Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...
But... beastkin ARE (human-animal) hybrids. That's literally what they are. This is getting into an issue of semantics. If Tower hybrids exist, and are more exotic than the clean-cut examples made by the LPB, then it's likely that NN is one of those tower hybrids to begin with - seeing as escaping is very unlikely and she's not a clear example of an animal hybrid AND they seem to be naturally occuring in the tower.
No mention of her escaping, or being recaptured, or 'good work team, we got the bitch that ran away' or anything.
Beaskin and 'animal-human hybrid' are essentially interchangeable terms.
It's like naturally-occurring diamonds and lab-made diamonds. They are still diamonds, made by compressing Carbon atoms with a lot of heat and pressure until they are forced into a matrix arrangement.
A distinction without a difference.
Acrinak entered Yama while sleeping too. IIRC. Could have had profound effects on him later in life as something traumatic happened during that phase in his childhood.
I mean, it depends? Beastkin seem like a pretty specific group that share some traits. They were made by the workshop at the LPB's request and have the capacity to use some manner of mimesis. Other hybrid looking creatures in the tower almost definitely do not have said background and probably would be naturally occurring things in the tower. As in, if someone made the claim that xia xia was a beastkin I'd ask for receipts. The lack of mimesis from those of her species so far, the lack of a connection to the LPB, the apparent abundance of her kind speaks of wildly different circumstances from dogs, felines or lions.
Well, yes, that's why this is all speculation. But, we can make inferences based on data and best guesses with a range of probability. And SIU continues to drop hints.
Well, that's now how probability works though. If we notice something that's almost always one way, we don't just assume that the opposite is true "most" of the time, that's nonsensical.
They won't die from natural death if they are a ranker. If they are a ranker they are already stronger than a tower nobody like NN, not even mentioned to be a ranker. Like has been mentioned many times, deaths between extremely-high rankers are a rare event. And like I said above, in the event of death of a high ranker host it would find a temp host until it can find the next with good potential. Like we see Acrinak doing. This lends even more credence to the idea that weak hosts are more often than not on the relatively rare side.
And they are less likely to be killed if strong and powered by an ancient, so once they get into the strong host the host has stopped aging as a ranker and is very unlikely to be killed in combat at that point. Death by any means at that point is extremely rare. Like EVK and Khel. Yama is the next to add to that list.
Now if there are only 5 to 10 ancient being , them being all strong would be possible .
But again guy like Evankhell are genius , that could exist every 1000 years , so obviously as busted is the native species is , finding someone like Evankhell won't be that easy .
Imagine how many EVK's come along in 50k years. 100k. We don't know how long people have been able to rank, and thus the advent of a ranking system which effectively makes the ranker stop aging has been a boon for ancients looking for strong hosts that don't die. Some think that period was 20k years or more.
There are CURRENTLY 1000 HRs. Who knows how many have dropped out, been killed, or become blue holes. Especially over tens of thousands of years.
There are CURRENTLY 10000 ARs. Again, probably multiples of those figures over a long time period.
Seems like they would be spoiled for choice, particularly if you consider the expanse of time.
I mean, it depends? Beastkin seem like a pretty specific group that share some traits. They were made by the workshop at the LPB's request and have the capacity to use some manner of mimesis. Other hybrid looking creatures in the tower almost definitely do not have said background and probably would be naturally occurring things in the tower. As in, if someone made the claim that xia xia was a beastkin I'd ask for receipts. The lack of mimesis from those of her species so far, the lack of a connection to the LPB, the apparent abundance of her kind speaks of wildly different circumstances from dogs, felines or lions.
I mean, beastkin specifically seem to come from the workshop. Other hybrids can pretty much come from whenever.
Hmm, my first guess would be that xia xia and other rabbit folk we have seen are not beastkin. We've even seen rabbit eared rankers... Going by yaratcha's past they would have been collected by the LPB. But if they are beastkin then odds are they would probably have some manner of transformation available to them. The two ranker rabbit folk we have seen died without exhibiting transformation. And the bit with xia xia needing money for her species seems weird for beastfolk. Beastkin seem somewhat bound to their instincts (though doom doesn't share wang wang's need for a master apparently), we haven't exactly seen rabbit girl just lunge at carrots or whatever the fuck a rabbit's instinct is.
If we take into account that rabbits have several predators, perhaps their instinct is survival.
Xia xia is three hundred generations old from the first besstkin rabbit, so releasing the transformation must be quite difficult, not to mention the animal types must influence combat power, rabbits aren't too aggressive after all, there may not be many rankers powerful enough to trigger a transformation. But, I wouldn't be surprised if she came up with one in the future.
If we take into account that rabbits have several predators, perhaps their instinct is survival.
Xia xia is three hundred generations old from the first besstkin rabbit, so releasing the transformation must be quite difficult, not to mention the animal types must influence combat power, rabbits aren't too aggressive after all, there may not be many rankers powerful enough to trigger a transformation. But, I wouldn't be surprised if she came up with one in the future.
And of course, Wang pleads with Traumerei asking him if he did not once stop to think of how his dog would feel when he killed his lover. If he would also kill Wang's children:
And without any hesitation Traumerei replies that he would. That there would be no difference if he knows the emotions of a trifle that holds less value than dust. That does Wang really expect love and mercy from him? Towards a mere dog?
@The Crypts: do you really think that subservience and devotion towards such a master is an admirable trait? A master that considers your life to hold less value than dust. A master that would kill everyone you love and care for without batting an eye. A master that would spit on the very loyalty you show.
Loyalty towards such a master is something to be abhorred not praised. I will say it again, Wang is a disgrace to his station, his race and the entire concept of human dignity.
That's your judgement. I'm not here to decide the virtue of anyone's principles. However, sticking to your principles, whatever they might be, is admirable. He expected his master to protect him and protect his family. He was disappointed to discover his master didn't think in the same way and had no value for him and his loyalty. Traum's actions do not taint WW. I respect WW's loyalty and not just that, at the point where he could have lashed out at Yas for his betrayal, he decided to forgive him. Even in his death, he chose magnanimity. That I respect. You might not and that's your perogative.
The thing is, in the generation of Yas and WW, beastkin were maeginalized, but nowadays they are frequent in the tower to the point of being normal.
So yes, it's not hard to imagine that over time some managed to break away from the LPB family, or they were just abandoned.
By the way, if we talk about rabbits, they are practically an animal version of Eduan, so they must have multiplied countless times faster than any other breed.
And finally, Yas and WW didn't show any transformation while regulars. And we've already seen that it's not an easy thing to unleash as Varagrav, a houndborn genius and one of Yama's successful experiments, only managed it as a regular C rank and after a heavy trauma from Baam's attack.
That's your judgement. I'm not here to decide the virtue of anyone's principles. However, sticking to your principles, whatever they might be, is admirable. He expected his master to protect him and protect his family. He was disappointed to discover his master didn't think in the same way and had no value for him and his loyalty. Traum's actions do not taint WW. I respect WW's loyalty and not just that, at the point where he could have lashed out at Yas for his betrayal, he decided to forgive him. Even in his death, he chose magnanimity. That I respect. You might not and that's your perogative.
Well, yes, that's why this is all speculation. But, we can make inferences based on data and best guesses with a range of probability. And SIU continues to drop hints.
Well, that's now how probability works though. If we notice something that's almost always one way, we don't just assume that the opposite is true "most" of the time, that's nonsensical.
Correct. But it's more likely than not they are a relative rarity given all the awe surrounding them.
Yes (give or take). See below.
They won't die from natural death if they are a ranker. If they are a ranker they are already stronger than a tower nobody like NN, not even mentioned to be a ranker. Like has been mentioned many times, deaths between extremely-high rankers are a rare event. And like I said above, in the event of death of a high ranker host it would find a temp host until it can find the next with good potential. Like we see Acrinak doing. This lends even more credence to the idea that weak hosts are more often than not on the relatively rare side.
And they are less likely to be killed if strong and powered by an ancient, so once they get into the strong host the host has stopped aging as a ranker and is very unlikely to be killed in combat at that point. Death by any means at that point is extremely rare. Like EVK and Khel. Yama is the next to add to that list.
Not over the course of unknown 10's of thousands of years. You have to consider the scale of time.
Well, yes, as a TEMP host. Again, that's what we see happen in real time almost.
Imagine how many EVK's come along in 50k years. 100k. We don't know how long people have been able to rank, and thus the advent of a ranking system which effectively makes the ranker stop aging has been a boon for ancients looking for strong hosts that don't die. Some think that period was 20k years or more.
There are CURRENTLY 1000 HRs. Who knows how many have dropped out, been killed, or become blue holes. Especially over tens of thousands of years.
There are CURRENTLY 10000 ARs. Again, probably multiples of those figures over a long time period.
Seems like they would be spoiled for choice, particularly if you consider the expanse of time.
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ALL beastkin can use mimesis? I don't remember seeing that in the free-for-all battles in the lab.
And maybe I glossed over it, but I don't remember NN using mimesis at any point. Did she?
Where is the fact they can all use mimesis coming from? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't remember that bit of information.
There is clearly not enough sample to make a statement .
The thing is that i think you are victim to some biases , the same biases that some people in this forum have , which is the bias of the survivor .
For example there is a part of this forum who think most princess will reach top 300 or top 100 , which we know is wrong .
Why do they think that ? There was never any real focus on mere ranker princess , neither on top 800 ,700 princess and we know a certain number of princess who can reach top 100 and the rest that we saw are like yuri , young genius .
It is also why some people it is a given for Androssi to reach top 300 or top 100 , which according to her feat is wrong .
What you are saying may be true , but we have so little data that we can't really make a judgement .
If i were to look at the current ranking , i would be incline to say that most princess will reach top 300 or top 100 , but it is likely not the case .
TOG attention is focusing more and more at the higher level and we have less focus on the lower level , which is why i think you overestimate the number of ancient who reach the level of Evankhell or Khell .
Fact is we have too few knowledge about ancient and native one .
How much native and ancient one are they ?
Are they in thousand ? million ? more ?
Same for ancient ?
Those question matter .
We know Zahard cursed guy like Rak , but we still don't know how many regular they are like Rak who loved and never achieved they full potential .
If there are 100 ancient being , the likehook of finding someone like Khell and being top 100 is very low .
Having a single race having 100 people who can reach top 100 is a little ridiculous . I mean even if you look at the descendant , of one FH they don't have that many top 100 , hell even if you were to gather all FH and they family there likely won't have 100 top 100 .
The birth of top 100 is extremely rare , and even through history it is extremely rare .
This war can make it seems as if top 100 are more common , but those guy are real beast even through history .
A top 100 dying should be rare and they likely can survive for long .
That race is supossed to have been cursed and attacked by zahard right ?
Now my opinion is if guy like Akrinac are few , like between 5 and 10 , meeting a top 100 would be hard , even more so for a race which has been attacked by Zahard , but if they find one , they will likely survive for a very long time .
If they are like 50 , they won't find 50 guy like Khell and Evankhell , and the majority would at best be top 300 .
If they are even more well they would be HR .
Yeah i don't want to debate it , but there is simply no way for guy like Evankhell to be 100 K .
In fact even if you take the whole history of TOG of all race , having 100 K would be impossible .
Like you said HR , don't die naturally , and blue hole shouldn't be common .
There is simply no way that there was 100 K top 100 , let alone a single race , even worst for a race that has been attacked by zahard .
If there were 100 K guy like Evankhell in history , where are they ? Did they die ? Are they blue hole and lurking around ? That would too much .
I do believe that the current RA was not the same compared to the one 10000 before , but remember tha top HR as far as we saw don't die off natural death like you said , and there was never any big war after Genesis , so yeah most off them should be alive . At least for the top 100 who are the strongest and won't move and enter war easily .
If ancient one had 50 top 100 in history they will already feel lucky .
The thing is, in the generation of Yas and WW, beastkin were maeginalized, but nowadays they are frequent in the tower to the point of being normal.
So yes, it's not hard to imagine that over time some managed to break away from the LPB family, or they were just abandoned.
By the way, if we talk about rabbits, they are practically an animal version of Eduan, so they must have multiplied countless times faster than any other breed.
And finally, Yas and WW didn't show any transformation while regulars. And we've already seen that it's not an easy thing to unleash as Varagrav, a houndborn genius and one of Yama's successful experiments, only managed it as a regular C rank and after a heavy trauma from Baam's attack.
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loyalty or alienation?
Do you really find blind devotion admirable? To the point of having his children and his lover killed?
And what good is loyalty when it's not reciprocal? I really can't understand your thinking
There is clearly not enough sample to make a statement .
The thing is that i think you are victim to some biases , the same biases that some people in this forum have , which is the bias of the survivor .
For example there is a part of this forum who think most princess will reach top 300 or top 100 , which we know is wrong .
Why do they think that ? There was never any real focus on mere ranker princess , neither on top 800 ,700 princess and we know a certain number of princess who can reach top 100 and the rest that we saw are like yuri , young genius .
It is also why some people it is a given for Androssi to reach top 300 or top 100 , which according to her feat is wrong .
What you are saying may be true , but we have so little data that we can't really make a judgement .
If i were to look at the current ranking , i would be incline to say that most princess will reach top 300 or top 100 , but it is likely not the case .
TOG attention is focusing more and more at the higher level and we have less focus on the lower level , which is why i think you overestimate the number of ancient who reach the level of Evankhell or Khell .
Fact is we have too few knowledge about ancient and native one .
How much native and ancient one are they ?
Are they in thousand ? million ? more ?
Same for ancient ?
Those question matter .
We know Zahard cursed guy like Rak , but we still don't know how many regular they are like Rak who loved and never achieved they full potential .
If there are 100 ancient being , the likehook of finding someone like Khell and being top 100 is very low .
Having a single race having 100 people who can reach top 100 is a little ridiculous . I mean even if you look at the descendant , of one FH they don't have that many top 100 , hell even if you were to gather all FH and they family there likely won't have 100 top 100 .
The birth of top 100 is extremely rare , and even through history it is extremely rare .
This war can make it seems as if top 100 are more common , but those guy are real beast even through history .
A top 100 dying should be rare and they likely can survive for long .
That race is supossed to have been cursed and attacked by zahard right ?
Now my opinion is if guy like Akrinac are few , like between 5 and 10 , meeting a top 100 would be hard , even more so for a race which has been attacked by Zahard , but if they find one , they will likely survive for a very long time .
If they are like 50 , they won't find 50 guy like Khell and Evankhell , and the majority would at best be top 300 .
If they are even more well they would be HR .
Yeah i don't want to debate it , but there is simply no way for guy like Evankhell to be 100 K .
In fact even if you take the whole history of TOG of all race , having 100 K would be impossible .
Like you said HR , don't die naturally , and blue hole shouldn't be common .
There is simply no way that there was 100 K top 100 , let alone a single race , even worst for a race that has been attacked by zahard .
If there were 100 K guy like Evankhell in history , where are they ? Did they die ? Are they blue hole and lurking around ? That would too much .
I do believe that the current RA was not the same compared to the one 10000 before , but remember tha top HR as far as we saw don't die off natural death like you said , and there was never any big war after Genesis , so yeah most off them should be alive . At least for the top 100 who are the strongest and won't move and enter war easily .
If ancient one had 50 top 100 in history they will already feel lucky .
About what you said before, I agree to a certain extent.
I also think that princesses are not all top 300, but not for lack of power or talent, they are true monsters revered in the tower, but for the endless war that this position brings.
How many princesses must have suffered at the hands of the 10 families for fear of creating a new power? Not to mention they are extremely rare, btw, I wouldn't be surprised if all current ranking princesses were top 300, even Yuri, given what she's shown, I don't doubt she hasn't reached that position yet due to sheer lack of opportunity .
Besides, SIU is extremely idiotic when it comes to revealing things, so yes, having more than one sample is enough to create at least a pattern to theorize
1. That prior to his death, WW's kids and NN were in any way maltreated by the LPB.
2. That WW in any way perceived or knew that NN and his kids were in danger while with the LPB.
3. That NN and his kids were in any way condemned by Traum before the betrayal.
None of the above are in fact true or correct.
From his conversation with Yas, it is clear that WW was confident in his ability to get agreement for better conditions for the beastkin from Traum by request and that he didn't need to betray his master to achieve that. He might have been mistaken in the end, but it's also clear that Traum's anger toward WW was born from the resentment at the assumed betrayal.
WW chose his master and sought to prove his loyalty, prior to the betrayal there's no evidence of conflict or dispute between WW, his kids, and the LPB. His posting to the outer region was supposedly an acknowledgement of having earned the trust of the LPB. As can be seen from his behavior towards Yas even after having knowledge of his betrayal, he's someone who assumes the best in people.
Blind loyalty? Maybe it is. Alienation? Maybe it is. That's from a reader's view, but from WW's view, he played his role, and until Traum's appearance with NN's body, his master played his.
My respect is for his fortitude in the face of pressure from someone he loved to betray his commitment to his master. And from his devotion to his principles even after so long of Yas's persistent drive to change him. He went to his death on his terms and with his head held high.
That's your judgement. I'm not here to decide the virtue of anyone's principles. However, sticking to your principles, whatever they might be, is admirable. He expected his master to protect him and protect his family. He was disappointed to discover his master didn't think in the same way and had no value for him and his loyalty. Traum's actions do not taint WW. I respect WW's loyalty and not just that, at the point where he could have lashed out at Yas for his betrayal, he decided to forgive him. Even in his death, he chose magnanimity. That I respect. You might not and that's your perogative.
Dude, just take the L. You don't even know who is in the room or isn't on this issue. You just keep doubling down on misinformation.
Yas in fact did not think that Rei would "protect him and his family"
- Just two chapters ago NN informed Yas she would just be a lab rat if she stayed alive. WW did not push back. He is WELL AWARE she is an unwitting hostage. He even RAPED HER on a command. If that's your idea of 'protecting' then you don't know what the word means.
- Just ONE chapter ago Yas made a point that WW would be used and discarded, and that his own kids would be tools. WW, as is usual, did not push back. He knows this to be true. His only response what in spite of this he can't be bothered to even try.
- WW PROMISED to NN that he would move to protect the kids. He knows damn well what that means, and it doesn't mean being an experiment for Rei. When NN, through Yas, informed him the time had come to live up to his promise he didn't even try. That is NOT ADMIRABLE.
- WW has watched what has happened with his people being meatshields from the beginning. He's probably also aware of what happened to Yas' cat people (wiped out by the LPB associate)
Further, being loyal to a despotic tyrant that does experiments on people and uses them as slaves is NOT ADMIRABLE. Particularly when in doing so you continue to put your family and people at risk.
I do realize you're so stubborn that you can't acknowledge the obvious here. No one in history finds Hitler's loyal guard as admirable FFS.
There is clearly not enough sample to make a statement .
The thing is that i think you are victim to some biases , the same biases that some people in this forum have , which is the bias of the survivor .
For example there is a part of this forum who think most princess will reach top 300 or top 100 , which we know is wrong .
Why do they think that ? There was never any real focus on mere ranker princess , neither on top 800 ,700 princess and we know a certain number of princess who can reach top 100 and the rest that we saw are like yuri , young genius .
It is also why some people it is a given for Androssi to reach top 300 or top 100 , which according to her feat is wrong .
What you are saying may be true , but we have so little data that we can't really make a judgement .
If i were to look at the current ranking , i would be incline to say that most princess will reach top 300 or top 100 , but it is likely not the case .
TOG attention is focusing more and more at the higher level and we have less focus on the lower level , which is why i think you overestimate the number of ancient who reach the level of Evankhell or Khell .
Fact is we have too few knowledge about ancient and native one .
How much native and ancient one are they ?
Are they in thousand ? million ? more ?
Same for ancient ?
Those question matter .
We know Zahard cursed guy like Rak , but we still don't know how many regular they are like Rak who loved and never achieved they full potential .
If there are 100 ancient being , the likehook of finding someone like Khell and being top 100 is very low .
Having a single race having 100 people who can reach top 100 is a little ridiculous . I mean even if you look at the descendant , of one FH they don't have that many top 100 , hell even if you were to gather all FH and they family there likely won't have 100 top 100 .
The birth of top 100 is extremely rare , and even through history it is extremely rare .
This war can make it seems as if top 100 are more common , but those guy are real beast even through history .
A top 100 dying should be rare and they likely can survive for long .
That race is supossed to have been cursed and attacked by zahard right ?
Now my opinion is if guy like Akrinac are few , like between 5 and 10 , meeting a top 100 would be hard , even more so for a race which has been attacked by Zahard , but if they find one , they will likely survive for a very long time .
If they are like 50 , they won't find 50 guy like Khell and Evankhell , and the majority would at best be top 300 .
If they are even more well they would be HR .
Yeah i don't want to debate it , but there is simply no way for guy like Evankhell to be 100 K .
In fact even if you take the whole history of TOG of all race , having 100 K would be impossible .
Like you said HR , don't die naturally , and blue hole shouldn't be common .
There is simply no way that there was 100 K top 100 , let alone a single race , even worst for a race that has been attacked by zahard .
If there were 100 K guy like Evankhell in history , where are they ? Did they die ? Are they blue hole and lurking around ? That would too much .
I do believe that the current RA was not the same compared to the one 10000 before , but remember tha top HR as far as we saw don't die off natural death like you said , and there was never any big war after Genesis , so yeah most off them should be alive . At least for the top 100 who are the strongest and won't move and enter war easily .
If ancient one had 50 top 100 in history they will already feel lucky .
OMFG, dude, I have no idea what lines are responding to what. Clean up your response format, or don't bother responding further to me.
No, that's NOT how it works (probability, empirical evidence, and studies - scientific or otherwise). You don't take what you see as a common occurrence and just assume the opposite for no reason at all. That's asinine.
Stop it. You're just arguing. There's no point in even continuing in any attempt at addressing the rest. I mean, I see assumption after assumption... you just assume blue holes are rare with no reason or backing. How do you know how many fell off the books? Etc.
About what you said before, I agree to a certain extent.
I also think that princesses are not all top 300, but not for lack of power or talent, they are true monsters revered in the tower, but for the endless war that this position brings.
How many princesses must have suffered at the hands of the 10 families for fear of creating a new power? Not to mention they are extremely rare, btw, I wouldn't be surprised if all current ranking princesses were top 300, even Yuri, given what she's shown, I don't doubt she hasn't reached that position yet due to sheer lack of opportunity .
Besides, SIU is extremely idiotic when it comes to revealing things, so yes, having more than one sample is enough to create at least a pattern to theorize
Yeah i don't thin so , the more talented you are , the lesser people like you exist .
Top 300 is already a extremely high position .
When you look at Androssi , the 2 LPB princess , given they current feat do you think they are top 300 material ?
For me it isn't the case , but when i look at the ranking i could think like you guys .
Which is why using few sample is not enough , and you lot of samples and they need to be diverse , taking only the ancient one of a sinfle category is not enough to make a generalization for a race .
For example when you guys look at irregular , not particulary you , you guys say that irregular are monster but in the end the weakest could be beaton by guy like Adori , luslec or ancient one .
But if we were to look at the data only , irregular are for sure above right ? But some guy refuse it why ? Because we don't have enough data , and i don't blame them , we don't have that many feats .
For me , i look at the irregular , they feats , what they did .
But not only , i look at they data , and i can conclude that irregular are indeed worthy of they position .
But we don't have data of all irregular right , which is why i get why some off you say that guy like Rei or gustang could still get beaten by Adori .
I'm just going to say that knowing that the tower hasn't had any major military events for several millennia, it wouldn't be absurd to believe that every great family's #2 is a blue hole
Probably? We have dogs and felines using their own variation of mimesis. I suppose its possible but it sounds weird that other beastkin would wouldn't have their own variations of this ability (since dogs and cats have different versions of it).nn didn't use it but we don't know why. maybe she simple didn't have it or maybe she is like paul.
Dude, just take the L. You don't even know who is in the room or isn't on this issue. You just keep doubling down on misinformation.
Yas in fact did not think that Rei would "protect him and his family"
- Just two chapters ago NN informed Yas she would just be a lab rat if she stayed alive. WW did not push back. He is WELL AWARE she is an unwitting hostage. He even RAPED HER on a command. If that's your idea of 'protecting' then you don't know what the word means.
- Just ONE chapter ago Yas made a point that WW would be used and discarded, and that his own kids would be tools. WW, as is usual, did not push back. He knows this to be true. His only response what in spite of this he can't be bothered to even try.
- WW PROMISED to NN that he would move to protect the kids. He knows damn well what that means, and it doesn't mean being an experiment for Rei. When NN, through Yas, informed him the time had come to live up to his promise he didn't even try. That is NOT ADMIRABLE.
- WW has watched what has happened with his people being meatshields from the beginning. He's probably also aware of what happened to Yas' cat people (wiped out by the LPB associate)
Further, being loyal to a despotic tyrant that does experiments on people and uses them as slaves is NOT ADMIRABLE. Particularly when in doing so you continue to put your family and people at risk.
I do realize you're so stubborn that you can't acknowledge the obvious here. No one in history finds Hitler's loyal guard as admirable FFS.
OMFG, dude, I have no idea what lines are responding to what. Clean up your response format, or don't bother responding further to me.
No, that's NOT how it works (probability, empirical evidence, and studies - scientific or otherwise). You don't take what you see as a common occurrence and just assume the opposite for no reason at all. That's asinine.
Stop it. You're just arguing. There's no point in even continuing in any attempt at addressing the rest. I mean, I see assumption after assumption... you just assume blue holes are rare with no reason or backing. How do you know how many fell off the books? Etc.
Tell me where do you study that 5 or 6 individual being and use to make a global generalization .
You have 5 - 6 ancient and you assume that race can produce lot of guy like them .
Probability and serious research take a whole population or social category , accros multiple country , they never take 6 or 7 case.
You can't teach anything about probability , if you think taking 6 individual from a whole race is enough to make a general statement .
The fact is that we never saw any race right now producing 100 top 100 , even for GF .
I am just arguing ? I am not the one saying thing like like guy like Evankell are like 100 K in a single race .
That statement is one of the most ridiculous one , maybe even more ridiculous than .
Honestly i think you have a wish that ancient and native one are beast , and you would like them to rivalize or be a real threat for irregular , which you are free too .
But you are literally twisting facts here .
You are making assumption not me .
Please point where i present my statement as fact , those are only why i think is right and i tell them nothing more . If you think i am wrong about blue hole , you are free to think it , but don't come saying i make assumtion when i never present them as fact .
In fact you are showing you contradiction given that most HR and top HR were properly ranked and know , and only Khell was unknow and according to you nonsensical logic saying blue hole are rare should be true ?
So it is okay when you use you nonsensical logic about common occurence to arrive to nonsensical conclusion , but when i do it , i have no evidence ?
My guy you need some coherence here , you can argue for everything and it's contrary .
The worst part is you guy are arguing about the validity of the ranking , and you are ready to accept that what ? hundred or thousand off top 100 are hidden and RA don't list them ?
LOL, yeah, the literal (sex) slave (NN) and person he got a command to FUCK NOW OR GET PUNISHED was well-treated! I guess WW also forgot he was an experiment forced to fight and kill off other beastkin for his mad scientist 'master' as well. That's completely kosher when it comes to treatment!
Sure, sure! They could do what they wanted, clearly. To include leaving and fucking who they wanted! Wait, what's this? They couldn't? They were locked into a tower and forced into servitude? Oh, well, nevermind...
From his conversation with Yas, it is clear that WW was confident in his ability to get agreement for better conditions for the beastkin from Traum by request and that he didn't need to betray his master to achieve that. He might have been mistaken in the end, but it's also clear that Traum's anger toward WW was born from the resentment at the assumed betrayal.
"Hey, daddy-master, please treat my people that are used as expendables, my kids who are destined to replace me and be forced to fuck other unwitting bitches (literally), and my girl who had no sexual control or freedom and had to be forcibly captured really nicely, k, thanks."
WW chose his master and sought to prove his loyalty, prior to the betrayal there's no evidence of conflict or dispute between WW, his kids, and the LPB.
Literally everything was being set up to show what has been happening historically by LPB slaves, and WW himself, to also happen to his kids in the future. Not that NN is even needed after the pups are reared. What a retarded assumption (yours and his).
His posting to the outer region was supposedly an acknowledgement of having earned the trust of the LPB. As can be seen from his behavior towards Yas even after having knowledge of his betrayal, he's someone who assumes the best in people.
And we found out he fucking assumed incorrectly, didn't we? That those in the outer region were slated to be destroyed, himself included. At the very least WW is an absolute idiot, because all the hints and people making reference to that being the outcome far in advance. Rei couldn't have telegraphed the obvious any more plainly than he did, and to include WW's personal experience and what he was hearing from Yas and NN, and STILL decided to be 'loyal' (to a fault). Absolute idiocy.
Blind loyalty? Maybe it is. Alienation? Maybe it is. That's from a reader's view, but from WW's view, he played his role, and until Traum's appearance with NN's body, his master played his.
It's not a 'maybe' when this is textbook blind loyalty. "Maybe water is wet" isn't a thing.
And you can't gloss over WW making a pact with NN, then not following through. He picked an asshole over his family, so in fact he wasn't loyal - to the mother of his child(ren). NN even adopted Doom, which she didn't have to do. She is/was a 'down-ass chick' and he spit on her as a mother, who he promised to help, over comfort in not changing the status-quo.
That's not from the readers' perspective (your cop-out). WW was actively involved in screwing her over, and his kids/Yas by extension (Yas was assured through NN that WW could be trusted).
Then he should have been straight with her from the start. AND Yas/NN a fucking year later when they were under the impression he was reliable. WW created the confusion by promising two different people two conflicting vows. That's on WW, no one else. If he didn't like the pressure he should have addressed it. He's weak as a personality, if not strong physically. He attempts to make up for this actual lack of character by showing loyalty against his freedom and the freedom of others that rely on him. NOT ADMIRABLE.
And from his devotion to his principles even after so long of Yas's persistent drive to change him. He went to his death on his terms and with his head held high.
LOL, "his principals." The same principals to lie to the mother of your children in the face? To allow your people to continue to be used as disposables? Because he prioritizes his own value (in finding value as a lapdog)? What a chad!!
Casually remembers Wangwang mentioned a few chapters back that there were beastmen stronger than himself and yasratcha. i wonder if thats a throwaway point, or will have some relevance later.
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