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A series set up like Kuroko but Piano definitely piques my interest.

Also I was curious so here's the rounds with just one series starting from the past couple decades

2003 #31 - Kanagawa Isonan Fuuten-gumi
2004 #8 -- Steel Ball Run
2004 #40 - Waqwaq
2004 #53 - Muhyo & Roji
2007 #44 - Hatsukoi Limited
2011 #23 - Hanasaka Ikkyuu
2011 #39 - Kurogane
2013 #47 - Isobe Isobee
2014 #1 -- Iron Knight
2014 #26 - Hinomaru Sumo
2015 #33 - Best Blue
2015 #51 - Buddy Strike
2018 #46 - The Comiq (mini-series)
2019 #48 - Dr Stone Reboot (mini-series)

not a huge amount but they often seem to have periods with a few 1-series rounds close together (perhaps when the magazine's the most competitive?) followed by multiple years of none, I wonder if we'll see a couple more one series rounds in 2022 as well.
 

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A series set up like Kuroko but Piano definitely piques my interest.

Also I was curious so here's the rounds with just one series starting from the past couple decades

2003 #31 - Kanagawa Isonan Fuuten-gumi
2004 #8 -- Steel Ball Run
2004 #40 - Waqwaq
2004 #53 - Muhyo & Roji
2007 #44 - Hatsukoi Limited
2011 #23 - Hanasaka Ikkyuu
2011 #39 - Kurogane
2013 #47 - Isobe Isobee
2014 #1 -- Iron Knight
2014 #26 - Hinomaru Sumo
2015 #33 - Best Blue
2015 #51 - Buddy Strike
2018 #46 - The Comiq (mini-series)
2019 #48 - Dr Stone Reboot (mini-series)

not a huge amount but they often seem to have periods with a few 1-series rounds close together (perhaps when the magazine's the most competitive?) followed by multiple years of none, I wonder if we'll see a couple more one series rounds in 2022 as well.
Based on this, the chance of success seems like 50/50 for series from a 1 round serialization, or at least a good start.

Personally i have a bit of good feeling towards PPPPPP because of being a only new series, from so many typical stuff they could choose just to fill a gap, they went for a piano series, they probably saw something good on it (but i don't want to jinx it :emocat)
 
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Jump #41:

Great:
One Piece
- What a chapter and what a cliffhanger! I love that Oda didn't suddenly made Momo fearless and he still have to overcome his weaknesses. This is going to be an epic battle🔥
Sakamoto Days - Great hype building. This is gonna be a hella of an epic arc. 💪🏼
Blue Box - We turn into sport mode and it was a great way to show what Taiki is lacking.
Neru - Smooth chapter. Come on, Japanese, don't let it go...

Good:
Jujutsu Kaisen
- Strategy discussion chapter. The action is about to start!
The Elusive Samurai - It was a good arc with a pretty nice strategy moves. The warrior with the plain face is epicly hilarious 😂
Witch Watch - Somewhat touching ending of the arc. A really nice gesture of Nico. Probably now we gonna have a couple of daily gag chapters before the plot starts to move again.

Fine:
Red Hood
- Nice fight planning, but at some parts the art made it hard to follow again.

Meh:
Candy Flurry
- Just wasn't good enough to survive in Jump.
 

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Early issue means early toc

Megaton Musashi bros will our time finally come?

A series set up like Kuroko but Piano definitely piques my interest.

Also I was curious so here's the rounds with just one series starting from the past couple decades

2003 #31 - Kanagawa Isonan Fuuten-gumi
2004 #8 -- Steel Ball Run
2004 #40 - Waqwaq
2004 #53 - Muhyo & Roji
2007 #44 - Hatsukoi Limited
2011 #23 - Hanasaka Ikkyuu
2011 #39 - Kurogane
2013 #47 - Isobe Isobee
2014 #1 -- Iron Knight
2014 #26 - Hinomaru Sumo
2015 #33 - Best Blue
2015 #51 - Buddy Strike
2018 #46 - The Comiq (mini-series)
2019 #48 - Dr Stone Reboot (mini-series)

not a huge amount but they often seem to have periods with a few 1-series rounds close together (perhaps when the magazine's the most competitive?) followed by multiple years of none, I wonder if we'll see a couple more one series rounds in 2022 as well.
if you're going to count miniseries as a serialization round there's Moromono no Jijou by Samon-kun author
which started in issue 46 in 2014
 

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Also, whats with RH author alwasy tell you 'something' before its happening..
Like seriously, tho. Chapter 4 when the last page, 2 villians showup, the Narrator said that the village will gone. Bruh, thats kill the tension, now we knew what they are doing, and when its happening its no sureprise. No mourn because we prepare for week.
And Last chapter, last 2 page established 'BETRAYAL' sub-plot. Holy mow, YOU should doing the betrayal first, then established velou or others to 'think' or concluded that there is the betrayal among them.. We didnt even see any of them did shit, and everything still according to plan (i giggle again)..
Like seriously tho, why he did that??
Oh also the mayor is ALIVE and BEHIND everything. you know what more impatcful?? If MAYOR show up first time after his dead in front of Velou, so we feel sureprise and confused and dumbfounded or any feeling as same as velou at SAME TIME.. but no, you explain everything up before show it up..
 

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Weekly Shoseki Top 500 (9/6/21 - 9/12/21)

1. One Piece #100
48. Kaiu Shirai x Demizu Posuka Short Stories
59. Sakamoto Days #3 (18,038 / 33,976)
70. Witch Watch #2 (15,640 / 33,274)
251. Build King #3 (4,038 / 7,982)
359. High School Family: Kokosei Kazoku #3 (2,948 / 5,982)
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To add:

107. Blue Box #1 (8,788 / 89,691)
253. The Elusive Samurai #2 (4,014 / 98,673)
340. The Elusive Samurai #1 (3,110 / 123,919)
 
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Pretty significant growth so far for both Sakamoto and Witch Watch, which was expected but still nice to see. Also surprised to see a little bit of growth with High School Family, but that could also just be a difference in estimations at that small of a level.
 

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Sakamoto had a great 2nd week, really surprised it managed to outsell Witch Watch, maybe is running out of stock in stores.

Build King strategy worked, is the best selling vol even if for a few copies:

227. Build King #1 (4,349 / 7,495)
411. Build King #2 (2,662 / 6,249)
251. Build King #3 (4,038 / 7,982)

And like @lgrmjauffre said, HSF also sold few copies more, overall a good week
 

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I only came here looking for the early toc, but I suppose I might as well contribute to the discussion while I'm at it.

Also, whats with RH author alwasy tell you 'something' before its happening..
Like seriously, tho. Chapter 4 when the last page, 2 villians showup, the Narrator said that the village will gone. Bruh, thats kill the tension, now we knew what they are doing, and when its happening its no sureprise. No mourn because we prepare for week.
And Last chapter, last 2 page established 'BETRAYAL' sub-plot. Holy mow, YOU should doing the betrayal first, then established velou or others to 'think' or concluded that there is the betrayal among them.. We didnt even see any of them did shit, and everything still according to plan (i giggle again)..
Like seriously tho, why he did that??
Oh also the mayor is ALIVE and BEHIND everything. you know what more impatcful?? If MAYOR show up first time after his dead in front of Velou, so we feel sureprise and confused and dumbfounded or any feeling as same as velou at SAME TIME.. but no, you explain everything up before show it up..
I don't think the idea here is just to have a betrayal, but to create tension. Compare a character being told that they have a severe heart condition that could kill them at any moment vs a character just suddenly dying of a heart attack with no warning. A sudden death out of nowhere is more shocking for sure, but if you tease it beforehand you can build up tension by making the readers wonder if or when that heart problem is going to come into play. Any time there's a situation where that character has to exert themselves the readers will be on the edges of their seats wondering if this is going to be it for that character. Similarly by planting the idea of a traitor in the readers' heads the author can make them start looking at the characters with suspicion. Is someone actually going to betray the group? Who is the most suspicious person among them? I think this kind of an approach is more interesting than just having one of these characters we've barely met suddenly turn out to be a traitor. Shock value only gets you so far.

There's also another angle to this in that the idea of betrayal was brought up by Tylty as the explanation for why him and Mylty failed the test the last time around. Instead of trusting each other and working as a team like Velou's group is doing, the previous hunter candidates were all paranoid about each other and failed. I think this serves to highlight that Velou and the others have the right idea, especially since if they succeed it will result in every single candidate passing the test, which would be the polar opposite of what happened the last time around when every single candidate failed. If you just take the rules at face value and tackle the exam like a normal game of cops and robbers you are guaranteed to lose. None of the newbies should be able to evade two professional hunters for two hours. You can only win if you pay attention to the rules and work as a team to plan around them. The handful of people who made the seemingly counterproductive decision to not run away at the start are the ones who actually know what they're doing. Tylty and Mylty running away shows that they don't have what it takes to be hunters just like last time, which is why they'll probably change their minds and redeem themselves by rescuing everyone at the eleventh hour.

The mayor reveal being too sudden I kind of agree on. I think the reason it happened so early was probably because the first volume needed some sort of a twist that would make the audience curious about what's going on. I guess you could also see the mayor tailing Ironworks together with the Rest List members as a way to set up a quick final boss fight in case the axe came down. The little red riding hood faces the big bad wolf, Debonair gets to fight the potential source of her heat curse and Velou has an axe duel with the mayor. That would actually make for a pretty solid finale as far as rushed endings go, but I'm hoping the series manages avoid that fate. I've been enjoying the series ever since the Red List showed up and would like to see it stick around. Things aren't looking too good at this point though.
 

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RH spent two chapters so far on heavy infodump, some of the paneling is creative, but still feels hard to read and too much text for my liking, you don't need that much text to explain a basic plan or make your character smart.
That part was definitely over-explained lol, I get that the author wanted to be more concrete what their plan is and actually feel like reading a hunting manga but at the same time if felt more of a fake-smart info dump cuz the plan was just too simple anyway
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Btw, looking at this color preview for PPPPPP, it's only missing the red hair character to be literally like the comparison i made earlier with the Generation of Miracles from Kuroko no Basket kkkk:kagami
I want to see PPPPPP survive just to see dem twittors malding in salt
 
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I only came here looking for the early toc, but I suppose I might as well contribute to the discussion while I'm at it.


I don't think the idea here is just to have a betrayal, but to create tension. Compare a character being told that they have a severe heart condition that could kill them at any moment vs a character just suddenly dying of a heart attack with no warning. A sudden death out of nowhere is more shocking for sure, but if you tease it beforehand you can build up tension by making the readers wonder if or when that heart problem is going to come into play. Any time there's a situation where that character has to exert themselves the readers will be on the edges of their seats wondering if this is going to be it for that character. Similarly by planting the idea of a traitor in the readers' heads the author can make them start looking at the characters with suspicion. Is someone actually going to betray the group? Who is the most suspicious person among them? I think this kind of an approach is more interesting than just having one of these characters we've barely met suddenly turn out to be a traitor. Shock value only gets you so far.

There's also another angle to this in that the idea of betrayal was brought up by Tylty as the explanation for why him and Mylty failed the test the last time around. Instead of trusting each other and working as a team like Velou's group is doing, the previous hunter candidates were all paranoid about each other and failed. I think this serves to highlight that Velou and the others have the right idea, especially since if they succeed it will result in every single candidate passing the test, which would be the polar opposite of what happened the last time around when every single candidate failed. If you just take the rules at face value and tackle the exam like a normal game of cops and robbers you are guaranteed to lose. None of the newbies should be able to evade two professional hunters for two hours. You can only win if you pay attention to the rules and work as a team to plan around them. The handful of people who made the seemingly counterproductive decision to not run away at the start are the ones who actually know what they're doing. Tylty and Mylty running away shows that they don't have what it takes to be hunters just like last time, which is why they'll probably change their minds and redeem themselves by rescuing everyone at the eleventh hour.

The mayor reveal being too sudden I kind of agree on. I think the reason it happened so early was probably because the first volume needed some sort of a twist that would make the audience curious about what's going on. I guess you could also see the mayor tailing Ironworks together with the Rest List members as a way to set up a quick final boss fight in case the axe came down. The little red riding hood faces the big bad wolf, Debonair gets to fight the potential source of her heat curse and Velou has an axe duel with the mayor. That would actually make for a pretty solid finale as far as rushed endings go, but I'm hoping the series manages avoid that fate. I've been enjoying the series ever since the Red List showed up and would like to see it stick around. Things aren't looking too good at this point though.
I agree with the tension, its call 'BOMB under the Table' scenario, or RUBBER-BAND getting stretch, its to maximize the impact.
-But, thats still 'wrong' on 'maximize' betrayal subplot. I want hint there is something wrong happening, or not all action according to plan (someone die, like aizen, hehehehe thats absurd example), then in the end reveal there is betrayal among them but we still dont know who is doing it. Then velou had flashback with the veterans who fail last time because the same thing happening.. So we got the shock, then after that we follow the same scenario like this chapter and after. We still can try to guess who, etc. So in the end, we still get the tension Plus the shocking part.
-somehow, its ease the tension, because, i feel like VELOU already prepare it. We the reader knew it, the characters 'knew' it too. Understandable, right? Its like if you do it, do it right, or dont at all.
But now, i am more surprises if there is no betrayal after being told in OUR FACE, thats kubo-level troll. All participant is in the same page, all buddy-buddy., The negative aspect is, no conflict among newbie.

But hey, thats just my opinion
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Not good company to had.. I still sad about golem hearts, i love the one shot, but the direction of the series all goes wrong (adventure ala One Piece to naruto-MHA-BC route).
 

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Prays Neru doesn't join such company.
 

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It's not completely hopeless for Red Hood since Act-age and Magu-chan both dropped to the bottom early on then recovered and stuck around, but I think not until ch 13-14 so on the other hand it wasn't quite as quick for them (and also both probably benefited from not being battle shounen).
 

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BEST COLOR PAGE OF SHONEN JUMP #41 - RESULTS​

1. Undead Unluck Chapter 78 (22 Votes)


2. Witch Watch Chapter 29 (13 Votes)


3. High School Family: Kokosei Kazoku Chapter 53 (9 Votes)


4. Black Clover Chapter 305 (8 Votes)


Note: 52 voters
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YU-GI-OH! 25TH ANNIVERSARY - POLL VOTING

Today, September 14, marks 25 years since the original Yu-Gi-Oh! manga from Takahashi Kazuki started on Weekly Shonen Jump in 1996, and since then the franchise spawned numerous sequels and spinoffs in form of manga, anime and video games, not to mention the classic card game that became a phenomenon in the 00's with the kids & teens and the franchise still going strong, so to celebrate, i'm opening a poll for you guys to vote in your favorite Yu-Gi-Oh! series, i picked only the main series, you can vote in 3 YGO series at most, and feel free to comment about it if you want, good votes! :super
 

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First three votes the exact same :hip
 

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I love both the original series and GX, so it was a hard choice for me. I think the original YGO is a better series if you see it as a whole, but GX is better as a Yu-Gi-Oh show (that is, as a show focused on the card game) while on the original I dig it more for the characters and the egyptian lore than for the duels that especially early on were way filled with asspulls.
 
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