Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

For the last time: Chelia is the SKY god slayer. She should be resistant to all forms of sky magic, not just that of wind. If Wendy's enchantments is an application of her SKY dragon slaying magic, like you just admitted, then Chelia would take no damage if she was truly immune. The fact that she still takes damage proves that she's not immune. She's resistant.

Besides, I just showed you 2 examples of Wendy using specifically WIND to hurt Chelia. So nothing you're saying sticks. Chelia isn't immune to Wendy's sky magic in any part. Not the enchantment. Not even just the wind attacks.

 

[WoWfan]

And because she is a sky god slayer, her only attribute to being immune is air magic, sky magic is just a general term for group of magic such as healing arts, etc.. The reason it would hurt Chelia is because it is an enchantment and not air magic. there is no element called sky, even in her character bio confirms it just air and not sky. which that wind is powered by enchantments again, Chelia is immune to air magic, same with Wendy, enchantments can still affect one another.

 

[Axiomus]

Wendy hurt Chelia with Wind Attacks. Enchantment do not negate a slayer's resistance to their own element. That's something you made up. No matter how much Wendy enchants her wind, it's still wind.

Sky magic is a type of magic. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that Chelia is only resistant to air. She should be resistant to all types of sky magic that seeks to hurt her, because she is the sky god slayer.

What character bio?

 

[WoWfan]

Wind attacks that have enchantments behind them, It doesn't negate since the slayer is not resistant to anything other than their own element, it is simply how it works, it has magic other than wind in it, that is how it is. Sky Magic, it does, otherwise, why can't Wendy or Chelia eat enchantments, or even souls since soul manipulation is an application, or healing magic? because they can't, they can only eat air, which is what they are only immune against, at the beginning of each chapter there are first pages that introduces characters

 

[Axiomus]

Wind attacks that have enchantments behind them, It doesn't negate since the slayer is not resistant to anything other than their own element, it is simply how it works, it has magic other than wind in it, that is how it is. Sky Magic, it does, otherwise, why can't Wendy or Chelia eat enchantments, or even souls since soul manipulation is an application, or healing magic? because they can't, they can only eat air, which is what they are only immune against, at the beginning of each chapter there are first pages that introduces characters

Still wind attacks. Wendy isn't using enchantments to attack. She's cutting Chelia with her wind.

Wendy and Chelia can eat sky magic. They can very well eat enchantments, if they face someone that has enchantments as part of their sky magic like Wendy. Souls aren't part sky magic. There are sky-dragon slaying spells that can affect souls, and Wendy/Chelia can eat that, but they can't eat the souls themselves. They certainly can't eat souls that have nothing to do with sky magic. You mean the guild cards? Neither Wendy nor Chelia's says anything about them only being able to eat air. At best, you have a statement about Wendy getting her magic from the air. That just proves that Wendy's enchantments get their power from the air, as those are part of Wendy's magic too.

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There's absolutely nothing in the manga that says if you use an enchantment on elemental powers, then a slayer don't have resistance to it. Neinhart's wind powers were given to him by Irene's enchantment, and there's absolutely no reason Wendy or Chelia wouldn't be resistant to them. Just like there's absolutely no reason Natsu wouldn't be resistant to Irene's fireballs. Just like there's absolutely no reason Zancrow wouldn't be resistant to the flames from Erza's enchanted swords. The idea that enchantments negate a slayers' resistance is just something you made up.

 

[WoWfan]

She is at the very beginning of the fight with her Arms and Vernier, which was supported by Enchantments, and yet we don’t see any Even when those use the same enchantments and they don’t eat it, so no, they are not air magic as that is what they eat, yes souls are via Milky Way which calls upon souls, and souls are being manipulated there, so by extension and your logic, they can eat souls. It doesn’t matter, since even in the manga he was never shown eating steel (using anime for a moment) Gajeel can eat swords that don’t have anything to do with Iron Magic, or even eat explosions that are not fire magic, the reason they can and Wendy & Chelia can’t is because the former’s match their elements and Wendy and Chelia do not for enchantment or healing since they are air. Her power coming from the air is the same thing as Gajeel’s which he gets his power from iron, though it can, even Wendy can’t eat through Freed’s enchantment since she eats enchantments like you said. what are you talking about, Wendy and Chelia can resist wind magic from Neinhart, there is nothing special about that wind unless shown, Irene’s fire ball is just that a fire ball it has no special enchantment supporting it, which he can eat because he is a fire dragon slayer, Zancrow can’t resist enchanted swords since it is just DS magic, nothing specific about that. Your idea that Wendy/Chelia can eat enchantments is beyond me.

 

[Axiomus]

Arms and Vernier don't create wind lol. Arms makes Wendy's hit harder. Vernier makes Wendy move faster. Wendy is cutting Chelia with her sky dragon claws and secret art, and hurting Chelia specifically with wind.

Milky Way isn't made out of souls. Milky Way is sky magic that calls upon the soul of dead dragons. Chelia/Wendy can eat the magic of Milky Way itself. Wendy and Chelia can eat any sky magic that they can suck into their mouths. If the sky magic happens to be an enchantment, then it's fair game. What they can't do is eat Zirconis' soul, because that's not sky magic.

Sky magic comes from the air, and Wendy's enchantment are sky magic. I would even argue that healing and enchantments are the basics of sky magic, because Wendy didn't even know any regular wind attacks until Jellal gave her a pep-talk about how to eat the sky. Wendy spent at least 6 years of her life using only healing and enchantments, and was still considered a Sky Dragon Slayer. And notice the wording here:

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So yeah, I dunno how many more ways I can say this. Wendy is the sky dragon slayer. She uses sky magic. And so does Chelia.

Gajeel can eat swords because swords they have iron in them.

Irene's explosions are enchantments. She's literally enchanting the air to explode. Neinhart's wind powers are enchantments from Irene. The flames on Erza's dragon slaying sword are also enchantments. In all these cases, there's absolutely no reason a slayer couldn't resist or eat the element just because they're enchantments.

 

[WoWfan]

no they don't, don't know where you got that, they are just magical energy, with wind that has enchanted magical energy. Milky Way manipulates souls, that is what it does, call souls which is application to manipulation, so in retrospect can eat souls by that logic. It is an application to Sky Magic, don't mean they can't eat other souls since they can manipulate it like with air. Sky Magic is made of the following (Air Magic, Enchantments, Healing & Support, Soul Manipulation) She already knows how the eat air before Jellal's pep talk, She has attack power, she just doesn't use it, what Jellal said was hyperbolic as Wendy did not consume the sky nor the heavens as she was inside a cavern area, so she just ate air, there was no sky inside a closed space, unless you are going to say she can manipulate and consume the very planets, moon, sun and stars then no, she use air for her attacks, enchantments are apart from air magic, wrong, he ate a katana which is made of steel, which has no other properies other than fire, transmutation, that is just it wind magic, no other enchantments, Erza used her flame empress armor for that. again, unless there is something other than only the elements involved, slayers can be immune and/or eat them

 

[Axiomus]

Wendy isn't adding any attributes to her winds. At best, arms just makes her wind hit harder, but it's still 100% wind. Vernier doesn't even affect Wendy's wind. It just makes Wendy herself move faster. Besides, Adding enchanted magical energy to an element doesn't prevent a slayer from being resistant to that element. That's something you made up.

Yeah, it's sky magic that manipulates souls. Wendy and Chelia can eat milky way. What they can't do is eat souls that Milky Way is trying to call out.

No, she didn't. Wendy literally has never used any offensive spells prior to Jellal's pep talk, and was too timid to fight at all. Even after Oracion, she only started learning how to fight by copying Natsu's moves.

Steel is literally an alloy of iron. It's iron with some carbon.

Lol. Irene's explosions are enchantments. Neinhart's wind powers are enchantments. I'm not talking about when Erza fought Kyria. I'm talking about when Erza fought Laxus with a sword enchanted with Natsu's fire. Absolutely zero reason why Zancrow wouldn't be able to eat the flames off of Erza's sword there.

 

[WoWfan]

Wendy is adding attributes to her wind which is it’s own magical energy, not 100% wind, even moving faster added kinetic energy, yes it does, because magical energy in of itself is not an element. So then you admit Wendy and Chelia can eat souls okay, the reason they can’t is they they would have to concentrate on that spot back then, doesn’t mean they can’t in other ways, They literally said the power was inside of her, that means she has the potential, just not tapped into, not every spell is a copy, even some are on her own, breath attack is definitely not a copy of Natsu since any slayer can do that. Nope, Steel is not Iron because it has Carbon, without it, it is just Iron, Steel is an alloy, Iron is an element, he even only achieves steel via non consumption by chemical bonding of carbon with his iron, Irene’s enchantments are not all the same, where as some are offensive on their own, some are supportive, or sending power into others, Even then, that is just a fire sword, no extra enhancements are made so Zancrow is fine.

 

[Seven777]

Wendy is adding attributes to her wind which is it’s own magical energy, not 100% wind, even moving faster added kinetic energy, yes it does, because magical energy in of itself is not an element. So then you admit Wendy and Chelia can eat souls okay, the reason they can’t is they they would have to concentrate on that spot, doesn’t mean they can’t in other ways, They literally said the power was inside of her, that means she has the potential, just not tapped into, not every spell is a copy, even some are on her own, breath attack is definitely not a copy of Natsu since any slayer can do that. Nope, Steel is not Iron because it has Carbon, without it, it is just Iron, Steel is an alloy, Iron is a metal, Irene’s enchantments are not all the same, where as some are offensive on their own, some are supportive, or sending power into others, Even then, that is just a fire sword, no extra enhancements are made so Zancrow is fine.

Doesn't need to be %100 wind, because it is %100 sky magic. Chelia's element isn't wind, it's Sky, which means she's immune to everything Sky, which includes wind.... and all Wendy's early enchantments. Your idea that Slayers can only eat the element they "attack" with is flat out wrong

 

[WoWfan]

Doesn't need to be %100 wind, because it is %100 sky magic. Chelia's element isn't wind, it's Sky, which means she's immune to everything Sky, which includes wind.... and all Wendy's early enchantments. Your idea that Slayers can only eat the element they "attack" with is flat out wrong

Sky and air are two different things, sky is a location, air is the element, which both Wendy and Chelia use the latter for combat, enchantments for support, if by that logic the other thing, that means she is immune and can eat the planets, moon, stars, sun, stars, even the vacuum of space, cold and radiation And even unaffected by Freed’s and Irene’s Enchantments despite obvious evidence to the contrary and even Wraith who uses souls as Wendy can manipulate souls too, in fact, she would survive in the Celestial Spirit World too.

 

[Seven777]

Sky and air are two different things, sky is a location, air is the element, which both Wendy and Chelia use the latter for combat, enchantments for support, if by that logic the other thing, that means she is immune and can eat the planets, moon, stars, sun, stars, even the vacuum of space, cold and radiation And even unaffected by Freed’s and Irene’s Enchantments despite obvious evidence to the contrary and even Wraith who uses souls as Wendy can manipulate souls too, in fact, she would survive in the Celestial Spirit World too.

So? Light and White are two different things too, Light is an element, White is a color, doesn't change the fact that Sting can eat anything that is white. As for all your little examples, stars and all that, is that supposed to prove something lmao? It's like saying Natsu could eat the sun and stars. Could he? Maybe, a few bites at least, he never will though so it doesn't matter. Besides, Wendy barely even eats air lmao despite having a practically infinite supply of it, maybe she can eat all those other things too, who knows? Doesn't matter, because at the end of the day Chelia was hit with Sky magic and it hurt her.

 

[WoWfan]

So? Light and White are two different things too, Light is an element, White is a color, doesn't change the fact that Sting can eat anything that is white. As for all your little examples, stars and all that, is that supposed to prove something lmao? It's like saying Natsu could eat the sun and stars. Could he? Maybe, a few bites at least, he never will though so it doesn't matter. Besides, Wendy barely even eats air lmao despite having a practically infinite supply of it, maybe she can eat all those other things too, who knows? Doesn't matter, because at the end of the day Chelia was hit with Sky magic and it hurt her.

The difference is that Sting shown and stated he can eat both Light and White Magic and is unaffected by them without certain conditions, white is anything holy and light is light magic. It does because claiming she can influence the sky and heavens includes the celestial bodies and spirits, in fact, she could eat Lucy’s celestial magic lol, knowing Natsu he wouldn’t hesitate to try. There, you have proven my point that Wendy only eats air, don’t know where you mean barely, everyone has a limit to how much magic they can contain, she only eats it is if she eats like a dragon slayer, not when she breaths which is basically the same as swallowing air as the manga already stated, if she could eat anything other than air, she could eat Chelia’s healing magic, or Irene’s Enchantments, unless stated and shown, she doesn’t, it does matter, because what her element is air, and that is what they resist and eat, enchantments are not air magic so it can hurt Chelia.

 

[WoWfan]

Well Gildarts is not going to appear since he is too strong according to Hiro, and he is weaker than the likes of Top Spriggan.

 

[Axiomus]

Doesn't need to be %100 wind, because it is %100 sky magic. Chelia's element isn't wind, it's Sky, which means she's immune to everything Sky, which includes wind.... and all Wendy's early enchantments. Your idea that Slayers can only eat the element they "attack" with is flat out wrong

It doesn't even matter, because Wendy's attacks were 100% wind. Vernier doesn't even affect Wendy's wind, and Arms just makes Wendy's winds hit harder. It's still 100% wind.

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Wendy is adding attributes to her wind which is it’s own magical energy, not 100% wind, even moving faster added kinetic energy, yes it does, because magical energy in of itself is not an element. So then you admit Wendy and Chelia can eat souls okay, the reason they can’t is they they would have to concentrate on that spot back then, doesn’t mean they can’t in other ways, They literally said the power was inside of her, that means she has the potential, just not tapped into, not every spell is a copy, even some are on her own, breath attack is definitely not a copy of Natsu since any slayer can do that. Nope, Steel is not Iron because it has Carbon, without it, it is just Iron, Steel is an alloy, Iron is an element, he even only achieves steel via non consumption by chemical bonding of carbon with his iron, Irene’s enchantments are not all the same, where as some are offensive on their own, some are supportive, or sending power into others, Even then, that is just a fire sword, no extra enhancements are made so Zancrow is fine.

What attributes? What other attributes is Wendy adding to her wind that somehow make's it less wind? Vernier makes her body faster, which doesn't affect wind at all. Arms makes her wind hit harder, but it's still 100% wind. That's like saying if Wendy enchants Natsu with arms, his fire is somehow not 100% fire anymore. It's ridiculous.

I'm not talking about the breath attack. The breath attack was something Wendy figured out how to do after Jellal's pep talk. The roar was her only move until she followed Natsu example with a wing attack that he used earlier against Hades. Wendy went through most of her life, and all of her training with Grandeeney without ever having used any offensive spells. Yet she was still considered a sky dragon slayer, because all her healing and support magic (enchantments included) are sky dragon slaying magic. They're sky magic.

Steel is mostly iron. Eating elements has nothing to do with determining what a slayer is resistant to anyways. Dragon Slayers can eat pretty much anything if they really wanted to. Natsu can eat etherion, lightning, and even the spirit king's power. Gajeel absorbed carbon particles through his skin create his steel. Why wouldn't he be able to eat steel, which is mostly iron anyways? It's not like the excess carbon has been shown to make him sick.

It doesn't matter if Irene has different enchantments. I'm specifically talking about her fireballs and explosions. Natsu is resistant to them, and it doesn't matter if they are enchantments. They are still fire. There's simply nothing that says enchanting an element negates a slayer's resistant to said element. That's something you're making up.

The difference is that Sting shown and stated he can eat both Light and White Magic and is unaffected by them without certain conditions, white is anything holy and light is light magic. It does because claiming she can influence the sky and heavens includes the celestial bodies and spirits, in fact, she could eat Lucy’s celestial magic lol, knowing Natsu he wouldn’t hesitate to try. There, you have proven my point that Wendy only eats air, don’t know where you mean barely, everyone has a limit to how much magic they can contain, she only eats it is if she eats like a dragon slayer, not when she breaths which is basically the same as swallowing air as the manga already stated, if she could eat anything other than air, she could eat Chelia’s healing magic, or Irene’s Enchantments, unless stated and shown, she doesn’t, it does matter, because what her element is air, and that is what they resist and eat, enchantments are not air magic so it can hurt Chelia.

What a slayer eats has absolute no correlation on how resistant their bodies are to an element. Dragon slayers can eat all sorts of magic if they really wanted to. Natsu can eat etherion, the Spirit King's celestial spirit magic, and Laxus' lightning. Doesn't mean that he's immune or even resistant to getting hurt by any of those magics. Gajeel ate Rogue's shadows, and then proceeded to use those same shadows to beat the lights out of Rogue. Not only did Gajeel eat something that is not iron, but he proceeded to beat up Rogue with shadows himself.

Anyways, our original point was whether or not Fairy Sphere only worked on Acno because of motion sickness. And the answer is no. Fairy Sphere didn't work on Acnologia even when he was still on the boat. He literally jumped from the boat and started to smash the spell while shouting "magic doesn't work on me". Only when Ishgal band together did the spell actually become strong enough to affect Acnologia's body and stop him from moving. Motion sickness and the boat was just a distraction so they could set up the spell around him.

 

[WoWfan]

Other attribute is magic energy, just because it adds different effects doesn’t mean it comes out of nowhere, that is right, it is not 100% fire with arms as he has another magic around him. And she used spells other than the ones she copied from Natsu. She had the means to use those attacks she just had to use them, which she learned from spell pages. again, steel is an alloy, not and element of metal. Besides that was not even in the manga what he did, Natsu ate Etherion because it had Fire in it, Lightning is heat based, failed the first time, succeeded the second time, Spirit King is not manga, even going that route, if that were the case Wendy would be able to eat Spirit King magic too since they revolve around the heavens. He was pierced by a steel sword with power from letter magic. Which were just fire and explosions, nothing special unless she enchants them again like Wendy did because they are magic energy on their own. It does since they showed no resistance to any other Magics other than their own elements if they are not special or enhanced. Natsu ate Lightning for the first time and got sick, and Natsu was just fine even after getting hit by Lightning in Tartaros, same as what I said before, correction, Gajeel used the Shadows to null Rogue’s shadow’s and used his own iron to hit him. The answer is yes as Morion Sickness caused him to not be able to be immune to magic harm, FT did not have enough power for the sphere so they needed everyone on the continent. That was just a weak attempt to escape while still under effects, even DS can still be weakened after leaving the vehicle. It doesn’t, but that doesn’t mean his weakened state could totally break free. Boat is not a distraction because everyone wanted him on it, he even destroyed the other boat via instinct.

 

[Axiomus]

It doesn't add different effects. Arms literally just makes your attacks hit harder. It's not adding anything to Wendy's wind that somehow makes it less wind. Same for Natsu's fire. Fire that's enchanted to hit harder is still 100% fire.

Do you even know what an alloy is? You do realize that steel is more than 99% iron right? High carbon steel is only like 1% iron. The rest is 99% iron. In regular steel, the carbon content doesn't even reach 1%. Gajeel can absorb iron into his skin and make steel himself, so why the heck would he not be able to eat something that's 99% iron? Also, your point about Gajeel getting stabbed by a sword just proves my point that slayers aren't immune to damage from their elements. They are merely highly resistant.

Yeah, there's no reason Wendy can't eat Celestial Spirit magic. Or any type of magic in general. Dragon slayers have been proven to be able to eat all types of magic if they really want to. Natsu can eat etherion, which is literally a combination of all sorts of magic. It doesn't make Natsu resistant to all sorts of magic. He's only resistant to fire. Also, Laxus stomped Natsu after they got off Tenrou Island, and Natsu took damage from Tempester's lightning.

Nope. The motion sickness did pretty much nothing to Acnologia's magical resistance. If it did, Fairy Sphere would have stopped him from moving while he was still on the boat. The fact that Acno could jump up, smash the sphere, and literally tell us that "magic doesn't work on him" proves that the motion sickness didn't negate his magic resistance. He literally told us it didn't. Fairy Tail did have enough magic to cast Fairy Sphere. It would have been just as powerful as when they used it on Tenrou Island. It just wasn't powerful enough to overcome Acnologia's resistance to magic. It was only with the entire continent did they have enough power to actually make Fairy Sphere strong enough to affect Acnologia.

 

[WoWfan]

and while having it’s magic part of the user which is not wind, same with Natsu’s fire adding a different magic to it. Alloy is a metal made of two other metals, as proven, steel even harms Gajeel despite the add of other magic, there is a reason why iron is not steel, yet he still avoided the absorption in the beginning, I don’t know maybe it has to do with something not iron harming him not only that with letter magic too. Yet you have to prove that to be the cast and not just assume that can eat every magic, or else they would be like Acnologia, Etherion has fire, they did not fight after Tenrou, he said he was fine, which means he was not hurt via having lightning. Yup it did mess with his Magical immunity, FS was incomplete because of lack of energy, and was still MS after hitting the sphere, how would he know when the spell was incomplete?

 

[Axiomus]

Okay.... What is Arms or Vernier doing to Wendy's wind attacks that makes it less than 100% wind? Give me an actual property.

Alloys are mechanical mixtures of metals. Steel in particular is 99% iron. There's literally only like 1% carbon (often less) in high carbon steel. Steel is literally iron mixed with tiny amounts of carbon powder. Gajeel has no problems absorbing particles of carbon through his skin and making his own steel, so obviously he would be able to eat something that is 99% iron and 1% carbon lol.

Natsu has eaten other magics that aren't fire, like lightning and spirit king's power. Saying that you're fine doesn't mean that you didn't take damage. It means he's in good enough shape to fight. I could get punched in the face and still be fine. Doesn't mean mean the punch didn't damage me. Natsu screamed in pain from Tempester's lightning bolt. And Laxus oneshotted Natsu in the anime right after Tenrou.

There's no reason to assume that Fairy Sphere was incomplete. They had more people than when they used it before on Tenrou Island, and the Sphere formed. But that doesn't even matter, Acnologia literally said that magic doesn't work on him while he's hitting the sphere. If he's still motion sick while that was happening, then that 100% proves that motion sickness doesn't affect his magic immunity. Fairy Sphere simply isn't strong enough to affect Acnologia's movement until the continent linked together, and the boat had no role to play except to distract Acnologia long enough for them to cast the spell.