Chapter Tower of God Chapter 530 Spoilers & Discussion

[Cinera]

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[Jyu viole grace]

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Translated chapter (by alpha scans)---

Tower Of God Chapter 530 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[Jubei_Kibagami]

So, if whatever it is in the seal has the power to thwart Rei, how did Rei ever seal it to begin with?

Another example of a weak host like we saw with NN and the Acrinak?

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I 've got really busy today bro.I havenot even check todays chapter yet.
I am really sorry for not posting any spoiler guys

How DARE you have V-day weekend off and to yourself!

But really, you aren't missing much.

 

[Theorist05]

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Yuri throwing some intense love

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Yuri throwing some intense love

A missed opportunity to use rose shower.

 

[Cinera]

So Purdi is Deidara from Akutski but instead of clay he uses feathers

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Owl definitely was not defeating Akrinic in the fb!

Purdi has binocular vision like an owl and creates exploding owls… pretty lack luster if you ask me

Pudidy doesn't have his animal. Compare Dokoko with the Windbird to Dokoko without the Windbird. This is Pudidy without his equivalent of the Windbird.

He's probably far from being able to utilise his full strength.

To be fair, Kallavan went EoB *because* he knew just how strong Jinsung is/was. At least owl should have some clue, so holding back for him makes little sense. I get your point from a storytelling perspective, but from a practical one that would be like if you were fighting Mike Tyson and you started pulling your punches.

See above. Pudidy isn't deliberately holding back. He just left his main asset at home.

Looks like Purdi and Holan are succeeding here! They’ve managed to push JH all the way back, nearing the exit! Mas and Ascensio are up NEXT!

Kek. Pudidy and Co aren't making it out of that tunnel.

 

[AshDVanguard]

Evankhell was only #60 because she was the Ruler of the Floor of Tests. When she lost her position, she was kicked out of the Top 100. Jinsung has no special position and yet he's still a Top 100 High Ranker.

Jinsung doesnt have have a floor ruler status but im certain him killing a whole branch family plays into his legend and boosted his rank just as much as evk being a ruler did, only difference is evk can get fired and the dead ha ppl cant be revived

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

See above. Pudidy isn't deliberately holding back. He just left his main asset at home.

Which makes about as much sense as White leaving his best sword behind.

No one is hurting anyone so far, so I fully expect more out of both sides unless something else happens and their fight resolves without a death as a stalemate.

 

[Realuffy]

seal circles is
maybe Traumerei's wife or some creature he can't control

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I think we can rule out a 13mo at this point. Not that it ever really made sense.

 

[Cinera]

None of the LPB have been particularly impressive when it comes to intelligence.

I’m calling BS the fact that pudidy doesn’t have his big owl. Siu said multiple times anima always have their shinheuh with them, they have bowl for a reason and shinheuh have compressed form. That is just a way to make jinsung successful in his mission.

Exactly. It makes no sense. It's a fucking summon. It's not like they have to lug it around, or check it as luggage at the airport to be held in baggage.

IMO there's a legitimate justification for Pudidy leaving his Eagle Owl behind:

The main force of the Lo Po Bia Family is assembled on the Mother Ship for the war with the Po Bidau Family. The people Pudidy was prepared to fight were the Po Bidau not Jinsung. It may be the case that his main Owl is so large that transporting it is inconvenient.

Furthermore, I should stress that Owl was not expecting to fight anyone of significance. They were told that Maschenny had captured Baam in the Teleporter Ship and that Jinsung's sealing would start soon. Owl was expecting to head inside the Nest, meet Maschenny collect the Irregular present him to the Family Leader and they would return to the Mother Ship.

Given such an impression, it's kind of understandable that he didn't bring along his big guns. Rather than being stupid, he's just a victim of misinformation.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

IMO there's a legitimate justification for Pudidy leaving his Eagle Owl behind.

But... it's a summon.

a) it should take up no physical space, or a be any burden to travel with
b) if you're escorting a king, particularly in a time of war, you should be prepared for anything at any time
c) it does him no good at the mothership either way, it's only valuable when he has it to use on his person, thus there's only a negative to not bringing it, and no positive



I mean, we know that's SIU's *explanation* as to why he doesn't have it. Rather it comes across as an excuse.

I think this means SIU has no intention of killing anyone in that tunnel. There's ALWAYS some reason no one wins or loses completely 'clean'. I fully expect no one to win or lose now, as SIU has purposefully handicapped Owl. He wouldn't allude to his strongest ace up his sleeve just to kill him here.

 

[Cinera]

Jinsung doesnt have have a floor ruler status but im certain him killing a whole branch family plays into his legend and boosted his rank just as much as evk being a ruler did, only difference is evk can get fired and the dead ha ppl cant be revived

No, that's an idiotic argument. Your accomplishments cannot be taken away no matter what. Jinsung's accomplishments are worthy of Top 100 High Ranker while Evankhell's (slaughtering a Floor Ruler, the Last Station, being a mercenary that fought in many battlefields, etc.) are not.

Trying to equate Jinsung's legitimate accomplishments to Evankhell's Ruler position is inane.

I think we can rule out a 13mo at this point. Not that it ever really made sense.

Yep. The desire for revenge on the Lo Po Bia Family was always a strong indication against it.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Yep. The desire for revenge on the Lo Po Bia Family was always a strong indication against it.

Plus, an upstart 13mo would more than likely fall on Zahard, or one of his princesses, to deal with and seal.

Plus, 13mo's can certainly be 'heard' by others in the tower, namely the princesses, but anyone else capable of wielding an ignition weapon of that caliber. Not limited to irregulars.

 

[Cinera]

Which makes about as much sense as White leaving his best sword behind.

The difference is that Pudidy didn't really believe that he was heading for battle. He expected to play the role of a glorified delivery boy:

• Meet the Princess.
• Collect the Irregular boy.
• Present the Irregular boy to the Family Leader.

No fighting was supposed to be involved. If I'm not mistaken, after Pudidy makes the statement of leaving behind his Eagle Owl, he wonders what Maschenny is up to (showing that they had no suspicions of her betrayal prior to that point).

a) it should take up no physical space, or a be any burden to travel with

The Ancient Odd Eyed Cobra is shown to have wrapped itself around the Frozen Waterfall instead of getting summoned as at when needed, so maybe not.

b) if you're escorting a king, particularly in a time of war, you should be prepared for anything at any time

The information he had been given suggested that no fighting would be required at all. He was acting under that information.

c) it does him no good at the mothership either way, it's only valuable when he has it to use on his person, thus there's only a negative to not bringing it, and no positive

True, but maybe moving it around is not trivial (again, see the Ancient Odd Eyed Cobra).

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

The difference is that Pudidy didn't really believe that he was heading for battle. He expected to play the role of a glorified delivery boy:

• Meet the Princess.
• Collect the Irregular boy.
• Present the Irregular boy to the Family Leader.

No fighting was supposed to be involved. If I'm not mistaken, after Pudidy makes the statement of leaving behind his Eagle Owl, he wonders what Maschenny is up to (showing that they had no suspicions of her betrayal prior to that point).




The Ancient Odd Eyed Cobra is shown to have wrapped itself around the Frozen Waterfall instead of getting summoned as at when needed, so maybe not.



The information he had been given suggested that no fighting would be required at all. He was acting under that information.



True, but maybe moving it around is not trivial (again, see the Ancient Odd Eyed Cobra).

I suppose an shinheuh that cannot be compressed is possible, but we have seen many that are outright massive appear from nowhere as summons, so I'm not sure.

I still think it's poor form to not be prepared, particularly as a regal escort.

I mean, WGW, before arriving, seemed to be aware there was a battle going on, and brought a small army with her. And she didn't forget her shield!

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From the wiki:

"Shinheuh can be compressed and stored in bowls (그릇, geureut).[1][2] Later, in NAVER official chapter release, SIU use the term fishbowl (어항 , eohang).[4]

In order to control a creature, the Anima must use a Bowl. Bowls are spaces that an Anima uses to control a subjugated creature. This is accomplished through a special kind of Shinsu.[4] The container that an Anima employs as a bowl may vary from a simple jar to an entire chamber. An Anima can fill the bowl and store their subjugated creatures inside. According to SIU, bowls are usually best when they are portable and the Shinsu must be changed regularly to maintain control over the user's creature.[3] So far, Metalfish and Fenryl are the only known creatures that do not require a bowl in order to control them.[5]"



OK, so "shinheuh can be compressed and stored in bowls"... seems as if ALL can be; this seems to be how they function. I mean, even Rei's heaviest-hitters could be compressed and recalled out of nothing.

Counterpoint: we have Fenryl that doesn't use a bowl, so maybe there are outliers to this rule. However, Fenryl is still not a shinheuh that takes up physical space, and can still be recalled from nowhere as a summon.




SIU also says "bowls are usually BEST when they are portable..."

So, my guess is this is a case of a bowl that might be too cumbersome to casually lug around. If anything. Still think Owl should have at least brought it with him on the warp ship. At least.

The Ancient Cobra may just not be forced into a bowl, and is allowed to operate in a free state, who knows.

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Also, it's confirmed that the LPB forces were receiving reports they were entering a hot-zone prior to arrival. Owl wasn't even in the first incursion forces, so he particularly should have been aware of the possibility of battle.

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I am enjoying the more benthic summons, such as Hollan's. Last chapter I jokingly suggested a Nautilus, but it seems SIU is open to rarer sea creatures as well as poo-flinging monkeys. So there's that.

 

[paulbee]

Question: So I might be displaying some of my ignorance regarding SIU's TOG world. My question is, what exactly is a Shinheuh?

Are they pure shinsoo/energy without physical substance until summoned/manifested by the anima?

Are they animals or creatures that exist in a different dimension that are summoned to the TOG world? If a Shinhueh is defeated or killed, does it actually die or does it just lose suffer a loss of power and a loss of it's ability to remain in the physical world?

Also is it possible for an animal that has physical form somewhere in the Tower to become a shinhueh and be summon able (a form of teleportation) after it makes a contract with the anima?

 

[sazon]

So, my guess is this is a case of a bowl that might be too cumbersome to casually lug around. If anything. Still think Owl should have at least brought it with him on the warp ship. At least.

We are talking about one of the Top 10 and the apparently strongest BH in the LPB family. Even if this is true, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Big-Bird]

I suppose an shinheuh that cannot be compressed is possible, but we have seen many that are outright massive appear from nowhere as summons, so I'm not sure.

it is possible but it can become very impractical in general they have a bowl.

Although it is possible to carry around a subjugated shinhae'eo like Sunwoo Narae does, it is assumed that in a normal Ranker's case, shinhae'eo are compressed and stored in bowls (그릇, geureut), like Len does.

Can you imagine Yorari walking around normally with his snake without shrinking it?

and as a non portable bowl we have Alphine with her bowl which is a whole piece

 

[O_n_Sly]

Pudidy doesn't have his animal. Compare Dokoko with the Windbird to Dokoko without the Windbird. This is Pudidy without his equivalent of the Windbird.

He's probably far from being able to utilise his full strength.

Lol windbird is Shinheuh and requires a bowl lol. Purdi left the owl behind, meaning it’s an actual animal no bowl required! I’m guessing his owl hatched from an egg like the odd-eyed cobra! And in the fb Purdi too was affected by Akrinic’s realm, but not WW or Yas!

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Question: So I might be displaying some of my ignorance regarding SIU's TOG world. My question is, what exactly is a Shinheuh?

Are they pure shinsoo/energy without physical substance until summoned/manifested by the anima?

Are they animals or creatures that exist in a different dimension that are summoned to the TOG world? If a Shinhueh is defeated or killed, does it actually die or does it just lose suffer a loss of power and a loss of it's ability to remain in the physical world?

Also is it possible for an animal that has physical form somewhere in the Tower to become a shinhueh and be summon able (a form of teleportation) after it makes a contract with the anima?

IMO, we're still finding out the mechanics. How exactly are they subjugated indeed. What's up with giant cobra, how can fenryl not use a bowl, what's up with eagle owl, etc.

We are talking about one of the Top 10 and the apparently strongest BH in the LPB family. Even if this is true, it shouldn't be a problem.

I'm just spit-balling, but I think you're correct. Again like I said, Rei's biggest hitters can be summoned at will. So one of the strongest HR's in his service should be likewise able to summon from a portable bowl.

If the bowl isn't portable, it isn't any good for a summoner lol.



I was just playing devil's advocate really. I don't think this is a good example of story-telling. I suggested previously this is SIU's way of nerfing the fight so we pretty much know now that battle won't be resolved.

 

[sazon]

Question: So I might be displaying some of my ignorance regarding SIU's TOG world. My question is, what exactly is a Shinheuh? Are they pure shinsoo/energy without physical substance until summoned/manifested by the anima? Are they animals or creatures that exist in a different dimension that are summoned to the TOG world? If a Shinhueh is defeated or killed, does it actually die or does it just lose suffer a loss of power and a loss of it's ability to remain in the physical world?

Also is it possible for an animal that has physical form somewhere in the Tower to become a shinhueh and be summon able after it makes a contract with the anima?

It's basically any tower creature that depends on shinsoo.

you can consider any creature that cannot speak to be shinheuh. Although that may change after today's chapter.