Fantasy Suzaku vs Irene Belserion

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Well, apparently you do, since you think Eileen stomps round 2

I changed my post, I now think Suzaku stomps both rounds.

 

[grey matter]

Human Selene is human Acno tier, no way around it at all. To argue otherwise is ignoring the obvious portrayal and statements made in the manga multiple times.
Human Acno vs human Selene would be a high diff win for Acno in all likeliness IMO, accounting for Acno's magic resistance and superior physicals. This isn't like August vs Gildarts, where August can outright nullify the spells. Acno can't make a spell go poof like August can. Acno vs Selene would be more like Acno vs Igneel.
Human Selene, at minimum, would give him a mid diff

Serious Human Acno would simply one shot human Eileen or dragon Eileen within a second. His magic resistance/eating capability doesn't even come into picture here. That's like saying Natsu's fire resistance/eating capability would comes into picture against Macao or Romeo lmao

To argue human Acno vs human Selene would be no different from human Acno vs Eileen (any form) is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[WoWfan]

Yet Acno was more serious against Irene than with GS as people have claimed, with effort or not, the difference is with an average Spriggan power could be enough Hurt a slightly weakened Aldo to the point of staggering.

 

[Crimson Ice]

grey, Hiro stated in an interview for Lucy, healing requires magic, Juvia wasn't really dead, just close to death, even knowing high enchants did not make her capable of winning even with help.


No, that is what you were saying about him not being wild is him being serious, him being serious is when he actually puts in the effort, are you telling me that a breath attack that destroyed an entire island while not serious is weaker than a simple physical strike? And Acno then was not even laughing, or nothing. where was it stated that being calm was required? Him stating that he hopes she'd be entertaining was before the fight started, and she did not disappoint for him so he responded in kind, and then he said she acknowledged her, I doubt a mere haha is the same as "DESTRUCTION! DESTRUCTION! DESTRUCTION!" with what he was doing with Igneel in a life or death battle, in fact that only proves my point by your method of thinking that him getting worked up means he is getting serious, especially after learning about Irene to pay more attention to a corse than actual dragons since she was the cause of his existence.

I never said that the only time he was serious is when he's wild. Please quote that or just stop. Yes, a physical attack from a dragon would be better than a breath attack. Igneel's breath did nothing to Acnologia, meanwhile, both Igneel and Acnologia's major physical injuries came from physical attacks. Gildarts himself explicitly told us Acnologia wasn't being serious on Tenrou, you're arguing with the manga at that point. You keep on saying my method which really proves you don't know the point I was making and you keep putting words in my mouth. My point was that Acnologia didn't have a serious demeanor against Irene, which he didn't. I didn't state he had to be wild to be serious. Once again, you have done nothing to show he was more serious against Irene than Serena.

 

[WoWfan]

I never said that the only time he was serious is when he's wild. Please quote that or just stop. Yes, a physical attack from a dragon would be better than a breath attack. Igneel's breath did nothing to Acnologia, meanwhile, both Igneel and Acnologia's major physical injuries came from physical attacks. Gildarts himself explicitly told us Acnologia wasn't being serious on Tenrou, you're arguing with the manga at that point. You keep on saying my method which really proves you don't know the point I was making and you keep putting words in my mouth. My point was that Acnologia didn't have a serious demeanor against Irene, which he didn't. I didn't state he had to be wild to be serious. Once again, you have done nothing to show he was more serious against Irene than Serena.

Yet Igneel tried to dodge his breath attack because he is not a magic dragon slayer like Acno, so Igneel would be weaker still, well that method is what you keep projecting it by with how you respond, Let me ask you something then, you think he was more serious against GS as in putting more effort into his attack because he is a dragon slayer, right?

 

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[QUOTE="WoWfan, post: 5588746, member: 193189" Let me ask you something then, you think he was more serious against GS as in putting more effort into his attack because he is a dragon slayer, right?
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Yes and before you say he'd be more serious against Irene because she is the originator of DS magic and a Dragon herself, don't forget he only learned that later.

 

[WoWfan]

Yes and before you say he'd be more serious against Irene because she is the originator of DS magic and a Dragon herself, don't forget he only learned that later.

That is not what I was going to say, I was going to ask, so then he puts more effort because a DS/Dragon is involved, no matter what, right?

 

[Crimson Ice]

Yet Igneel tried to dodge his breath attack because he is not a magic dragon slayer like Acno, so Igneel would be weaker still, well that method is what you keep projecting it by with how you respond, Let me ask you something then, you think he was more serious against GS as in putting more effort into his attack because he is a dragon slayer, right?

Yes, Igneel tried to dodge an attack from Acnologia... Are you okay? I said his physical attacks were more powerful, not that they wouldn't harm anyone. I clearly stated earlier why I thought Acnologia was more serious. This shows you haven't been comprehending my posts and have been replying just to be right. Acnologia's demeanor was serious against Serena, he went straight for the kill, he blitzed by everyone there, including August. The same Augst who is as strong as Irene at the worst.

 

[WoWfan]

Yes, Igneel tried to dodge an attack from Acnologia... Are you okay? I said his physical attacks were more powerful, not that they wouldn't harm anyone. I clearly stated earlier why I thought Acnologia was more serious. This shows you haven't been comprehending my posts and have been replying just to be right. Acnologia's demeanor was serious against Serena, he went straight for the kill, he blitzed by everyone there, including August. The same Augst who is as strong as Irene at the worst.

How would know know his physical attacks are stronger when his breath attacks didn’t land? And yet that reasoning has no evidence to back it up as to why when other instances show just why attitude doesn’t determine the effort one puts into a fight, and so you think he was serious which means he put in the effort, because GS is a dragon To Acno? So personally, Acno would always put effort when DS/Dragons involved?

 

[Sevently]

imagine thinking that erza has surpassed august which means that she surpassed gildarts by far only because she was able to give a extreme diff to laxus
august has every spriggans magic which include organ bust & time stop, unless you think that erza has higher mp than august, he one-shot her + suzaku

 

[grey matter]

imagine thinking that erza has surpassed august which means that she surpassed gildarts by far only because she was able to give a extreme diff to laxus
august has every spriggans magic which include organ bust & time stop, unless you think that erza has higher mp than august, he one-shot her + suzaku

Imagine thinking powercreep doesn't exist. Yeah, Erza likely has surpassed x792 Gildarts, x793 Gildarts is an entirely different story. And nobody here is claiming Erza has surpassed August cause the dude is hax AF, but she probably surpassed him in physical stats.

Go ahead and tell that current Erza <<< Bluenote since Bluenote gave Gildarts high diff in Tenrou, cause by your idiotic logic characters don't grow

 

[WoWfan]

And imagine that characters who have shown levels of power that are well above what they have shown previousl, not just the main character.

 

[Sevently]

Imagine thinking powercreep doesn't exist. Yeah, Erza likely has surpassed x792 Gildarts, x793 Gildarts is an entirely different story. And nobody here is claiming Erza has surpassed August cause the dude is hax AF, but she probably surpassed him in physical stats.

Go ahead and tell that current Erza <<< Bluenote since Bluenote gave Gildarts high diff in Tenrou, cause by your idiotic logic characters don't grow

who said powercreep doesn't exist? stop claiming that erza has became so much stronger between alvarez and 100yq, she became stronger but not that much.
current erza is still not august tier, a hypothetical current gildarts could be, but erza is not even close.

still using that shit with bluenote, no one said powercreep doesn't exist but you have to be reasonable, and stop wanking erza.

 

[kenedyfake]

August's Hax is not so good against Erza, who uses magic swords. if she shows good deeds against Suzaku, I see her coming out victorious against August.

 

[Tirl]

August's Hax is not so good against Erza, who uses magic swords

Her magic is literally telekinesis (and some dimensional warping). She won't do anything to August, cus he can just copy her magic and use her swords and armor against her. And without saying - he can just use any other magic to beat her within a few seconds. Like reflector, time stop or Gildarts crash.

 

[Sevently]

August's Hax is not so good against Erza, who uses magic swords. if she shows good deeds against Suzaku, I see her coming out victorious against August.

August instant kill Erza with organ bust

 

[WoWfan]

August's Hax is not so good against Erza, who uses magic swords. if she shows good deeds against Suzaku, I see her coming out victorious against August.

Well he would use her requip Which is caster type, he just can’t use the magic from the items themselves.

 

[grey matter]

who said powercreep doesn't exist? stop claiming that erza has became so much stronger between alvarez and 100yq, she became stronger but not that much.
current erza is still not august tier, a hypothetical current gildarts could be, but erza is not even close.

still using that shit with bluenote, no one said powercreep doesn't exist but you have to be reasonable, and stop wanking erza.

x792 Erza would give x792 Gildarts a low-mid diff. Erza at least jumped up by 1-2 tiers, and now has access to new swords and enchantments. x793 Erza should at least be x792 Gildarts tier now. Even scaling her up by just one tier, which is her bare minimum growth, she should be at a level where she can give x792 Gildarts a high diff.
A hypothetical Gildarts would murder August. Current Erza should be August tier in stats, but still likely lose to him cause August is the most hax mage in the verse.

It's the same thing. One year timeskip
Bluenote low diff x791 base Natsu. Bluenote loses low diff to x792 base Natsu. That is how significant power creep is.
Why should things be much different in x793 when there is again a one year timeskip, especially when the stakes are much higher? In x792, you had no choice but to run from Acno, be it human or dragon form. In x793, you have to FACE 5 Acno tiers in combat.

 

[WoWfan]

Nothing really suggests that she changed tiers since Alvarez besides new swords that only gives hax, she lost to Irene back then, so did Gildarts to August, they are not doing much then, even Gajeel with Brandish’s power hurt slightly weakened Acno tier character, nothin big.

 

[Sevently]

x792 Erza would give x792 Gildarts a low-mid diff. Erza at least jumped up by 1-2 tiers, and now has access to new swords and enchantments. x793 Erza should at least be x792 Gildarts tier now. Even scaling her up by just one tier, which is her bare minimum growth, she should be at a level where she can give x792 Gildarts a high diff.
A hypothetical Gildarts would murder August. Current Erza should be August tier in stats, but still likely lose to him cause August is the most hax mage in the verse.

It's the same thing. One year timeskip
Bluenote low diff x791 base Natsu. Bluenote loses low diff to x792 base Natsu. That is how significant power creep is.
Why should things be much different in x793 when there is again a one year timeskip, especially when the stakes are much higher? In x792, you had no choice but to run from Acno, be it human or dragon form. In x793, you have to FACE 5 Acno tiers in combat.

The only thinks that make you think that current Erza is stronger than x792 Gildarts is her new swords enchanted..? she couldn't even defeat a Laxus who had to fight Kiria first.. there is absolutely no feats or statements who suggers her to be on x792 Gildarts level, unless you think that Gildarts is on Laxus level.
Gildarts being on Laxus level would be hilarous when we know that Mashima did not introduce Gildarts in 100yq because he is too strong.. unlike Laxus

We have no idea on how strong could be a hypothethical current Gildarts, he could be stronger or still weaker than August, maybe even much stronger like you claims it, but we can't know.

Bluenote low diff x784 Natsu, not x791. There is much a gap between x784 & x792