Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

It's still fire magic at the end of the day, showing they have a limit. Whatever it's capable of doesn't really change it's properties, unless stated otherwise

right, Just like what it is stated that pure heat alone is what it can warp time, just like absolute hot is stated to do.

 

[Hexbend]

right, Just like what it is stated that pure heat alone is what it can warp time, just like absolute hot is stated to do.

and you know that Natsu is also resistant to heat....like your entire point is just an overcomplicated

 

[WoWfan]

and you know that Natsu is also resistant to heat....like your entire point is just an overcomplicated

It is only exceeded when he reached absolute hot temperature, which then stops being heat, it is actually a simplification.

 

[Hexbend]

It is only exceeded when he reached absolute hot temperature, which then stops being heat, it is actually a simplification.

no natsu's ability to burn magic or his magic in general and it's affects don't change and still doesn't prove he's immune to fire magic.

 

[WoWfan]

no natsu's ability to burn magic or his magic in general and it's affects don't change and still doesn't prove he's immune to fire magic.

He burned time itself which is part of the fabric of reality, it’s capabilities do change with temperature because every set of temperature has their own affect on certain things, boiling point of water, melting point of ice, fusion reaction, warping space & time, etc..

 

[Hexbend]

He burned time itself which is part of the fabric of reality, it’s capabilities do change with temperature because every set of temperature has their own affect on certain things, boiling point of water, melting point of ice, fusion reaction, warping space & time, etc..

And that doesn't disprove my point about slayer resistances. Your asking for a NLF if you keep on anyway

 

[WoWfan]

And that doesn't disprove my point about slayer resistances. Your asking for a NLF if you keep on anyway

It does disprove though, because there is no fire hot enough conventionally to overcome Natsu’s heat resistance without any special features and/or going over absolute hot temperature. That is not a NLF when it is established the limit shown to be the case.

 

[Hexbend]

It does disprove though, because there is no fire hot enough conventionally to overcome Natsu’s heat resistance without any special features and/or going over absolute hot temperature. That is not a NLF when it is established to be the case.

It doesn't, as Ignia's flames were hot enough, Invel/Hakune was cold enough to bypass Gray's resistance, Acno's deal with FS, and so on.

Also Natsu's flames aren't absolute heat, his flames just have the property to burn magic, as shown many times. Saying he has absolute heat means he's dealing with levels of power that would make them be major outliers in terms of power.

 

[WoWfan]

It doesn't, as Ignia's flames were hot enough, Invel/Hakune was cold enough to bypass Gray's resistance, Acno's deal with FS, and so on.

Also Natsu's flames aren't absolute heat, his flames just have the property to burn magic, as shown many times. Saying he has absolute heat means he's dealing with levels of power that would make them be major outliers in terms of power.

Correction, they are their own flames as he said, Invel’s ice is special too as it bypasses Gray’s ice immunity, not exceeding his limits. Acno can break of FS, he was just motion sick which nullifies his immunity, Zeref said time itself as in the fabric of time, which is basically no different anyway, his flames are absolute hot to affect time itself, besides, magic and nature are no different, not really as they are not that massive when compared to other heavy hitters in the series.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

So with Erza’s statement about Suzaku being “powerful beyond reason”, is it really safe to say that power creep has been established? Erza out of all people has fought 1 out of the 2 strongest spriggans. Also, it’s in line with Suzaku being stronger than Human DGs.

I guess anyone who manages to defeat a BDSK 1v1 has been officially struck with power creep.

 

[Hexbend]

Correction, they are their own flames as he said, Invel’s ice is special too as it bypasses Gray’s ice immunity, not exceeding his limits. Acno can break of FS, he was just motion sick which nullifies his immunity, Zeref said time itself as in the fabric of time, which is basically no different anyway, his flames are absolute hot to affect time itself, besides, magic and nature are no different, not really as they are not that massive when compared to other heavy hitters in the series.

Which Ignia boosted to that level or do you think that Ignia Natsu has stronger flames then Ignia himself? Headcanon on the Invel part and hakune's situation is still there, motion sickness doesn't nullify DS resistance unless it was stated somewhere and Acno was breaking out but he was affected nonetheless.

What happened can legit just be a special hax for Natsu and that's it. Accepting it at face value and your asking for outlier, considering the best feats and scaling the God tiers get is multi-continental and maybe higher if you push it.

 

[WoWfan]

Well even statements like that can be iffy when you have yet to go full power against an enemy like that, even with aid, Erza couldn’t really win against one of the strongest Spriggans

Which Ignia boosted to that level or do you think that Ignia Natsu has stronger flames then Ignia himself? Headcanon on the Invel part and hakune's situation is still there, motion sickness doesn't nullify DS resistance unless it was stated somewhere and Acno was breaking out but he was affected nonetheless.

What happened can legit just be a special hax for Natsu and that's it. Accepting it at face value and your asking for outlier, considering the best feats and scaling the God tiers get is multi-continental and maybe higher if you push it.

Ignia barely gave him DG level power since Merc was not at full power either, again he said his flames are special since his affinity is bad against water.Not head cannon since it is stated for Invel, Hakune uses spirit arts and hax which is common against slayers for their elements to affect them, it does, stated since Phantom Lord Arc. I posted that a while ago, Acno was still motion sick so his’ affects are not full power yet. There is no special hax for Natsu’s flames other than being able to increase his heat with emotions. Base Zeref is even Multi-Continent since he scales to the Phoenix,FH Zeref would be universe level with Neo Eclipse.

 

[GL_Nova]

So with Erza’s statement about Suzaku being “powerful beyond reason”, is it really safe to say that power creep has been established? Erza out of all people has fought 1 out of the 2 strongest spriggans. Also, it’s in line with Suzaku being stronger than Human DGs.

I guess anyone who manages to defeat a BDSK 1v1 has been officially struck with power creep.

It just proves what we’ve been arguing. The Spriggan are no longer truly relevant power wise, which matches what we’ve seen throughout the series. The heroes grow to surpass what they faced the arc before as a unit. Hence how Elfman and the rest are still relevant power wise when realistically the S class has reached the level the top Spriggan were operating on. An now they stand to level up yet again.

 

[WoWfan]

Spriggans are still relevent considering that one of them with their power combined with DSM would be able to match a slightly weakened DG Dragon form

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

It just proves what we’ve been arguing. The Spriggan are no longer truly relevant power wise, which matches what we’ve seen throughout the series. The heroes grow to surpass what they faced the arc before as a unit. Hence how Elfman and the rest are still relevant power wise when realistically the S class has reached the level the top Spriggan were operating on. An now they stand to level up yet again.

I’ve always viewed it as such, I just think it’s great that the story is hammering in more and more that these threads are like nothing they’ve ever faced before (obvious exception).

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Also means that people like gildarts are going to reason power ups. Probably why he is currently too strong for the setting. Guessing he is gonna fight the strongest BDSK, or Georg if he somehow gets reanimated or revived.

 

[WoWfan]

this is not something that hasn’t been down before in the series which ends the same way, and once again, Gildarts yes is to strong for the setting, though this would mean that Sabertooth would have more reason to return soon.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Team diablos about to get a couple more votes soon.

 

[WoWfan]

Without even doing anything, and here is the issue, Selene alone made one BDK quiver in fear, if they are going after another DG, what good would 3 more do?

 

[Hexbend]

Well even statements like that can be iffy when you have yet to go full power against an enemy like that, even with aid, Erza couldn’t really win against one of the strongest Spriggans


Ignia barely gave him DG level power since Merc was not at full power either, again he said his flames are special since his affinity is bad against water.Not head cannon since it is stated for Invel, Hakune uses spirit arts and hax which is common against slayers for their elements to affect them, it does, stated since Phantom Lord Arc. I posted that a while ago, Acno was still motion sick so his’ affects are not full power yet. There is no special hax for Natsu’s flames other than being able to increase his heat with emotions. Base Zeref is even Multi-Continent since he scales to the Phoenix,FH Zeref would be universe level with Neo Eclipse.

So you agree that Ignia can burn Natsu? His flames being special which we have no idea how special, means nothing. Since Natsu was still able to eat them, thus not making them the same as Zancrow's. Never was it stated that Invel's ice was special aaginst slayer resistance only that he can freeze ice which again just means he's stronger/colder then Gray's resistance. For Hakune, we literally see Hakune say Gray's DS halved the effect, you can't half immunity unless it's resistance. You posted a scan of Acno being motion sick not anything stating that motion sickness leads to resistance lowered, again even more proof that it ain't immunity since you can't lower immunity, but you can resistance.
Wrong as we see Natsu grows stronger the more magic he's able to burn, and he was built to kill Zeref, so using headcanon like you, nothing says his time burning fire isn't hax.

B.Zeref scaling to Phoenix is iffy, but that's besides the point as that will still make Natsu's absolute heat an outlier. Zeref with Neo wouldn't even scale to anyone in the first place. So again Natsu having that level of power by himself would be an outlier unless it's hax, which makes more sense.

 

[WoWfan]

So you agree that Ignia can burn Natsu? His flames being special which we have no idea how special, means nothing. Since Natsu was still able to eat them, thus not making them the same as Zancrow's. Never was it stated that Invel's ice was special aaginst slayer resistance only that he can freeze ice which again just means he's stronger/colder then Gray's resistance. For Hakune, we literally see Hakune say Gray's DS halved the effect, you can't half immunity unless it's resistance. You posted a scan of Acno being motion sick not anything stating that motion sickness leads to resistance lowered, again even more proof that it ain't immunity since you can't lower immunity, but you can resistance.
Wrong as we see Natsu grows stronger the more magic he's able to burn, and he was built to kill Zeref, so using headcanon like you, nothing says his time burning fire isn't hax.

B.Zeref scaling to Phoenix is iffy, but that's besides the point as that will still make Natsu's absolute heat an outlier. Zeref with Neo wouldn't even scale to anyone in the first place. So again Natsu having that level of power by himself would be an outlier unless it's hax, which makes more sense.

Ignia being able to burn Natsu in the sense that they are special flames such as burning when regular flames can’t burn with water, nothing suggests that he couldn’t eat them, yet he could not eat god Flames normally Because the latter is prefix to be a level above dragon flames. Yes it was as Invel said, even with Ice Immunity, his armor will freeze him, so it is special in bypassing Gray’s slayer advantage, well of course, but that still does not negate the hax, just like how Slayers do not negate the hax of various elements that they encounter, hax =/= elements. I did, or in case you missed it https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628438/8 yes you can lower immunity as it would become resistance totally lose your immunity all together. No, that is wrong as stated his flames become more intense the more he is emotional, burning magic or whatever has nothing to do with it since it is no different than any other magic that affects any other magic, correction, his demon side is what was built to kill him via curse power. How is that iffy? Doesn’t make it an outlier as it basically close to the level of planet wiping the Phoenix can do, actually it would with FH Mavis where she basically rewrites reality, and considered it requires energy to do so it makes sense because multiverse, creating new universes and such.