Fantasy Suzaku vs Irene Belserion

[WoWfan]

Irene was facing someone who was empowered by her own enchantment when Wendy possessed her body so, people seem to be forgetting that important fact, even then with Brandish power up, someone like Gajeel could hurt a somewhat weakened DG.

 

[Hexbend]

Suzaku stomps even harder now....man could stomp Pre-RoT human Acno now

 

[WoWfan]

How so? Magic does not work on Acno how would Suzaku pull that off?

 

[grey matter]

Suzaku stomps even harder now....man could stomp Pre-RoT human Acno now

Why? Anything happened in the last 2 chapters?

I'm taking a break from reading the series

 

[Hexbend]

Why? Anything happened in the last 2 chapters?

I'm taking a break from reading the series

Elefseria has a lot of knowledge of the magic world due to his law magic. He even knew of the events of Face and characters in it.

So the likely hood he knew of RoT Acno just went up by 99.9% at this point, it's almost a certainty he's talking about that Acno.

 

[grey matter]

Elefseria has a lot of knowledge of the magic world due to his law magic. He even knew of the events of Face and characters in it.

So the likely hood he knew of RoT Acno just went up by 99.9% at this point, it's almost a certainty he's talking about that Acno.

Oh, I don't think Mashima has thought that deep. You're heavily overestimating Mashima, this is a guy who makes up stuff on the fly and retconns shit left and right lmao.
I'd still assume the DGs are relative to regular Acno, not to RoT Acno

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I mean, unless Elefseria specifically mentioned this issue (relating to Acno)

 

[WoWfan]

yeah, and people would already known about Natsu defeating Acno then, the whole plan was around Natsu defeating Acno.

 

[Hexbend]

Oh, I don't think Mashima has thought that deep. You're heavily overestimating Mashima, this is a guy who makes up stuff on the fly and retconns shit left and right lmao.
I'd still assume the DGs are relative to regular Acno, not to RoT Acno

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I mean, unless Elefseria specifically mentioned this issue (relating to Acno)

Heavily disagree and it feels like your severely underestimating Mashima here, the narrative has been DG>= Acno so far, this just makes it even higher that it's RoT Acno and nothing really disproves this.

Don't feel like you can just write this off as Mashima probably didn't think about it. When he clearly wrote DG >= Acno after the RoT events. So if anything RoT Acno should of been the most recent Acno he would of been thinking about when writing that

 

[Steven]

Nothing in the Sequel proves that the DGs>Acno,nothing

Merc was a joke
Aldoron was meh
Selene need to show her power

 

[grey matter]

Nothing in the Sequel proves that the DGs>Acno,nothing

Merc was a joke
Aldoron was meh
Selene need to show her power

The relative comparison was made not just once, but multiple times by multiple characters at this point. The intention of the author is clear. At the very least, Mashima wants to establish DGs to be in same tier as Acnologia, in the same way Igneel was. Mashima > you

Merc, while nerfed to less than half his powers, no diff'd the entire x793 team Natsu and flipped over an ocean. While his defeat was certainly underwhelming, he had done enough to establish himself to be far superior to every villain until that point except Acnologia
Aldoron was woken up nerfed, and needed massive nerfs on top of that to be defeated by DF Natsu. He's still destroy every other good guy, even after the massive nerfs.
Selene, yea we'll see

 

[WoWfan]

Aldoron was nerfed somewhat with his seeds defeat, which would be close to his original power.

 

[Steven]

Mashima wants to establish DGs to be in same tier as Acnologia

Which he cant as Acno is immun to Magic.And Zeref has the right hax to deal with the DG´s

every villain until that point except Acnologia

Except Acno and Zeref,while for Acno,the magicpower of the whole Continent was needed

He's still destroy every other good guy

Guess what Acno would done if he faced them.He got taken out via U1 and later chased Christina...like wtf

Hiro can retcon as much as he wants,until Natsu crystal clear claims any of the DG´s are stronger as the old Villains,Acno stands at the top of the foodchain

 

[Demon Hunter]

The relative comparison was made not just once, but multiple times by multiple characters at this point. The intention of the author is clear. At the very least, Mashima wants to establish DGs to be in same tier as Acnologia, in the same way Igneel was. Mashima > you

Merc, while nerfed to less than half his powers, no diff'd the entire x793 team Natsu and flipped over an ocean. While his defeat was certainly underwhelming, he had done enough to establish himself to be far superior to every villain until that point except Acnologia
Aldoron was woken up nerfed, and needed massive nerfs on top of that to be defeated by DF Natsu. He's still destroy every other good guy, even after the massive nerfs.
Selene, yea we'll see

it's useless to debate with that guy, fam.
you would sooner cure Corona with pickle juice

most people around here never read any Shounen and were never introduced to power creep.
Namek Frieza >>>>>>> Perfect Cell

 

[WoWfan]

instead, the power stats here is recently inconsistent.

 

[grey matter]

Heavily disagree and it feels like your severely underestimating Mashima here, the narrative has been DG>= Acno so far, this just makes it even higher that it's RoT Acno and nothing really disproves this.

Don't feel like you can just write this off as Mashima probably didn't think about it. When he clearly wrote DG >= Acno after the RoT events. So if anything RoT Acno should of been the most recent Acno he would of been thinking about when writing that

IIRC Selene also said Acnologia is in their level (something along the lines of the 5 DGs and Acno were special cases or something), and she likely doesn't know about RoT as well

Yes, Mashima wrote this after RoT. But it's also to be considered that RoT is an external powerup. If we're considering precedent, then Mashima typically doesn't consider those while making statements. For eg, back when Laxus was above Natsu, those statements weren't keeping in mind LFD Natsu with Laxus' MP, DF Natsu with Jellal's MP etc

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. It's just my interpretation of Mashima's intention and my analysis of how deep he thinks. I don't think he thinks so deep or plans long term at all. Look at Alverass and the spinoff so far!
Mashima probably didn't even think of the implications of Acno/RoT when he gave Elefseria law magic, that's expecting too much from him

 

[WoWfan]

from what Selene said iirc, Selene said that Acno and the 5 Dragon Gods delayed the collapse of the Age of Dragons

 

[aymen24]

from what Selene said iirc, Selene said that Acno and the 5 Dragon Gods delayed the collapse of the Age of Dragons

Yes, this is correct.........
and........She knows about elfseria and doesn't mention him here.........

Which means it's not a problem for her.....
Like what she said

 

[Static]

IIRC Selene also said Acnologia is in their level (something along the lines of the 5 DGs and Acno were special cases or something), and she likely doesn't know about RoT as well

Yes, Mashima wrote this after RoT. But it's also to be considered that RoT is an external powerup. If we're considering precedent, then Mashima typically doesn't consider those while making statements. For eg, back when Laxus was above Natsu, those statements weren't keeping in mind LFD Natsu with Laxus' MP, DF Natsu with Jellal's MP etc

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. It's just my interpretation of Mashima's intention and my analysis of how deep he thinks. I don't think he thinks so deep or plans long term at all. Look at Alverass and the spinoff so far!
Mashima probably didn't even think of the implications of Acno/RoT when he gave Elefseria law magic, that's expecting too much from him

from what Selene said iirc, Selene said that Acno and the 5 Dragon Gods delayed the collapse of the Age of Dragons

"The Age of Dragons ended 400 years ago. Acnologia and we five dragon gods delayed our demise by 400 years. Now is the time to truly end the age of dragons." This was her exact dialogue. But yes, I agree, that IMO from the context of the situation and the subtext, she clearly considers him to be on the same level as them.

 

[Hexbend]

IIRC Selene also said Acnologia is in their level (something along the lines of the 5 DGs and Acno were special cases or something), and she likely doesn't know about RoT as well

Yes, Mashima wrote this after RoT. But it's also to be considered that RoT is an external powerup. If we're considering precedent, then Mashima typically doesn't consider those while making statements. For eg, back when Laxus was above Natsu, those statements weren't keeping in mind LFD Natsu with Laxus' MP, DF Natsu with Jellal's MP etc

I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. It's just my interpretation of Mashima's intention and my analysis of how deep he thinks. I don't think he thinks so deep or plans long term at all. Look at Alverass and the spinoff so far!
Mashima probably didn't even think of the implications of Acno/RoT when he gave Elefseria law magic, that's expecting too much from him

Who's to say she didn't know of his little power up though? I feel like that doesn't really disprove/prove anything

Eh those statements are made due to those power ups not being permanent and not lasting, while RoT was a permanent power up.

I mean one doesn't have to think deep to assume he's using his most recent version of RoT Acno in these statements? It's more of a jump now then ever to assume he's talking about Pre-RoT Acno after what we know of Law Magic/Elefseria's knowledge.
Hiro clearly takes into consideration things when he has time and wants to plan out, kind of unfair to just dismiss this because you think Hiro doesn't think deeply about it, when he really doesn't have to for something as simple as DG's statements.

 

[WoWfan]

not really permanent, since his power was overwhelming and can't maintain it by himself so he needed the DS for that, unless stated, it would be base Acno at the moment based on how things went at the time.