Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...
My point is stop wasting your time with long writing about WW he’s dead he belong there cause he was a mere dog look what we have now..
This the face of the future of the beastkin
They make that face when they hear
About 3 BH, one princesses of zahard, 3 coprs commander and a lot troops
Lets talk about them not WW he’s a walking L
I actually really like the concept of the mad dog .
A indomitable race , that are ready to fight till death for whatever reasons .
Just that panel is amazing .
So far i am really liking the developement of this current Slayer .
I was really dissapointed by how it started , but Yama seems to have real potentiel .
I am just afraid to see how far SIU will take it .
If Yama will really inherite Akrinac and get the 3 fang . Will he able to reach the level of hagi for example ? Will Yama get a lot more HR thanks to Doom power ? Will Doom get full T ? Will Yama get really serious and involve himself in FUg operation ?
I hope to see the same level of work for other Slayer .
In the end they will never beat a FH , but if they take down guy like Hagi , molic , top princess for Baam it will already be good .
As for White , given that he is now Vicente , which i dislike . But right now he seems to be a mere HR that even ascencio look down on . He has nor force and don't seem to have regained his position and title . So i don't get where he is going from now on . I also don't want him to be a good guy , but more grey .
As for Karaka , i like him , he is simply badass but for him to get strong will take too much time . Maybe Wangnan will help him with the sword or whatever .
I think yas joining Yama may be too much but seing his developement is also interesting .
- no one faulted Nazi police dogs for being loyal
- but they did fault Himmler
Pick one, you can't have both:
- WW is *just* a dog, and is just following his programming. Roomba's aren't commendable for following their programming. Neither are meat puppets as robots. WW doesn't get a pat on his back as going above and beyond, because he's just doing what dogs do.
or
- WW has human emotions. He's well aware of concepts of decorum, fear, loyalty, betrayal, desire, concern, spite, manipulation, and so on. All higher-tier thoughts that mere dogs don't have, nor comprehend. WW is aware of his actions relevant to others. This awareness of others dogs don't have, and baby humans have to develop. As a higher being, his good actions are commendable and his bad actions are reprehensible.
Now, WW obviously has elements of both, but you can't argue he's not aware of the higher concepts in the later part.
You can't say he's commendable for just being a dog (whoopee) in the human sense because humans know better than to, say, be loyal to a gangster and know to take care of their family as a higher priority than where their next meal is coming from and so on.
An ACTUAL admirable trait would have been to forcibly override his instincts to selflessly act for others instead of himself - as he did until the final moment when he FINALLY acted for others (too little too late - the chance to save himself had already passed anyways). That's what makes a hero, someone that puts themselves and their selfish desires of want and respect and self-protection SECONDARY to others.
But all of this shouldn't need saying, because this shit is common sense.
You know in the end , no one can win in this argument , everyone understand what you mean , but also need to understand that not everyone value the same thing .
For example @Cinera like Maschenny , and maybe for the same reason as me , that she is able to be herself no matter the price , even if it means her death .
I personally like that trait , but if we are honest she may be the most evil person ever .
The same way , people like Baam , him having no goal despite having this much power . But personally i look down on Baam .
Wangnan is absolutely hated , because he is weak and he act like a protagonist when he isn't . I actually like him because staying true to yourself is the hardest when you are weak ( even more reason why i look down on Baam who is easily corrupted when he is that talented and didn't suffer that much ) .
Most may like AA , when if we are honest he is a terrible person . Because he is cocky and intelligent .
The author like Rachel , which is very weird , but he may see something that i don't ....
My point is that people don't value the same thing , i could shit all day and shit on his fan , same for MAschenny and AA fan ( to be honest you speak of Rei as being Hitler i am quite sure some Baam friend quality too in that case ) or just accept that people value different thing and it is what make us different .
I don't understand why people like Baam , i like Wangnan and you guys probably don't see why , but we are just different people with different experience and honestly just saying that person look like Hitler , won't prevent @Cinera from liking Maschenny , won't prevent me from liking Wangnan or @sazon from liking Androssi .
as for the hero point , i don't even think speaking of hero in such a manwha is pertinent .
I understand there is no way , that i can make you understand why him staying true to his nature may be admirable , and won't try anymore because it is clear that you are disguted by him which i am also but i don't reduce him to just his bad side .
For me , beast kin are not shackled by they nature , but they are heavily influenced .
For example , they should feel a intense attraction toward certain habits , the same way men feel a drive toward sex , toward security and all those stuff , we can't help it , but it doesn't mean that we are unfree .
The same way yas couldn't let go of WW , same for that lion it seems .
Yas never tough he was unfree , but some people could say , why did he need WW to be with him ?
WW never wanted to be a hero , he just wanted to be happy . Which was extremely selfish i get it , but he never wanted those thing in the first place .
After rereading S3ch107 on WEBTOON, noticed that Lyb said to Kallavan that Jahad is preparing for the great rift that will occur in the future! Thinking about it some more, it seems like Jahad is sacrificing the LPB army/ Family here! Building up propaganda for his side and spotlighting the threat that is Baam and Gustang’s group! LPB are going to fall here!
I find it comical that Yas’ squadron is responsible for pest control, the same pest his FH created LMFAO!!!
I still think that was the plan. If he DIDN'T then it would have, in their minds, created a scenario that he couldn't control the response to - Rei coming online.
It is very clear given his response in the outer area that he fully expected NN to not have died/made it out/was waiting and didn't expect to see Rei at all - because of his orchestrations.
as it stands we have no reason to believe it was part of the plan. and his betrayal having different consequences than he expected doesnt make it any less of a betrayal. for all you know he was shocked/scared because the plan being altered might signal that he was also on the chopping block.
Also another takeaway from Yas’s fb, Traum has been preparing for something for quite sometime now! My belief is he has been preparing for Baam, and has been trying to find a way to control him to use against Jahad!
His current intentions were for JH to be sealed in order to control Baam, so whoever/whatever is currently sealed is being used against someone outside!
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Gustang too has been preparing for Baam’s arrival.
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Mas said earlier to JH that their goals are the same and now she’s working an opp for the LPB army! I think Jahad has already seen Traum’s betrayal!!!
We know for a fact that he didn't intend Rei to get involved at any level - in the outer area or in the LPB territory. We also know seeing NN was a surprise to him. We also know he said NN would be waiting for WW. Still not seeing that as a betrayal all things considered.
We know what he did say, and what he didn't, when Rei arrived. We know he thinks - inarguably - that he had no reason to believe Rei would get involved and rather the opposite - that he wouldn't. His reaction wasn't 'oh, shit, I've been made!'
Further, Rei is the only one that could have disrupted his plans. He even remarks he is the ONLY one that could have teleported in, as we see him do. Others wouldn't know to do that if his story was bought as he sold it, and they would also need permission. Which involves Rei. Which, again, has been established as not to be involved as he expected.
Even further, how much sense does it take to get NN caught? Especially if he doesn't want Rei involved. I mean... play that out. He purposefully gets NN caught, which triggers her telling on Yas/WW and the whole plot if taken alive, which in turn could a) trigger Rei and b) Yas can't play stupid now.
He has no reason to throw her under the bus with Rei (the only one that could stand up to Acrinak) and every reason not to.
You know in the end , no one can win in this argument , everyone understand what you mean , but also need to understand that not everyone value the same thing .
This just seems like an appeal to moderation to me.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. They aren't entitled to their own facts.
And if their opinion is supposedly based on factual information, but it glosses over facts that contradict said opinion, and outright states false data, and makes assumption, well THAT opinion is less valid.
This isn't 'hey, let's speculate on what color Androssi's panties are' or 'I do or don't like White's fighting style' or whatever subjective or baseless speculation.
Although, as I've said previously, I've never heard of the 'loyalty to a despot is admirable' argument. So everyone has an opinion. Good stuff I guess.
All wang wang did here was pretty much stand around. And assholes just blindsided him with random stuff. There is no scenario where ww could have done more or NN's plan worked.
On one hand, this is kind of true as most of WW's dialogue has been "ummmm..." or "......." or "ahhhhh..." or "hmmm..."
On the other hand, he has been pretty explicit on multiple occasions stating what type of lifestyle he wants to have. So, he knows what he is doing and not doing - he's not an unwilling participant.
He also very much was involved when making a vow to the face of the mother of his children. One that revolved around the most important thing a father SHOULD care about, his kids. That wasn't exactly passive.
He also stood silently while getting opinions and plans far, far in advance.
He also knew damn well what kind of person Rei was because he was brought up in it. He saw what happens with dogkin at the hand of Rei. He saw what happened to breeding stock beastkin females which were essentially rape stock. He knows he was instructed to bang OR ELSE. He's not blind or deaf. Dumb perhaps.
So, he can't exactly plead ignorance either.
Although your last sentence is true - even if he tried he didn't know, any more than Yas or NN did, that Rei was ALREADY planning on getting personally involved and wiping out the doggos in the outside territory. So try or not try, the results would have been the same for their fate the moment the ball got started rolling. But he didn't even bother to try.
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Wise man once say:
"If you chose not to decide you still have made a choice"
We have no reason to think otherwise. In fact we have more evidence that it wasn't intended than it was. We can speak in degrees of likelihood.
We know for a fact that he didn't intend Rei to get involved at any level - in the outer area or in the LPB territory. We also know seeing NN was a surprise to him. We also know he said NN would be waiting for WW. Still not seeing that as a betrayal all things considered.
We know what he did say, and what he didn't, when Rei arrived. We know he thinks - inarguably - that he had no reason to believe Rei would get involved and rather the opposite - that he wouldn't. His reaction wasn't 'oh, shit, I've been made!'
Further, Rei is the only one that could have disrupted his plans. He even remarks he is the ONLY one that could have teleported in, as we see him do. Others wouldn't know to do that if his story was bought as he sold it, and they would also need permission. Which involves Rei. Which, again, has been established as not to be involved as he expected.
Even further, how much sense does it take to get NN caught? Especially if he doesn't want Rei involved. I mean... play that out. He purposefully gets NN caught, which triggers her telling on Yas/WW and the whole plot if taken alive, which in turn could a) trigger Rei and b) Yas can't play stupid now.
He has no reason to throw her under the bus with Rei (the only one that could stand up to Acrinak) and every reason not to.
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This just seems like an appeal to moderation to me.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. They aren't entitled to their own facts.
And if their opinion is supposedly based on factual information, but it glosses over facts that contradict said opinion, and outright states false data, and makes assumption, well THAT opinion is less valid.
This isn't 'hey, let's speculate on what color Androssi's panties are' or 'I do or don't like White's fighting style' or whatever subjective or baseless speculation.
Although, as I've said previously, I've never heard of the 'loyalty to a despot is admirable' argument. So everyone has an opinion. Good stuff I guess.
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On one hand, this is kind of true as most of WW's dialogue has been "ummmm..." or "......." or "ahhhhh..." or "hmmm..."
On the other hand, he has been pretty explicit on multiple occasions stating what type of lifestyle he wants to have. So, he knows what he is doing and not doing - he's not an unwilling participant.
He also very much was involved when making a vow to the face of the mother of his children. One that revolved around the most important thing a father SHOULD care about, his kids. That wasn't exactly passive.
He also stood silently while getting opinions and plans far, far in advance.
He also knew damn well what kind of person Rei was because he was brought up in it. He saw what happens with dogkin at the hand of Rei. He saw what happened to breeding stock beastkin females which were essentially rape stock. He knows he was instructed to bang OR ELSE. He's not blind or deaf. Dumb perhaps.
So, he can't exactly plead ignorance either.
Although your last sentence is true - even if he tried he didn't know, any more than Yas or NN did, that Rei was ALREADY planning on getting personally involved and wiping out the doggos in the outside territory. So try or not try, the results would have been the same for their fate the moment the ball got started rolling. But he didn't even bother to try.
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Wise man once say:
"If you chose not to decide you still have made a choice"
telling the enemy your plans in the absence of a reason why you need to do that is the clearest cut case of treachery possible. what does sui really have to come out and say this is treachery guys he's backstabbing nennen here guys literally spelling it out for you? wow just wow i think i am done here.
You know in the end , no one can win in this argument , everyone understand what you mean , but also need to understand that not everyone value the same thing .
For example @Cinera like Maschenny , and maybe for the same reason as me , that she is able to be herself no matter the price , even if it means her death .
I personally like that trait , but if we are honest she may be the most evil person ever .
The same way , people like Baam , him having no goal despite having this much power . But personally i look down on Baam .
Wangnan is absolutely hated , because he is weak and he act like a protagonist when he isn't . I actually like him because staying true to yourself is the hardest when you are weak ( even more reason why i look down on Baam who is easily corrupted when he is that talented and didn't suffer that much ) .
Most may like AA , when if we are honest he is a terrible person . Because he is cocky and intelligent .
The author like Rachel , which is very weird , but he may see something that i don't ....
My point is that people don't value the same thing , i could shit all day and shit on his fan , same for MAschenny and AA fan ( to be honest you speak of Rei as being Hitler i am quite sure some Baam friend quality too in that case ) or just accept that people value different thing and it is what make us different .
I don't understand why people like Baam , i like Wangnan and you guys probably don't see why , but we are just different people with different experience and honestly just saying that person look like Hitler , won't prevent @/Cinera from liking Maschenny , won't prevent me from liking Wangnan or @/sazon from liking Androssi .
im going to have to disagree with you that Bam didnt suffer much and that he's corrupted (he's not innocent anymore sure but for me that's just him maturing and accepting that he would have to go through those lengths to keep the others safe). It's both kind of irrational and unfair to measure one's suffering. He might not lose all his friends but the majority of his years in the tower he has lived through, these friends were threatened constantly and people who are associated with him, even if they're not with him currently, aren't safe. He's seen them hurt or believe some of the them died time to time. Him having trauma and being reckless when it comes to trying to save them is very realistic especially considering his upbringing and experience in the whole journey.
Being talented is also nothing when people don't even see you as a person outside what your talent can offer to them. Nor is it everything. AA is talented and intelligent yet his mother would only see his value for his contributions (as well as Kaiser and Endorsi who are also used only to fuel their family's standing). Cheonhee is very talented yet is treated unfairly because she was the daughter of a lowly courtesan. So to downplay Bam's suffering just because he is talented just isn't rational. Because of how special he is, it's almost a curse. Bam is capable of feeling rage and he doesn't do things simply because of usual vices for fun.
He's not my fave (I love AA, Isu and Hatz the most. Wangnan is in my top characters for sure) but i do admire that he still has that good heart and how he doesn't descend to feeling wrathful and he is accepting of few others despite everything that happened to him. And I do appreciate that he is more gray and aware of his morality at Season 3. I can't say much why others like him but I don't see why it should be my business to judge on others who like the others even if i hate said character.
Other than that I agree that people have different views, preferences and experiences when it comes to characters in general.
telling the enemy your plans in the absence of a reason why you need to do that is the clearest cut case of treachery possible. what does sui really have to come out and say this is treachery guys he's backstabbing nennen here guys literally spelling it out for you? wow just wow i think i am done here.
telling the enemy your plans in the absence of a reason why you need to do that is the clearest cut case of treachery possible. what does sui really have to come out and say this is treachery guys he's backstabbing nennen here guys literally spelling it out for you? wow just wow i think i am done here.
Yas probably wants to control the response when LPB detect the treachery from NN and co, especially when doing it quietly is not possible. In fact NN went guns blazing out to try save her kids. Yas thought that since LPB knows the attack in advance, they will narrow their eyes on NN and put forth an appropriate force (instead of a too big force because LPB don't have intel of the size of the enemy yet without Yas telling it). Yas knows how capable is NN who stunned the LPB army against her (Acrinak), so Yas isn't expecting NN to fall, but then Rei intervene, thus they failed.
im going to have to disagree with you that Bam didnt suffer much and that he's corrupted (he's not innocent anymore sure but for me that's just him maturing and accepting that he would have to go through those lengths to keep the others safe). It's both kind of irrational and unfair to measure one's suffering. He might not lose all his friends but the majority of his years in the tower he has lived through, these friends were threatened constantly and people who are associated with him, even if they're not with him currently, aren't safe. He's seen them hurt or believe some of the them died time to time. Him having trauma and being reckless when it comes to trying to save them is very realistic especially considering his upbringing and experience in the whole journey.
Being talented is also nothing when people don't even see you as a person outside what your talent can offer to them. Nor is it everything. AA is talented and intelligent yet his mother would only see his value for his contributions (as well as Kaiser and Endorsi who are also used only to fuel their family's standing). Cheonhee is very talented yet is treated unfairly because she was the daughter of a lowly courtesan. So to downplay Bam's suffering just because he is talented just isn't rational. Because of how special he is, it's almost a curse. Bam is capable of feeling rage and he doesn't do things simply because of usual vices for fun.
He's not my fave (I love AA, Isu and Hatz the most. Wangnan is in my top characters for sure) but i do admire that he still has that good heart and how he doesn't descend to feeling wrathful and he is accepting of few others despite everything that happened to him. And I do appreciate that he is more gray and aware of his morality at Season 3. I can't say much why others like him but I don't see why it should be my business to judge on others who like the others even if i hate said character.
Other than that I agree that people have different views, preferences and experiences when it comes to characters in general.
We have no reason to think otherwise. In fact we have more evidence that it wasn't intended than it was. We can speak in degrees of likelihood.
We know for a fact that he didn't intend Rei to get involved at any level - in the outer area or in the LPB territory. We also know seeing NN was a surprise to him. We also know he said NN would be waiting for WW. Still not seeing that as a betrayal all things considered.
We know what he did say, and what he didn't, when Rei arrived. We know he thinks - inarguably - that he had no reason to believe Rei would get involved and rather the opposite - that he wouldn't. His reaction wasn't 'oh, shit, I've been made!'
Further, Rei is the only one that could have disrupted his plans. He even remarks he is the ONLY one that could have teleported in, as we see him do. Others wouldn't know to do that if his story was bought as he sold it, and they would also need permission. Which involves Rei. Which, again, has been established as not to be involved as he expected.
Even further, how much sense does it take to get NN caught? Especially if he doesn't want Rei involved. I mean... play that out. He purposefully gets NN caught, which triggers her telling on Yas/WW and the whole plot if taken alive, which in turn could a) trigger Rei and b) Yas can't play stupid now.
He has no reason to throw her under the bus with Rei (the only one that could stand up to Acrinak) and every reason not to.
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This just seems like an appeal to moderation to me.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. They aren't entitled to their own facts.
And if their opinion is supposedly based on factual information, but it glosses over facts that contradict said opinion, and outright states false data, and makes assumption, well THAT opinion is less valid.
This isn't 'hey, let's speculate on what color Androssi's panties are' or 'I do or don't like White's fighting style' or whatever subjective or baseless speculation.
Although, as I've said previously, I've never heard of the 'loyalty to a despot is admirable' argument. So everyone has an opinion. Good stuff I guess.
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On one hand, this is kind of true as most of WW's dialogue has been "ummmm..." or "......." or "ahhhhh..." or "hmmm..."
On the other hand, he has been pretty explicit on multiple occasions stating what type of lifestyle he wants to have. So, he knows what he is doing and not doing - he's not an unwilling participant.
He also very much was involved when making a vow to the face of the mother of his children. One that revolved around the most important thing a father SHOULD care about, his kids. That wasn't exactly passive.
He also stood silently while getting opinions and plans far, far in advance.
He also knew damn well what kind of person Rei was because he was brought up in it. He saw what happens with dogkin at the hand of Rei. He saw what happened to breeding stock beastkin females which were essentially rape stock. He knows he was instructed to bang OR ELSE. He's not blind or deaf. Dumb perhaps.
So, he can't exactly plead ignorance either.
Although your last sentence is true - even if he tried he didn't know, any more than Yas or NN did, that Rei was ALREADY planning on getting personally involved and wiping out the doggos in the outside territory. So try or not try, the results would have been the same for their fate the moment the ball got started rolling. But he didn't even bother to try.
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Wise man once say:
"If you chose not to decide you still have made a choice"
This discussion is already becoming a drag. It is more than clear that Yas never betrayed NN and WW and that Traumerai was acting personally. He went to Kirin and made sure that a BH wasn't involved and that he could take the werehounds that were on the mother ship.
But in the end, it all went wrong because Trau got involved, end. Seriously, this is very obvious, seriously, review Yas' actions from the wall, did he do everything to protect the Baylord brothers, in a twisted way? damn it, after all he wanted them to live hidden forever, because like Lyborick and Hoaqin, he has already succumbed to the strength of the FH and doesn't want the same fate for Yama and the others given everything NN did to save them.
Hope next chapter we get back to the present. Seems the flashback has told us enough of Yas, WW and NN's backstory, and a little tidbit about Rei's little speech on being betrayed again. Maybe we get some Jinsung action before going Baam's side and have a look on who was sealed inside the suspendium.
That statement was more or less directed to the part below for the parts before the "or", unless you misworded it (it can be confusing and contradicting).
>>>>>>"My point is that people don't value the same thing , i could shit all day and shit on his fan , same for MAschenny and AA fan ( to be honest you speak of Rei as being Hitler i am quite sure some Baam friend quality too in that case ) or just accept that people value different thing and it is what make us different ."<<<<<<
Most of my post was about my disagreement that Bam didn't suffer much and how disappointing he was easily "corrupted" when he was very talented. Outside those statements I was in agreement with a lot of points. That's all I'll give to this topic since it's getting off-topic now.
Hope next chapter we get back to the present. Seems the flashback has told us enough of Yas, WW and NN's backstory, and a little tidbit about Rei's little speech on being betrayed again. Maybe we get some Jinsung action before going Baam's side and have a look on who was sealed inside the suspendium.
IS obviously going to be another flashback chapter unfortunately...i've been hoping for flashback to end a few chapters ago and it never did. Jinsung dies too, there is no way he can hold off long enough against 2 guys
IS obviously going to be another flashback chapter unfortunately...i've been hoping for flashback to end a few chapters ago and it never did. Jinsung dies too, there is no way he can hold off long enough against 2 guys
I think Baam will arrive with whatever powerup he will get to save Jinsung,Jinsung isn't dying i think.His survival (and escape) is necessary for Baam to gain the credibility that yes he is the one who can deal a blow to the Zahard empire.
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