Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

It's not lumped in with anything. It is sky magic. Since when does being an called an "art" have do with anything? Are secret arts just random magic that's lumped in with the rest of dragon slaying magic? No. They're part of it.

Wendy was never in a situation where the air was polluted enough that she couldn't use wind attacks. Cosmos' pollen didn't pollute the air enough to stop Wendy from using her wind. It just made Wendy sleepy. Wendy could use magic the entire time. She just chose to get rid of her sleepiness first.

The power for Wendy's enchantment, and her sky magic in general, comes from the air. Like I said, it doesn't matter if other people don't draw their power from the air. Wendy does.

Dude.... Are you seriously going to argue that fire and flames are different things? This is insane. Combustion is the oxidization of a material. Fire is the plasma that results, and flames is just another word for fire.

Silver was taking damage from Gray redirecting his ice, and had to try really hard to break Iced Shell. Also, Invel could freeze Gray, and his ice isn't hax. It's just really cold.

 

[WoWfan]

It is, otherwise, healing would not be considered lost magic, well considering black arts is summed together in ancient spells like lost magic is too, the SA could be for all we know. it was never stated to be enough to be polluted, just polluted air, which is enough to harm a person, so it counts, sleeping death, which is harmful, and yet didn’t why? There wasn’t a reason to wait that long if it is a simply matter. Yet they don’t as the cosmos situation showed. She does for her air element. Fire and combustion are similar as they both oxidize a material with the former more rapid, flames are a gas, hot enough temperature ionizes them into plasma, flames are the visible gases, the former is a process, the other is a result in a state of matter, Silver was not taking any damage from Gray’s attack as he stated, he had to break it or else Gray would die, and yet the outcome was the same thing, it didn’t work on him, Invel’s ice is stated to be special, since Gray’s body returned to normal.

 

[Axiomus]

All dragon slaying magic was considered lost magic and ancient spell. Doesn't make a difference. Secret arts are part of dragon slaying magic. The healing arts in sky dragon slaying magic are still sky magic.

Wendy never used any of the spells Irene used during Tartaros. Name ONE enchantment that Wendy used during Tartaros that Irene also used. Just one. It doesn't matter if other people can use enchantments or healing magic. The enchantments and healing that Wendy uses are part of her sky magic, and sky magic takes power from the air.

Of course the level of pollution matters. Wendy isn't going to lose her magic if somebody makes a campfire, despite smoke being a pollutant. There simply wasn't enough pollen in the air to count as pollution and stop Wendy from using magic. It's not like everyone in the room was choking on the pollen. It's just that the pollen had magic to make people sleepy. Wendy's enchantments didn't get rid of the pollen either, so it would have done nothing to lessen the polution.

Whatever. Fire. Flames. Think of them as different things if you want to. All the same to Natsu.

Silver had scratches from the attack, and Gray was literally going to kill Silver with his ice sword. You think that sword would have just bounced off Silver? How was Invel's ice special? It was just really cold. Heck, his true ice armour is made out of demonic ice too. So if anything, Gray should have been extra resistant to it. Come to think of it, it's not just Invel either. Ur's attacks hurt Gray too.

 

[WoWfan]

I was not really talking about Dragon Slayer Magic, just healing magic, which is something shown To be apart from Sky Magic too. Deus Corona, it actually does as it shows the separation of the magics. what does campfire has to do with this? It doesn’t affect her, but clearly the other does, magic is the same as nature so it still counts, Wendy’s enchantment made it so it doesn’t affect Her so she could use her air magic. Still point proven with the separation of elements and name, and they are both the same to Natsu as shown and stated. Those scratches are from the rubble that Gray shot at him, Silver literally stated that it didn’t hurt him, he just wanted to eat it, nothing about it not harming him. Invel literally stated that the ice armor bypasses Gray’s immunity, it literally ignores it, any element with a special attribute would affect a slayer, that was base Gray so not Devil slayer magic used.

 

[Seven777]

Air is part of sky, and healing and enchantments can be used without it, and stated air in other chapters and by herself, and Elf’s element is law which is explained as knowledge, completely different concepts, proves my point, name does not mean literal. That is right, yet did not have the strength to do that, even he would lose more strength the more he exerted himself, he can’t use his full strength while MS.

So? Air magic can be used without sky magic too lmao. Doesn't change the fact that Wendy's element is sky.
But he wasn't on the boat? Acno had the strength to fly when hit by Christina's motion sickness.
So does motion sick Acno have less strength than Gray?

 

[grey matter]

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Wendy and Chelia are called Sky sisters. They use Sky dragon/God slaying magic. Their elements are identical.
They are able to hurt each other, meaning slayers have elemental resistance and not immunity
Also yet another confirmation that Wendy is Sky DS

I swear this WoWfan dude argues for the sake of arguing.

 

[Kiki]

Isnt air magic different altogether? It is Ren and Aria's magic. Wendy's is Sky. It includes her healing, enchantment, and even Milky Way.

 

[Axiomus]

I was not really talking about Dragon Slayer Magic, just healing magic, which is something shown To be apart from Sky Magic too. Deus Corona, it actually does as it shows the separation of the magics. what does campfire has to do with this? It doesn’t affect her, but clearly the other does, magic is the same as nature so it still counts, Wendy’s enchantment made it so it doesn’t affect Her so she could use her air magic. Still point proven with the separation of elements and name, and they are both the same to Natsu as shown and stated. Those scratches are from the rubble that Gray shot at him, Silver literally stated that it didn’t hurt him, he just wanted to eat it, nothing about it not harming him. Invel literally stated that the ice armor bypasses Gray’s immunity, it literally ignores it, any element with a special attribute would affect a slayer, that was base Gray so not Devil slayer magic used.

Wendy's healing magic is part of her dragon slaying magic. Dragon slaying magic are ancient spells and lost magics. So saying that healing magic is a lost magic means absolutely nothing. It doesn't prove that Wendy's healing magic isn't part of her sky dragon slaying magic. It absolutely is.

Irene has never used deus corona.

The guild card didn't say that Wendy can't use magic when she is feeling sleepy or when she's feeling sick. It says that she can't use magic if the air is polluted. Wendy's enchantment did absolutely nothing to reduce the pollen in the air, and yet Wendy was still able to summon wind. That is proof that Cosmos' pollen didn't pollute enough air to stop Wendy from using magic.

No, what Invel literally said that his armour will freeze Gray despite his resistance to ice. He never talked about his ice having any sort of a special hax. But that's not even the moment I'm talking about Invel's armour. I'm talking about Invel's snow-storm. Gray literally said that it was cold enough to freeze him.
Doesn't matter if he doesn't demonize, he's still a devil slayer. Gray didn't demonize when he used ice devil zero longsword magic against Ultear.

 

[WoWfan]

That is my point, DSM are lost magics, just as lost magics are part of Ancient spells group, so to does healing magic a part of the sky Magic group, yet other people can use healing magic and not be considered lost magic. Yes, when
Wendy took over her body. It says she can’t her magic with polluted air which she was taking in with Cosmos’ Spores, which contributes to air pollution, who said anything about reduce them? Just that it wouldn’t affect her, which basically nulls her inability to use air magic, that is proof that Wendy couldn’t use air magic before using her enchantments and when the air was polluted. Resistance and immunity are blurred together often in the series, what matters is how they are shown which Invel’s ice armor proves to bypass his immunity, yes Invel did, he said despite his immunity, the armor will freeze you, ignoring it. And yet it did not freeze him, it is apparent that he uses DSM to get his immunity, he did as you can see the mark on his arm In the panel.

grey matter, Wendy could hurt Chelia with the aid of enchantments, while Chelia could hurt Wendy naturally since god is a level higher than dragon. Just as Zancrow Showed with Natsu.

So? Air magic can be used without sky magic too lmao. Doesn't change the fact that Wendy's element is sky.
But he wasn't on the boat? Acno had the strength to fly when hit by Christina's motion sickness.
So does motion sick Acno have less strength than Gray?

that is my point, her element is air which is part of her Sky Magic, even names are misleading, look at Elf’s Law, it is because he is motion sick that he can’t do that, he was briefly falling when hit with MS with Christina, Acno can’t use his full strength when MS, that is all.

Isnt air magic different altogether? It is Ren and Aria's magic. Wendy's is Sky. It includes her healing, enchantment, and even Milky Way.

Wendy eating air was creating a vacuum Effect, like Ren can steal the air from a space for a similar effect. With Aria, it is a little weird, however his air can steal life and disperse magic too. and considering that Wendy has shown to eat and stated to control air is a given, names can be missleading.

 

[GL_Nova]

Selene is small planet for her moon manipulation. An that was done casually in her human form…the form Suzaku and his compatriots are superior too. The same squad that’s about to lose to our guys in FT. This will be the greatest tier jump in the saga.

 

[WoWfan]

Selene is small planet for her moon manipulation. An that was done casually in her human form…the form Suzaku and his compatriots are superior too. The same squad that’s about to lose to our guys in FT. This will be the greatest tier jump in the saga.

Pretty sure that is reality warping, and as you said earlier, that it was just hax for her abilities.

 

[Axiomus]

Any magic from 400 years ago is an ancient spell. Lost magic are just ancient spells that people thought went extinct. Both dragon slaying and god slaying magic are considered lost magic. Which means, no, there aren't healers who don't use lost magic. Heck, there aren't even enchanters who don't use lost magic.

That's not Irene using deus corona. That's Wendy using Deus Corona in Irene's body. Irene can't use deus corona anymore than Wendy can make Erza's armor explode. In fact, Wendy even had to explain what Dues Corona did to Irene, which tells us that Irene didn't know the spell.

Cosmos' spores never stopped Wendy from using her magic. At all. It just made Wendy sleepy. Wendy could use her magic, both enchantments and her wind, the entire time.

Resistance is resistance. Immunity is immunity. They are different words with different meanings, and a slayer only has resistance. Gray says right here that Invel's magic is cold enough to freeze him. There's no excuse to be made here. Invel's snowstorm doesn't have any hax. It's just really cold. Gray is using devil slaying magic and half demonized here. He still said that Invel's magic was cold enough to freeze him.

Spoiler

 

[WoWfan]

there is more to Lost Magic as they are magics that reap heavy consequences because of their immense power, Irene uses enchantments before getting DS magic (heck, U1 is new generation magic and is enchantments) and Acno who has healing before getting DS as well, and Etherious who use healing spells too. And yet Irene uses Sky Dragon Slayer Magic while in Wendy’s body which would be exclusive, that spell is something that belonged to her body anyway, and even Wendy did not know how to use separation enchantment until Irene taught it to her in 100YQ and yet she used it while in Irene’s body, so that proves the enchantments are Irene’s, it was not explanation as to what it is, it is more why Erza’s armor did not kill her. They did, it polluted the air, causing bad air quality for Wendy, which she did not use Air Magic right away, which by definition can’t use her air magic, her enchantments negated that. Resistance and Immunity are crossed over all the time, and if anything the recent chapter proved, words and meanings mean little, and yet it does not freeze him, he said that twice, and both of the times (both with and without DSM), nothing happened, it it was then he wouldn’t be talking but turned into an ice sculpture, he says “but” which means there was more which would disregard his previous statement, and this is someone who could freeze Natsu with his FDK flames.

 

[Seven777]

that is my point, her element is air which is part of her Sky Magic, even names are misleading, look at Elf’s Law, it is because he is motion sick that he can’t do that, he was briefly falling when hit with MS with Christina, Acno can’t use his full strength when MS, that is all.

Her element is Sky(stated in the manga) and air is part of that, yes, along with summoning souls, healing and enchantmensts. And all aspects can be used without Sky magic, so your point about other people using healing and enchantments makes no sense. They can use air as well. What about Elf's law? Is it a weird interpretation? Sure, but no weirder than Wendy's element allowing her to summon souls.
Except he was strong enough to pick himself up and leap off the boat, and that's while actually on a vehicle. Why would he not have the strength to fly after he's gotten off said vehicle?
So, Acno can't use his full strength, ok. Is the strength he can use greater than Gray or not? Stop ducking, answer the question.

 

[WoWfan]

Her element is Sky(stated in the manga) and air is part of that, yes, along with summoning souls, healing and enchantmensts. And all aspects can be used without Sky magic, so your point about other people using healing and enchantments makes no sense. They can use air as well. What about Elf's law? Is it a weird interpretation? Sure, but no weirder than Wendy's element allowing her to summon souls.
Except he was strong enough to pick himself up and leap off the boat, and that's while actually on a vehicle. Why would he not have the strength to fly after he's gotten off said vehicle?
So, Acno can't use his full strength, ok. Is the strength he can use greater than Gray or not? Stop ducking, answer the question.

She only eats air so her element is air, sky is just a name, she does not eat souls (which uses the ground for that via carvings), healing or enchantment, just air, the point is not because other people can use it without Sky Magic, the point is that Enchantments, souls and healing are not air base which Wendy makes no attempted to eat when it counts. That is my point, names are misleading, and as expressed earlier that editors use other names because it "sounds cool". He would need to be off the boat long enough to regain his strength to even fly. The is unclear unless he actual fights Gray.

 

[aymen24]

Since I have the first volume...... the official French version

elfseria's statement in this official translation...
"Each of them has a strength equal to acno".....

Spoiler: The official French version

Which means that the translation is compatible with mangastream and sorcererweekly

Spoiler: mangastream and sorcererweekly

Spoiler: Japanese Blog

The one who translated it... (at least)............
He completely changed the meaning......

Spoiler: Another French translation (unofficial translation)

"Each of them is as strong as Acno"

Kiki

mangahelpers.com

What is your translation?

 

[Seven777]

She only eats air so her element is air, sky is just a name, she does not eat souls (which uses the ground for that via carvings), healing or enchantment, just air, the point is not because other people can use it without Sky Magic, the point is that Enchantments, souls and healing are not air base which Wendy makes no attempted to eat when it counts. That is my point, names are misleading, and as expressed earlier that editors use other names because it "sounds cool". He would need to be off the boat long enough to regain his strength to even fly. The is unclear unless he actual fights Gray.

No, she eats sky power too. if her element was Air she'd be a Gale Dragon Slayer like God Serena. Her element is Sky as stated literally one chapter ago. In the world of Mashima, air can heal, ice can control minds, light can paralyze, ash can teleport, it's just the way it goes. Just because it doesn't fit your view of what it should be in the real world, doesn't change the fact that in the manga that's how if is.

HAHAHA, you think it's unclear that Motion Sick Acno is stronger than Gray? Now I see why you were so scared to answer the question lmao. Tell me, is Gray too powerful for Fairy Sphere lol? Does FT need the rest of the continents power to use it on Gray? Hahaha.

 

[WoWfan]

No, she eats sky power too. if her element was Air she'd be a Gale Dragon Slayer like God Serena. Her element is Sky as stated literally one chapter ago. In the world of Mashima, air can heal, ice can control minds, light can paralyze, ash can teleport, it's just the way it goes. Just because it doesn't fit your view of what it should be in the real world, doesn't change the fact that in the manga that's how if is.

HAHAHA, you think it's unclear that Motion Sick Acno is stronger than Gray? Now I see why you were so scared to answer the question lmao. Tell me, is Gray too powerful for Fairy Sphere lol? Does FT need the rest of the continents power to use it on Gray? Hahaha.

Sky power meaning air which she eats, got it, Gale is referred to storm or cyclone or strong wind, so it is Wind Magic, coming form a guy who’s element revolved around knowledge called Law, yeah no, her power revolves around air. And yet people do not heal when they breath or use enchantments too or soul magic. that ice has it’s own hax, just like Sky Slayer air has slayer hax. correction, white magic which can paralyze, ash which can drift along to wind to another point, those are elements with magical attributes. I should be saying the same, not my fault, Ax said the naming comes from translators because it sounds cool, does not indicate any literal meaning, and in the manga it clearly shows a difference. Do you have evidence of Acno fighting Gray while MS? Please show me. You are the one that brought it up, there was no fear in the answer, because you are the one making assumptions like that question. I have no idea what you are talking about. LoL

 

[Kiki]

@aymen24 agree with those tls tbh. one individual guiltena's 5 dragon gods = acno

 

[aymen24]

@aymen24 agree with those tls tbh. one individual guiltena's 5 dragon gods = acno

Thanks...
It seems that the official French version is better than the official English.......

The French translator lived in Japan before.......
He has already translated everything related to Fairy Tail before.