Chapter Tower of God Chapter 515 Spoilers & Discussion

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It was never said in the story that Hon is the strongest.



The Arie are the strongest Family but Hon was never said to be the strongest Family Head.
If arie hon is stronger than khun eduan then Arie family is stronger than khun eduan considering these bugs will not matter in a fight.Plus if there is a strongest family if we don't include family head then that's khun family considering you would see thousands of Aguero on a warship,which doesn't make sense with your speculation.

Khun eduan is rival with arie hon and jeaolous of him for ranking higher than him.Other family heads doesn't care about rankings but khun eduan and arie hon does considering khun eduan wanted to fight with person who pushed him out of Top 5 rankings.

You don't have any single proof,statements or feats about arie not being strongest family head.
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It's has been said at multiple times that he is the most powerful among the ten great family you think he is top 4 for nothing and once top 2
he won't believe it,and doesn't want to believe maschenny's daddy isn't strongest family head.
 

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A.Baam would literally spank her ass throughout the entire fight.
B.Why should baam listen to her?He is already stronger than both of them,it would be ridiculous if baam chose to waste time over fighting with snake.
Baam already being stronger than Maschenny hasn't been shown. It's still just an assumption for now.

So what are you expecting to happen now? Baam waltzes in takes Jinsung and leaves?
 

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Baam already being stronger than Maschenny hasn't been shown. It's still just an assumption for now.

So what are you expecting to happen now? Baam waltzes in takes Jinsung and leaves?
Considering that we've reached at the point where the Lo Po Bia are rolling into the Nest through that gate Love stumbled upon, it could very well happen. There's no need to stall with some side mission now. It's already too late to make a clean escape.
 

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I think the dangerous person asensio is talking is the person from the khun family that AA is working with...
Aren't they talking about the snake guy's master? The master of the dude who kidnapped Yihwa.
 

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It's has show at multiple times that bam can make plans like when the time he was searching for Deng Deng it's was him who made the plan to got Louie and deng Deng he is very smart when he wants
Because getting yourself caught to get someone out of prison is a very clever idea when most people could think of that? Strategy wise Bams as far as I can remember has never come up with something thats hard to think of? His never been potrayed as a “smart” MC, that’s why he needs people like Khun, Hwayuen and Shibisu because they can think of things that he couldn’t. Thankfully the thorn doesn’t make him smarter as far as I recall, it gives him more power, not more intellect.
 

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Considering that we've reached at the point where the Lo Po Bia are rolling into the Nest through that gate Love stumbled upon, it could very well happen. There's no need to stall with some side mission now. It's already too late to make a clean escape.
Maschenny has no intentions of just handing over Jinsung though:
 

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Maschenny has no intentions of just handing over Jinsung though:
I don't imagine Baam cares much what she wants. All I'm saying is that in terms of story logistics, there's no need for another quest to eat up time before the shit hits the fan. It's already touching.
 

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He can generally just wing it and things will still work out for him. It's happened several times in the past. I'd rather have him make some missteps now and again over acting like some leashed follower. He shouldn't have to be diminished for the sake of letting people like Koon shine at his expense.

To paraphrase Ryuji Goda, a real man ought to be a little stupid. Scheming fucks can never stand on top. That's why Zahard is the king and Gustang isn't.

(Yes, I just finished a run of Kiwami 2 yesterday morning).
Lol what? Khun thinking up ideas isn’t making him shine more than Bam, if you haven’t noticed the entire plot revolves around Bam to the point certain people are saying they want more screen time with other characters.

Bams never been portrayed as a character that thinks up strategies on the fly. Khun is the brains while Bam is the power, it’s always been portrayed that way.

They’re not taking away anything from him as Bams never been portrayed as brainy or very intelligent in the first place. His main attributes are talent and power and loop hole to rules because of him being irregular. How can you take something away from a character if that something was never apart of a character in the first place.
 

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Hon is slightly stronger than eduan and ha yurin. Top 3 family heads are incomparable to other family heads,it's something confirmed by Arie Hon. If you want to refuse what he says then be my guest.
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Arie hon is strongest. It was mentioned many times in story. AA said Arie family has strongest bloodline and is strongest family. Eduan is rival with arie hon and is jealous of arie hon for being ranked slightly higher than him.
Sure arie hon is strong, but in which chapter he said that aside from him, eduan, and yurin rest of fh is incomparable??

Tell me which chapter, since u said it is confirmed by hon himself
 

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Aren't they talking about the snake guy's master? The master of the dude who kidnapped Yihwa.
I think it's Baam. Asensio talked about that there are other people more dangerous than them who wants the Irregular and all so it makes quite sense to me atleast, that it's Baam. And he did know AA as that Khun family member whos climbing with a Slayer Candidate.

But considering what people they have in their team, it could be White/Vicente, could be the shady hostage takers, etc that is a guy.
No, it's definitely someone from the Khun Family. See what Asensio says about them and AA's dialogue:




Then consider the following events:
  1. AA had a Khun High Ranker stop the Hell Train as a favour.
  2. SIU said that AA has connections to someone influential in the Khun Family.
  3. AA said that he's not worried about Prime White because he had connections to his Family's Leaders.

#1





#2
SIU's Gossips
2. Koon is keeping a good relationship with someone in Koon family who is quite powerful now.
Source

SIU's Gossips
A.A. have quite strong political power and relationships in his family.
Source


#3
 
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How can you take something away from a character if that something was never apart of a character in the first place.
The main character having no personal agency is an enormous problem, regardless of when it came into being. I don't need Baam to be a master strategist. I need him to do what he wants and not follow other peoples' direction. If that results in some broken eggs then so be it.

Aside from Baam himself, literally any other character in the story could be maimed, killed. tortured, raped or all the above and I wouldn't care too much. Other than Yuri I guess. And Urek, but nobody's going to be doing anything to him.
 
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There is plenty of hint of it siu say that none of the prince of the red light district has zahard blood there just got some power that there shouldn't from zahard if there were zahard child there would probably have his blood and hwa ryun say there are the greatest mistake of zahard and the ten great families and Rachel say zahard fatal weakness that he tried to hide and the fact that there all seem to look a lot like zahard and act like him in some ways
Hints that they are Zahard clones or hints that they aren't his children?
 

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Sure arie hon is strong, but in which chapter he said that aside from him, eduan, and yurin rest of fh is incomparable??

Tell me which chapter, since u said it is confirmed by hon himself
Arie hon said only eduan and yurin is comparable to him
 

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The main character having no personal agency is an enormous problem, regardless of when it came into being. I don't need Baam to be a master strategist. I need him to do what he wants and not follow other peoples' direction. If that results in some broken eggs then so be it.

Aside from Baam himself, literally any other character in the story could be maimed, killed. tortured, raped or all the above and I wouldn't care too much. Other than Yuri I guess. And Urek, but nobody's going to be doing anything to him.
He should do what he wants WHEN it makes sense or when a plan goes wrong. He shouldn’t not listen to his strategists that’s a stupid thing to do, especially who you consider friends. When MC’s don’t listen to their friends advice in stories it usually means the MC is in the wrong…
 

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Arie hon said only eduan and yurin is comparable to him
No he didn't .
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He should do what he wants WHEN it makes sense or when a plan goes wrong. He shouldn’t not listen to his strategists that’s a stupid thing to do, especially who you consider friends. When MC’s don’t listen to their friends advice in stories it usually means the MC is in the wrong…
No it is not .

If you are adult you take you own desicion , you can hear people opinion but in the end you should be the own making desicion .

In the end Baam personality seems closer to that failure off a irregular . LPB .
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It just seems off , the behavior off LPB FH , i wonder if is real goal is the 4 squadron , it should Baam . Maybe it isn't as simple as it is and he want something from Baam , it will redundant but it seem to me the only way why a irregular would start a war with few thing to win .
 

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Arie Hon was never said to be the strongest after Zahard. That's very ubiquitous headcanon, but it's headcanon nonetheless.

What's canon is that Eduan is thd strongest in melee combat among the Family Heads (alongside Hon and Yurin):




200 years to become a Ranker and < a 100 years after that to become a High Ranker.
You have to put this in perspective. This is one of Eduans sons talking about his dad. (As I recall.) It is not word of god. Unlike other shows, just because a character say something does not mean that it is the voice of the author. It might just be that characters opinion.


It was never said in the story that Hon is the strongest.
We have official rankings of peoples strength. Hon is #5 and Eduan is #6. So Hon should be the stronger of the two even if just by a bit. And its possible that Eduan himself does not agree with this ranking. Just like how Urek does not agree that Phantamium should be ranked above him. But this ranking is the most plausible that we have available to us. Yurin is probably a fair bit weaker than those two however. Seeing as there are three other people in between her and Eduan in the rankings.

The Arie are the strongest Family but Hon was never said to be the strongest Family Head.
No! It is the opposite. Hon is the strongest family head, but we have no idea which family is the strongest. In fact, we have several times been told of the "three strongest families" that are above the others. But that characterization also means that people are unable to determine exactly which of these three (Arie, Khun, Ha) is the strongest.

Some qualities we know is that: Arie is the smallest family among the great families when counted in numbers. But the few members that exist are so overwhelmingly strong that they are still considered top 3.

Eduan has a lot of children and grand children. But they are often occupied with fighting one another so it is hard for the Khun family to move in force and unite against anything.

Every member of the Ha family is also a blood descendant of Ari Han (Not Arie Hon!) so they are actually related to two great warriors instead of just one.
 

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It just seems off , the behavior off LPB FH , i wonder if is real goal is the 4 squadron , it should Baam . Maybe it isn't as simple as it is and he want something from Baam , it will redundant but it seem to me the only way why a irregular would start a war with few thing to win .
It probably is just Baam. Any of the Great Families would do a lot of killing to get their hands on someone of his talent and pedigree. Just imagine what his children would be like if he mated with some daughter of the Ten. Or a Princess from them.

Like seriously, take the most extreme possible scenario. Baam has a kid with Eurasia Enne Zahard. That's mixing the blood of five Irregulars into a child (both of his parents, both of hers and Zahard's via infusion into the mother). Talk about a nightmare baby.
 

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No he didn't .
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No it is not .

If you are adult you take you own desicion , you can hear people opinion but in the end you should be the own making desicion .

In the end Baam personality seems closer to that failure off a irregular . LPB .
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It just seems off , the behavior off LPB FH , i wonder if is real goal is the 4 squadron , it should Baam . Maybe it isn't as simple as it is and he want something from Baam , it will redundant but it seem to me the only way why a irregular would start a war with few thing to win .
You shouldn’t only do your own ideas, now that’s childish. Bams friends might as well be his subordinates if he decides to only ever go with what he wants, that’s not how you treat your friends.

You should consider their opinion then sometimes do what they say and sometimes do your own thing, though considering Bam isn’t very intelligent character, it’s better to listen to the people who actually can think of things you can’t and take into account certain aspects of the the situation that you can’t, that’s what they’re there for.

Bam does have his own agency, HIS the reason this war started in the first place if you remember? He is the one who decided to go to war to get his master back. I would think if your the whole reason the war started in the first place and people went to war because of you, then you have your own dam agency.

Hell just in this arc, Bam litually decided to fight White by himself despite Arie telling him not too and he was putting us master at more risk yet he still did it, I didn’t like his choice but it was still his choice.

If anything in my opinion Bam needs to make sure he listens to people that are loyal and have the intelligence to back up their ideas.

He shouldn’t only do things his way then I’ll be questioning how much he cares about his friends considering he clearly wouldn’t care about their opinions if he only did things his way, which is pretty narrow minded.
 

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It probably is just Baam. Any of the Great Families would do a lot of killing to get their hands on someone of his talent and pedigree. Just imagine what his children would be like if he mated with some daughter of the Ten. Or a Princess from them.

Like seriously, take the most extreme possible scenario. Baam has a kid with Eurasia Enne Zahard. That's mixing the blood of five Irregulars into a child (both of his parents, both of hers and Zahard's via infusion into the mother). Talk about a nightmare baby.
Still a bug in the end honestly .
 

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Still a bug in the end honestly .
Not really a child between would have 6 irregular bloodline which would far surpass what enne could do with 3 irregular bloodline
Baam(Basically the most talented irregular, Copy every fuckin technique or skill if it doesn't require a specific bloodline,Devour everything,Fuse every martial art into one,the best shinsu quality(black shinsu) ,the best shinsu shape for shinsu tension,no weapon can harm you if it stabs into your stomach since it will get absorbed)
V(shinsu tension)
Arlene(Magician)
Zahard(Monstorous Physical Abilities)
Blossom (Offensive Shinsu)
Gustang(Supportive and Defensive Shinsu)

I can't understand how a child who has these bloodline would be referred as bug by gustang it's likely that he would even overthrow zahard from his throne lmao.
 
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