Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

yes wahl is, if he cant convert it.
that is basically the difference between normal machina and wahl (other than the huge mp) that he converts lightning and thus becomes immune to it. if he cant covert it, then he is super weak to it. red lightning

But he can convert lightning.

because its still lightning. if laxus had said red crap i would have agreed with you.
no its not.
1. wahl weakness is being ignored
2. pof is being ignored
3. wahl having mental breakdown is being ignored
give all this to erza and she one shots aconologia

You can give Erza dragon slaying magic and POF, and have Acnologia literally split his mind from his body, and Erza is still not scratching Acno.

Nobody in the series actually hits hard enough to beat Acno in dragon form. Igneel can only take an arm.

He's also immune to magic, with like the sole exception of Fairy Sphere.

You think Jacob couldn't have clapped his hands when Natsu was flying at him?

Do not underestimate Jacob's incompetence. The heat from Natsu entering FDK mode was enough to cause Jacob to shrivel up, so no.

 

[WoWfan]

He had to be motion sick for FS to work, otherwise he still breaks through it.

@Seven777 well Jacob was punched hard through the air which makes it hard to move, so that provided Natsu the time to beat him when he can’t protect himself.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Jacob would be really one-shotted by Natsu Fire Dragon King Mode. I think he would start being damaged by the heat and undo his invisibility and k.o.
His personality is a bad thing, he is the weakest Spriggan for me since Neinhart defeated Erza and even if Neinhart's body is "made of paper", he could hide while his Historias would fight for him.

 

[Axiomus]

Motion sickness doesn't take away Acnologia's immunity to magic. It just makes him sick. Acno was motion sick and was still cracking Fairy Sphere, but that's because Fairy Sphere was only using the power of the Fairy Tail members at Hargeon. Meredy linked everyone on the continent together and made the spell stronger. That's what it takes to have magic work on Acno. You need literally everyone on the continent working together, casting something like Fairy Sphere.

Jacob was shriveling up in pain from just being near FDK flames. He wasn't about to clap or block even if he was standing on solid ground.

 

[WoWfan]

actually it does since Phantom Lord Arc https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628438/8, yet he could not break the sphere with a breath attack when there were fewer members on Tenrou and yet he cracked it while severly weakened with MS, that is the thing. Jacob is not a sponge, he was clapping his hands before he was punched which Happy got in the way, the only way he couldn't then was that didn't recover his balance and was hit too hard. it is a thing that can happen. like here from bleachhttps://v2.mangapark.net/manga/bleach/i1384605/11

Jacob would be really one-shotted by Natsu Fire Dragon King Mode. I think he would start being damaged by the heat and undo his invisibility and k.o.
His personality is a bad thing, he is the weakest Spriggan for me since Neinhart defeated Erza and even if Neinhart's body is "made of paper", he could hide while his Historias would fight for him.

not under normal circumstances sure, unsure about undoing his invisibility, his personality is only bad when women are indecent in front of him.

 

[Axiomus]

actually it does since Phantom Lord Arc https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628438/8, yet he could not break the sphere with a breath attack when there were fewer members on Tenrou and yet he cracked it while severly weakened with MS, that is the thing. Jacob is not a sponge, he was clapping his hands before he was punched which Happy got in the way, the only way he couldn't then was that didn't recover his balance and was hit too hard. it is a thing that can happen. like here from bleachhttps://v2.mangapark.net/manga/bleach/i1384605/11

not under normal circumstances sure, unsure about undoing his invisibility, his personality is only bad when women are indecent in front of him.

Acno is not Natsu. He's literally saying that magic doesn't effect him while he's still on the boat. It wasn't until Meredy linked everyone that Acno actually felt Fairy Sphere's effects.

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Acno we never actually see Acnologia's roar hit Fairy Sphere. What Fairy Sphere did there was remove everyone from time and space for 7 years. For all we know, Acno just vaporized the water and some of the bedrock under it. Even if he did hit Fairy Sphere, that doesn't really change anything. It's defending everyone inside the sphere from one of his attacks, not acting on Acnologia's body.

Shriveling up is a figure of speech. It's what people do when they're faced with pain. Jacob was already screaming in pain from the heat. Being on land wouldn't have changed anything.

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Not sure what your Bleach reference is trying to prove. You don't need balance to clap. I can clap my hands in free-fall jumping out of an airplane. You just need the strength to force your hands together. And if Makarov's punch is exerting so much air pressure that Jacob couldn't force his hands together, then that just means Jacob is weak lol. Anybody who scales to base Natsu in strength is strong enough to just catch Makarov's punch and throw him back.

 

[WoWfan]

if magic doesn’t work on him then he would have instantly broken free, the only reason he couldn’t is that he was still afflicted by motion sickness, no different Post Meredy’s magic. That is an assumption as FS was stated explicitly stated that it is what protected them from the blast, the drawback was that is leaves those inside in a suspended state. It does act on Acno’s body as it puts him in a suspended state, which the MS was necessary to do that. It would as he would be able to protect himself, yes you would if you are if you are thrown against incredible air pressure, does not mean he was weak if Makarov sent Natsu to finish him off when he can’t fight back in that state, lol. Spriggans have proven to be able to fight against base Natsu and above.

 

[Hexbend]

if magic doesn’t work on him then he would have instantly broken free, the only reason he couldn’t is that he was still afflicted by motion sickness, no different Post Meredy’s magic. That is an assumption as FS was stated explicitly stated that it is what protected them from the blast, the drawback was that is leaves those inside in a suspended state. It does act on Acno’s body as it puts him in a suspended state, which the MS was necessary to do that. It would as he would be able to protect himself, yes you would if you are if you are thrown against incredible air pressure, does not mean he was weak if Makarov sent Natsu to finish him off when he can’t fight back in that state, lol. Spriggans have proven to be able to fight against base Natsu and above.

Magic does work on him if strong enough, he's only resistant not immune

 

[WoWfan]

Magic does work on him if strong enough, he's only resistant not immune

Magic only affects him if it is not magic without any unconventional means, just like how flames work on Natsu it they ceases to be flames, such as reaching the temperatures to affect time, which is absolute hot, so it has to be something equivalent to that or flames that are prefix to bypass the immunity.

 

[Hexbend]

Magic only affects him if it is not magic without any unconventional means, just like how flames work on Natsu it they ceases to be flames, such as reaching the temperatures to affect time, which is absolute hot, so it has to be something equivalent to that or flames that are prefix to bypass the immunity.

It just needs to be leagues stronger then their resistance as shown

 

[WoWfan]

It just needs to be leagues stronger then their resistance as shown

That is the thing, it has to be in a league that no longer register as what it was

 

[Hexbend]

That is the thing, it has to be in a league that no longer register as what it was

Your kinda overcomplicating it tbh

 

[Axiomus]

No, Acnologia smashing out of Fairy Sphere has nothing to do with his magic immunity. That's a strength feat. His immunity makes him immune to magical effects on his body. In this case, that would be Fairy Sphere's magic trying to put him in suspended animation. He was immune to that, even while being motion sick on the boat. It was only when Meredy linked the continent to Lucy that Fairy Sphere became powerful enough to effect Acno.

No it does mean Jacob is weak. Makarov threw Natsu fast enough to catch up to Jacob. Whatever air pressure Jacob was feeling, was also felt by Natsu.

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Magic does work on him if strong enough, he's only resistant not immune

This is correct. Though the difference between resistance and immunity isnt important when nobody is actually strong enough to overcome the resistance.

 

[WoWfan]

He smashed out of nothing, the sphere was still intact, just cracked, Which is what protected FT back then, which he can eat that spell in not time, he can’t because he is MS, it was stated they did not have enough power for that which affected the FS, that is why Meredy helped out. It means that Jacob is strong, Throwing someone in a controlled environment vs punching someone with the intent to not allow him to find balance are two different things.

Your kinda overcomplicating it tbh

It is not really that complicated, the only way a Slayer’s ”resistance” is overcome is when something they are affiliated with is not really that element anymore, hence absolute hot which is the point where it is not really heat anymore and when physics breaks down, like what Natsu did with FH Zeref

 

[Hexbend]

It is not really that complicated, the only way a Slayer’s ”resistance” is overcome is when something they are affiliated with is not really that element anymore, hence absolute hot which is the point where it is not really heat anymore and when physics breaks down, like what Natsu did with FH Zeref

That's basically head canon territory at that point, and going for the overcomplicated version of stronger then resistance

 

[Axiomus]

Naw. Slayers aren't immune to their element at all. They just have resistance, which gets better the stronger they get, but they all have limits.

Wendy and Chelia aren't immune to each other's attacks.
Gray wasn't immune to Invel's ice.
Zancrow wasn't immune to Natsu's finisher.
Natsu wasn't immune to Ignia's fire.

Acno just happens to be at the level where he can no-sell magical attacks from Igneel, which just about puts everything else out of the question.

 

[WoWfan]

correction, Wendy had her enchantments which is something Chelia does not resist, Invel’s ice is stated to bypass Gray’s Ice immunity, Natsu had God Flames which bypasses Zancrow’s Fire immunity, Ignia’s fire is special type of fire. Acno was hurt by physical attacks of Igneel because he is a dragon.

That's basically head canon territory at that point, and going for the overcomplicated version of stronger then resistance

It’s not head canon, he managed to affect time itself, that is literally what Absolute Hot (or Planck Temperature) is at that point, affecting space and time.

 

[Hexbend]

correction, Wendy had her enchantments which is something Chelia does not resist, Invel’s ice is stated to bypass Gray’s Ice immunity, Natsu had God Flames which bypasses Zancrow’s Fire immunity, Ignia’s fire is special type of fire. Acno was hurt by physical attacks of Igneel because he is a dragon.


It’s not head canon, he managed to affect time itself, that is literally what Absolute Heat is at that point, affecting space and time.

There's a limit to how much we can add science to a fictional series in these types of debates, but like I said and Ax pointed out they're just resistant and not immune. There's already enough proof of this through the series, and Natsu burning himself with his fire is already enough proof.

 

[WoWfan]

There's a limit to how much we can add science to a fictional series in these types of debates, but like I said and Ax pointed out they're just resistant and not immune. There's already enough proof of this through the series, and Natsu burning himself with his fire is already enough proof.

There is no real limit when it is stated that Magic and nature are indisinguisable From each other, resistance is basically a non fact when there is basically no elements that can hurt them without it being special or goes beyond what is logically capable of, Which at that point is not really heat/fire since that is logically the limit of absolute hot in the universe where it starts to affect space and time.

 

[Hexbend]

There is no real limit when it is stated that Magic and nature are indisinguisable From each other, resistance is basically a non fact when there is basically no elements that can hurt them without it being special or goes beyond what is logically capable of, Which at that point is not really heat/fire since that is logically the limit of absolute hot in the universe where it starts to affect space and time.

It's still fire magic at the end of the day, showing they have a limit. Whatever it's capable of doesn't really change it's properties, unless stated otherwise