Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...
Chang and Queatro borrowed the heavenly mirror, which contained Mad Dog Buelsar and Angel, from AA on the HT! Paul was pretty barbaric when 1st introduced so I’m guessing both are dead, but he must of ran test on the mad dog before! They had to of tortured Buelsar as well for the secret code to enter the cage for the initial coup in the beginning!
Maschenny is willing to sacrifice everything for the sake of her ambitions.
She'll burn the Empire to the ground in order to realise her goals, but if need be, she'll also lay down her life to realise those same goals.
Maschenny's determination, drive and ambition are admirable qualities. As is her willingness to sacrifice herself.
If Maschenny only sacrificed the lives of others for her goals but was unwilling to sacrifice her own life, then she wouldn't be admirable, she would just be a coward.
In a vacuum, loyalty is an admirable trait. But the person Wang is loyal to (someone that considers his life to hold less value than dust, that killed his lover and told him to his face that he would kill his children, that cares not for his feelings or hurt, that shows him neither love nor compassion). That makes the loyalty abhorrent instead of admirable.
Someone else that is exceptionally loyal and devoted is Asensio. Data Asensio was extremely devoted to Maschenny. When Maschenny told him to be ready to lay down his life in the battle against Zahard, he immediately agreed:
The difference is that Maschenny wasn't using him as a meat shield. She wasn't throwing Asensio's life away and asking him to die for her. She was also putting her life on the line:
That Maschenny actually values Asensio. That he's someone she trusts and depends on. Someone she confides in. That's what makes Asensio's devotion to her something admirable.
If Maschenny treated Asensio as if he was worth less than the dirt under her shoes, then his loyalty would also be a deplorable trait.
It's never admirable to devote yourself to people who don't value you.
And for everyone in this thread, he quite clearly started it by tagging me and calling out Maschenny.
Huh , she is literally starting a war world wide war , what you think the zahard empire , the zahard princess and innocent people live won't be involved .
Listen dude , you can like Maschenny , but don't fool yourself by thinking she is in any way a good or even grey person .
At least guy like zahard don't want war , and when they do they do it it is for a normal human emotion , same for Rei .
Maschenny literally want to start a war , that will create massacre , genocide and so much death in Edhuan and Zahard family .
I may like her , but she is the most fucked person in tower of god .
She even say herself that she can't live without bloodshed and she akonwledged how much fucked up she is .
You say , oooh she is like Ascencio which is based on nothing again , but her ambition is literally going to kill so much Khun and Zahard princess .
Stop being delusionnal , Maschenny is ready to sacrifice her life and her close one for a fucked goal and WW was ready for that too .
She is literally a demon , who seek pleasure at war and her biggest dream is constant bloodshed and war ? yeah even Zahard didn't get to that level .
I think you should read your own words here carefully and then decide for yourself why WW's actions disgust you so much.
As a matter of fact nothing written in the story so far shows any action or desire of WW that by any stretch touches Maschenny's level of "immorality".
Consider that his last action in life was sacrificing his life for the pardon of his kids and people and forgiving his backstabbing "friend".
My ultimate question in this discussion has always been "do people actually read this story to learn what the writer has to tell or to confirm their own opinions?"
Anyone on here can literally go back to the beginning of this flashback on WW, read line by line, and it'll be crazy how people in this conversation on WW's actions interpreted the behavior with such a severe condemnation. Baffling tbh.
I think you should read your own words here carefully and then decide for yourself why WW's actions disgust you so much.
As a matter of fact nothing written in the story so far shows any action or desire of WW that by any stretch touches Maschenny's level of "immorality".
Consider that his last action in life was sacrificing his life for the pardon of his kids and people and forgiving his backstabbing "friend".
My ultimate question in this discussion has always been "do people actually read this story to learn what the writer has to tell or to confirm their own opinions?"
Anyone on here can literally go back to the beginning of this flashback on WW, read line by line, and it'll be crazy how people in this conversation on WW's actions interpreted the behavior with such a severe condemnation. Baffling tbh.
I think you should read your own words here carefully and then decide for yourself why WW's actions disgust you so much.
As a matter of fact nothing written in the story so far shows any action or desire of WW that by any stretch touches Maschenny's level of "immorality".
Consider that his last action in life was sacrificing his life for the pardon of his kids and people and forgiving his backstabbing "friend".
My ultimate question in this discussion has always been "do people actually read this story to learn what the writer has to tell or to confirm their own opinions?"
Anyone on here can literally go back to the beginning of this flashback on WW, read line by line, and it'll be crazy how people in this conversation on WW's actions interpreted the behavior with such a severe condemnation. Baffling tbh.
Yep , from the beginning WW stated he want a master and he wanted to die from him .
His nature was defined very easily and early on .
he nevr talked about whether that master was a good or evil person .
Now i can see why people dislike him , but WW lived his life the way he wanted , it was just idiot Yas who wanted WW and well NN wanted to see her child which is normal .
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT: It's like this, Rachel stands in front of the door with Bam standing/following her. Bam reaches out for Rachel, but in so doing, the door senses his aura and decides it needs Bam in the Tower. Bam's power leaks out and opens the door, Rachel who is in front of and maybe in contact with him gets pushed in ahead/but practically together with Bam.
Bam looses consciousness from the energy flow, Rachel didn't since she did absolutely nothing,
At this point headon tries Rachel with the steel eel test which she failed. Bam wakes up, Headon hides Rachel, Bam takes the steel eel test and passes and goes to the floor of testing.
Rachel begs like a dog to get in and headon entraps her into a plot that involves FUG.
Huh , she is literally starting a war world wide war , what you think the zahard empire , the zahard princess and innocent people live won't be involved .
Listen dude , you can like Maschenny , but don't fool yourself by thinking she is in any way a good or even grey person .
At least guy like zahard don't want war , and when they do they do it it is for a normal human emotion , same for Rei .
Maschenny literally want to start a war , that will create massacre , genocide and so much death in Edhuan and Zahard family .
I may like her , but she is the most fucked person in tower of god .
She even say herself that she can't live without bloodshed and she akonwledged how much fucked up she is .
You say , oooh she is like Ascencio which is based on nothing again , but her ambition is literally going to kill so much Khun and Zahard princess .
Stop being delusionnal , Maschenny is ready to sacrifice her life and her close one for a fucked goal and WW was ready for that too .
She is literally a demon , who seek pleasure at war and her biggest dream is constant bloodshed and war ? yeah even Zahard didn't get to that level .
Battle in the nest was orchestrated by Zahard and HQ alongside with LPB family.
Repelista told Maschenny about baam on HT
Repelista told Yuri about baam on HT
Repelista planed this part using both Yuri and Mas.
but before all of this the captains already knew about this battle thounsand of year before it happens
how is mas the orchestrator? She’s leading by her desire in somebody chess table..
and im not trying to deny you im just trying to save you from cineras genjutsu
I see that you start to believe That Mas is really a variable in the Chess table
When you are one of the most devoted FH priest.
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but wasn't the eye burning effect caused by Traum's fish? His eyes were drawn with the same effect as the dogs' when being burnt. I think this beast is what burnt their eyes.
If it's actually this, then I could see Yamma and Acrinak having a rematch against the thing that helped kill his mother and perhaps blinded his right-hand canine.
My ultimate question in this discussion has always been "do people actually read this story to learn what the writer has to tell or to confirm their own opinions?"
Wow, you're really doing god's own work, aren't you? Not only is this needlessly condescending (as per usual from you), it's hilarious. (Psychologist's fallacy)
No. No, it hasn't been. Because that's exactly what YOU have been doing: you've been attempting to shoehorn your own opinion as a square peg into the round hole that is SIU's story - at least in regard to WW and the last few chapters (this one particularly).
Multiple people have tried to explain it to you, several times, at length, and you still sit on your high-horse and talk down to others that they are guilty of reading into the story while you aren't. See, you only deal in cold, hard objective truths and facts. Curiously while dodging holes in your narrative that others bring up as their subjective opinions; also known as a cop-out....
Let's see some of those 'facts' you haven't gotten anywhere near correct:
- WW was after Yas' life - the story quite literally showed the opposite of this, in this very chapter. Yes, yes he SAID he wanted to kill Yas. That was misdirection quite clearly to everyone else.
- That WW had no way of knowing in advance that the fate of his family and people would be anything but their Best Life Ever. This is laughable on its face considering how WW was brought up to kill other beastkin for sport/testing and all the advanced warnings he kept getting from his peers.
- That WW is a loyal chap while readily-admitting he betrayed NN. He picked one loyalty over the other, you still don't get this. But, in doing so, he betrayed the one that treated him better, that he loved, that was reciprocal in that love, that birthed his son, that accepted his other non-biological son, and that only wanted them to have a better life. That over a madman. But you just keep repeating how loyalty to a madman is somehow admirable (appeal to nature fallacy) while missing the forest for the trees. It's on purpose at this point, and you're embarrassing yourself.
- And my personal favorite, that you doubled-down on and STILL haven't acknowledged as incorrect - that Yas 'told' on WW in front of Rei in the throne-roomn (presumably to cause harm to WW is your incorrect theory). Even in spite of Yas' reaction at the end proving he didn't expect Rei to get involved. Even in spite of the dialog with Kirin proving Rei wasn't present because Yas was speaking to him and not Rei. Even in spite of Kirin saying he'll have to ask for permission to see what he can do (hello, if Rei was there he'd answer immediately or weigh in as we've seen him do). Even in spite of any actual image of Rei, or words by Rei. Even in spite of the focal point being Kirin's throne and nothing more. I mean, you can't even identify who is and who isn't in the room between the full images of the chapter AND the text dialog. Your 'theory' of this came out after both were available.
You haven't acknowledged any of this - and more - you just gloss over these glaring issues with your narrative and repeatedly think condescending to others helps your case. Your first response to me was that you were "just trying to introduce me to the facts of the story" as if you personally have the monopoly on facts and correct reading, yet you've proven that to be anything but the case.
Just repeating a lie enough does in fact not make it true (proof by assertion fallacy). And if you're going to continue patronizing other people, at least get your/the facts straight first. Not throwing rocks in glass houses and all that.
Anyone on here can literally go back to the beginning of this flashback on WW, read line by line, and it'll be crazy how people in this conversation on WW's actions interpreted the behavior with such a severe condemnation. Baffling tbh.
This is a hilarious example of irony and lack of self-awareness.
What is "baffling" and "crazy" (argument from incredulity fallacy/appeal to ridicule fallacy) is how someone that could get so many things wrong and then try to act like the others are massaging nuances that don't exist into the plot. While glossing over their own inconsistencies and ignoring the parts of the story that contradict an opinion they seem to be married to for peculiar, stubborn reasons at this point.
Oh, and your latest attempt of latching onto a conversation that questions Mas' ethics does not somehow validate your own opinions of WW (which aren't backed up by the actual story). Whether Mas is or isn't a ethical player doesn't somehow make WW an "admirable" character as you put it. Their circumstances and responses are completely different. (false equivalency fallacy)
Well, I know for certain at least a handful will take the contrarian opinion to actual actions and dialog just to act superior to the others with the accurate read and response/takeaway.
Bloodmadder: [eats a bunch of babies, feet-first just to hear their screams]
Idiot Apologists: That is admirable. They're just NPCs after all. Hendo is just living his truth, which I admire. At least the babies were treated nicely before they were eaten.
Yep , from the beginning WW stated he want a master and he wanted to die from him .
His nature was defined very easily and early on .
he nevr talked about whether that master was a good or evil person .
Now i can see why people dislike him , but WW lived his life the way he wanted , it was just idiot Yas who wanted WW and well NN wanted to see her child which is normal .
WELL.......Let's qualify that a bit. Take a normal kid, kidnap him, torture him and perform abnormal, malicious experiments on him, turn him into a half dog/half human.
If the kid says abnormal things like "I want to die for my master" Is this really a normal thing? Isn't his higher human sense being overwritten by the dog DNA forcibly put in him? Can we say this is the way he wanted to live, when this actually the way he was forced to live by a slimeball who never respected the human right of the kid in the first place?
And as for "idiot yas"
Isn't he also just behaving like a cat, just the way Rei (probably he started the chimer experiments) programmed him to behave? Can we really call him an idiot for behaving how his DNA drives him to behave?
I mean, cha is obviously absurdly powerful even by CC standards. its impossible to place him anywhere specific power wise but the fact remains that every single time cha has made a move characters around him have gone WTF. Just the fact that he was a fisherman in a team where dowon was a member should be pretty telling...
I mean, cha is obviously absurdly powerful even by CC standards. its impossible to place him anywhere specific power wise but the fact remains that every single time cha has made a move characters around him have gone WTF. Just the fact that he was a fisherman in a team where dowon was a member should be pretty telling...
You can kick as much as you want, but that doesn't change the fact that WW is a mediocre character, he was created for that.
Just as Rachel and Wangnan are despicable and annoying, this is the goal of SIU, to show that the side effect of creating the beastkin is precisely this stereotyped instinct taken to the extreme. Also because a real dog will not be loyal while being mistreated or cats are not insensitive monsters either. SIU just exaggerated the concepts for her narrative.
You may like WW, but it doesn't make any sense to defend his actions and put him as the hero of this flashback or worse, the victim, because the victim here is NN and the kids.
I love Yasratcha, but that doesn't make him any less of a son of a bitch than he is. lmao
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