Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Kenneth Latorre]

I admire you @Hexbend for having the will to keep arguing with someone who holds a false dilemma.

 

[WoWfan]

funny why you would be talking about someone else.

 

[Seven777]

Wendy's secret art hurt Chelia, Jackals bombs K.O'd Natsu. Slayers have only ever been resistant to their element, it's the ability to eat it that gives them their true immunity. Outside that, they can be hurt just fine.

 

[WoWfan]

Wendy's secret art hurt Chelia, Jackals bombs K.O'd Natsu. Slayers have only ever been resistant to their element, it's the ability to eat it that gives them their true immunity. Outside that, they can be hurt just fine.

Wendy had enchantments powering her, Jackal turned Natsu into a bomb, those are side stepping their immunities.

 

[Seven777]

Wendy had enchantments powering her, Jackal turned Natsu into a bomb, those are side stepping their immunities.

So and so? Why would boosting herself mean her Wind can suddenly now sidestep immunity? She's been using Vernies forever and this is never mentioned. As for the bombs, they're fire, Natsu can eat it, they still took him out.

 

[WoWfan]

So and so? Why would boosting herself mean her Wind can suddenly now sidestep immunity? She's been using Vernies forever and this is never mentioned. As for the bombs, they're fire, Natsu can eat it, they still took him out.

Because it is basically having magic other than wind being applied to her attacks which makes her able to hurt Chelia, yet they have their own magic to them, why would it require mentioning other magics being affective against a slayer who only has one type of immunity to begin with, it is like stating “I can shock Natsu with lightning, that is how I can overcome his heat immunity“ we already know he doesn’t have immunity to that back then despite lightning having heat to them, Natsu can’t be immune to something that he is transformed into, only resist them, which is why he had to put the explosion in his mouth.

 

[Seven777]

Because it is basically having magic other than wind being applied to her attacks which makes her able to hurt Chelia, yet they have their own magic to them, why would it require mentioning other magics being affective against a slayer who only has one type of immunity to begin with, it is like srating, I can shock Natsu with lightning, that is how I can overcome his heat immunity, we already know he doesn’t have immunity to that back then despite lightning having heat to them, Natsu can’t be immune to something that he is transformed into, only resist them, which is why he had to put the explosion in his mouth.

Except your claim that enchantment is having other magic applied to her attacks is something you've made up too. You dont know thats how it works, in fact more than likely it functions how her other enchantments functions and it boosts Wendy herself, not her Wind. It increases her magic power, it increases her speed, it increases her defense, etc. They're also sky dragon enchantments, which means Chelia is immune to them too.
Oh and Natsu can be immune to something he transformed into, because he can eat something he's transformed into, he simply isn't because slayers aren't immune to their element. Prime example of this? Acno died to his element.

 

[WoWfan]

Except your claim that enchantment is having other magic applied to her attacks is something you've made up too. You dont know thats how it works, in fact more than likely it functions how her other enchantments functions and it boosts Wendy herself, not her Wind. It increases her magic power, it increases her speed, it increases her defense, etc.
Oh and Natsu can be immune to something he transformed into, because he can eat something he's transformed into, he simply isn't because slayers aren't immune to their element. Prime example of this? Acno died to his element.

It ls magic of it’s own, magic power is constant, it increases/changes the attributes, like turning a stick into harder than steel, but the magic is still there, so it is something that Chelia is not immune to, further proof? Wendy used her recovery magic on Chelia negatively, yet he was downed by the same small explosion at the end of the fight with Jackal which is the same as before, yet he was unaffected by larger explosions before that, he doesn’t become immune to them, just withstood them, Acno died because he was motion sick which cancels his immunity and was killed by Dragonized Natsu.

 

[Seven777]

It ls magic of it’s own, magic power is constant, it increases/changes the attributes, like turning a stick into harder than steel, but the magic is still there, so it is something that Chelia is not immune to, further proof? Wendy used her recovery magic on Chelia negatively, yet he was downed by the same small explosion at the end of the fight with Jackal which is the same as before, yet he was unaffected by larger explosions before that, he doesn’t become immune to them, just withstood them, Acno died because he was motion sick which cancels his immunity and was killed by Dragonized Natsu.

All that in your first sentence? You made up. Why would Wendy using her recovery magic on Chelia prove anything? If anything it proves my point. Her recovery magic, her original enchantments, they're all Sky magic, which means Chelia should be immune to it, because she's a Sky God Slayer, but she isn't, because Slayers aren't immune, just resistant.

Yeah, exactly, which only further illustrates my point. When Natsu was eating Jackals big attacks they couldn't hurt him, but when he wasn't they could hurt him. Slayer immunity clearly comes from their ability to eat magic, their body on it's own is only resistant.
Why would motion sickness cancel immunity lmao? Where did you get that from?

 

[Axiomus]

He smashed out of nothing, the sphere was still intact, just cracked, Which is what protected FT back then, which he can eat that spell in not time, he can’t because he is MS, it was stated they did not have enough power for that which affected the FS, that is why Meredy helped out. It means that Jacob is strong, Throwing someone in a controlled environment vs punching someone with the intent to not allow him to find balance are two different things.

Acno doesn't have the ability to dispel magic just by touching it. Otherwise Igneel's roar would have just gone poof instead of pushing him down into the ground, and Jellal's meteor would have just gone poof. He can't just touch Fairy Sphere to dispell it. That's not what his immunity does. His immunity just stops Fairy Sphere from putting him in stasis. His motion sickness has no effect on his immunity against magic. He was immune to Fairy Sphere's effects despite the fact that he was on a boat.

Yeah, doesn't matter. Balance doesn't affect your ability to clap. You can jump out of an airplane and be in free-fall and still clap. You're claiming that air pressure stops Jacob from clapping. That makes him weak. Natsu is under the same amount of air pressure as Jacob is because he is moving through the air just as fast as he is. It

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correction, Wendy had her enchantments which is something Chelia does not resist, Invel’s ice is stated to bypass Gray’s Ice immunity, Natsu had God Flames which bypasses Zancrow’s Fire immunity, Ignia’s fire is special type of fire. Acno was hurt by physical attacks of Igneel because he is a dragon.e.

Wendy cut Chelia with her wind. No enchantment. No hax. Wendy simply makes Chelia bleed with her attack.

Spoiler

Natsu's god flames were Zancrow's flames. Zancrow is obviously immune to god flames because he covers himself with it. What took Zancrow out was simply the fact that the attack Natsu used was too strong. Invel's ice was just cold enough to freeze over Gray's resistance.

 

[grey matter]

So with Erza’s statement about Suzaku being “powerful beyond reason”, is it really safe to say that power creep has been established? Erza out of all people has fought 1 out of the 2 strongest spriggans. Also, it’s in line with Suzaku being stronger than Human DGs.

I guess anyone who manages to defeat a BDSK 1v1 has been officially struck with power creep.

It just proves what we’ve been arguing. The Spriggan are no longer truly relevant power wise, which matches what we’ve seen throughout the series. The heroes grow to surpass what they faced the arc before as a unit. Hence how Elfman and the rest are still relevant power wise when realistically the S class has reached the level the top Spriggan were operating on. An now they stand to level up yet again.

Haven't read the chapter (taking a break from FT), but that's merely confirming what we already knew, AGAIN!

Doesn't matter though, Spriggan wankers will never accept the power creep, they'll just come up with new excuses. It's a complete waste of time arguing with them

Team diablos about to get a couple more votes soon.

Who?

 

[WoWfan]

yes he does, by eating it, magic doesn’t work on him, dragon physical attacks do, eatthe meteor, eat the FS, Motion Sickness, yes it does since PL, ignoring facts. Yeah it does, it does since air pressure can make you unable to properly move, free falling and getting hit by an object are two different things again, again, Jacob scales to other Spriggan as Natsu was about to be owned by the “weakest” Ajeel at the beginning and even made him nervous by their magic power alone, even frozen over by Invel when he was using FDKF, Natsu not affected by a controlled environment, Wendy cutting under same enchantment doesn’t just fade away until stated, plus visuals change multiple times, but still the same thing, Natsu’s God Flames do affect Zancrow because they were directed against him, they were not Zancrow’s own flames, but Natsu’s, Invel’s Ice is hax as he stated in spite of Fray’s Ice immunity he will freeze, he doesn’t say it surpasses him

All that in your first sentence? You made up. Why would Wendy using her recovery magic on Chelia prove anything? If anything it proves my point. Her recovery magic, her original enchantments, they're all Sky magic, which means Chelia should be immune to it, because she's a Sky God Slayer, but she isn't, because Slayers aren't immune, just resistant.

Yeah, exactly, which only further illustrates my point. When Natsu was eating Jackals big attacks they couldn't hurt him, but when he wasn't they could hurt him. Slayer immunity clearly comes from their ability to eat magic, their body on it's own is only resistant.
Why would motion sickness cancel immunity lmao? Where did you get that from?

made what up, Irene stated this before she was a DS? How does it prove your point? It proves that any magic can affect slayers besides their element, and since she has enchantments it still affects her. Enchantments are not sky magic, as Irene can use them too and she was not a sky dragon slayer. That only proves my point big attacks don’y hurt him but small explosions when he transformed into bombs do, guess that means Natsu is weak then, eating magic is not suppose to weaken Them but clearly that is the case her by your point. It is from Phantom Lord arc, posted the link couple times already.

 

[Hexbend]

I admire you @Hexbend for having the will to keep arguing with someone who holds a false dilemma.

My patience has run dry got better things to do

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

Who?

the poll. People are gonna vote for diablos more. 2 More votes since I posted that comment.

 

[WoWfan]

jeez the hype is well above normal at this point forgetting what happened in the past.

 

[Seven777]

made what up, Irene stated this before she was a DS? How does it prove your point? It proves that any magic can affect slayers besides their element, and since she has enchantments it still affects her. Enchantments are not sky magic, as Irene can use them too and she was not a sky dragon slayer. That only proves my point big attacks don’y hurt him but small explosions when he transformed into bombs do, guess that means Natsu is weak then, eating magic is not suppose to weaken Them but clearly that is the case her by your point. It is from Phantom Lord arc, posted the link couple times already.

That Arms adds some sort of extra trait to Wendy's magic rather than just boosting it, and that that trait means it bypasses immunity or something, it's all completely made up.
I didn't say enchantment is Sky Dragon slaying magic, I said Arms and Vernier are Sky Dragon Slaying magic, which they are, Wendy's recovery magic too. All of this affected Chelia..
Big attacks didn't hurt Natsu because he ate it, when he ate the small attacks they didn't hurt him either. This confirms slayers need to eat the magic to be immune.

Post it then and explain how it proves your point.

 

[WoWfan]

That Arms adds some sort of extra trait to Wendy's magic rather than just boosting it, and that that trait means it bypasses immunity or something, it's all completely made up.
I didn't say enchantment is Sky Dragon slaying magic, I said Arms and Vernier are Sky Dragon Slaying magic, which they are, Wendy's recovery magic too. All of this affected Chelia..
Big attacks didn't hurt Natsu because he ate it, when he ate the small attacks they didn't hurt him either. This confirms slayers need to eat the magic to be immune.

Post it then and explain how it proves your point.

It is not made up, it is basically a magic that a Sky God Slayer is not immune to since it is not air, otherwise Lightning would not be able to harm Natsu since it has heat too, Arms and Vernier and recovery are still enchantments which anyone who knows enchantments can do not just Wendy. He ate them to nullify them so the others would not get hurt, not because they add power, they clearly affect him just to reduce the damage, here, https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628438/8 it is stated and shown clear as day that MS nulls Immunity

 

[Seven777]

It is not made up, it is basically a magic that a Sky God Slayer is not immune to since it is not air, otherwise Lightning would not be able to harm Natsu since it has heat too, Arms and Vernier and recovery are still enchantments which anyone who knows enchantments can do not just Wendy. He ate them to nullify them so the others would not get hurt, not because they add power, they clearly affect him just to reduce the damage, here, https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628438/8 it is stated and shown clear as day that MS nulls Immunity

Chelia's element isn't air, it's Sky.
Whether or not Recovery, Arms and Vernier are enchantments too is irrelevant, it doesn't take away from the fact that they are Sky Dragon Slayer magic.
He ate them because that's what Natsu does whenever there is fire around. When he eats the explosions it doesn't hurt him, when he doesn't it does, thus proving my point.

Oh, and that page you linked? Yeah, it proves my point once again, without the ability to eat magic Natsu isn't immune, Totomaru says pretty much exactly that in the page you linked lmao.

 

[WoWfan]

Chelia's element isn't air, it's Sky.
Whether or not Recovery, Arms and Vernier are enchantments too is irrelevant, it doesn't take away from the fact that they are Sky Dragon Slayer magic.
He ate them because that's what Natsu does whenever there is fire around. When he eats the explosions it doesn't hurt him, when he doesn't it does, thus proving my point.

Oh, and that page you linked? Yeah, it proves my point once again, without the ability to eat magic Natsu isn't immune, Totomaru says pretty much exactly that in the page you linked lmao.

Sky is a region of the atmosphere to outer space, her element is air hence she eats air https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628525/10, do you think it weird she doesn’t eat enchantments? No, that only proves that they are not from sky magic, just an applications of said magic. Correction, he eats them because it replenishes his power, if there is a special element, then that it a unique power up, that is how he uses it, even when his own magic is fired back at him at double power, even stated that the greater the Fire Magic's power the more dangerous to the target is, they didn't care how powerful Natsu was, said that it still would have hurt him, it does not hurt him at all even when he can’t eat it, Same with Silver, and even break free from Iced Shell without eating it. When he eats his explosion transformation, he reduces the damage, when he doesn’t he transforms still, thus proving my point of bypassing his immunity. Way to misread the page, it proves that MS negates elemental immunity Hence which is normal condition, so it has nothing to do with eating or not. also since chapter one it is stated that Dragon Slayer’s have transformed their bodies to mimic the properties of a fire dragon, such has dragon scales which dissolves fire.

 

[Seven777]

Sky is a region of the atmosphere to outer space, her element is air hence she eats air https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628525/10, do you think it weird she doesn’t eat enchantments? No, that only proves that they are not from sky magic, just an applications of said magic. Correction, he eats them because it replenishes his power, if there is a special element, then that it a unique power up, that is how he uses it, even when his own magic is fired back at him at double power, even stated that the greater the Fire Magic's power the more dangerous to the target is, they didn't care how powerful Natsu was, said that it still would have hurt him, it does not hurt him at all even when he can’t eat it, Same with Silver, and even break free from Iced Shell without eating it. When he eats his explosion transformation, he reduces the damage, when he doesn’t he transforms still, thus proving my point of bypassing his immunity. Way to misread the page, it proves that MS negates elemental immunity Hence which is normal condition, so it has nothing to do with eating or not. also since chapter one it is stated that Dragon Slayer’s have transformed their bodies to mimic the properties of a fire dragon, such has dragon scales which dissolves fire.

No, not at all, no more weird than Kyria not eating blades or Madmole not eating armor or Rogue not eating shadows.
Arms and Vernier are Sky magic, both have incantations referencing this, Carla outright says recovery is Sky magic too. Sky Magic affected Chelia, thus she is not immune.
That's not a correction, Natsu will eat fire for literally any reason, if he sees fire, he will eat it, he enjoys it.
They were simply too weak to hurt him. Oh and Ice Shell would've worked on Silver, both he and Gray knew it. Gray also stabs himself with an ordinary ice sword
Yes, exactly, when he eats the explosion it doesn't damage him, when he doesn't it does damage him, perfectly illustrating my point.

No, I read the page perfectly, it has everything to do with eating, read the whole chapter.

Spoiler

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628437/9

At no point does Totomaru see Natsu resist fire with just his body, he has no knowledge of whether or not Natsu is immune to flames, rather he specifically says that fire doesn't work on Natsu because he ate it, which means..... yep, you guessed it, Natsu's immunity comes from eating fire, just like I said.
Sure, he's resistant.