Chapter Tower of God Chapter 517 Spoilers & Discussion

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[Jyu viole grace]

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Tower Of God Chapter 517 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[EternalWinter]

Ascencio saying he can fight White now, and Khun not trusting him...hmmm

Could we get a double cross?

 

[Sanity Check]

Ascencio saying he can fight White now, and Khun not trusting him...hmmm

Could we get a double cross?

Mexican standoff.

 

[EternalWinter]

Mexican standoff.

Love WLOP

I meant more, AA doesn't trust his brother, and Asencio oddly muses he could take white now

I don't think Vicente will ever betray Baam again. But this other blue bastard....maybe

 

[Sanity Check]

Love WLOP

I meant more, AA doesn't trust his brother, and Asencio oddly muses he could take white now

I don't think Vicente will ever betray Baam again. But this other blue bastard....maybe

Did Asensio journey with them in search of suspendium booty?

Looks like he stayed behind.

 

[Anzere1stclass]

Eh, his mother is a Ha, and we don't know who his father is.

He was also raised as a Ha (and so learned their techniques).

Dude jinsung grandfather maternal is ari han the head of the ari family

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who is this guy ??

A branch leader of where that spider guy who is fighting love come from

 

[Cinera]

We already know that. Ascension already called out Cinera's narrative of Maschenny being the strongest character in the Nest by telling Khun that there are far more dangerous groups trying to get the Irregular's ass.

The Family Leaders are much more dangerous than Maschenny, and they are also after Baam. Asensio saying more dangerous people/organisations than them are after Maschenny doesn't imply that those groups/organisations are present in the Nest.

Well, people from the Lo Po Bia Family and the Zahard Army are at the Nest, but not their leaders.

Why he would make such comment if even White Prime is not strong enough to side with Maschenny anyways? That's the point. Why someone currently siding with Maschenny compares himself with White, the weakling?

Asensio is Maschenny's subordinate not her ally.

I agree with you aboutt the comment of "Not strong enough" is about his group as a whole. Baam is not strong enough like Urek to pull off the weight of useless characters nor has strong enough allies to again carry the weight of the rest.

Maschenny said that Baam and his allies are not strong enough to side with her.

I sincerely wanted to understand why the hell you guys interpreted HJ's speech as if he was talking about Maschenny's strength, the whole context is about her intelligence and how she brought chaos to this war, for God's sake

Jinsung explicitly does not know what Maschenny is planning or up to. She straight up told him that she wouldn't tell him yet. So no, that context isn't exactly apparent.

Regardless of whether he's talking about her strength or intelligence, or both, he was obviously speaking euphemistically and with hyperbole.

Nope. He was genuinely serious. Maschenny is someone that's far more dangerous than he could have ever imagined.

they tried with Enne, but even the sword was "mad"

Enne was sealed. Her weapon wasn't taken away as a punishment.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

Ok, read the fan Edited Manga...

Seems weird that evankhel would be separated from YHS and lefav. Only thing I can think of is that they were sent to random portals since there were two of them.

Lefav is immediately in a bad position, specially considering she has already fired her two shots. I wonder if perhaps YHS' wave controlling can be of use to her since he is excellent at support. Then again in front of lyborick even YHS should be useless. I suppose the army would have found out of her betrayal the moment she step on a cat tower but I can't imagine how she thought this would lead to her surviving. I suppose her plan could have been to walk to the other side of the portal to get away...

So jinsung will have a role to play here as well... I wonder in what condition he is in currently. Given the time that has passed it doesn't sound like a stretch that he would be fully healed but him not being at 100% also makes sense. The only thing I can imagine mascheny offering to him is sort of a way to prepare a escape route of sorts from when bam makes it out, if he makes it. But if he makes too much of a show it will be mostly obvious that mascheny has committed treason. As jinsung escaping is a really ludicrous development. I suppose she could set up some patsy or have jinsung help her stage a show of sorts to make her look good... Still, mascheny is a hair away from being discovered as a massive traitor.

So the big question now is what is inside the suspendium. At this moment I am getting hidden floor vibes. Though something fancier since it can apparently contain high ranker level people. Unlike the original hidden floor that just crumbled upon stronger powers.

Something that continues to strike me as odd is asencio... Mascheny just went and sent him there while making the point that maybe bam can pull off a escape due to being an irregular. Mascheny is an unhinged bloodthirsty lunatic but even for her it's weird to just send in asencio like that. He is a branch leader from the khun family ffs... I don't expect mascheny to feel any sort of familial love for him at all (or to even have the capacity for any emotion other than murder boners) but even then it sounds extreme that she would pretty much fart away a branch leader over such odds. So I can BS... Something is up with asencio.

As far as I recall, every time one uses the teleporter it needs to recharge for a long time to work again. In other words, Bam using it beforehand will in fact prevent Jinsung from being sealed. The whole point of this arc Isn't Mascheny hunting Bam down: as soon as she heard of the irregular, she setup a plan to lure him there and use him to retrieve some item from the vault that she longed for but couldn't get. Lo Po Bia are being used by them (Khun) like cattle.

Ofc, second check point of Mascheny's quest is to come out of this unsuspected. Which is fairly easy since she's got FUG and the Irregular to blame. And that's where Asencio's role comes in just right: no witnesses. He is a Khun, I doubt the injuries he caused can be linked to him in the autopsy. I doubt there are cameras there or any registry of their conversations with the Irregular. There is even no need to discuss this part: a camera that can be accessed externally to a top military comander's office is a no no. She is safe in that regard alright.

Jinsung Ha escaping can also be blamed on FUG and the Irregular. She was pretending to have trouble handling him until Kallavan arrived afterall.

But then the 3rd check point comes into the horizon: whatever it is Mascheny needs to get from there, if it stays with Mas it will be both 1) detectable, they will know she is holding it, and 2) she will have no reason whatsoever to *not* return it where it belongs. Meaning she can't have it either way, she needs to place it in someone else's care. Perhaps it will turn out her plan is indeed getting the third Thorn to Bam and he getting it will suffice. Or perhaps the thing really is undetectable and she will blame Bam for taking it while she has it hidden with her.

Either way, being a Khun family business, I doubt it'll end with this arc. I think this will all unfold into a future plot at the end.

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Dude jinsung grandfather maternal is ari han the head of the ari family

Nope, he is Yuri's family.

 

[Cinera]

He's important enough Fug to cause them to raid the nest.

Yeah, Maschenny planned for him to do that:

Unless Mas thinks Fug is weak....

She almost certainly does. At least, they are not comparable to a Great Family.

While FUG is weak in the big picture, are they compared to Mas as an individual?

Maschenny isn't just an individual here. She has her own faction, and we're not sure who besides Asensio is a member of that faction.

We don't know how Maschenny's faction compares to FUG. I don't think it matters all that much though. Maschenny did not kidnap Jinsung for his connection to FUG, but for his connection to Baam and to the Ha Family:

Maschenny wants to obtain the special card called "Irregular":

And also to be able to move the Ha Family:

FUG wasn't a motivating factor for her. They aren't the reason that she made her gambit for Jinsung.

Really? You think Fug is weak to the point that they don't deserve to take sides but to be used a pawn?

Yes. FUG were used as pawns by Gustang in Season 2, and now Maschenny is using them in this conflict between the Lo Po Bia and Po Bidau Families.

I'm just commenting that she (Maschenny) has no basis to claim that Baam is too weak to side with her

How does she have no basis? She's been monitoring him throughout the Nest. Her evaluation isn't lacking any information.

 

[lyl]

( How can Maschenny get out of this place without punishment )
Adori : How did they capture you ?
Maschenny : I totally let myself be captured , I mean I was perfectly capable of beating 2 elders , 3 slayers , 1 irregular , an ex floor ruler , a company commander that turned on us , some other ancient anti Zahard fighter's all jumping me at once , right ?
Adori : ...

 

[Cinera]

( How can Maschenny get out of this place without punishment )
Adori : How did they capture you ?
Maschenny : I totally let myself be captured , I mean I was perfectly capable of beating 2 elders , 3 slayers , 1 irregular , an ex floor ruler , a company commander that turned on us , some other ancient anti Zahard fighter's all jumping me at once , right ?
Adori : ...

She's not getting captured. That would require relinquishing her position of power in the Zahard Army and the Khun Family.

And right now, those two forces are more powerful than FUG.

 

[lyl]

She's not getting captured. That would require relinquishing her position of power in the Zahard Army and the Khun Family.

And right now, those two forces are more powerful than FUG.

1 - That was more of a joke on an earlier reply .

2 - not necessarily " captured " but " beaten " by said group while guarding Jinsung , her being stronger or not isn't a factor as she could argue that they teamed up on her , freed Jinsung , looted the crustal , and ran away after deciding beating her at that point isn't worth staying with the FH's on the way .

3 - losing to this group shouldn't effect her placement in the Khun family nor the army .

 

[Cinera]

1 - That was more of a joke on an earlier reply .

Fair enough.

2 - not necessarily " captured " but " beaten " by said group while guarding Jinsung , her being stronger or not isn't a factor as she could argue that they teamed up on her , freed Jinsung , looted the crustal , and ran away after deciding beating her at that point isn't worth staying with the FH's on the way .

The Lo Po Bia Army is coming through the portals. The people that are outnumbered is FUG not the Zahard Army.

3 - losing to this group shouldn't effect her placement in the Khun family nor the army .

Becoming a hostage would have.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

Yeah, Maschenny planned for him to do that:

She almost certainly does. At least, they are not comparable to a Great Family.



Maschenny isn't just an individual here. She has her own faction, and we're not sure who besides Asensio is a member of that faction.

We don't know how Maschenny's faction compares to FUG. I don't think it matters all that much though. Maschenny did not kidnap Jinsung for his connection to FUG, but for his connection to Baam and to the Ha Family:

Maschenny wants to obtain the special card called "Irregular":

And also to be able to move the Ha Family:

FUG wasn't a motivating factor for her. They aren't the reason that she made her gambit for Jinsung.



Yes. FUG were used as pawns by Gustang in Season 2, and now Maschenny is using them in this conflict between the Lo Po Bia and Po Bidau Families.



How does she have no basis? She's been monitoring him throughout the Nest. Her evaluation isn't lacking any information.

Fug is weak compared to the 10 families, but it's absurd to think they are weaker than Mas faction.

The real players in this war are Z, LPB, and PB. Mas is nowhere strong or influential enough to be a real player.

Fug is strong enough to oppose the 10 families in the open and still thrive. While Mas on the other hand, has to play all her games behind closed doors simply because she'd get crushed instantly.

Fug only got manipulated due to her schemes and not because her strength or influence is greater. Should half of what she has done get out to Z, she'd be in the prison cell right next to Yuri.

 

[lianecel]

As far as I recall, every time one uses the teleporter it needs to recharge for a long time to work again. In other words, Bam using it beforehand will in fact prevent Jinsung from being sealed. The whole point of this arc Isn't Mascheny hunting Bam down: as soon as she heard of the irregular, she setup a plan to lure him there and use him to retrieve some item from the vault that she longed for but couldn't get. Lo Po Bia are being used by them (Khun) like cattle.

Ofc, second check point of Mascheny's quest is to come out of this unsuspected. Which is fairly easy since she's got FUG and the Irregular to blame. And that's where Asencio's role comes in just right: no witnesses. He is a Khun, I doubt the injuries he caused can be linked to him in the autopsy. I doubt there are cameras there or any registry of their conversations with the Irregular. There is even no need to discuss this part: a camera that can be accessed externally to a top military comander's office is a no no. She is safe in that regard alright.

Jinsung Ha escaping can also be blamed on FUG and the Irregular. She was pretending to have trouble handling him until Kallavan arrived afterall.

But then the 3rd check point comes into the horizon: whatever it is Mascheny needs to get from there, if it stays with Mas it will be both 1) detectable, they will know she is holding it, and 2) she will have no reason whatsoever to *not* return it where it belongs. Meaning she can't have it either way, she needs to place it in someone else's care. Perhaps it will turn out her plan is indeed getting the third Thorn to Bam and he getting it will suffice. Or perhaps the thing really is undetectable and she will blame Bam for taking it while she has it hidden with her.

Either way, being a Khun family business, I doubt it'll end with this arc. I think this will all unfold into a future plot at the end.

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Nope, he is Yuri's family.

Bruh literally everyone in ha family is also ari family cause yurin just have 2 twin daughter from ari han

 

[Cinera]

Fug is weak compared to the 10 families, but it's absurd to think they are weaker than Mas faction.

We don't know who or what Maschenny's faction is, so I wouldn't be so sure.

The real players in this war are Z, LPB, and PB. Mas is nowhere strong or influential enough to be a real player.

Jinsung says otherwise:

Army of Zahard. The Ten Great Families.

And you,

If all of you shared the same goal and thoughts,

Things wouldn't have become this complicated, don't you think?

Fug is strong enough to oppose the 10 families in the open and still thrive. While Mas on the other hand, has to play all her games behind closed doors simply because she'd get crushed instantly.

Per SIU, FUG cannot compare to a single Great Family.

 

[Scarecrow758]

As I've said Maschenny wants that daughter of Gustang 13th month. She is a princess, their goal is to collect all the weapons of the 13 month series.

 

[undecimber]

FUG is a pretty decentralized organization, so it's not surprising it can't beat a unified great family that also has the backing of Zahard's army. Similarly, Wingtree isn't equivalent to a great family either - but that doesn't mean Urek is any weaker than the family heads.

However, Luslec is apparently equivalent to a family head, since he can't interfere without one getting involved. Given LPB and PB are already at odds with one another, he might show up since Gustang appears to be aligned with his interests.

As for Maschenny, she may be interested in progressing through the tower beyond what Zahard has conquered, so perhaps she sent Baam to fetch for another 13 month series.

 

[Cinera]

Give us a proof that, Prime white is weaker than maschenny then? Don't write that baby dragon in here btw,it's entirely due to her scheme interfering with that kind of war which includes many bigshots. You guys might have a character to simp for and can like as much as you want but don't try to claim things you don't have any single evidence. Simply by feats and statements, Prime white is still stronger than both kallavan and maschenny. That's the end of conclusion,nothing more.

Maschenny told the Baam that defeated White and White that they were too weak to side with her.

But Mas isn't FH level either. Why does she deserve to pick a side while Baam gets used as a pawn?

Maschenny isn't picking a side; she is her own side. Baam is not at a level, where he can side with anyone (including her).

You don't need to be on the level of the Family Heads to be able to play the game. We don't actually know what the requirements to play are. But Maschenny is clearly participating in the game.

Let's get realistic for a moment the baby dragon comment was purely about her scheming nothing else masch cannot be the strongest in the same nest as? Jinsung(as we have seen before the last station), kallavan, lyb and maybe even Evankhell. She commands as much power over these ppl because of her position nothing else, while I don't expect them to 1 hit her she's certainly not beating any of these ppl 1v1

Keep coping. None of those people you mentioned are above her.

If she didn't have Jisung hostage, do you think she'll still be talking to Baam from such a high horse?

If she didn't have Jinsung hostage, Baam wouldn't be at the Nest.

Not to the point of being used a a pawn by someone like Mas.

What does "someone like Maschenny" mean? And well, Jinsung, Baam and Baam's allies in FUG have been used as pawns by Maschenny. So whatever you think of her, she has in fact made pawns of them.

they at most have the strength of a family.

Per SIU, they cannot compare to any of the Great Families:

Top 15 High Rankers Character Profiles: Grace Mirchea Luslec

But this doesn't mean that FUG's influence in the tower rivals the 10 families. As long as the family heads have formed pacts with the guardian and manage the tower, FUG's influence cannot surpass the power of the heads no matter how strong it gets.

The fact that she says Baam is weak doesn't mean that she is correct. That's just her own limited perspective.

How is it limited. She's been keenly observing Baam throughout the Nest.

 

[Kunrin]

Maschenny told the Baam that defeated White and White that they were too weak to side with her.



Maschenny isn't picking a side; she is her own side. Baam is not at a level, where he can side with anyone (including her).

You don't need to be on the level of the Family Heads to be able to play the game. We don't actually know what the requirements to play are. But Maschenny is clearly participating in the game.



Keep coping. None of those people you mentioned are above her.



If she didn't have Jinsung hostage, Baam wouldn't be at the Nest.



What does "someone like Maschenny" mean? And well, Jinsung, Baam and Baam's allies in FUG have been used as pawns by Maschenny. So whatever you think of her, she has in fact made pawns of them.



Per SIU, they cannot compare to any of the Great Families:

Top 15 High Rankers Character Profiles: Grace Mirchea Luslec




How is it limited. She's been keenly observing Baam throughout the Nest.

What are you saying, it's unlikely if Mas saw Bam beat White. And if she did and is still saying this nonsense seriously, then she's being stupid. Bam has far more right than her to pick a side. Just by virtue of being an irregular. He not a 'card' that she's qualified to use. She's too full of herself. Bam is equal to the ten FH's. If he's just a pawn, then Mas is no better than trash. She's probably going to get owned hard at this rate. No one gets screwed over more than a bitch who doesn't understand her place.
I like her, she's cool. But her pride and craziness is clearly clouding her judgement here.

 

[kkck]

As far as I recall, every time one uses the teleporter it needs to recharge for a long time to work again. In other words, Bam using it beforehand will in fact prevent Jinsung from being sealed. The whole point of this arc Isn't Mascheny hunting Bam down: as soon as she heard of the irregular, she setup a plan to lure him there and use him to retrieve some item from the vault that she longed for but couldn't get. Lo Po Bia are being used by them (Khun) like cattle.

Ofc, second check point of Mascheny's quest is to come out of this unsuspected. Which is fairly easy since she's got FUG and the Irregular to blame. And that's where Asencio's role comes in just right: no witnesses. He is a Khun, I doubt the injuries he caused can be linked to him in the autopsy. I doubt there are cameras there or any registry of their conversations with the Irregular. There is even no need to discuss this part: a camera that can be accessed externally to a top military comander's office is a no no. She is safe in that regard alright.

Jinsung Ha escaping can also be blamed on FUG and the Irregular. She was pretending to have trouble handling him until Kallavan arrived afterall.

But then the 3rd check point comes into the horizon: whatever it is Mascheny needs to get from there, if it stays with Mas it will be both 1) detectable, they will know she is holding it, and 2) she will have no reason whatsoever to *not* return it where it belongs. Meaning she can't have it either way, she needs to place it in someone else's care. Perhaps it will turn out her plan is indeed getting the third Thorn to Bam and he getting it will suffice. Or perhaps the thing really is undetectable and she will blame Bam for taking it while she has it hidden with her.

Either way, being a Khun family business, I doubt it'll end with this arc. I think this will all unfold into a future plot at the end.

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Nope, he is Yuri's family.

As of now what we have is the gang neatly pulling of a switcheroo with jinsung... Without there being any indication for the army that jinsung had been reached. This reeks of inside job. At some point someone will have to explain how bam got to the suspendium or how jinsung broke free of his prison which was meant to contain high rankers like him. I suppose we also can't rule out this being part of the army's plan in general... Though it'd be weird if whatever was sealed inside the suspendium probably by zahard is something zahard wants out. I still think the colorless december or rainbow undecimber in there...