Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Some interesting data, the PV for PPPPPP in the WSJ channel is currently at 149k views in only 4 days, pratically 150k, is the 2nd biggest one in the year only losing to Witch Watch that is at 249k and the 4th best since SJ started doing these PV:

1. Phantom Seer (283k)
2. Witch Watch (249k)
3. Guardian of the Witch (156k)
4. PPPPPP (149k)
5. The Elusive Samurai (146k)
6. Ayakashi Triangle (141k)
7. Mission: Yozakura Family (137k)
8. Mashle (105k)
9. Hard-Boiled Cop & Dolphin (98k)
10. Zipman! (96k)
11. Samurai 8 (86k)
12. Blue Box (82k)
13. Undead Unluck (82k)
14. High School Family (67k)
15. Me & Roboco (66k)
16. Sakamoto Days (62k)
17. Moriking (56k)
18. Red Hood (54k)
19. Time Paradox Ghostwriter (52k)
20. Bone Collection (49k)
21. Agravity Boys (47k)
22. Magu-chan (46k)
23. i tell c (39k)
24. Our Blood Oath (39k)
25. Build King (38k)
26. Tokyo Shinobi Squad (38k)
27. Candy Flurry (35k)
28. Beast Children (26k)
29. Double Taisei (22k)
30. Kowloons Ball Parade (14k)
31. Neru (12k)

Interesting to notice that despite GotW having so many views, it's by far the most disliked PV of the channel

 

[galaxy-juice]

As much as as I hope you're right, I don't think that we've seen a recent series claw their way out of dead last place even when they've finally moved past the supposedly slow/bad start. First impressions are crucial.

So while i guess it is possible for RH to get a "finally out of the hamlet" boost...I wouldn't exactly put money on it. The fact that we're hoping for things like this or "the new waifus will save the series" means we're already in Panic Mode in my estimation.

It isn't like it takes eight weeks for Jump to see the polls. It's easy to imagine that Jump has access to the reception of at least the first few chapters by the time they decide its first TOC placements. If there was even a chance for RH or Neru to turn things around Jump would never have put them at the bottom like this (especially with how the TOC is right now).

Any other sentiment is just wishful thinking or willful ignorance. They are, unfortunately, already on their way out the door.

Some interesting data, the PV for PPPPPP in the WSJ channel is currently at 149k views in only 4 days, pratically 150k, is the 2nd biggest one in the year only losing to Witch Watch that is at 249k and the 4th best since SJ started doing these PV:

1. Phantom Seer (283k)
2. Witch Watch (249k)
3. Guardian of the Witch (156k)
4. PPPPPP (149k)
5. The Elusive Samurai (146k)
6. Ayakashi Triangle (141k)
7. Mission: Yozakura Family (137k)
8. Mashle (105k)
9. Hard-Boiled Cop & Dolphin (98k)
10. Zipman! (96k)
11. Samurai 8 (86k)
12. Blue Box (82k)
13. Undead Unluck (82k)
14. High School Family (67k)
15. Me & Roboco (66k)
16. Sakamoto Days (62k)
17. Moriking (56k)
18. Red Hood (54k)
19. Time Paradox Ghostwriter (52k)
20. Bone Collection (49k)
21. Agravity Boys (47k)
22. Magu-chan (46k)
23. i tell c (39k)
24. Our Blood Oath (39k)
25. Build King (38k)
26. Tokyo Shinobi Squad (38k)
27. Candy Flurry (35k)
28. Beast Children (26k)
29. Double Taisei (22k)
30. Kowloons Ball Parade (14k)
31. Neru (12k)

Interesting to notice that despite GotW having so many views, it's by far the most disliked PV of the channel

And PP is on its way in...!

Though didn't GotW get so many views because people thought it was a PV for Burn the Witch? I remember people saying that around the time it happened.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

It isn't like it takes eight weeks for Jump to see the polls. It's easy to imagine that Jump has access to the reception of at least the first few chapters by the time they decide its first TOC placements. If there was even a chance for RH or Neru to turn things around Jump would never have put them at the bottom like this (especially with how the TOC is right now).

Any other sentiment is just wishful thinking or willful ignorance. They are, unfortunately, already on their way out the door.



And PP is on its way in...!

Though didn't GotW get so many views because people thought it was a PV for Burn the Witch? I remember people saying that around the time it happened.

GotW is way before Burn The Witch was announced, the PV was already hated at the time, even discussed in the forum too.

 

[galaxy-juice]

GotW is way before Burn The Witch was announced, the PV was already hated at the time, even discussed in the forum too.

That's true, although the PV was released in Feb 2020 and the anime announcement for BTW was in March 2020. But you're probably right that it isn't why it was so heavily viewed.

I'm very surprised that Zipman outdid Blue Box though.

 

[Pietro]

Some interesting data, the PV for PPPPPP in the WSJ channel is currently at 149k views in only 4 days, pratically 150k, is the 2nd biggest one in the year only losing to Witch Watch that is at 249k and the 4th best since SJ started doing these PV:

1. Phantom Seer (283k)
2. Witch Watch (249k)
3. Guardian of the Witch (156k)
4. PPPPPP (149k)
5. The Elusive Samurai (146k)
6. Ayakashi Triangle (141k)
7. Mission: Yozakura Family (137k)
8. Mashle (105k)
9. Hard-Boiled Cop & Dolphin (98k)
10. Zipman! (96k)
11. Samurai 8 (86k)
12. Blue Box (82k)
13. Undead Unluck (82k)
14. High School Family (67k)
15. Me & Roboco (66k)
16. Sakamoto Days (62k)
17. Moriking (56k)
18. Red Hood (54k)
19. Time Paradox Ghostwriter (52k)
20. Bone Collection (49k)
21. Agravity Boys (47k)
22. Magu-chan (46k)
23. i tell c (39k)
24. Our Blood Oath (39k)
25. Build King (38k)
26. Tokyo Shinobi Squad (38k)
27. Candy Flurry (35k)
28. Beast Children (26k)
29. Double Taisei (22k)
30. Kowloons Ball Parade (14k)
31. Neru (12k)

Interesting to notice that despite GotW having so many views, it's by far the most disliked PV of the channel

guardian of the witch lol

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 22, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 22, 2021 ---

anyway... important announcement for Yozakura? We could hit 2/2 today

 

[Stivie]

If Yozakura has anime, hopefully skip the comedy parts and focus on the parts linked to the story, so as not to make the same mistake as Reborn.

 

[NeeNeen]

Famke is a actress.

Bean isn't.

Seiya's mentor was the only recurring female with a fighting role.

 

[SharkBait]

If Yozakura has anime, hopefully skip the comedy parts and focus on the parts linked to the story, so as not to make the same mistake as Reborn.

the comedy stuff is the best part though, the anime should add several original episodes with that focus. Yozakura always has such great chapters in between the action.

 

[Teennitro]

If Yozakura has anime, hopefully skip the comedy parts and focus on the parts linked to the story, so as not to make the same mistake as Reborn.

I disagree about skipping the comedy chapters because in the beginning most of them are character introduction or learning more about the family member

 

[susanoo13]

Reborn's comedy chapters served to introduce us to the characters and the relatioships between them. Skipping it would have been detrimental to our investment in them and I say this as someone who prefers the action arcs.
I read only one chapter of Yozakura but I wouldn't like to lose some of the character buildup just to get straight to the action even if it is Yozakura's strongest point.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

If Yozakura has anime, hopefully skip the comedy parts and focus on the parts linked to the story, so as not to make the same mistake as Reborn.

What mistake? The anime was awesome, run for 202 episodes and made the manga a super hit, i wish Yozakura can make this same mistake lol

Bean isn't.

Seiya's mentor was the only recurring female with a fighting role.

Its pretty obvious they will not be loyal to the manga, i pointed her because it means isnt only Saori actress that will play a female character in the movie

 

[Stivie]

I disagree about skipping the comedy chapters because in the beginning most of them are character introduction or learning more about the family member

The normal days in reborn part is pretty boring, it only gets good after Mukuro appears.

Yozakura has a whole part that doesn't add up at all, between Mutsume's kidnapping and the invasion, except for Kuroyuki's part and Nanao.

 

[Jovan]

Magu Volume 6 cover and preview for the next issue:

Magu Color Page (Volume 6)
Undead Unluck Color Page (Volume 8 and popular)
Dandadan (Special Chapter, 32p)

 

[Stivie]

What mistake? The anime was awesome, run for 202 episodes and made the manga a super hit, i wish Yozakura can make this same mistake lol

I wouldn't say it was a super hit, the anime would have been better if it had shortened the normal days.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 22, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 22, 2021 ---

Reborn's comedy chapters served to introduce us to the characters and the relatioships between them. Skipping it would have been detrimental to our investment in them and I say this as someone who prefers the action arcs.
I read only one chapter of Yozakura but I wouldn't like to lose some of the character buildup just to get straight to the action even if it is Yozakura's strongest point.

I think you can introduce yozakura characters without wasting 2 or 4 episodes in a row just with comedy, and I know a lot of people who dropped reborn because of the slow start.

 

[SharkBait]

Reborn is just fine. Theres a reason it has cafes, new merch, new art, and people begging for more anime in September 2021.

 

[Stivie]

Reborn is just fine. Theres a reason it has cafes, new merch, new art, and people begging for more anime in September 2021.

And it wasn't thanks to the first part, but to Mukuro.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I wouldn't say it was a super hit, the anime would have been better if it had shortened the normal days.

Reborn peak in sales was over 600k copies: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-12-05/2009-japanese-comic-ranking-no.26-50

It literally wouldnt have been better, since the reason the characters are so loved and the shift to action was so well done is because the normal days. Yozakura is 100% the same case

 

[BlueLagoon]

I am a bit lost. Luffy's manga has sold 152533 copies this week and assuming that the last volume sold that entirely, which we know is not the case since they are general sales, adding all the volume 100 has sold a total of 1751692 copies. So the question arises, why the official page has announced "urgent reprints" if first, each volume of OP has a first reprint of 3 million. And two, this volume has sold basically the same as the previous two despite all the publicity .

It seems like a big fail, honestly.

 

[Stivie]

Reborn peak in sales was over 600k copies: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-12-05/2009-japanese-comic-ranking-no.26-50

It literally wouldnt have been better, since the reason the characters are so loved and the shift to action was so well done is because the normal days. Yozakura is 100% the same case

I'm not talking about sales, I'm talking about anime adaptation.

And if Yozakura happened to skip some chapters it wouldn't be bad, Assassination classroom for example didn't adapt all the chapters of the manga and even so the anime is great.

 

[SharkBait]

I am a bit lost. Luffy's manga has sold 152533 copies this week and assuming that the last volume sold that entirely, which we know is not the case since they are general sales, adding all the volume 100 has sold a total of 1751692 copies. So the question arises, why the official page has announced "urgent reprints" if first, each volume of OP has a first reprint of 3 million. And two, this volume has sold basically the same as the previous two despite all the publicity .

It seems like a big fail, honestly.

too inflate "copies in circulation" numbers