for me.

2. If it‘s sakura she‘s lying about some names on her list and was indeed recruited after I pointed out she had a secondary last day. She‘s been accusing some players so could be Gajeel and Juviii left as mafias in this theory, unless she was purposefully avoiding mentioning her team much.

Gajeel wants me dead and you are saying we are buddies?

 

[GrySun]

Gajeel wants me dead and you are saying we are buddies?

He kinda defended you from Brandish saying he blocked you, in a sense. The other times of you two pointing fingers at each other can just be plays. But Gajeel‘s pretty distant from anyone to find a mafia buddy if he‘s mafia.

 

[Gajeel]

I want Juviii and eventually James to drop dead. Is that not clear enough yet? And I’m no lover boy.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 3, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 3, 2021 ---

Was?

Capricorn (last phase) gave me Doctor. Samuel swapped my role with his.

 

[GrySun]

Only James hasn‘t appeared yet right?

 

[Tatsumaki]

So I spoke with the admin for a moment and now know what my response means (it was different from what I got the first nights).

All that's left for me to know now is who Tatsu targeted. It won't work if Tatsu says it after me, because then they could adjust their answer and I'd still know nothing.

Also: who targeted me last night again?

@Tatsumaki , I'm not out to incriminate you, just want to find answers. Can you please tell me who you targeted?

The det just confirmed I was a legit townie so why would I adjust my answer. On the contrary you're the one who could adjust it now.
Not that I care. I targeted Juviii.

 

[Maryxxi]

Imo there has to be a (recruited) scum between Marma and Sakura.

1. If it‘s Marma they either:
1A: blocked Mary(explaining why they let dets and spies unblocked?) because idk how many dead town roles were left for her to use, maybe they concluded she could only mess up a kill/recruit on an unlikely target. Then remaining mafias would be 2 out of Juviii, James, Gajeel, Brandish and Tatsu(if Boss) to throw a wide net. Would need to check who Marm interacted most with to know better.
1B: Mary is mafia that is faking Necro and recruited Marm. Saving the Bodyguard for her claim for when she recruits the Traitor sounds like a big brain strategy some experienced player thought of. James last one in this case for me.

2. If it‘s sakura she‘s lying about some names on her list and was indeed recruited after I pointed out she had a secondary last day. She‘s been accusing some players so could be Gajeel and Juviii left as mafias in this theory, unless she was purposefully avoiding mentioning her team much.

interesting theory, big brain in fact. should i explain why i chose mortician over bodyguard that night, thus saving bodyguard for last night? also why i targeted marma instead of asako?

 

[Baka Taichou]

I want Juviii and eventually James to drop dead. Is that not clear enough yet? And I’m no lover boy.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 3, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 3, 2021 ---

Capricorn (last phase) gave me Doctor. Samuel swapped my role with his.

oh, convenient but oki nice if true

 

[GrySun]

interesting theory, big brain in fact. should i explain why i chose mortician over bodyguard that night, thus saving bodyguard for last night? also why i targeted marma instead of asako?

Yes it‘s a game of words, the more in-detail you describe your thoughts and actions the better. So feel free.

 

[Asako]

Capricorn (last phase) gave me Doctor. Samuel swapped my role with his.

But why could sam go for you ???
You not clear enough to give a doc to...

 

[Gajeel]

Nah ,i.m traitor. Up until asako got guilty on demon i thought i was sane, cuz dd and desin were on my list.

Oh really? Weren’t you bragging that you were the only one going full train on digitaldude since early game? BEFORE Demonspeed was found guilty? Is that how a traitor is supposed to play?
Don’t waste your action on her Gry, she’s probably just stalling and bluffing. She’s still a lover girl.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 3, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 3, 2021 ---

But why could sam go for you ???
You not clear enough to give a doc to...

I was Townie and you all had important roles or were shady. It just turned out that I had a bad role and was less shady than some others? It’s a fact that I got the role, but I don’t know his full reasoning. Just ask him after the game.

 

[Asako]

He probably bribed you to vote for musashi, yes must be...

 

[Baka Taichou]

Oh really? Weren’t you bragging that you were the only one going full train on digitaldude since early game? BEFORE Demonspeed was found guilty? Is that how a traitor is supposed to play?
Don’t waste your action on her Gry, she’s probably just stalling and bluffing. She’s still a lover girl.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 3, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 3, 2021 ---

I was Townie and you all had important roles or were shady. It just turned out that I had a bad role and was less shady than some others? It’s a fact that I got the role, but I don’t know his full reasoning. Just ask him after the game.

Lol Gajeel )))))) You have no idea how I think, so read below, as I just finished writing my thought process for this game, if this doesn't make sense or you find it sus, I already specified 3 times today and i think at least 2 times yesterday, that you guys can lynch me today.

Anyway, here are my thoughts while playing:

Spoiler: Spoilered cuz there's a shit ton of text:

After D1 when I saw Desin dead I figured oh look I'm sane because he was on my list and I never played a game where there were 2 traitors one naive and one sane so I didn't take the possibility into account (especially because my list had 5 players), or there being more real traitors(like even 2 traitors to be in it with 2 mafia teams or one big mafia with 2 traitors one naive).

But then when the 4 lynch list was put up, Marma and Erin both revealed they're both traitors and naive cuz they got other ppl on their lists, I figured, what if one of them is lying and I might be naive. But since said list is randomized I wanted to test it by getting one of the people on it lynched, so I can verify my result (hence me going for DD the weakest player least contributing in the game that was on my list easier to frame than the others). After I got him lynched I reached the conclusion that I am indeed sane traitor.

So my play next would be to try and frame Gry bit by bit but when he mentioned he investigated avietar cuz lovers are now in, I had a hunch he might be lying about his claim but he was so chill i left my guard down, so I proceeded with framing Juviii, since Juviii was on gry's radar since day one, and I hadn't actually interacted with her throughout the game, and she was also on my mafia list to which at the time I already thought I was sane and figured taking her down with my results would confirm me and then mby I'd actually get recruited and get rid of my secondary role too in case gry would verify me.

I figured I'd spy on her in case someone decides to check me (like avietar in the case that we're both sane for some pandagame reason) and bullshit her action and target and her being sicklied was quite in my favor. I did that, because revealing her through my night actions would confirm me as sane spy once and for all. The stars were aligned, finally Uranus shined upon my Aquarius! But then Uranus decided to shit all over my face cuz ofc Gry had to ruin everything (if it wasn't for this pesky GRY AND HIS HUNCHES I would have gotten away with it too), so I knew I was fucked but I didn't want to give up, because that's who I am, so I figured that even if I died, I'd try some lover framing Gry back since he gave me an opening by saying that "traitor spy is so weaksauce" (Because there is A CHANCE THAT HE ACTUALLY IS LOVERS which will fucking suck for town because no one can actually prove it. Unless by some miracle you lynch the mafia lover and there's no trio, he'll just play everyone by taking his time investigating others not finding secondary roles and such, and just used this possibility to frame me for a next on the list lynch) and maybe my death would take susness off of Juviii instead, since I still believed I was sane.

Then I votelocked Gry "out of spite" because I knew someone will suggest that I (or some other sus) be the last to vote (as has happened many times before when a bomb claim came out) and idk if it was a hunch that I might still be naive and in reality marma to be the sane one or not or we're all 3 naive, but I did it with that thought in mind. Then I saw Mary saying she's necro, but I figured she must be lying since no one else claimed it and didn't have to actually be in the game as it wasn't a role I saw in every game I played (like others are, spy doc etc). The problem that, with Asako's reveal that Demonspeed turned up guilty (later lynched and confirmed),was not on my mafia list... so.... I realized Juviii being on my list might also not be mafia and all my hard work was for fucking nothing and I almost got a townie killed and my aliagence was fucking fake...
I couldn't have possibly known that so I shouldn't say sorry for decieving you all, cuz I at least got a mafia lynched with DD, though looking in perspective now, it was just dumb luck that i chose him, but I still feel bad because I realize that no matter what I say I still look sus and that just makes me lose interest in actively playing, and with the communications audit coming up, which is a big responsability I can't even focus(plus my general very depressed mood lately), so I'm a bit low...

Anyway, my theories are:

1. Erin was true traitor and only offered herself because she was actually too busy to play, since we can't know if sane or insane because it only says "traitor"
2. Marama's the real traitor
3. We're all naive traitors and this panda game is weird af. but then there's 6 mafias definitely so there's that too.


As for the rest on my list, I was trying to stay away from Mary the most cuz she seemed the only one ppl didn't distrust out of my list, and gajeel, but then some players started being inquisitive against gajeel and I figured i'd add him to my sus list just for kicks and to distance myself a bit, since he also claimed vanilla and I was pretty sure that vanilla might actually not even be in the game you know since no one countered his claim, but i didn't pursue on that path further. I hoped that me directly attacking them (DD Juviii and gajeel) would get them to recruit me finally, and if my results on juviii would have gone well and she'd have proved to be mafia, I'd be in the clear for sure, and then even if Gajeel would have been caught, me and Mary would have proceeded at our leisure.

 

[avietar]

The det just confirmed I was a legit townie so why would I adjust my answer. On the contrary you're the one who could adjust it now.
Not that I care. I targeted Juviii.

Then I was blocked, again, because I again got no results.

 

[Maryxxi]

interesting theory, big brain in fact. should i explain why i chose mortician over bodyguard that night, thus saving bodyguard for last night? also why i targeted marma instead of asako?

Yes it‘s a game of words, the more in-detail you describe your thoughts and actions the better. So feel free.

Yes it‘s a game of words, the more in-detail you describe your thoughts and actions the better. So feel free.

The night when bodyguard was available for me to use is N4 when I had to choose between it and Margi’s mortician role. Why did I choose to use mortician over bodyguard?
1. cuz I wanted to confirm if someone is lying out of the spies as they both targeted evil on the same night as I was having doubts about noona + also bonus point to see if u lied about targeting evil
2. But also cuz I thought I could be more useful when other townies with interesting roles get killed. The one who was worth bodyguarding that night was EH as he said he is prostitute. i did consider for a bit bodyguarding him but I decided not to, cuz saving EH didn’t seem more worth it than me being useful late game by getting other roles, considering the chances of him blocking the right person and the fact that he will get killed next phase anyways. Glad I didn’t bodyguard him as he ended up getting his role stolen anyways.


Also I need to explain why I chose to bodyguard marma over asako I guess?
Cuz I thought mafia would kill doc marma and escort detective asako. This scenario sounded more beneficial for them cuz well they’ll make us lose the doc AND the results from the detective on the same day. sounded like a better scenario that just killing the detective and escorting doc to allow that kill.
and I was pretty confident that doc marma would protect det asako as she IS the priority, and there is no way she would protect me hoping I would protect asako because of the anonymous vote on me that made me look sus.

 

[Baka Taichou]

Lol Gajeel )))))) You have no idea how I think, so read below, as I just finished writing my thought process for this game, if this doesn't make sense or you find it sus, I already specified 3 times today and i think at least 2 times yesterday, that you guys can lynch me today.

Anyway, here are my thoughts while playing:

Spoiler: Spoilered cuz there's a shit ton of text:

After D1 when I saw Desin dead I figured oh look I'm sane because he was on my list and I never played a game where there were 2 traitors one naive and one sane so I didn't take the possibility into account (especially because my list had 5 players), or there being more real traitors(like even 2 traitors to be in it with 2 mafia teams or one big mafia with 2 traitors one naive).

But then when the 4 lynch list was put up, Marma and Erin both revealed they're both traitors and naive cuz they got other ppl on their lists, I figured, what if one of them is lying and I might be naive. But since said list is randomized I wanted to test it by getting one of the people on it lynched, so I can verify my result (hence me going for DD the weakest player least contributing in the game that was on my list easier to frame than the others). After I got him lynched I reached the conclusion that I am indeed sane traitor.

So my play next would be to try and frame Gry bit by bit but when he mentioned he investigated avietar cuz lovers are now in, I had a hunch he might be lying about his claim but he was so chill i left my guard down, so I proceeded with framing Juviii, since Juviii was on gry's radar since day one, and I hadn't actually interacted with her throughout the game, and she was also on my mafia list to which at the time I already thought I was sane and figured taking her down with my results would confirm me and then mby I'd actually get recruited and get rid of my secondary role too in case gry would verify me.

I figured I'd spy on her in case someone decides to check me (like avietar in the case that we're both sane for some pandagame reason) and bullshit her action and target and her being sicklied was quite in my favor. I did that, because revealing her through my night actions would confirm me as sane spy once and for all. The stars were aligned, finally Uranus shined upon my Aquarius! But then Uranus decided to shit all over my face cuz ofc Gry had to ruin everything (if it wasn't for this pesky GRY AND HIS HUNCHES I would have gotten away with it too), so I knew I was fucked but I didn't want to give up, because that's who I am, so I figured that even if I died, I'd try some lover framing Gry back since he gave me an opening by saying that "traitor spy is so weaksauce" (Because there is A CHANCE THAT HE ACTUALLY IS LOVERS which will fucking suck for town because no one can actually prove it. Unless by some miracle you lynch the mafia lover and there's no trio, he'll just play everyone by taking his time investigating others not finding secondary roles and such, and just used this possibility to frame me for a next on the list lynch) and maybe my death would take susness off of Juviii instead, since I still believed I was sane.

Then I votelocked Gry "out of spite" because I knew someone will suggest that I (or some other sus) be the last to vote (as has happened many times before when a bomb claim came out) and idk if it was a hunch that I might still be naive and in reality marma to be the sane one or not or we're all 3 naive, but I did it with that thought in mind. Then I saw Mary saying she's necro, but I figured she must be lying since no one else claimed it and didn't have to actually be in the game as it wasn't a role I saw in every game I played (like others are, spy doc etc). The problem that, with Asako's reveal that Demonspeed turned up guilty (later lynched and confirmed),was not on my mafia list... so.... I realized Juviii being on my list might also not be mafia and all my hard work was for fucking nothing and I almost got a townie killed and my aliagence was fucking fake...
I couldn't have possibly known that so I shouldn't say sorry for decieving you all, cuz I at least got a mafia lynched with DD, though looking in perspective now, it was just dumb luck that i chose him, but I still feel bad because I realize that no matter what I say I still look sus and that just makes me lose interest in actively playing, and with the communications audit coming up, which is a big responsability I can't even focus(plus my general very depressed mood lately), so I'm a bit low...

Anyway, my theories are:

1. Erin was true traitor and only offered herself because she was actually too busy to play, since we can't know if sane or insane because it only says "traitor"
2. Marama's the real traitor
3. We're all naive traitors and this panda game is weird af. but then there's 6 mafias definitely so there's that too.


As for the rest on my list, I was trying to stay away from Mary the most cuz she seemed the only one ppl didn't distrust out of my list, and gajeel, but then some players started being inquisitive against gajeel and I figured i'd add him to my sus list just for kicks and to distance myself a bit, since he also claimed vanilla and I was pretty sure that vanilla might actually not even be in the game you know since no one countered his claim, but i didn't pursue on that path further. I hoped that me directly attacking them (DD Juviii and gajeel) would get them to recruit me finally, and if my results on juviii would have gone well and she'd have proved to be mafia, I'd be in the clear for sure, and then even if Gajeel would have been caught, me and Mary would have proceeded at our leisure.

also on the note of erin and marma claiming naive traitors right after the role that can verify secondary role existence was revealed was pretty sus. add that thought to where I mentioned when marma and erin revealed.