Games Mafia Game 97 - Omoneko: Answer Arc - End Game

[Copy Panda]

The witch shall praise the wise and bestow four treasures. One shall be all the gold from the Golden Land. One shall be the resurrection of all the dead souls. One shall be the resurrection of the love that was lost. One shall be to put the witch to sleep for all time.

Post-game
End of Game Death Post
End of Game Winner Post
Updated OP
Night Actions Umi I + Night Actions Umi II
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[digitaldude]

Why are we discussing killing townie, we need to vote on who we think the mafia is.

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@Erinyes while Gry waits.

Let talk.



You need to ask me more specific question, but too get the ball rolling.

Would you claim recruiter to save Daws?

If yes: would then waste your vote and let Daws die?

did you use your defuse role?

 

[Shad]

Why are we discussing killing townie, we need to vote on who we think the mafia is.

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did you use your defuse role?

Not yet, still have the ability.
I can use it in the end game to confirm if I'm an illusion or not, but that irrelevant now, since I'm the one getting lycheed today by the look of it.

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FYI, I'm not voting Gry,

Gry didn't look like one of the Red scum, and I've already found the TP, It Van.

So I'm voting Van only or Nii since there 'recruiter' also didn't pick him for yesterday lynch, but I'm not confident about Nii, I'm confident about Van.

That it, if these 2 are not voted today, then I'm not voting.

 

[Erinyes]

Would you claim recruiter to save Daws?

That my issue with Van. when did Son got recruited N1 or N2

 

[Shad]

That my issue with Van. when did Son got recruited N1 or N2

Daws said he was recruited N2

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@Copy Panda @Purity of Magi

If a mafia pirate steals the recruiter role.
Can he recruit townies with it?

 

[Purity of Magi]

Daws said he was recruited N2

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@Copy Panda @Purity of Magi

If a mafia pirate steals the recruiter role.
Can he recruit townies with it?

What a very interesting and thoughtful question. I wonder.. hm.. let's see.... if a mafia pirate steals a role.. can he/she use it?
Personally, it will steal a role just for giggles and recruiting chips.

 

[Erinyes]

Ok so your theory is that Van is mafia pirate, who stole Mason recruiter role from Haya and who recruited N1 lambu and N2 Son ?
- Haya recruited on N1 Misha, she got no result on N2 (likely died by targetting mafia), she didnt use her role on N3, and got no result on N4. That could work if she hadnt recruited anyone on N1, since from N2 she never recruited again, i do think she died by targetting Crescent tho. But she recruited on N1. So 2 masons were recruited, that's why your theory is weird.

That said Im det, so priority 2 . I can target tonight Haya :
- if she dies it means she was an illusion, and my action would made her pop
- if she's still here next round it means, she was not an illusion up to Night 5. even if scum kills her, she would become an illusion after my night action. Does it make sense ?

But out of curiousity why are you so certain of that theory of yours ? your tenacity makes you even more suspicious.

 

[Nii]

@GrySun All your salt aside, you still haven't said a word about who you investigated last nightphase.

I see the whole pirate town as a role meant to save a role from someone who could be killed due to his/her hints/reveal. therefore I wold have stolen likely Evil or Tatsu roles if I were pirate, the most useful ones.
A mafia pirate would likely do the same, they usually aim for the more useful roles so townies are deprived from them, thats why targetting gry seems weird imo.
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You are right about that, but what is the point in me taking, say a doctor role? At this point I would still openly have to claim, and everyone, including mafia, would know that the role likely switched to me. Not like I could say "I will reveal in due time which role I got", not enough people would believe me.

I stole from Gry because like you, I suspected him, and we just had way too many detective claims. Thought if I don't receive a PM that confirms I stole the role, I could tell everyone that my pirating failed, which would have made it very likely Gry is mafia. If not, we have a confirmed townie. And I think you and someone else investigated him already, so that could help with identifying sanities. Felt like the best option by that time.

Well we dont know who is alive, who is not.

Anyway I m still voting gry for same reasons as yesterday but willing to change if there are new reveals/infos. I hesitated between him and shad but both are equally suspicious... I m still not convinced with some stuff like avenger, pirate... and i need to hear aboout holt targets. ah andt theres shobu...

Votekill gry for now

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8th day playing and still 20 players in the game ! at this point we will never reach the end !

I m wondering how many among us are illusions.

Please don't Erin, he's townie. He can't be third party or mafia, or else I couldn't have stolen his role. I get you don't trust him because I was the same, but we should look for other suspects.

 

[Baka Taichou]

What.a tp again?

 

[Erinyes]

What.a tp again?

3rd party

 

[Shad]

Ok so your theory is that Van is mafia pirate, who stole Mason recruiter role from Haya and who recruited N1 lambu and N2 Son ?
- Haya recruited on N1 Misha, she got no result on N2 (likely died by targetting mafia), she didnt use her role on N3, and got no result on N4. That could work if she hadnt recruited anyone on N1, since from N2 she never recruited again, i do think she died by targetting Crescent tho. But she recruited on N1. So 2 masons were recruited, that's why your theory is weird.

That said Im det, so priority 2 . I can target tonight Haya :
- if she dies it means she was an illusion, and my action would made her pop
- if she's still here next round it means, she was not an illusion up to Night 5. even if scum kills her, she would become an illusion after my night action. Does it make sense ?

But out of curiousity why are you so certain of that theory of yours ? your tenacity makes you even more suspicious.

I see, this makes a lot of sense!
Can you tell me if it also doesn't work with Lambu being the recruiter that they stole from?

Like the technical reasons as you did with haya

 

[GrySun]

@GrySun All your salt aside, you still haven't said a word about who you investigated last nightphase.

I have, right after you asked.

 

[Nii]

Ok so your theory is that Van is mafia pirate, who stole Mason recruiter role from Haya and who recruited N1 lambu and N2 Son ?
- Haya recruited on N1 Misha, she got no result on N2 (likely died by targetting mafia), she didnt use her role on N3, and got no result on N4. That could work if she hadnt recruited anyone on N1, since from N2 she never recruited again, i do think she died by targetting Crescent tho. But she recruited on N1. So 2 masons were recruited, that's why your theory is weird.

That said Im det, so priority 2 . I can target tonight Haya :
- if she dies it means she was an illusion, and my action would made her pop
- if she's still here next round it means, she was not an illusion up to Night 5. even if scum kills her, she would become an illusion after my night action. Does it make sense ?

But out of curiousity why are you so certain of that theory of yours ? your tenacity makes you even more suspicious.

I think Haya is safe tbh, she claimed so early, by that point it was a pretty huge gamble to say you're a recruiter.

Also yes the theory from Shad doesn't work, because you only receive the role after the nightphase is over. But he very likely recruited two people (Lambu, Daws), so he couldn't have stolen the masion recruiter N1. So far me, Vandred is more or less confirmed townie as well.

 

[Shad]

I think Haya is safe tbh, she claimed so early, by that point it was a pretty huge gamble to say you're a recruiter.

Also yes the theory from Shad doesn't work, because you only receive the role after the nightphase is over. But he very likely recruited two people (Lambu, Daws), so he couldn't have stolen the masion recruiter N1. So far me, Vandred is more or less confirmed townie as well.

If he steals the recruiter on N1, I think he still recruits.
And the pirate and the N1 target became both in a group.

 

[Erinyes]

I think Haya is safe tbh, she claimed so early, by that point it was a pretty huge gamble to say you're a recruiter.

Yeah i know, that shes cleared 200% in my eyes. but what shad implies is that her role was stolen, by mafia pirate. I honestly dont think so, but i can check.

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[Shad]

Yeah i know, that shes cleared 200% in my eayes. but what shad implies is that her role was stolen, by mafia pirate. I honestly dont think so, but i can check.

Lambu is the second recruiter

 

[Erinyes]

Also yes the theory from Shad doesn't work, because you only receive the role after the nightphase is over.

Yeah that was my whole point and why i dont get at all why he keeps bringing that, it could have worked if only a mason recruited, on N1, theres no way a Pirate could steal a MR on N1 and use it on N1.

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Lambu is the second recruiter

Oh no its not possible at all. he would have died as townie not as mason.

 

[Shad]

Oh no its not possible at all. he would have died as townie not as mason.

This is the only reason people bring up to counter.
Can you quote the rules, I don't trust panda!

I'm joking.

I mean could this be somehow not true you think.
I can't think further than this point.

You solve this, we know for sure if van is confirmed or no.

 

[Nii]

N1 Holt innocent
N2 Haya innocent
N3 Tatsu no result
N4 Mazino innocent

I thought I was an Illusion but I can confirm that they still have an Escort that can block players. Why they never blocked Evil before he confirmed a bunch of townies I don‘t know, but I‘d assume it‘s the same guy that blocked Erin. Was waiting to see if anyone claims to have been blocked today so I can vouch for them, but nobody is saying it which is strange.

Perhaps the Escort had to kill since it‘s the last member with Demon‘s death yesterday? If they really had 2 Escorts.

Sorry, missed this one before. It's true that's kind of strange, could be what you said. Or the Escort (maybe even a Prositute) blocked someone who didn't use an action, or a mafia member. Ofc maybe there's no prositute at all, but shouldn't be impossible?

About your results, hard to say what to make of it. Erin has two confirmed townies on her list (you and James IIRC), and you kind of have one (Haya), so both of you could still be naive... Erin feels like the more likely sane detective, but no way to confirm it atm.

Which reminds me of Holt's avenger claim, funny how no one really questioned that.

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If he steals the recruiter on N1, I think he still recruits.
And the pirate and the N1 target became both in a group.

I just pirated last night, I know how it works I only got the PM after the nightphase was over, there's no way to perform your action the same night you steal the role.

Yeah i know, that shes cleared 200% in my eyes. but what shad implies is that her role was stolen, by mafia pirate. I honestly dont think so, but i can check.

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You could, but that would be a waste for your investigation. You need to find out your sanity, so probably best to target the most suspicious. If you still distrust Gry too much next dayphase, you can check him, but I can only say he's 100% innocent, else I couldn't have received his role.

 

[Erinyes]

Which reminds me of Holt's avenger claim, funny how no one really questioned that.

I did in my coms earlier (twice i think )

 

[GrySun]

If he steals the recruiter on N1, I think he still recruits.
And the pirate and the N1 target became both in a group.

This is not how it works. Pirate is not Necromancer.