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Tower Of God Chapter 517 - Alpha Scans
Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...
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White was on that ship when Maschenny told them that they were too weak to side with her. And she could see the people on the ship.
Asensio is not siding with Maschenny.
No, Maschenny meant to ally with her, or with any of the other players in the game. She didn't say that Baam and Co are too weak to become her subordinates; she said that they are too weak to become her allies.
Maschenny casually negged with no effort, someone that could face Asensio head on.
No. Maschenny had no intention of fighting Jinsung from the start. She wanted him to fight Kallavan. This was so that:
- She could set up Baam vs Kallavan.
- Baam would recognise how weak he was and seek strength.
- Baam would rally FUG to avenge/rescue his master.
And Jinsung later admits that he was oh so very wrong.
I don't think Maschenny is in the Top 30 Rankings, so nah.
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THat ari family thing is weird , Ha show no other traits outside off having a tough body .
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If there's only 2 children of Yurin, then all 3rd gen Ha are from the twins, which are 50-50 Ha and Ari by blood. They could at most be 50% Ha, and never more (unless a twin was incestuous with Yurin). Depending on how much time passed and when the twin bred with another, it's possible to have subsequent generations of Ari bred into the bloodline.
In other words, ALL Ha (except Yurin) are no more than 50% Ha, ever. They could, in theory, get more Ari blood however. But that would likely be watered down.
Even considering incest there is no one else to offer Ha blood at Jinsung's generation to one of the twins except Yurin herself. So, ewww.
TBF, 'born' can mean anything. Beta was born, Wangnan was born in the RLD, Aria was 'born' as well?
And, who knows if SIU even sticks to those old posts - he's already blown up some of them entirely.
Yes, but you can see him jogging it off!
The spider branch leader most likely. It's who Sicario is reporting to.
OK, who are you referring to?
I didn't realize the team connection, thanks. TBF, maybe he was just pulling from the same team to give names to Khuns - teams being familial. That's not 100% certainty of alignment of goals IMO.
Not sure what you're 'noping' about.
I agree that he's talking about her being more dangerous than he initially imagined.
But I said he's doing that with a euphemism (a drake or dragon) - that's accurate and true.
I also said he's being hyperbolic ('that the sea cannot contain') - OK, that's beyond obviously hyperbolic. If that were literal (again, this is a euphemism so it isn't), that would mean she is literally too large for the ocean, and that would put her on a planetary scale. That's even beyond the FH, and ofc he didn't mean to put her on or above them.
Keep in mind he didn't stop at talk of drakes and dragons. The modifier is "that likes to fight about"
This means that he's talking about her ability to cause chaos and disrupt. At first he imagined a small beast causing minor tremors in the water (tower). Now, he's realizing her actions are having tower-wide repercussions and waves.
Context is key, and he's talking about her ability to 'fight about' specifically.
He didn't qualify if he was referring to her ability to cause disruption was due to her raw fighting ability, her intellect and scheming, or both.
But again, context is key and the context here is he is making remarks in response to seeing her scheming, not her flexing in the mirror or shooting a kamehameha out into the sea parting the waves. So, it's MOST LIKELY a remark about her intellect/ability to scheme that he's referencing when talking about her going from a snek to a BABY dragon - that likes to fight about again being the modifier. Her lust for mayhem is greater than he could have imagined.
This is not raw talk of power leveling.
He's speaking poetically.
He's also stopping short of using it as a literal hierarchy in which other key players are included - the FH, himself, White, Baam, etc. Where do the FH's sit... are they dragons the solar system cannot contain? The universe? The upper limits are absurd because he's not creating a power scale as the transition from snek to dragon isn't meant to be literal or be inclusive for all other beings - it's like a parable specifically about her (it doesn't have to address anyone else' strength, the imagery is meant to show the growth of her lust for chaos and nothing more - not everyone needs to be included in the parable by extension).
Thus, we still cannot use his words as gospel as to whether he still considers himself weaker than Mas in combat. I don't think he does.
He's technically correct. ALL Ha's are genetically also Ari's as well. And they start with pure 50-50 ratio of each. At most they can be 50% Ha, but in theory could get more Ari blood - but never any more Ha blood. (short of Yurin getting frisky with one of her own)
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Why is it unlikely?
Or she's exactly right, and current Baam just isn't that great yet.
He has the potential, but the current him is still too weak.
She's been using him quite splendidly so far.
No, he's not. He may be in the future, but he's not right now.
Maschenny has in fact made a pawn out of Baam.
Sounds like cope. Seethe harder.
Of course it's an inside job, Maschenny is a traitor.
Yes, Maschenny will have several questions to answer. How she intends to cover this up would be interesting to see.
No, you can. Maschenny is working for her own ends, not for the Army's. The plan to seal Jinsung in the Frozen Waterfall, was just an excuse she devised to raid Daddy's treasure house (or to trap the Irregular there).
She never had any intention of sealing Jinsung there in the first place and mislead both Army HQ and the Lo Po Bia Family.
If it's an item that Maschenny will indeed obtain, then a 13 Months Weapon seems to be the most likely.
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I'm fairly confident everyone I mentioned is, the only difference is that what I state has been proven.
Her attacks were useless against jinsung so HJ>Masch
Kallavan beat Hj so
Kallavan>>Masch
Lyb was sent to get rid of Kallavan so in theory
Lyb >= Kallavan hence Lyb>>Masch
And before you speak on Hj,the first meeting she attacked seriously at the end and my boy took 0 damage, also if I play against lebron james with 2 broken arms and I won...that doesnt make me a better basketball player
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You rolled a critical failure at reading comprehension if you think she was actually trying to hurt Jinsung.
We've never actually seen Maschenny fight seriously.
Maschenny was there to chat with and manipulate Jinsung, not to actually hurt him or even to capture him.
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I'm 100% open to Mas being stronger than Jinsung. Or the opposite. Or White vs any of those two. Add Kallavan. Or Lyb. Or Yama. Or Yas. Or EVK. Or Khell. Or Baam at this point FFS. etc etc etc
All we have is this rough framework where a lot of characters are loosely 'top 100'...
SIU is horrible about power-scaling. Most if not all the high-level fights are left with vague conclusions. The results are rarely, if ever, 'clean' - there's always some confounding issue. Someone JUST depleted all their energy in a previous fight. Or has an arm sealed. Or isn't fully-powered 'prime'. Or had another person jump in last minute. Or had 'fear' on them, making them weaker vs their opponent. Or held back to reserve power. Or didn't fully decompress. Or didn't use all their power for concern of involving the floor ruler. Or Or Or OR
We never have settled facts. Unless you have something like Doom fighting Gado with a clear distinction between their power levels and a one-shot clean death, we are left scratching our heads in who was really the victor in the fight we just witnessed. This has been most of S3 and a large portion of S2 when the heavy-hitters came on the scene.
SIU doesn't particularly help by playing coy in his notes either. Case in point how he's noncommittal on the results of Jinsung vs Kallavan. Or Yama vs Yas. Or Yas compared to Kallavan. Etc. He sits on the fence about EVERYTHIING. Methinks in part to play to fans of any given character. Another reason that we have seen very few deaths of note in this "war" so far. Can he even bring himself to kill off a big-name character at all? Who knows, but he certainly cannot insult them by possibly making them weaker than any other favorite. Even if he were to kill one, he'd just make their death clear as mud as usual, where we can't tell if they really gave it their all or they were teamed up on so we have no idea where to actually rank them.
Also, you have what characters SAY. But, what they say is often tainted by ego (naive bravado). It's not what they say, it's what they actually can do. How many times have we seen "I'll kill you!" only for that not to play out? OR, they say something they truly believe is fact based on good information, but they don't actually have all the information to make such a statement - could be the case with Mas not seeing Baam vs White, or any other myriad of examples of a character not being fully aware of how strong their opponents are but assuming they truly were more powerful. Case in point, BOTH Jinsung and Kallavan thought they could easily end their fight against the other when push came to shove, and BOTH were overwhelmed in similar ways, underestimating each other. Had you asked each prior to them fighting, BOTH would certainly have said they were stronger than the other in battle for various reasons (EoB, Ha skin, final lethal moves, whatever). And BOTH would have been incorrect in different ways.
So, what good does it do to go on what a character SAYS when they are essentially verbally beating their chest? It's useless to use as a 'fact'. Let the battles speak for themselves... oh, wait, even those are unclear due to reasons given above.
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Alllllll that being said, I don't think Mas can best Jinsung - at the very least not easily (if at all). I think if she wanted to take Jinsung hostage she would have (if she COULD have) by simply besting him on his own floor when they first squared off. The results would have been the exact same - Baam being motivated to go after him.
Only, she needed Kallavan to do 99% of the heavy lifting. She only stepped in to keep Jinsung from receiving a fatal blow at that point. Mas was the only thing stopping Kallavan's hands. She even remarked about how hard it was to pierce his Ha-strengthened exterior - he first had to get softened up a bit being the obvious implication. Which Kallavan absolutely did. Thus implying she couldn't have done as much on her lonesome.
Add to that that Jinsung's most likely way older than her, and thus probably stronger in that regard as rankers get stronger with age (like cheese). Sure, she has Zahard blood, but he likewise has AT LEAST 50% irregular blood (depending on who his father is, possibly even more).
It's also possible that both are wary of each other and don't exactly know how they'd fare 1-on-1, so Mas had to wait for Jinsung to be softened up just to make sure she'd win, even if she thought she might be able to take him; this way ensuring it rather than leaving it to the chance of failure if she underestimated her opponent.
There's lots of possibilities really.
All we have is this rough framework where a lot of characters are loosely 'top 100'...
SIU is horrible about power-scaling. Most if not all the high-level fights are left with vague conclusions. The results are rarely, if ever, 'clean' - there's always some confounding issue. Someone JUST depleted all their energy in a previous fight. Or has an arm sealed. Or isn't fully-powered 'prime'. Or had another person jump in last minute. Or had 'fear' on them, making them weaker vs their opponent. Or held back to reserve power. Or didn't fully decompress. Or didn't use all their power for concern of involving the floor ruler. Or Or Or OR
We never have settled facts. Unless you have something like Doom fighting Gado with a clear distinction between their power levels and a one-shot clean death, we are left scratching our heads in who was really the victor in the fight we just witnessed. This has been most of S3 and a large portion of S2 when the heavy-hitters came on the scene.
SIU doesn't particularly help by playing coy in his notes either. Case in point how he's noncommittal on the results of Jinsung vs Kallavan. Or Yama vs Yas. Or Yas compared to Kallavan. Etc. He sits on the fence about EVERYTHIING. Methinks in part to play to fans of any given character. Another reason that we have seen very few deaths of note in this "war" so far. Can he even bring himself to kill off a big-name character at all? Who knows, but he certainly cannot insult them by possibly making them weaker than any other favorite. Even if he were to kill one, he'd just make their death clear as mud as usual, where we can't tell if they really gave it their all or they were teamed up on so we have no idea where to actually rank them.
Also, you have what characters SAY. But, what they say is often tainted by ego (naive bravado). It's not what they say, it's what they actually can do. How many times have we seen "I'll kill you!" only for that not to play out? OR, they say something they truly believe is fact based on good information, but they don't actually have all the information to make such a statement - could be the case with Mas not seeing Baam vs White, or any other myriad of examples of a character not being fully aware of how strong their opponents are but assuming they truly were more powerful. Case in point, BOTH Jinsung and Kallavan thought they could easily end their fight against the other when push came to shove, and BOTH were overwhelmed in similar ways, underestimating each other. Had you asked each prior to them fighting, BOTH would certainly have said they were stronger than the other in battle for various reasons (EoB, Ha skin, final lethal moves, whatever). And BOTH would have been incorrect in different ways.
So, what good does it do to go on what a character SAYS when they are essentially verbally beating their chest? It's useless to use as a 'fact'. Let the battles speak for themselves... oh, wait, even those are unclear due to reasons given above.
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Alllllll that being said, I don't think Mas can best Jinsung - at the very least not easily (if at all). I think if she wanted to take Jinsung hostage she would have (if she COULD have) by simply besting him on his own floor when they first squared off. The results would have been the exact same - Baam being motivated to go after him.
Only, she needed Kallavan to do 99% of the heavy lifting. She only stepped in to keep Jinsung from receiving a fatal blow at that point. Mas was the only thing stopping Kallavan's hands. She even remarked about how hard it was to pierce his Ha-strengthened exterior - he first had to get softened up a bit being the obvious implication. Which Kallavan absolutely did. Thus implying she couldn't have done as much on her lonesome.
Add to that that Jinsung's most likely way older than her, and thus probably stronger in that regard as rankers get stronger with age (like cheese). Sure, she has Zahard blood, but he likewise has AT LEAST 50% irregular blood (depending on who his father is, possibly even more).
It's also possible that both are wary of each other and don't exactly know how they'd fare 1-on-1, so Mas had to wait for Jinsung to be softened up just to make sure she'd win, even if she thought she might be able to take him; this way ensuring it rather than leaving it to the chance of failure if she underestimated her opponent.
There's lots of possibilities really.
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Go re read that chapter her words were along the lines of wow I was actually trying to hurt you with that attack and jinsung called her a child to try get her to refocus....stop ignoring facts and trying to push something you made in your head
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So what you are trying to say maschenny won't get stunned or shocked if she saw Baam went from being weaker than karaka to toying with White? You already spilled shit in this forum many times DG, i think you need to stop this,we both simp for same milf but there is no need to make her god.
As for Maschenny saying white is too weak for to side with her,It's plain hilarious that White who is one of the strongest member of STRONGEST family is too weak to side with a Brat as referred by jinsung. Plus I just wonder what kind of state you are in to compare vicente shit to Prime white. Current white with vicente being at center is someone who lost all of his powers,considering they climbed the tower and became rankers it's likely current white is only more powerful than rankers. And even the white at Wall of peaceful c. would literally shit currrent all over, and i'm not even talking about Prime white.
As for that baby dragon shit, I think you still understand every dialogue with the way you want, you never look at a general or objective to a dialogue,statement or feats, whenever there is a statement about maschenny you always want to understand things the way you want and make her god. Plus it's hilarious that you are taking this statement as maschenny being stronger than jinsung while Jinsung referred to her as "Baby dragon", and it's only possible if jinsung referred to her combat power which is impossible, considering maschenny is a milf who wouldn't play her cards till end.
While maschenny might have more talent than asensio,it doesn't mean that asensio's talent isn't even close to her. Plus you are saying maschenny was able to neg someone asensio had a difficult time while Asensio didn't have a shinsu quality back then considering he didn't use lightning. Plus it's quite likely asensio didn't go all out againist Big breeder, though maschenny didn't either, it was a asensio without Shinsu quality so you can't say that the gap between them has remained same.
Plus,lighthouses weren't blinded,they were utterly destroyed,it's impossible for someone to blind a lighthouse bearer's lighthouse without them knowing even if the person who tries to blind lightouse is high ranker and ligthtouse bearer is mere regular. So the only explainiton is by destroying them, and if it's destroyed then maschenny can't see the field either.
You proved nothing, i hope you will stop with this BS.
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Nothing is impossible but SIU would have to trash his whole power scaling, he even went as far as to use jinsung to tell us that they get stronger with age aand not to mention the amount of times he called her a child..all of that would have been for naught
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@EternalWinter White was toyed throught the entire fight,there is nothing proves that demon white is stronger than White in combat power,It might just boost his absorbing capabilities. Plus i don't think you need to be 200 IQ to understand baam toyed with white throught the entire fight. We are talking about combat level not absorbing shit.
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Agreed, though his power-scaling IS trash.
He started with rankings. But, then he left the door open to have 'influence' take the place of power. Saying nothing of how 'influence' is largely gained by having the ability to gain it via strength, as the tower is dog-eat-dog/survival of the fittest, and we're back to the basis still kind of being strength at the end of the day. Oh, you have more influence because you're a DD and thus born into royalty? Well, you're also likewise physically stronger for being a DD. And so on.
There's obviously the oddballs like Evan, getting his top 100 rank without being a huge fighter, but he's the exception, not the rule. Exceptions prove the rule. Also, he doesn't LIKE to fight - this doesn't necessarily mean he CAN'T... who knows what he could do if pushed?
All we can know for sure is that a huge enough gap cannot be explained away by anything other than strength.
For instance, a HR can almost certainly destroy a 'mere' ranker.
Then, we have cases like YHS who COULD get a higher rank, but just didn't try. He's still very capable, on par with Yuri I believe it was said. Again, the exception as most want to keep getting higher in ranks.
Yuri, in the meantime, is shooting up the ranks and is hardly static at ~500. Where does she really sit? MOST people in the top ranks have been there for quite a while, we have been told that. But, she's a baby and hasn't fully realized her potential, and meanwhile rapidly displaces higher-ranked people by quickly rising up the ranks. Her foil, Karaka, is very similar in that regards.
But we know the top echelon is pure strength. Eduan wants to get his old rank back from Urek. How? Not by increasing his influence. By beating Urek ofc. Same with Urek wanting to beat Phanta or whatever. It's obviously MOSTLY strength-based.
And yet SIU seems to no longer give ranks.
Everything is left purposefully vague so SIU can pivot into any direction at any time, in any real-world decade it seems.
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Yes, just as how Maschenny said:
- That she was sorry for attacking the El Robina and didn't mean to hit them (she even asked them if they wanted to apologise).
- That she was going to give Jinsung a quick and painless death.
- That she was going let Jinsung live only a little longer to Nyono Wan.
- That she was going to seal Jinsung.
Maschenny is an unrepentant liar. Maschenny saying that she actually tried to harm Jinsung doesn't mean that she did.
Nope. She needed Baam to fight Kallavan.
Baam fighting Kallavan to avenge Jinsung and realising how weak he was is the reason that Baam asked Evankhell to train him, that Baam trained so hard over the past 2 years, that Baam went to Dowon's Wall and that Baam stormed the Nest.
Kallavan as Baam's nemesis is something that Maschenny orchestrated and used to drive Baam's growth.
Baam is only just now learning of Maschenny's existence.
Maschenny kidnapping Jinsung without any of the Kallavan stuff wouldn't have been as effective. Again, Baam doesn't even know WHO Maschenny is. She'd just be a faceless enemy that was holding his master captive.
Baam wasn't just trying to rescue Jinsung, he genuinely thought that his master was dead and sought to avenge him and so hunted down Kallavan.
Maschenny backstabbed Jinsung as he was about to attack Kallavan.
SIU said that the heavens were smiling on Kallavan with Maschenny showing up.
The narrative that Maschenny was intervening solely to save Jinsung's life there is not only a contradiction of what happened in the manga, it's a contradiction of what the author said as well.
The age argument is nonsense.
- Enne Zahard is < 1/10th of Maschenny's age.
- Kallavan is even younger than Maschenny.
- Adori is around Maschenny's age or even younger.
You're also underrating the effect of Zahard's blood. Yuri is the most talented member of the Ha Family (ergo even more talented than Jinsung's mother and aunt).
Yuri isn't even a direct child of an Irregular.
Maschenny has way more Irregular blood (her mother appears to also be a daughter of Eduan) and she hails from the strongest Khun bloodline.
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I don't know about Mas' power level, but I'm sure most replies in these last chapters are about her.
I wonder what's like inside the suspendium crystal, is it big, bigger from the inside than the outside appearance? Would time pass normally or slowed/accelerated? Is it empty beyond the item Mas want or filled with monsters to defend it? Maybe there's an ecosystem inside? Do you think Baam will finally train/test the 2nd thorn for its space manipulation power? Maybe we'll get some Baam interacting with other members of his group, will he still aggressive towards Vicente, how Aria feels about Baam, Rak not being the comic relief force once. Man next chapter can't come soon enough
I wonder what's like inside the suspendium crystal, is it big, bigger from the inside than the outside appearance? Would time pass normally or slowed/accelerated? Is it empty beyond the item Mas want or filled with monsters to defend it? Maybe there's an ecosystem inside? Do you think Baam will finally train/test the 2nd thorn for its space manipulation power? Maybe we'll get some Baam interacting with other members of his group, will he still aggressive towards Vicente, how Aria feels about Baam, Rak not being the comic relief force once. Man next chapter can't come soon enough
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I can't believe you love Mas this much. I'll just say it outright, Maschenny couldn't even beat Bam, even she tried, the only reason she has the upper hand is because of influence and schemes. Which she can only do because duh, she'd been a HR princess for thousands of years before Bam got into the tower.
Her current behaviour isn't that smart, she'd arrogant and crazy, thus unable to understand the full weight of Bam's situation. Just wait, once the FH's come to play, perhaps both you and her will finally begin to understand.
Her current behaviour isn't that smart, she'd arrogant and crazy, thus unable to understand the full weight of Bam's situation. Just wait, once the FH's come to play, perhaps both you and her will finally begin to understand.
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If we don't know, then stop speaking in absolute terms. All of What you say about her faction is pure speculation. I'm speaking based on what we have been shown so far.
Yet when it's convenient for your argument, you say Jisung was wrong to call her a baby snake. Whatever any character says doesn't necessarily mean it is true. It is just the characters own limited perspective.
Uh, I never said they could.
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We haven't been shown anything. We don't know who she's working with, what sort of faction she belongs to, etc.
You're the one speaking in absolute terms.
No, I don't say that Jinsung was wrong to call her a little water snake; I point out that Jinsung himself admits he was mistaken about her:
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Jinsung called her a child because he's much older than her. That has nothing to do with her combat ability.
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Hello everyone
I wonder why the Ari family did not try to eliminate Baam if their goal is to keep the peace
And what is wrong with Mas here?
I wonder why the Ari family did not try to eliminate Baam if their goal is to keep the peace
And what is wrong with Mas here?
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She literally just called mas a liar and is now creating her own facts, I want wife to love me like this person loves mas.
Mas is trying to play a game with the men and gods that brought the tower to where it is today. Gustang or Urek can show up at anytime and sneeze her out of existence but we are to laud her as a genius
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I basically 100% agree with what you said. Soon enough the low top 100 ballpark will have more than 100 characters lol.
I'd also argue that characters like HJ and Maschenny are difficult to scale/rank because of particularities of their skillset. HJ has that OP floral butterfly and Maschenny has Redan. They're some type of "equalizers". It seems that if HJ lands Tiger and Dragon gate on any opponent of his ballpark said individual would get exploded in half (barring Kallatank). As the cons for this technique it's hard to land because you need to make or almost make physical contact with your opponent (opening yourself to potentially deadly damage) and there's the "you'll get f*cked up by this technique if you fail to use it properly". Redan will dramatically boost your strength for a limited time, then after that you're basically done/will get killed by some random ranker much below you. But you get to hit much higher than you normally would, so it's a draw if you're able to kill your opponent using it. You can/will die to anyone later on, but your hypothetical opponent already died anyway. I think of it as the Might Guy effect (Naruto). You can't win, but you can draw (Guy activating 8th portal, defeating basically anyone, then dying because of the collateral effects)