So Mira doesn't have form? Last time I checked he turned Natsu's fire to ash so Mira's nukes and body aren't off limits. Mashima and Gray were screaming at the readers that even BSS Mira > Gray so it's hard to imagine people still having issues grasping this over a year later.
How is a feat created by her fanboys when it literally happened? Also was Madmole not supporting Skullion? I'm confused.
By that logic all fights are full of bullshit PIS. I mean Kiria was giving Erza more issues than she gave Laxus while Laxus low diffed Kiria and it amazed Erza before Erza tied with Laxus. I would argue Gray getting mad because Juvia 'died' and beating Invel/ stalemating partial End was full of PIS so what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Funny thing about that, because Natsu himself alluded to Mira > Gajeel when he said the strongest would be in the center i.e. Mira, Laxus and Jellal. If we're talking about canon statements...
I've honestly completely given up on trying to make sense of feats with the latest chapter. Mashima's feats are complete bonkers, characters always get retconned to being as strong as the plot needs them to be
No he isn't. Laxus already beat Skullion so if Gray beats him while he's badly wounded it would only make Gray look worse. Also, Kiria < Skullion so beating her does nothing really. Mira also was in her weakest takeover when she was beyond Gray, Madmole, Elfman and Kiria so...
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Maybe I seem to be a Mirajane hater but not at all. It's just that I feel like people overplay her feats.Mirajane is so underrated. IMO people use her as a proxy to bash Erza because they know Mashima will never do a disservice to Erza while Mira's an easier target. And it's weird to me how Lucy fans (Lucy is my fav character) started hating her ever since Lucy couldn't beat Mira with both her siblings as if that was ever possible and anything more than a pipe dream lol. And let's not get started on Gray fans who hate how she burst their bubble about Gray being superior to her BECAUSE SHE DEMON HE USE DEMON KILLING POWAH XD Again, they can't slam Erza, Natsu or even Laxus so they have to use the 'lowest hanging fruit' i.e. Mirajane. Despite all the bashing she gets in 100 years quest, Mira has enough to have everybody shook!
Can’t really overplay when it comes to Gray vs Mira when the outcome and ranking was made abundantly clear in boft2
Canon disagrees. He extreme diffed a heavily injured Mirajane after she tied with someone who beat him while in her weakest takeover. Mashima made it clear where Mirajane Strauss stands and once more put to bed the fanon thirst for Gray, Gajeel etc. to surpass her lol
That's irrelevant to this discussion because in this case no one is overrating her. Mashima, as I said made it abundantly clear and emphasised it constantly that Gray < Mirajane. Gray and Mirajane literally fought in canon and Mirajane had to be heavily weakened for Gray to still struggle to get the win. Clear as day.
Well. Gray "struggling to defeat an heavily injured Mira" was just a gag feat. Current Gray has gotten massively stronger since Alvarez arc, where he was able to demolish Invel and go toe to toe with E.N.D. Unless you think Mirajane would demolish Invel and E.N.D (which is absolutely ridiculous), this wasn't a serious feat. You're using this gag feat to hype up Mirajane because this seems for you to be the only way to do so.
Mirajane didn't had to be heavily weakened. Gray and co. were
- "Mira is placed above Gajeel" Sure. When she stalemated Skullion, who's portrayed to be stronger than Madmile but not that much since they were both fodderized by Base Laxus. The same Madmole who's Base Natsu tier according to Wraith. The same Madmole who stalemated Elfman, who was always portrayed as a Base Natsu tier opponent. The same Base Natsu, who's like a tier below than LFDM Natsu, who was stalemated by ISDM. Sure, Mira is above Gajeel.
Gray literally told you all that Mirajane would be tough more than once and said that he knew he'd be waiting for her to be quite injured before trying to fight her/things would be fine since she's injured. What's not clicking?
What are you even talking about? Gray said he expected to fight Mira when she was injured and stated she was quite injured before he fought her. Then him and Cana talked about how he still struggled vs her. What does that mean? He also agreed that his freezing would work as good on BSS Mira as it worked on Skullion and we all know how that panned out.
Did you stretch before that reach? LFD Natsu was fighting ISDM Gajeel at right hand city and then opened his mouth to say that the strongest enemies would be at the center so Mira, Laxus or Jellal. If that doesn't show you where Gajeel stands then idk what does.
Headcanon. Prove that Skullion was weakened vs Mira/had an advantage vs Gray.
Oh please. When someone says "That's great. We have to do xyz" they are complaining about that task being tough. The desperation is crazy. And this is in addition to Gray saying Mira would be a pain before.
Cope. It actually means a lot since it means DeS freezing would fail to work on Mira's weakest form lmao!
In some translations he said he expected to fight her injured and in others he just said she's injured so it should be fine. Either way it means he thinks it's okay because Mira is injured.
And this is cope. Feats and hype placed BSS Mira above DeS Gray. Live with it.
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I myself consider Gray and Mirajane's fight as a gag not meant to be taken seriously, but I just want to clarify some points.
1) People need to stop to exaggerate the difficulty Gray had to defeat Mirajane. He still had MP left and was still able to stand up so it wasn't an extreme difficulty but an high difficulty fight. Laxus vs Erza was an extreme difficulty fight because both fighters weren't able to do anything and fell down of exhaustion while Mirajane was the only one down at end of the fight. But be free to think that this:
And this:
Are the same
Also, if you look at their injuries, Gray only had bruises and scratches while Laxus and Erza were seriously injured and out of Magic Power.
2) You need to stop with this headcanon of Mirajane having stayed in her BSS the whole fight. The fight was off-paneled so I think we can argue that she used her stronger forms against Gray.
3) I beg you to stop saying that Mirajane was heavily injured. The fact that she could still give Gray an high difficulty fight proves the whole contrary. Also, look at her state when she is trapped in Cana's card, she looks injured but not that much.
Also, about Gray's and Mirajane's respective fights against Skullion:
1) I don't know how to make you understand that Skullion defeated Gray because of his hax. They were literally fighting on equal terms throughout their fight, being able to counter each other once Gray got serious:
Skullion then finished Gray with his Black Ash spell, by turning water into ashes. Something he could not do with Mirajane and Elfman because they weren't fighting underwater, which explains the fact they lasted longer than Gray did. And don't tell me it is an headcanon because do you see water anywhere when Skullion finished Gray? No, because Skullion turned it into ashes.
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2) Also, Mirajane didn't stayed in her BSS against Skullion. It is absolutely stupid to claim that (and I also claimed that, I recognize that). Look at what she said at the end of their battle:
This clearly proves she and Elfman did their best to defeat Skullion and Madmole. And don't tell me bullshit that she couldn't use her stronger Take-Overs due to being controlled by the White Wizard because Laxus and Gajeel were able to tap into their stronger forms:
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2) Mirajane didn't stayed in her BSS against Skullion. This is absolutely stupid to claim it.
She herself admitted that she couldn't defeat them:
This clearly proves she and Elfman did their best to defeat Skullion and Madmole.
And don't tell me bullshit that she couldn't use her stronger Take-Overs against them due to being controlled by the White Wizard because Laxus and Gajeel, who were also controlled by the WW, were able to tap into stronger forms:
I might look like a Mira hater but that's absolutely not the case. I'm just telling the truth by using canon facts
Well presented thread but I’m not going to address every point because I feel like I’ve had this conversation too many times just ones I haven’t heard before.I myself consider Gray and Mirajane's fight as a gag not meant to be taken seriously, but I just want to clarify some points.
1) People need to stop to exaggerate the difficulty Gray had to defeat Mirajane. He still had MP left and was still able to stand up so it wasn't an extreme difficulty but an high difficulty fight. Laxus vs Erza was an extreme difficulty fight because both fighters weren't able to do anything and fell down of exhaustion while Mirajane was the only one down at end of the fight. But be free to think that this:
And this:
Are the same
Also, if you look at their injuries, Gray only had bruises and scratches while Laxus and Erza were seriously injured and out of Magic Power.
2) You need to stop with this headcanon of Mirajane having stayed in her BSS the whole fight. The fight was off-paneled so I think we can argue that she used her stronger forms against Gray.
3) I beg you to stop saying that Mirajane was heavily injured. The fact that she could still give Gray an high difficulty fight proves the whole contrary. Also, look at her state when she is trapped in Cana's card, she looks injured but not that much.
Also, about Gray's and Mirajane's respective fights against Skullion:
1) I don't know how to make you understand that Skullion defeated Gray because of his hax. They were literally fighting on equal terms throughout their fight, being able to counter each other once Gray got serious:
Skullion then finished Gray with his Black Ash spell, by turning water into ashes. Something he could not do with Mirajane and Elfman because they weren't fighting underwater, which explains the fact they lasted longer than Gray did. And don't tell me it is an headcanon because do you see water anywhere when Skullion finished Gray? No, because Skullion turned it into ashes.
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2) Also, Mirajane didn't stayed in her BSS against Skullion. It is absolutely stupid to claim that (and I also claimed that, I recognize that). Look at what she said at the end of their battle:
This clearly proves she and Elfman did their best to defeat Skullion and Madmole. And don't tell me bullshit that she couldn't use her stronger Take-Overs due to being controlled by the White Wizard because Laxus and Gajeel were able to tap into their stronger forms:
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2) Mirajane didn't stayed in her BSS against Skullion. This is absolutely stupid to claim it.
She herself admitted that she couldn't defeat them:
This clearly proves she and Elfman did their best to defeat Skullion and Madmole.
And don't tell me bullshit that she couldn't use her stronger Take-Overs against them due to being controlled by the White Wizard because Laxus and Gajeel, who were also controlled by the WW, were able to tap into stronger forms:
I might look like a Mira hater but that's absolutely not the case. I'm just telling the truth by using canon facts
Mirajane herself said that she couldn't defeat Skullion and Madmole, despite having Elfman's help. She later said that she was unsure of her win.
