Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

No, not at all, no more weird than Kyria not eating blades or Madmole not eating armor or Rogue not eating shadows.
Arms and Vernier are Sky magic, both have incantations referencing this, Carla outright says recovery is Sky magic too. Sky Magic affected Chelia, thus she is not immune.
That's not a correction, Natsu will eat fire for literally any reason, if he sees fire, he will eat it, he enjoys it.
They were simply too weak to hurt him. Oh and Ice Shell would've worked on Silver, both he and Gray knew it. Gray also stabs himself with an ordinary ice sword
Yes, exactly, when he eats the explosion it doesn't damage him, when he doesn't it does damage him, perfectly illustrating my point.

No, I read the page perfectly, it has everything to do with eating, read the whole chapter.

Spoiler

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628437/9

At no point does Totomaru see Natsu resist fire with just his body, he has no knowledge of whether or not Natsu is immune to flames, rather he specifically says that fire doesn't work on Natsu because he ate it, which means..... yep, you guessed it, Natsu's immunity comes from eating fire, just like I said.
Sure, he's resistant.

Gajeel can eat shadows, why Rogue can’t who knows, Kyria and Madmole are just stupid, incantations mean little they have no literal meaning, it is called healing arts, just a branch of sky magic, Carla just said that Wendy is a the sky dragon slayer, nothing exclusive Or saying anything about it being air relate, even Tempester has healing capabilities, that is just being Natsu personality, that means little. That is head canon as it was stated that the flames are made stronger and they are more devast when done so. Gray did not know that and Silver disproved it as he managed to defeat it, Gray only stopped after his spell failed. Gray had no Devil Slayer magic active Then when he stabbed himself. Again you missed the ppint, bombs don’t affect him conventionally, but when he becomes a bomb, it does, it transmutes his body to become the explosion. You don’t seem to get the context of the page, Natsu is simply unaffected by fire regardless because of his immunity, he just likes to eat as you pointed out earlier, Natsu grabbed the fire first before eating it, he knows he is a dragon slayer so he knows his body is immune considering that they too have a dragon slayer in their guild, he did not even say Nstsu is immune because he ate it, that is head canon, thus his body resists it, he even touched Atlas’ body without eating it at first, https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628723/5

 

[Seven777]

Gajeel can eat shadows, why Rogue can’t who knows, Kyria and Madmole are just stupid, incantations mean little they have no literal meaning, it is called healing arts, just a branch of sky magic, Carla just said that Wendy is a the sky dragon slayer, nothing exclusive Or saying anything about it being air relate, even Tempester has healing capabilities, that is just being Natsu personality, that means little. That is head canon as it was stated that the flames are made stronger and they are more devast when done so. Gray did not know that and Silver disproved it as he managed to defeat it, Gray only stopped after his spell failed. Gray had no Devil Slayer magic active Then when he stabbed himself. Again you missed the ppint, bombs don’t affect him conventionally, but when he becomes a bomb, it does, it transmutes his body to become the explosion. You don’t seem to get the context of the page, Natsu is simply unaffected by fire regardless because of his immunity, he just likes to eat as you pointed out earlier, Natsu grabbed the fire first before eating it, he knows he is a dragon slayer so he knows his body is immune considering that they too have a dragon slayer in their guild, he did not even say Nstsu is immune because he ate it, that is head canon, thus his body resists it, he even touched Atlas’ body without eating it at first, https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628723/5

And? I could easily claim Chelia is stupid too.
Yeah, a branch of sky magic that Chelia isn't immune to, despite being a Sky slayer, proving my point. I don't see what Tempester has to do with anything.
What's headcanon? That Natsu likes to eat fire? No, it isn't.
Silver didn't manage to defeat it, Gray stopped. Even so, the fact that Silver had to defeat it in itself proves he's not immune, otherwise he could've just no-sold it, no worries, no dramas.
Gray is an ice DeS, and ice nearly killed him. He is still a DeS without his marks, he beat Invel with DeS magic without even using them.
Bombs dont affect him conventionally because he eats them, when he doesn't it hurt him, simple. The fact that the explosions happen on his body doesn't change anything, it just makes it harder to eat, which in itself proves my point.
I understand the context perfectly, and what Natsu likes is irrelevent, because Totomaru made his determination based on Natsu eating his fire, not on Natsu tanking it. Totomaru has no information regarding whether or not Natsu's body is immune to flames, all he knows is that fire doesn't work because Natsu can eat it. This in turn makes his later statement prove my point, Natsu can't eat while motion sick and if he cant eat, he's not immune, confirming Slayers can be affected by their element if they aren't eating it.
Yeah, Natsu is still resistant.

 

[WoWfan]

And? I could easily claim Chelia is stupid too.
Yeah, a branch of sky magic that Chelia isn't immune to, despite being a Sky slayer, proving my point. I don't see what Tempester has to do with anything.
What's headcanon? That Natsu likes to eat fire? No, it isn't.
Silver didn't manage to defeat it, Gray stopped. Even so, the fact that Silver had to defeat it in itself proves he's not immune, otherwise he could've just no-sold it, no worries, no dramas.
Gray is an ice DeS, and ice nearly killed him. He is still a DeS without his marks, he beat Invel with DeS magic without even using them.
Bombs dont affect him conventionally because he eats them, when he doesn't it hurt him, simple. The fact that the explosions happen on his body doesn't change anything, it just makes it harder to eat, which in itself proves my point.
I understand the context perfectly, and what Natsu likes is irrelevent, because Totomaru made his determination based on Natsu eating his fire, not on Natsu tanking it. Totomaru has no information regarding whether or not Natsu's body is immune to flames, all he knows is that fire doesn't work because Natsu can eat it. This in turn makes his later statement prove my point, Natsu can't eat while motion sick and if he cant eat, he's not immune, confirming Slayers can be affected by their element if they aren't eating it.
Yeah, Natsu is still resistant.

yet enchantments came before DS so they are not the same thing, the branch just proves my point as to why Wendy’s enchantments can harm Chelia as they are not air based, Tempester can heal himself as well So yeah. Your head canon that it is required to eat fire before being in contact with it, which was never proven in the manga, yes he did as he managed to output his Ice to counter Ice shell which at that point Gray was surprised and came to his senses, he defeated It so that his son would not die from the spell, not because he was not immune. He did not have IDSM active when he stabbed himself, that was because he was consumed by the darkness when he defeated Invel which is still Devil slayer Magic, not the same as before, bombs don’t affect him regardless, not on his body, to his body as his body transforms into explosions, his body only remains intact because of his immunity. You clearly do not, he made his determination because he can do what Gajeel does as well so he deduced he is a DS, so his fire will not work on him only the hax behind the elements can affect them like cold, stink, bypassing his immunity, etc.. Nothing in the manga states they are required to eat it, as Atlas and Jellal Flames confirmed, eating is a choice, not a necessity Natsu is still immune,

 

[Seven777]

yet enchantments came before DS so they are not the same thing, the branch just proves my point as to why Wendy’s enchantments can harm Chelia as they are not air based, Tempester can heal himself as well So yeah. Your head canon that it is required to eat fire before being in contact with it, which was never proven in the manga, yes he did as he managed to output his Ice to counter Ice shell which at that point Gray was surprised and came to his senses, he defeated It so that his son would not die from the spell, not because he was not immune. He did not have IDSM active when he stabbed himself, that was because he was consumed by the darkness when he defeated Invel which is still Devil slayer Magic, not the same as before, bombs don’t affect him regardless, not on his body, to his body as his body transforms into explosions, his body only remains intact because of his immunity. You clearly do not, he made his determination because he can do what Gajeel does as well so he deduced he is a DS, so his fire will not work on him only the hax behind the elements can affect them like cold, stink, bypassing his immunity, etc.. Nothing in the manga states they are required to eat it, as Atlas and Jellal Flames confirmed, eating is a choice, not a necessity Natsu is still immune,

They dont need to be air based(They are, her incantations confirm this) they just have to be based in Sky magic, which they are.
So what if Tempester can heal himself? Zeref can too.
I never said he has to eat fire before being in contact with it. I dont even know what you're talking about
The fact that Silver needs a counter proves my point. If Gray didnt think it would work, he wouldnt have attempted it.
Gray doesn't have ISDM. Gray has used DeS magic without marks before then too. He does it to beat Ur, no darkness.
They do, he was K.O'd by them. His body turns into a bomb, not into explosions. As for his body remaining in tact because of immunity, why would it not prevent him from being knocked out then lmao?
All that? Head canon, Totomaru made no statement relating to Gajeel. He saw Natsu eat fire and thus determined fire wouldnt work on him. When he saw Natsu was in no position to eat? He saw an opportunity.
No, they dont confirm anything other than the fact that Natsu is still resistant to fire. We've seen him be burned many times before.

 

[WoWfan]

They dont need to be air based(They are, her incantations confirm this) they just have to be based in Sky magic, which they are.
So what if Tempester can heal himself? Zeref can too.
I never said he has to eat fire before being in contact with it. I dont even know what you're talking about
The fact that Silver needs a counter proves my point. If Gray didnt think it would work, he wouldnt have attempted it.
Gray doesn't have ISDM. Gray has used DeS magic without marks before then too. He does it to beat Ur, no darkness.
They do, he was K.O'd by them. His body turns into a bomb, not into explosions. As for his body remaining in tact because of immunity, why would it not prevent him from being knocked out then lmao?
All that? Head canon, Totomaru made no statement relating to Gajeel. He saw Natsu eat fire and thus determined fire wouldnt work on him. When he saw Natsu was in no position to eat? He saw an opportunity.
No, they dont confirm anything other than the fact that Natsu is still resistant to fire. We've seen him be burned many times before.

You are going by some vague incantations when they don’t do what they said, tear the sky apart, that would mean that she is on the same level as Makarov with FL, or wind gathering at their feet nor do they gallop across the sky, based is not the same as is air magic, that is my point, they are not air magic, and neither is Wendy’s enchantments, he counters because his son was going to die, you are missing the point of that, and the fact that he was hit by it and can count it proves my point, He did attempted it, that is why he came to realize after he did it. He used it when he was consumed by darkness which is feature of DSM, he does have it on his arm when he beat Ur, he was K.O. By weaker bombs which counters your point of him being able to immune to greater bombs, it is simply fact he would know he is a dragon slayer since he and Gajeel are in the same guild and he eats metal inside the Guild Hall, and you assume as well as he made no statment about him being required to eat to be immune as the other points I have provided proven as well as Natsu grabbing fire when he was hit first, unharmed and then eats, this is basically what happens all the time, he is no longer immune because of the MS which he can’t transform his body to acquire the qualities of a dragon for his magic. It confirms, as that means Natsu is immune since Atlas fire does not hurt him at all, and even hit by flames that made him go DF which are 3 times his own power, he is only burned when there are flames that exceed his own immunity such as Savage Flames which affects time itself (Absolute Hot), God Flames which bypasses his immunity and Ignia’s fire which is special as he confirmed.

 

[sharkai]

-Not at all. The shading alone clearly distinguishes the two scenes. Eileen was there, she could've said Acno would die

lol your eagle eyes

-Who says him not recognizing it means he can't convert it?

that is a standard way computers work. why dont you shove a virus in your computer which your antivirus cant recognize

-So? And I didn't say he was scared shitless, though he certainly should've been.

i believe that was your point of why wahl was having a mental breakdown, now he is cured i am doomed

-Kyoka took Erza's senses lmao, the fact that she couldn't prevent that doesn't mean she was handicapped, it means Kyoka was too powerful for Erza to stop, thus the fight ended high diff.

like white witch took laxus powers. i never seen you say white witch and wendy are far stronger than laxus

Laxus on the other hand was dying when he went into the battle, and Mashima specifically went out of his way not only to set this up earlier, but also rant about it over and over during the fight. So yeah, spriggans are dirt to Laxus, he can beat them while on his death bed. Erza on the other hand? Went into the fight with her senses, then lost them due to how powerful the enemy was.

so why didnt laxsu defeat any other springgan after that. why was he as useful as gajeel and mira

The narration took care of it for him. Lightning beyond lightning. Not lightning too difficult to absorb, not lightning too hard to redirect, lightning that is beyond lightning. It's beyond Wahl, that's why it killed him.

If it's still lightning then Wahl is still immune to it, because Wahl is immune to lightning. There's no way around this, if it's different enough to lightning that Wahl isnt immune to it, then there's no reason for him to be weak to it either, nothing about it was mentioned.

virus example here work fine. you can grab any machine and put in an unfamiliar input. the machine wont work. wahl lightning converter didnt work when it encountered an unknown input.

It is. This is from the manga, not me.
1. Yes, because it canonically doesn't exist, he is immune to lightning.
2. Why would PoF matter? Every fight has PoF. Laxus vs Jura had PoF, Erza vs Minerva had PoF, Gray vs Rufus had PoF. This is the Fairy Tail way.
3. As it should be, PiS happens in every fight in the manga. You think Jacob couldn't have clapped his hands when Natsu was flying at him?
No, she doesn't. She can't even oneshot Eileen and she had all of this and more.

sadly its not in the manga.
1. not if his conerter doesnt work for unrecognized stuffs
2. pof matter because pof is like a huge power. equivalent to df for natsu. that is how natsu killed zeref. sadly zeref was not dirt to natsu either
3. so have pis. august vs erza happens. august decides to take a nap in between. erza kills him like brandish. @Seven777 comes and say august is one shot able to erza

Sadly no. erza didnt have any weakness of eileen nor was eileen suprised that erza is gonna hit her. erza only had pof which was allowing her to hit above august tier top moves.

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@sharkai it doesn matter, Freed was fast enough to create them when the test started, correction, not good when it comes to “sudden” battles, it is good for laying traps which is what Laxus did.

but laxus was in sudden battle, unless you are claiming he set it up before

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But he can convert lightning.

yes he can. but not lightning he cant recognize like any antivirus or computer system. mishma clearly had wahl AI mention that it cant recognize it. thus converting it was out of question

You can give Erza dragon slaying magic and POF, and have Acnologia literally split his mind from his body, and Erza is still not scratching Acno.

Nobody in the series actually hits hard enough to beat Acno in dragon form. Igneel can only take an arm.

He's also immune to magic, with like the sole exception of Fairy Sphere.

this is wrong. ignoring your million number thing
brandish with surprise attack nearly killed august. and it most likely wasnt top tier attack of her. we can extrapolate from here and say lucy with clear surprise attack can kill august tier
weakness. well since we now know that dragon are stronger than their human form. and someone equivalent of their human form arent one shotting them. but lets use the old silly theory.
dragon eileen >>>human eileen >erza
dragon eileen can easily one shot and possibly kill erza tier. but erza with ds can one shot dragon eileen.


and finally pof.
we have, from least extreme to retardly stupid pof
like laxus against wahl, gray against invel, erza against eileen and natsu against fh zeref

each three points i mentioned seemed to allow a charcter a boost of what, five tiers. yeah aconologia is dead (ignoring his magical resistance of course)

 

[Seven777]

You are going by some vague incantations when they don’t do what they said, tear the sky apart, that would mean that she is on the same level as Makarov with FL, or wind gathering at their feet nor do they gallop across the sky, based is not the same as is air magic, that is my point, they are not air magic, and neither is Wendy’s enchantments, he counters because his son was going to die, you are missing the point of that, and the fact that he was hit by it and can count it proves my point, He did attempted it, that is why he came to realize after he did it. He used it when he was consumed by darkness which is feature of DSM, he does have it on his arm when he beat Ur, he was K.O. By weaker bombs which counters your point of him being able to immune to greater bombs, it is simply fact he would know he is a dragon slayer since he and Gajeel are in the same guild and he eats metal inside the Guild Hall, and you assume as well as he made no statment about him being required to eat to be immune as the other points I have provided proven as well as Natsu grabbing fire when he was hit first, unharmed and then eats, this is basically what happens all the time, he is no longer immune because of the MS which he can’t transform his body to acquire the qualities of a dragon for his magic. It confirms, as that means Natsu is immune since Atlas fire does not hurt him at all, and even hit by flames that made him go DF which are 3 times his own power, he is only burned when there are flames that exceed his own immunity such as Savage Flames which affects time itself (Absolute Hot), God Flames which bypasses his immunity and Ignia’s fire which is special as he confirmed.

They all reference Sky, because it's Sky magic. And they don't need to be actually air magic, they just need to be sky magic, because Wendy and Chelia aren't Air Slayers, they're Sky Slayers.
And yet Gray still used it, because he knows there is a limit.
No, he doesn't, when he beat Ur his body was unmarked, same with Invel. Why is this even a debate? Gray is a DeS, with or without marks.
You don't know they're weaker bombs, this is something you've made up.
It's also simply a fact that Natsu has been burnt by fire several times. Motion sickness doesn't remove immunity, it just prevents Natsu from eating it, why would motion sickness prevent immunity?
It just means Natsu is resistant, Natsu had eaten Atlas's fire.
The fact that you admitted flames exceed his own immunity is just confirmation that it's resistance, you pretty much completely proved my point.

lol your eagle eyes


that is a standard way computers work. why dont you shove a virus in your computer which your antivirus cant recognize



i believe that was your point of why wahl was having a mental breakdown, now he is cured i am doomed



like white witch took laxus powers. i never seen you say white witch and wendy are far stronger than laxus



so why didnt laxsu defeat any other springgan after that. why was he as useful as gajeel and mira



virus example here work fine. you can grab any machine and put in an unfamiliar input. the machine wont work. wahl lightning converter didnt work when it encountered an unknown input.



sadly its not in the manga.
1. not if his conerter doesnt work for unrecognized stuffs
2. pof matter because pof is like a huge power. equivalent to df for natsu. that is how natsu killed zeref. sadly zeref was not dirt to natsu either
3. so have pis. august vs erza happens. august decides to take a nap in between. erza kills him like brandish. @Seven777 comes and say august is one shot able to erza

Sadly no. erza didnt have any weakness of eileen nor was eileen suprised that erza is gonna hit her. erza only had pof which was allowing her to hit above august tier top moves.

-What can I say? If half the character is black, I notice.
-Wahl isn't a computer and Laxus isn't hitting him with a virus. Plug a corrupted phone the computer doesn't recognize into it, it still charges.
-Rather Laxus's performance exceeded his expectations to the point where he couldn't believe it. aka he was pissed Laxus played him.
-White Witch is stronger than Laxus. Don't add Wendy, that's being disingenuous.
-Because just like Gajeel and Mira, he is a side character. The only difference is that due to his power, Mashima needed to nerf him several times over.
-No it doesn't, because lightning isn't information, it's physical. Your whole idea that Wahl funnels his immunity through some sort of computer that analyses it rather than simply altering his physical body to absorb it is all made up too. But that's fine lmao, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day because the main point still stands, if it's different enough to bypass immunity, then it's different enough to bypass weakness too.

It's stated outright and happens in the manga
1. This is something you've made up.
2. No, DF is equivalent to DF from Natsu. Any fight, Laxus vs Jura, Erza vs Minerva, Gray vs Rufus, it's all PoF, but that's still their power level.
3. If that happens in the manga it happens in the manga. Realistically Evergreen beats virtually everyone she fights as long as they don't know her power. Doesn't happen because that's just the way it goes.

 

[WoWfan]

Skarkai, Laxus was not in a sudden battle, he came there knowing that his enemy was the one that took how his friends, so he would be fully prepared for it.

Seven, So? Natsu’s main attack is called the Fire Dragon Iron Fist, yet his fist does not turn to Iron, so that is not Iron Magic, and by contrast, so does not Enchantments. Still air magic since she eats element air, not the upper region of the atmosphere sky. Gray used Iced Shell but still did not harm Silver and even countered it to save his son. You can see markings on his arm when he beats Ur, it is just in the distance but it is definitely there, with Invel he was consumed by darkness which is application to DSM, he is only when he has the marks or darkness. They are because they are smaller than most, I measured he size and they are not impressive compared to the standard explosions, and another proof is that even when Jackal Powered up, his explosions stronger than before, Natsu did not eat them and he was still unaffected since his is a DS. He only got burn 3 times, first when God Slayer flames bypass his defense, surpassing his limits when he burned time, and with Ignia’s special flames. MS does nullify your immunity with or without eating, because the Dragon Slayer doesn’t transform into the properties of a dragon to use DS, not he did not until after his monologue which he started after landing on Atlas’ body which burns people, simple as that. The fact that his exceeding his limits would have be something that is technically not heat at all confirms it Because that is what Absolute Hot is.

 

[Axiomus]

Lol.

All dragon slaying magic are enchantments. Heck, all slayer magics are probably enchantments, but dragon slaying magic for certain is. So if having enchantments is all it takes to stop a god slayer from being resistant to your element, then no god slayer is immune to a dragon slayer's element. Anyways, most of Wendy's enchantments are part of her sky dragon slaying magic. Pretty much everything except the spells she learned from Irene. Even if it's not dragon slaying magic, it would still be sky magic. They're spells Wendy learned from Grandeeney, the sky dragon.

None of this actually matters, because Wendy's was hurting Chelia with her wind. She cut Chelia's arm with wind using sky dragon claws, and she damaged Chelia with her secret art.

yes he can. but not lightning he cant recognize like any antivirus or computer system. mishma clearly had wahl AI mention that it cant recognize it. thus converting it was out of question

this is wrong. ignoring your million number thing
brandish with surprise attack nearly killed august. and it most likely wasnt top tier attack of her. we can extrapolate from here and say lucy with clear surprise attack can kill august tier
weakness. well since we now know that dragon are stronger than their human form. and someone equivalent of their human form arent one shotting them. but lets use the old silly theory.
dragon eileen >>>human eileen >erza
dragon eileen can easily one shot and possibly kill erza tier. but erza with ds can one shot dragon eileen.


and finally pof.
we have, from least extreme to retardly stupid pof
like laxus against wahl, gray against invel, erza against eileen and natsu against fh zeref

each three points i mentioned seemed to allow a charcter a boost of what, five tiers. yeah aconologia is dead (ignoring his magical resistance of course)

What? Lightning he can't analyze is just lightning he can't analyze. Even if Wall couldn't absorb red lightning, and was weak to it, it's not like Laxus has a slayer advantage. Machines are generally vulnerable to electricity because they have circuitry and wires that can get fried if there's too much electricity. Laxus' attack hit Wall so hard that he was smashed to pieces. Even if we apply pokemon logic and Wall's body being made out of metal makes him super vulnerable to lightning, like a pokemon, that still wouldn't put them on equal levels. Laxus isn't shattering Gajeel into pieces just because he can turn himself into iron.

No, you're ignoring a million things. Acnologia isn't August. His immunity to magic is good enough that he can no-sell attacks from Igneel, and even if you can get past his immunity to magic his dragon scales are simply too hard to pierce. Acnologia can be sleeping in his dragon form, and still take no real damage. That's basically what we saw with Aldoron. He was sleeping through Fairy Tail fighting on his back. The clash between Erza and Laxus didn't even show up on his radar. Aldoron took 1 point of damage to his 100,000,000 points of health from Natsu's FDK destruction fist specifically aimed at him. It would take a lifetime for Natsu to spam enough FDK destruction fists to bring him down, and Erza doesn't have an attack that hits 100x as hard as Natsu's FDK, let alone in the orders of magnitude required to actually do any significant amount of damage. The difference between Acnologia and Erza isn't the difference between August and Brandish. You can add a Laxus tier to Lucy and stand a good chance of evening the odds (so long as they have a means of using holder magic). You can add the entire guild of dragon slayers, or even dragons, to Erza and it wouldn't really make a difference against Acno. You literally need to have the entire continent casting Fairy Sphere to just have magic that can even restrict Acno's movements. Btw, there was no shortage of POF when everyone fought Acno in the end. Literally everyone had POF. It still took massive coincidences to actually bring Acno down, and they still never managed to defeat his dragon form.

Wait....You think Erza can kill Acnologia? Naw dude. She doesn't even deal the amount of damage that Igneel did when they fought in Tartaros. I'm not even talk about taking an arm here. She doesn't even scratch him up like Igneel did after their first round.

 

[WoWfan]

Even Justu Shiki are called enchantments, Then I guess Freed can slay Dragons then by that logic, Anyway, Enchantments may have given rise to DSM, DSM are certainly a magic on their own since it doesn’t require an enchanter to give mages DSM but can be learned or implanted with a lacrima, incorrect, since Enchantments don’t have a particular element That correlates to a Slayer’s immunity, then they can’t stop it, yet Wendy’s enchantments don’t show any air related aspects and even other people can use them, they are only in name, not in actual element, she uses the same spells as Irene before she learned it from Irene.

 

[Axiomus]

Even Justu Shiki are called enchantments, Then I guess Freed can slay Dragons then by that logic, Anyway, Enchantments may have given rise to DSM, DSM are certainly a magic on their own since it doesn’t require an enchanter to give mages DSM but can be learned or implanted with a lacrima, incorrect, since Enchantments don’t have a particular element That correlates to a Slayer’s immunity, then they can’t stop it, yet Wendy’s enchantments don’t show any air related aspects and even other people can use them, they are only in name, not in actual element, she uses the same spells as Irene before she learned it from Irene.

No lol. Enchantments aren't what allows a dragon slayer to hurt dragons. It's the power of a dragon. A dragon slayer is a human that uses enchantments to put the properties of a dragon into their bodies. Dragon slaying magic are enchantments.

You're claiming that Chelia isn't resistant to Wendy's sky magic because Wendy has enchantments. If that was the case, then no god slayer would have resistance to dragon slaying magic, because they're all enchantments. Which is obviously nonsense. Wendy hurt Chelia with her sky magic, which means Chelia doesn't have full immunity to sky magic. She has resistance, and some of Wendy's attacks are strong enough to overcome that resistance.

 

[WoWfan]

Yet Laxus did not have enchantment for when he got his Dragon Slayer, or Cobra, but from Lacrimas from other people who have not been shown or stated to have enchantments themselves, and correction, it is a dragon that does that, not a human, The difference is that Wendy actually uses Enchantments to support her attacks while other DS don't, which is why Chelia is the case is why Wendy could harm her.

 

[Axiomus]

Yet Laxus did not have enchantment for when he got his Dragon Slayer, or Cobra, but from Lacrimas from other people who have not been shown or stated to have enchantments themselves, and correction, it is a dragon that does that, not a human, The difference is that Wendy actually uses Enchantments to support her attacks while other DS don't, which is why Chelia is the case is why Wendy could harm her.

Alright, so 2nd gens don't need to learn the enchantment because they implant a lacrima. Doesn't matter, doesn't apply to any of the 1st gens.

And no. The dragon doesn't enchant them. The humans learn how to enchant themselves. That's how mages like Elfseria learn dragon slaying magic from books.

 

[WoWfan]

Alright, so 2nd gens don't need to learn the enchantment because they implant a lacrima. Doesn't matter, doesn't apply to any of the 1st gens.

Same with 3rd Generation, or even 4th and 5th generation dragon slayers, It doesn't matter, that is not how DS works in the long run, only Irene and Wendy are actually enchanters via boosting/support magic, not just elemental magic. and then there is Elf who is self taught so no one to enchantment dragon slayer magic into him.

 

[Axiomus]

Same with 3rd Generation, or even 4th and 5th generation dragon slayers, It doesn't matter, that is not how DS works in the long run, only Irene and Wendy are actually enchanters via boosting/support magic, not just elemental magic.

No, they're all using enchantments. If they're eating or implanting the magic inside them, they just don't have to learn it. The actual magic is still an enchantment. Dragon slaying magic are literally enchantments.

Spoiler

We knew this since chapter 1. There's simply no debate to be had here.

 

[WoWfan]

No, they're all using enchantments. If they're eating or implanting the magic inside them, they just don't have to learn it. The actual magic is still an enchantment. Dragon slaying magic are literally enchantments.

Spoiler

We knew this since chapter 1. There's simply no debate to be had here.

Look at the context, it just transforms the user, giving them the properties of a dragon, the fire itself is not an enchantment, just a byproduct of becoming like a dragon.

 

[Axiomus]

Look at the context, it just transforms the user, giving them the properties of a dragon, the fire itself is not an enchantment, just a byproduct of becoming like a dragon.

Okay, so the wind that Wendy is using to hurt Chelia with isn't an enchantment either then.

 

[WoWfan]

Okay, so the wind that Wendy is using to hurt Chelia with isn't an enchantment either then.

She uses her own enchantments for that, yes.

 

[Axiomus]

She uses her own enchantments for that, yes.

Lol what?

Look, dragon slaying magic are enchantments. That's been made clear since the beginning of the series. If you wanna get technical and argue that the element itself isn't an enchantment, fine. That would just mean that the wind Chelia is getting hurt by isn't an enchantment either. Moreover, the whole idea that using enchantments prevents a slayer from being resistant to an element is just something you made up. It doesn't matter if the element is produced by an enchantment. If it's sky magic, Chelia should have resistance to it. We see Wendy hurt Chelia with sky magic anyways.

 

[WoWfan]

Lol what?

Look, dragon slaying magic are enchantments. That's been made clear since the beginning of the series. If you wanna get technical and argue that the element itself isn't an enchantment, fine. That would just mean that the wind Chelia is getting hurt by isn't an enchantment either. Moreover, the whole idea that using enchantments prevents a slayer from being resistant to an element is just something you made up. It doesn't matter if the element is produced by an enchantment. If it's sky magic, Chelia should have resistance to it. We see Wendy hurt Chelia with sky magic anyways.

the only enchantment part of Dragon Slayer Magic is the physical body change, the elemental parts come after it, that is right, which Wendy uses her own enchantments to hurt Chelia, it would make sense if Wendy did not use enchantments straight off the bat in their fight, if that is the case then any magic would not be able to harm Slayers since they are magic too, sky magic is just a name, what she uses is air for her standard attacks, hence why she eats air, support magic is a different application of the said name magic all together.