Games Mafia Game 99 - Pokemon Masters EX - End of Game

[SirSamuel016]

I just voted

I appreciate you being more cooperative with Bel on your side but maybe her addressing questions better could've rubbed off on you too :P
Any other suspects?

 

[uberfayt]

uberfayt via Evil3ye is a better resource.

 

[Brandish μ]

I appreciate you being more cooperative with Bel on your side but maybe her addressing questions better could've rubbed off on you too :P
Any other suspects?

The training can only go so far

 

[uberfayt]

For Santa to actually take effect wouldn't someone have been messaged to say they received a gift?

Really? It doesn't say so in the Mafia Game Example-PMs thread.

 

[SirSamuel016]

The training can only go so far

Can only teach an old dog so many new tricks?

 

[Asako]

That's not how Santa works iirc Santa's night 1 action has to be giving the role to someone so they can then use it the next night, so again, Santa makes no sense.

No no, it literally whatever the host wants, so there a possibility it is a present

It's not necessary a role

Also uber yea i used my role



About last day, i loled when i saw seraph was strongman, man always unlucky as mafia or what

Anyways made me trust pompom and review my opinion on her (not my senpai tho, still considering TP possibility)

But at least we know no way pompom is a mafia so that's sth, considering she was the one who locked seraph fate with the change

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Btw cinera, you're reasoning doesn't really make that much sense
Voting shad but not wanting to lynch him

People underastimating the power of a vote day 1

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ok first and foremost. VOTE KILL GB to start the day

man explain that last minute vote lock

Why GB
What about cinera
So fast on voting him

 

[Cinera]

This makes no sense and conflicts with your first statement. If you find someone suspiscious, why would you not want them getting lynched?

No, I didn't personally find him suspicious.

I voted him because I was required to vote someone and he was the leading wagon (so maybe he's suspicious).

I tried to change my vote because I found out near the end of the day phase that he was about to get Lynched at only 3 votes, and I didn't want it to be my placeholder vote that caused the Lynch.

Anyway, who do you suspect right, and why?

I still want to look into Shad more because he pinged me the wrong way yesterday.
I also want to look into GB, but haven't yet done so.


These are the people I would like to look into if/when I get the time.

I haven't been actively reading the thread, as I'm still at work now, so I'm responding to notifications when I have a bit of idle time.

 

[AwkwardMisha]

Well yeah, but pom could have changed the vote due to shads pressure. I mean Gb voted shad and he is now currently in the frying pan along side Cinera.
Also, at the same time it's not something unheard of, throwing your own mafia buddie buddie under the buss to gain credibility.
I mean ,strongman isn't such an important role overall, they could have discarded him easily to gain credibility. Get rid of the strongman to keep more important roles alive and in return also get some townie bonus points.
Hmmm, but if there is a strongman than that means that there's also a bulletproof? Sam, for the love of god don't tell me you're the bulletproof ahahahaha
Hmmmm, who knows, there actually might be a tp, we had santa in the previous game....and that also reminds me of kiras comment who was asking about third party roles. A coincidence?

Now i don't remember if in the last game if the player's were announced or not if they were receiving gifts or not.
So we either have a santa or a sickly among us.


I am a bit busy with work, i will be more active in a few hours

Edit: typo

 

[Lady pompom]

Well yeah, but pom could have changed the vote due to shads pressure. I mean Gb voted shad and he is now currently in the frying pan along side Cinera.
Also, at the same time it's not something unheard of, throwing your own mafia buddie buddie under the buss to gain credibility.
I mean ,strongman isn't such an important role overall, they could have discarded him easily to gain credibility. Get rid if the strongman to keep more important roles alive and in return also get some townie bonus points.
Hmmm, but if there is a strongman than that means that there's also a bulletproof? Sam, for the love of god don't tell me your the bulletproof ahahahaha
Hmmmm, who knows, there actually might be a tp, we had santa in the previous game....and that also reminds me of kiras comment who was asking about third party roles. A coincidence?

Now i don't remember if in the last game if the player's were announced or not if they were receiving gifts or not.
So we either have a santa or a sickly among us.


I am a bit busy with work, i will be more active in a few hours

Just that throwing a strongman out early is more detrimental to mafia imo, especially because other people could have been lynched and I had an argument against Shad. If there's a strongman, it's likely there is a bulletproof in town, again roles are at the discretion of hosts and it happened before I believe that there was no bulletproof paired with strongman, but still I think there is one.

 

[Shad]

I still want to look into Shad more because he pinged me the wrong way yesterday.

I'm at work and I need to actually start doing some work >.<
So I'm not able to sit down and write my thoughts on you like I did yesterday, I should be able to in 4h.

- If we take out your personal reasons and just look at your voting pattern, there is no doubt you are mafia.
- I played 2 games ago with you as mafia and you had similar voting patterns, confusing and not anything people are used to seeing, and in that game you were mafia.
- I don't see you as a new player, so even if I accept the wierd reasons you give, I won't assume you don't know what you are doing, especially not in this game setup were you have a trainer.

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To keep this short, even tho the possibility of you being setup to save GB or something else, I don't see a way out for you from this unless you can confirm yourself with your role or something, as even if we go for GB and he dies town, that doesn't tell us if you are or aren't.

Basically I suggest revealing, that discussion could lead somewhere.

 

[uberfayt]

Anyways made me trust pompom and review my opinion on her (not my senpai tho, still considering TP possibility)

But at least we know no way pompom is a mafia so that's sth, considering she was the one who locked seraph fate with the change

I think that's a stretch to say she can't be mafia, we can't really trust her just because she last minute changed her vote to seraph. Mafia can throw their teammates under the bus to gain credibility. Also, don't forget her first interaction with Shad, there was a lot of arguments that did not make sense and a lot of straw-men arguments used.

Also, @Lady pompom did you use your role last night or not? stop dodging my question.

Yes! Not planning to spell it out yet tho.

You make it sound like it's gonna be a big reveal, I'm curious to see how you got something by "not using your role".

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I still want to look into Shad more because he pinged me the wrong way yesterday.

Care to specify what exactly rubbed you the wrong way?

 

[Shad]

You make it sound like it's gonna be a big reveal, I'm curious to see how you got something by "not using your role".

Not my intention if you understood that, just pointing out that what I said already limit the possibilities to very few roles, if you keep asking me for more details you may as well just ask me to reveal >.<

Don't expect much from me result wise, as I said I didn't use it.
I shared to show good intentions and since margi asked.

 

[AwkwardMisha]

Mentor perhaps, but SK not really, as I know that all too well from the Yugioh game I hosted, because I put a SK alone among 16 players, and it didn't go well for them:
A serial killer alone has a pretty tough win condition, as they need to be the last person alive and they only have one kill per night. In a game with 16 players with strong roles (especially blocking ones), they'll most likely never reach their goal, only if they are super lucky with not being blocked plus town and mafia killing each other.
Santa in comparison has much better odds since it only needs to successfully target 5 players.

But yeah, Mentor is a good TP possibility, considering we have good chances of a recruitment having occured.

Also, did you use your role?

Well, could they recruit any townie or just sleepers?
Maybe there's a possibility of a sleeper among the passive roles

Well if shads isn't using his action is he hinting maybe at an apprentice role?
Hmmm, although at first i thought brandish was hinting at that role due to her comment comment "maybe I can adapt.Evolve"
But at the same time she said she already had the role. I need to go back later through her games to check up



Okay brb

 

[uberfayt]

Well, could they recruit any townie or just sleepers?
Maybe there's a possibility of a sleeper among the passive roles

If you mean Mentor, they can recruit any townie, not just sleepers. Also, if Mentor recruits a non-townie, that non-townie dies.

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Why GB

Because of his last minute vote on Shad. Looked like a clumsy attempt to save seraph.

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Oh just saw you are aware of this...ignore my reply to you then...

 

[Shad]

If the sicky is town, it makes no sense to not reveal.

Since the sickly infected GB, that means the sickly considers GB to be the scummiest (meaning he want GB dead).
But this only works if the townie come out to accuse GB, if they don't, then this means the sickly is not townie.

In that case:
- Sickly was given by santa: Apart from giving a gift to a person that otherwise maybe dead soon, maybe the gift of silky was the one that he wanted to deliver first, since it doesn't harm santa, santa also doesn't care if GB is town or mafia.

- Sickly is scum: Trying to do some reverse psychology, by not revealing and making us think GB is being setup for a lynch by mafia.

As you see, if you are a townie sickly, revealing will allow us to clear those 2 possibilities.

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This game is supposed to be training, but without special mechanics how do you reduce the number of dead players every phase?
We know there is a mafia, so that 1 missing kill, but a Santa and mentor are the TP that kill the least, it makes sense to have them in the game one of them in the game if there is a TP which sounds reasonable since we should train!!! I'm sure we also have a traitor or sleeper for the same reason! (training).

Come out you sickly bastard!

 

[uberfayt]

Anyway, I'll post more thoughts a bit later in the Day. But for now, my top suspects are Cinera and GB. And when we compare both of their atttempts to explain their vote pattern on D1, Cinera sounds the scummiest.

Votekill Cinera

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Also, still waiting for your answer @Lady pompom @AwkwardMisha @kira did you use your roles last night?

 

[Lady pompom]

Anyway, I'll post more thoughts a bit later in the Day. But for now, my top suspects are Cinera and GB. And when we compare both of their atttempts to explain their vote pattern on D1, Cinera sounds the scummiest.

Votekill Cinera

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Also, still waiting for your answer @Lady pompom @AwkwardMisha @kira did you use your roles last night?

Yes, I did.

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I like how somehow uber is trying to make me look bad now. It makes no sense whatsoever for mafia or 3rd party to save a townie by lynching a mafi, while 3rd party is against both town and mafia, there are more townies to take care of than mafias, just run some maths in terms of howm many mafia compared to town, also usually 3rd party wants to kill mafia during the Np and lynch townies.

Sera's mafia maybe tried to save him, the votes were all so spread out that it would just be a feast to mafias, which is why I changed my vote, I knew they could make use of some sniping to kill a townie like it happened many times before, so I sniped their buddy first.

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Well, could they recruit any townie or just sleepers?
Maybe there's a possibility of a sleeper among the passive roles

Well if shads isn't using his action is he hinting maybe at an apprentice role?
Hmmm, although at first i thought brandish was hinting at that role due to her comment comment "maybe I can adapt.Evolve"
But at the same time she said she already had the role. I need to go back later through her games to check up



Okay brb

Don't give Shad claims, let him hint. Why would he not use his action? Apprentice needs 2 nights to learn, if he stalls too much, the game might be over before he becomes anything. And Apprentice is also a common mafia claim btw, he could as well just be a mafia or a recruitable member.

 

[AwkwardMisha]

Anyway, I'll post more thoughts a bit later in the Day. But for now, my top suspects are Cinera and GB. And when we compare both of their atttempts to explain their vote pattern on D1, Cinera sounds the scummiest.

Votekill Cinera

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Also, still waiting for your answer @Lady pompom @AwkwardMisha @kira did you use your roles last night?

Did you?
Quid pro quo uber

Well then wee all agree that Cinera is our top suspect then for now so

Votekill Cinera

 

[Shad]

Don't give Shad claims, let him hint. Why would he not use his action? Apprentice needs 2 nights to learn, if he stalls too much, the game might be over before he becomes anything. And Apprentice is also a common mafia claim btw, he could as well just be a mafia or a recruitable member.

Yeah apprentice makes no sense, but I'm not gonna jump on any post that throws roles at my hint, that will be counter productive.

 

[uberfayt]

Did you?

I already gave that answer in the post where I asked you the first time. So your turn to answer.

I like how somehow uber is trying to make me look bad now. It makes no sense whatsoever for mafia or 3rd party to save a townie by lynching a mafi, while 3rd party is against both town and mafia, there are more townies to take care of than mafias, just run some maths in terms of howm many mafia compared to town, also usually 3rd party wants to kill mafia during the Np and lynch townies.

Sera's mafia maybe tried to save him, the votes were all so spread out that it would just be a feast to mafias, which is why I changed my vote, I knew they could make use of some sniping to kill a townie like it happened many times before, so I sniped their buddy first.

Are you referring to when I said that we should not rule out the possibility of you being mafia yet? That's not me trying to make you look bad, that's me listing all the possibilities until we get a concrete proof. Your voting seraph last second doesn't prove you are townie. As far as I'm concerned you could still be anything.