Games Mafia Game 97 - Omoneko: Answer Arc - End Game

[Copy Panda]

The witch shall praise the wise and bestow four treasures. One shall be all the gold from the Golden Land. One shall be the resurrection of all the dead souls. One shall be the resurrection of the love that was lost. One shall be to put the witch to sleep for all time.

Post-game
End of Game Death Post
End of Game Winner Post
Updated OP
Night Actions Umi I + Night Actions Umi II
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[Hardy]

and what is your point exactly?

I'll explain better when I'm on my desktop, maybe I'll do a little drawing too.

 

[Asako]

A little correction here: I did give a hint on day 1. Which was that my role active btw.

Also really @digitaldude ^^' couldn't you at least wait one night to try to confirm your sanity? Getting me lynched kills two townies lol. You and me. It feels like you are basically throwing your own role away like this.

I'm not against revealing if you guys want, I just would have liked to not be out in the bare open so early on tbh - to be actually be somewhat useful in this game.

Honestly don't see the use of revealing if it's only because DD, as honestly i suspect he bullshitting and baiting mafia
You be crazy if det reveal day 2 and even if he det, he knows no sanity

 

[Baka Taichou]

i'm trying to understand dd's claim but i can't.
here is how i see it, he's either :
1. Mafia, trying to get protection(s) on him while they kill someone else. If we Lynch marma based on his claim and she ends up being townie he’ll say oh well maybe I’m not sane after all
2.Townie doing idk what. Trying to lure mafia into killing him? I don’t think that would work cuz what detective claims on day2 without confirming their sanity. If it’s sus to townies it’s sus to Mafia as well, so they wouldn't fall for that.

is there something i'm missing. is there a valid reason for a townie detective to claim this early? would like to know the veterans opinion on this

exactly.

No i don;t think it's ever a good choice to pick D2 to reveal such an imp role. give hints but test sanity first.... wtf....

 

[Hardy]

@digitaldude care to explain why you felt the need to claim this early without confirming ur sanity? did u already explain that, and i missed it?

Tbf I've seen him do this at least thrice already. The last time he was scum though (Magi game, his mafia det had found farfalla so he pretended to be a town det and chase her down).

 

[Asako]

I think he baiting guys

 

[Evil3ye]

i'm trying to understand dd's claim but i can't.
here is how i see it, he's either :
1. Mafia, trying to get protection(s) on him while they kill someone else. If we Lynch marma based on his claim and she ends up being townie he’ll say oh well maybe I’m not sane after all
2.Townie doing idk what. Trying to lure mafia into killing him? I don’t think that would work cuz what detective claims on day2 without confirming their sanity. If it’s sus to townies it’s sus to Mafia as well, so they wouldn't fall for that.

is there something i'm missing. is there a valid reason for a townie detective to claim this early? would like to know the veterans opinion on this

Has to do with the detective priority being 2 and kill being 3 but turning into illusion and being able to share the results anyways. He said that already. Think it's bold but a valid play, as it in worst case would concentrate the mafia blockers on him, freeing other investigative roles to do their work. Weren't you also the blocked-but-alive spy that one time?

 

[Baka Taichou]

I'll explain better when I'm on my desktop, maybe I'll do a little drawing too.

gee thanks, really appreciate your dedication and nice way of calling me stupid. GG

 

[GrySun]

How to put this- I see the merit in your suggestion, but it's also ignoring the disadvantage. That being- protectors tying down themselves to one person, thus pretty much negating their use. Part of being a protector is anticipating a kill and saving someone. Your suggestion not only forces them to lazily restrict themselves, but they also pretty much make themselves redundant? And although I didn't mean for roles to go around intentionally popping illusions, I also see benefit in illusions going regardless. Because it's just much more overhead that even the said player is unsure of.
Tl;DR- protectors might as well just do their shit. I doubt even by D3/D4 there would be a solid enough reason for a protector to stick to one person cos they're sure said person is town.

You are missing my statements on changing the target depending on reveals or new info, or losing faith in that said person is town. You literally cannot anticipate kills with many parties, especially with the low info amount we currently have. It's a wasted effort. You may call it lazy, but the truth is that it's a very valid way to go during this current time where too much is unclear. You cannot anticipate anything here, hell you cannot even anticipate which one of the people you did not protect N1 are still alive. All you'd know in this case is that one N1 target that is living. If you trust he is town, protecting him forever is 100% the way to go until more is known, and even then could be a valid use.

And you keep ignoring how, in mafia's eyes, whether 1 person is always protected or always someone else anticipated, there is always a person that can't be killed due to Doc and they do not know who that is. D2 is shaping up to be similar to D1, so with lack of news this play is the right one.

But let's stop at this as it leads nowhere, and you're just hurting your credibility in my eyes atm honestly.

 

[Farfalla]

i'm trying to understand dd's claim but i can't.
here is how i see it, he's either :
1. Mafia, trying to get protection(s) on him while they kill someone else. If we Lynch marma based on his claim and she ends up being townie he’ll say oh well maybe I’m not sane after all
2.Townie doing idk what. Trying to lure mafia into killing him? I don’t think that would work cuz what detective claims on day2 without confirming their sanity. If it’s sus to townies it’s sus to Mafia as well, so they wouldn't fall for that.

is there something i'm missing. is there a valid reason for a townie detective to claim this early? would like to know the veterans opinion on this

Wouldn't be the first time DD claims early, I think even important roles. Personally, I don't see the benefit for a mafia to do that since no one seems to believe we only have one killing group in game - and even if it's to bait protection, there are some risks regarding that with this mechanic. So far he seems legit to me, even tho we won't know his sanity yet. Maybe knowing he can also be restored favored his early reveal.

 

[digitaldude]

@digitaldude care to explain why you felt the need to claim this early without confirming ur sanity? did u already explain that, and i missed it?

Cause of the mechanics, also im not the only detective. This info will help the others.

 

[Hardy]

I mean, I'm confident you are a scum playing dumb, not that.

 

[GrySun]

Can list a few reasons- illusions would largely keep us in the dark with regards to who is alive or dead and potential number of scum too. Keep in mind illusions are dead people, so scum would potentially be getting closer to their win con with us largely unaware. With such a large game, there's a high chance for mafia to manipulate lynches considering they have a fair idea of who might be an illusion already. I get Gry's point of illusions tanking kills (cos multiple scum parties), however, I feel like town ultimately is at an info disadvantage with regards to this. And yeah, there's deadpad restoring (or killing) illusions (forgot about that earlier)

Mafia is just as much in the info disadvantage with illusions not popping, as they cannot make a safe claim due to so many roles being unknown. Usually people would not claim til half the players are dead, making it much easier to do so.

 

[Baka Taichou]

Has to do with the detective priority being 2 and kill being 3 but turning into illusion and being able to share the results anyways. He said that already. Think it's bold but a valid play, as it in worst case would concentrate the mafia blockers on him, freeing other investigative roles to do their work. Weren't you also the blocked-but-alive spy that one time?

i was blocked but alive spy... and hoe too with the holt potato

 

[GrySun]

I still have a bit of work to do, will be back in a few hours with a recap.
Unfortunately, I still don't get all the mathematics behind the killing parties and so on, still need to go over the rules and roles again.
But from what I read until now the illusion mechanic is pretty chaotic even for the older players °

Ignore all that, play mafia game. List your suspects, ask questions. You look like you're just cruising along not trying to do much to stand out.

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i'm trying to understand dd's claim but i can't.
here is how i see it, he's either :
1. Mafia, trying to get protection(s) on him while they kill someone else. If we Lynch marma based on his claim and she ends up being townie he’ll say oh well maybe I’m not sane after all
2.Townie doing idk what. Trying to lure mafia into killing him? I don’t think that would work cuz what detective claims on day2 without confirming their sanity. If it’s sus to townies it’s sus to Mafia as well, so they wouldn't fall for that.

is there something i'm missing. is there a valid reason for a townie detective to claim this early? would like to know the veterans opinion on this

There could be many layers to it, but regardless it is not alignment indicative so the act itself won't help us discern whether he is town or mafia, so more something to keep in mind later imo.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

I haven’t read anything in this day phase yet. Irritated at what happened last night. Hippa stuff that can’t talk about. But a mistake was made. Not mine but someone under me did it. Everything seems to be ok but they want to cover it up instead of communicating to the doctors about it.

Did I rly miss a note saying killers get informed if they were successful or not? 'Cause otherwise that was some weird saying from you, Marcie, lmao.

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@Cinera @Crescent Jinx @digitaldude @Erinyes @Faust
Hint onegai

it’s a very good chance I’m the walking dead right now after what I said D1.

Will catch up soon before I go to work. I want to see what my target says.

 

[GrySun]

@Sakura Taichou can you claim your unimportant role please? Would like to know and could help you.

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Otherwise my vote is either going on Sakura or on an afk-ish person. Thinking Misha, Cinera or... list is likely bigger.

 

[Asako]

Misha, Cinera

But they new ?
There more veterans afk

 

[Evil3ye]

@Sakura Taichou can you claim your unimportant role please? Would like to know and could help you.

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Otherwise my vote is either going on Sakura or on an afk-ish person. Thinking Misha, Cinera or... list is likely bigger.

Is there a reason you are not considering Hardy vote? Besides the interesting last minute Van vote, there was no single hint from that direction either, he seem to be your blind spot this whole game so far though.

 

[shinobi]

Was busy and now I have 11 pages to read!! Not cool

 

[GrySun]

But they new ?
There more veterans afk

Being new or not does not in any way make it right. See examples of Shad or Heaven.