Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[galaxy-juice]

I’m going to branch out from just taking about Demon Slayer and apply this topic to canon movies in general, they are pointless.

If the argument is that some fans will be left in the dark, then that’s the same thing as expecting a retelling before each canon movie even releases. Why should I pay to watch a canon movie (I did) if your going to just release it in series form and make me wait longer to enjoy the next arc.

Moral of the story, it’s all about business and we just have to deal with it. Dragon ball Super, Boruto, Demon Slayer, what’s next?

Saying they are pointless is kind of ridiculous. Making a canon movie gives that content a much more flexible budget and pacing. While I'm sure it still would have been gorgeous, a Mugen Train made for TV would have been a step below what we actually received.

The fact that it was re-released for TV later does not change this. We go to theaters to watch movies all the time when we could just wait for them to become more accessible down the line. We are the ones choosing or not choosing to pay to watch it before that fact.

I'm surprised with how antagonistic some people seem to be to the re-release. It's not like it's affected S2, which probably would have begun airing in Winter either way. Sure, the goal is to make money (through BD, I guess), but that's why all anime is made in the first place.

 

[Minsel]

Any guesses for first week sales for october volumes? Its gonna be a 7 day week so we are the most likely to get volumes on oricon

My guesses are
MHA = 420k
BC =80k
JJK = 1.3 million
Yozakura = 30k
Undead Unluck = 34k
MASHLE = 90k
Ayakashi Triangle = 43k
Magu Chan = 8.5k
Me & Roboco = 11.5k
Blue Box = 53k

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Any guesses for first week sales for october volumes? Its gonna be a 7 day week so we are the most likely to get volumes on oricon

My guesses are
MHA = 420k
BC =80k
JJK = 1.3 million
Yozakura = 30k
Undead Unluck = 34k
MASHLE = 90k
Ayakashi Triangle = 43k
Magu Chan = 8.5k
Me & Roboco = 11.5k
Blue Box = 53k

80k in 7 days feels too little for Black Clover, vol 29 sold 124k in 10 days while Mashle #7 did 112k in 12, so it still behind, unless BC suffers a big drop or Mashle get a big increase

 

[Cerclox]

Any guesses for first week sales for october volumes? Its gonna be a 7 day week so we are the most likely to get volumes on oricon

My guesses are
MHA = 420k
BC =80k
JJK = 1.3 million
Yozakura = 30k
Undead Unluck = 34k
MASHLE = 90k
Ayakashi Triangle = 43k
Magu Chan = 8.5k
Me & Roboco = 11.5k
Blue Box = 53k

MHA = 430k
BC =120k
JJK = 1.4 million
Yozakura = 30k
Undead Unluck = 32k
MASHLE = 100k
Ayakashi Triangle = 40k
Magu Chan = 7k
Me & Roboco = 10k
Blue Box = 60k

 

[KagamiKuroko]

Any guesses for first week sales for october volumes? Its gonna be a 7 day week so we are the most likely to get volumes on oricon

My guesses are
MHA = 420k
BC =80k
JJK = 1.3 million
Yozakura = 30k
Undead Unluck = 34k
MASHLE = 90k
Ayakashi Triangle = 43k
Magu Chan = 8.5k
Me & Roboco = 11.5k
Blue Box = 53k

MHA = 490k
BC = 95k
JJK = 1.4 mil
Yozakura = 30k
UU = 30k
Mashle 100k
AT = 47k
Magu Chan = 9k
Me and Roboco = 12k
Blue Box= 65k

 

[SharkBait]

1st season was 26 episodes, there's not much reason to think 2nd season will not be the same or at least 25, we have 7 episodes for Mugen Train and another 18/19 episodes depending if is 25 or 26, not counting the fact it will start with a 1 hour eps, this is too much for only 1 arc that is mostly just fights.

food wars and haikyuu had succeessive seasons with varying lengths, demon slayer could totally do an unconventional number as well, starting with a double length episode only suggests as such.

 

[Franz]

Moral of the story, it’s all about business and we just have to deal with it.

Jujutsu Kaisen 0

 

[Neala897]

Jujutsu Kaisen 0

Obviously will be having tv retelling

 

[Pietro]

Any guesses for first week sales for october volumes? Its gonna be a 7 day week so we are the most likely to get volumes on oricon

My guesses are
MHA = 420k
BC =80k
JJK = 1.3 million
Yozakura = 30k
Undead Unluck = 34k
MASHLE = 90k
Ayakashi Triangle = 43k
Magu Chan = 8.5k
Me & Roboco = 11.5k
Blue Box = 53k

Mha= 400k
Bc = 120k
Jjk= 900k
Yozakura =40k
Undead=40k
Mashle= 100k
Ayakashi = 50k
Magu chan 10k
Me & roboco 15k
Blue box= 70k

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Still not volume spine, right?

I'm hyped for the Yozakura popularity poll being online. I hope is worldwide like always, so I can vote for Mutsumi.

Oh yeah @redon did you see the license of My Hero Academia movie 3 in Spain? Is crazy how good is being MHA 2021 in every sense both worldwide and in Spain. I'm so happy to see how MHA has became a legacy title.

EDIT: UNDEAD UNLUCK 1.3 million copies in circulation

 

[Pietro]

Still not volume spine, right?

I'm hyped for the Yozakura popularity poll being online. I hope is worldwide like always, so I can vote for Mutsumi.

Oh yeah @redon did you see the license of My Hero Academia movie 3 in Spain? Is crazy how good is being MHA 2021 in every sense both worldwide and in Spain. I'm so happy to see how MHA has became a legacy title.

EDIT: UNDEAD UNLUCK 1.3 million copies in circulation

So around 160 k per volume? Graet! Almost as Black clover

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Nice to finally see some numbers for UU but these are definitely worldwide or includes digital, 1.3 million looks too off compared to the physical volume sales.

 

[kakilangit]

did anyone bother with red hood characters being meta??? Out of nowhere, multiple character had same quirk dialogue. cindy-mayor, and now velou and his fellow (bonkers).. Its super cheap, and lazy, IMO.
i dont mind if you go there, meta-narrative, 4th wall, etc.
for example, in this issue, we also get sakamoto days being meta, with his villian and its story today. but its made perfect sense, because: The villian is crazy dude that are manga-nerd, in his introduction we immidietly see him read manga and comment on it. Now when the narrative demand it, its made sense. the situation, the characterization, the overall story- its all lined up.
UU, also had arc surround/about this. The mentor-obsessive mangaka who had knowledge all events (pass-future), then the villian had power to turn people into book and obsessed with reading it (demand great story). All being build up since the beginning, being set up well too before going all out meta.

so for SD and UU we had only selected characters and inside the arc-story that relevant, we can get meta-narrative. Compare to RH, its any character in any arc (so far) always talk like this. why tho?? is it to sound cool?? smart???
last thing, after TPGW (made sense), I tell C (almost made sense), Is it SIGN????? axed manga tend to become meta?
IMO.!!!

 

[FireFantasyVI]

Undead was pretty good, solid action and cool abilities, not much else I can ask for

Mashle was alright, felt very by the books shonen stuff, and I can't say I'm invested at all in this arc, but the arrival at the end was cool

Ayakashi was pretty good, I completely forgot about Garaku so what a way to remind me of him

Magu was good, straightforward stuff but executed well. Probably the best Magu chapter in a long while

Roboco was great, comedy was on point, as expected of a Gori and Matsuo chapter

HSF was also great, I like Haruka and the comedy landed super well. The gag trio were all really strong this week

Sakamoto was great too, really fun action

Elusive had a villian-focused chapter, which was incredible, love these kinds of chapters

Witch was great, very cute chapter

Blue Box was great as well, solid blend of cute stuff between Taiki and Chinatsu, and it's getting me excited for the tournament

Red Hood was alright, there's bits in there that I like but overall not super feeling it, and really wishing it wasn't doing an exam arc right now

Neru was pretty good, love the new character, even if it's probably too late for the series

P6 was good, I like the relationship with the mother, and in general the family dynamic has me the most interested. However I'm not sure how well it's going to sell the actual piano playing, and I'm not super interested in the school stuff.

Really good issue this week

 

[animeexpert]

yeh pack it up red hood goons.. its over. its not bad or anything on that line but its a story that needs alot more chapters to be actually immersed. simply not fitting in the status of the magazine now

 

[Aipom626]

This week's top 5:
1. Magu-chan: God of Destruction - I can really relate to their struggles as I also had friends who couldn't get into the same schools that I was in. It could definitely be upsetting. I'm really glad that the resolution was nice and heartfelt. Rankless beings for the win!
2. Mission: Yozakura Family - Such a good chapter. If someone told me back in chapter one that I would be rooting for Kyoichiro, I would've laughed in their face. I'm super pumped to see next week's LCP, as this one was beautiful.
3. Witch Watch - Such a funny chapter, and Nico was super cute this chapter. I'm very interested to see more of Moi's feelings develop throughout the series, and I hope that we soon see the cat girl get worked into this cool group the author is building.
4. High School Family: Kokosei Kazoku - The sister being part of this shogi club is finally the first major development with her character that I'm enjoying. She was always my least-favorite character, but I'm really liking the humor with this shogi club thing.
5. Sakamoto Days - The end of this chapter was super hypeworthy. I can't wait to see Shin's shining new development as he consciously protects those he loves (and subconsciously tries to upgrade his rank lol).

The best of the rest:
6. Mashle - The end of that chapter had me in tears; the author always gives Mash the best chapter-ending lines. I'm glad we get to see some old villains getting some redemption battles out of this arc.
7. Undead Unluck - I still can't stand anything about Billy, but I was loving those Andy and Fuuko moments this chapter. I can't wait to see how Fuuko is going to try defeating Spring.
8. Me & Roboco - Yet another funny chapter as the best bros who may be totally different can still manage to find some common ground. Also, out of all of those topics, I'd have to side with Gorilla, especially on his choice of end girl in Nisekoi.
9. Ayakashi Triangle - The author really isn't taking their foot off the gas pedal in terms of the plot. It feels like major developments are being thrown as us left and right. I hope things slow down again pretty soon.
10. Blue Box - The chapter itself wasn't really bad per se, but everything else I read for the most part had a super strong chapter this week, so to the bottom this goes. I wonder how long the badminton tournament will last?
11. PPPPPP - There are elements to this story that could make it pretty interesting, but the art and way the author is straightforwardly moving through the motions of the plot it pretty amateurish. I think this is going to flop pretty quickly if it doesn't strike the right chord ASAP.

 

[Cerclox]

Spoiler: Black Clover vol 30

 

[galaxy-juice]

Yozakura and Magu both had standout chapters this week. It's been a long time since Magu really evoked an emotional reaction from me. Looking forward to the cover next week!

So around 160 k per volume? Graet! Almost as Black clover

Black Clover's circulation 12M for 28 volumes, or around 430K per volume.

Circulation is not equal to first-month sales.

did anyone bother with red hood characters being meta??? Out of nowhere, multiple character had same quirk dialogue. cindy-mayor, and now velou and his fellow (bonkers).. Its super cheap, and lazy, IMO.
i dont mind if you go there, meta-narrative, 4th wall, etc.
for example, in this issue, we also get sakamoto days being meta, with his villian and its story today. but its made perfect sense, because: The villian is crazy dude that are manga-nerd, in his introduction we immidietly see him read manga and comment on it. Now when the narrative demand it, its made sense. the situation, the characterization, the overall story- its all lined up.
UU, also had arc surround/about this. The mentor-obsessive mangaka who had knowledge all events (pass-future), then the villian had power to turn people into book and obsessed with reading it (demand great story). All being build up since the beginning, being set up well too before going all out meta.

so for SD and UU we had only selected characters and inside the arc-story that relevant, we can get meta-narrative. Compare to RH, its any character in any arc (so far) always talk like this. why tho?? is it to sound cool?? smart???
last thing, after TPGW (made sense), I tell C (almost made sense), Is it SIGN????? axed manga tend to become meta?
IMO.!!!

I think the line "if your life is a story, you can always write another chapter" is pretty common and not necessarily all that meta.

Even Bonkers line "if I was in a story, I'd be an extra that gets in the way of the protagonist" isn't really accurate since he's someone who is helping the protagonist. It isn't my favorite kind of dialogue but it definitely isn't in the same category as Cindy-Mayor or the other series you mention.

But I wouldn't be surprised if axed manga tend to become meta because the authors don't have a reason to maintain the integrity of their world anymore.

 

[James Rye]

Nice to finally see some numbers for UU but these are definitely worldwide or includes digital, 1.3 million looks too off compared to the physical volume sales.

That's probably the case but I am still glad they got over a million which is nice. Who knows, if they get an anime then the physical volume sales might pick up as well.

As for the new Issue, anyone else having a problem with the "visuals" of P6? I ain't talking art, I'm talking about how we get "shown" stuff and not "told". Like in Act-Age we had often close-up to the eyes or background changing, shivers of characters, etc and etc to show "what" was so special about the acting scene/acting ability. In P6 ch.2 we had the teacher asking for 3 piano pieces and only reacting to the 3rd one, yet all 3 looked and "sounded" the same to me because there was no change in-between them. Like some distorted music notes for the first two would have been enough for me to "see" that he plays badly while for the third his music notes are either correct or even sophisticated to show how different his third piece was. Instead we get told that the first two were unbearable and that the teacher was only able to enter the third piece thus us was "amazing".
Like in AA ch.2 we had a similar situation where Yonagi had to act as first time cooking for her father for an advertisement. What did she do? She cooked like a pro because she can and got called out on that. Then she admitted of the problem of not remembering any time she cooked for her dad which made scruffy give her the advise that this is about her love not the actual cooking for her father itself. And this gave us Kei's realization panel, her short flashback, her suddenly clumsy cooking, her taste-testing with the bubbles in the background and everyone being taken aback by her acting, even the ones who badmouthed her before. We see the change here and with P6 we saw nothing alike with those 3 music pieces.

If not music notes or background changes they could have even used the teacher himself by saying that he is super sensitive to music so he would see like two terrible images or feel sick listening to the first two pieces and then all changes with the 3rd song. Instead the other siblings pop up and repeat their question and that's it.
I dunno but I feel like for emotional stuff visualization is really important, moreso for a manga theme that is based on hearing which you cannot print into paper. You gotta "see" the differences between the pieces to "feel" them not just be "told" by someone else which ones were bad or good.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Preview of Shonen Jump #44 (HQ)

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