Chapter Tower of God Chapter 530 Spoilers & Discussion

[Cinera]

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[Jyu viole grace]

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Tower Of God Chapter 530 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[King Dryst]

Lol did JH just admit to defeating the Odd Eyed Cobra (just a moment ago)

He was talking about Kallavan. For an old fuck like him, a couple of years is a moment.

Baam = Rand Al Thor

Hopefully the book version and not the one from that abomination of a TV adaptation.

Baam references how extremely dangerous it is.

1 + 1 = 2, in that Baam will only be able to do so if he is the host of whatever the voice is. No?

In the immediate term. Longer term, Baam would be able to reach that level without whatever this thing is going to be. But it would not ever be able to do the same without him or another Irregular.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

In the immediate term. Longer term, Baam would be able to reach that level without whatever this thing is going to be. But it would not ever be able to do the same without him or another Irregular.

I agree.

I also think it will be a Native One.

As such, I think it can't do anything in its current, cursed state. Without a good host, such as Baam, particularly against an irregular/Rei.

At one point in time it seems the Native Ones could roam freely. That is their natural default, and it took quite a bit to subjugate them.

Native Ones, as ancients, seemed to be the apex of the tower fauna, the shinheuh.

After being cursed they are limited the the extent of their hosts.

So, the extent of their power is a function of the potential of their hosts.

EVK and Khel for instance, run into hard limits and can't go balls-out because they run into admin coming up and shutting them down, as the admin control the shinsu, and thus the hosts.

Baam is exempt from this and as such is the perfect host.

Thus, both are the perfect fit for each other to accomplish their tasks - Baam gets a PU that doesn't take hundreds of years IRL, and the ancient power gets a host that lets it stretch its legs (ofc, it will get some nerf for sure... such as staying power or something... time limit?). In any event it will be symbiotic.

Whereas if it wasn't reliant on a host in such a cursed state, maybe it could do a better showing against even a FH.





I do find it interesting that ALL the tower weapons and combat positions were designed to be able to fight against shinheuh in the tower, with the Native Ones/Ancients being the strongest examples. Meaning the OG13 had to work in teams to take down the stronger ones.

At least that's how I see it. I'll await someone to come along and say I'm assuming this and that however.

 

[Narayami]

After reading the translation I wont complain too much about all the screen time on JH.
Seems like he wiped out all the soldiers and even the snake? lmao.

He is defensive, buying time while playing with those 2. I wonder why....

Seems like siu will really make a baam vs rei.
we cant say for sure how strong baam is right now, and even after this powerup(if its a powerup)
Even so, I cant stop thinking that its too soon for baam to face a FH.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

It doesn't mention princesses, only irregulars, and even then only the FH's. And now Baam.

I don't think it's likely to be a 13mo at all.

Combined with the fact that he went about sealing (somehow) a beast (of some sort) that he couldn't control in the flashback. That's probably one and the same with what is here.

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Although, the way this Siren Song thing is playing out with the voice, I'm getting female vibes. The first female Native One, crystal elemental. Calling it now.

If It is an Ancient One, we got all 5 pieces right at the same spot: Rak, Evankhell, Kheil, Yama and this. Is SIU going to merge Rak this soon? Always thought it was going to happen at a later stage.

 

[Big-Bird]

Speaking of "facts," where do you get this one from?

Kirin said "creature" so it's either an animal or a shinheuh, I consider it a shinneuh because there's no indication that it's an animal (we've never seen powerful animals just shinheuh nor any with special abilities, it could be an animal but I don't see why I'd think it would be when S. I.) and there are no parasite type shinheuh yet so I have no reason to believe it has a host. I.U. always knows how to focus on shinheuh) and there are no parasitic shinheuh at the moment so I have no reason to believe he has a host.

Where does this "fact" come from? Rei was unsuccessful in killing Acrinak, and we know he wanted it for his collection so much that he organized one of the biggest joint-strike armies we've seen - along with Z forces. Sometimes you have to 'go for it' if you're close to losing. Edit: a more appropriate analogy is how you have to come close to kicking a pokemon's ass to be able to then capture it. And, if you don't beat it, it could beat you instead.

Acrinak was getting completely stomped on and would have died for real if he hadn't faked it. We don't know who organized this hunt, we just know that it happened.
In Pokemon to capture a pokemon normally you have to restrain yourself to avoid knocking the pokemon out (avoid overpowered attacks) if it beats you it's because you allowed it to do so by being too lenient.

Agreed. We can't conclusively state how danger it is as such. Likewise, we can't state how dangerous it isn't. Some fights if repeated can go the other way. Look no further than SIU to acknowledge that simple fact - re: his notes on Jinsung v Kallavan, or Yas v Kallavan.

this argument goes nowhere, if we don't know it's useless to make assumptions about it.
Don't talk about Kall vs Jin all this fuck started because there is a contradiction between what is said and what is shown.

Ah, according to him - I'm sure that has nothing to do with his ego at all. So why didn't he kill or collect the Acrinak when it was right in front of him? We know it wasn't worthless to him. Probably... because he couldn't. He at best could kill the host.

Well yes according to him, who else? Acrinak played dead, for Traum he killed her and he didn't have a thought for her. Acrinak was just a trifle like the others, I don't know why you're fixated on him

We don't know that's the case at all. For all we know he's accepted he'll NEVER be able to dominate it, and he hasn't released the seal as such or even tried in all this time (which seems to be the case - a one-and-done sealing never to return). Sealing it is the best he can do in that case, and is a papering over to save face or prevent shame on the guy that claims he can control anything in the tower when he clearly cannot.

something you can't control doesn't mean it's worthless. no contradiction with what it claims (sticking to the analogy you started, if I find a rough diamond that I can't make money from, I'm certainly not going to throw it away)

Um, what? So until one possibility of several is proven true or false, we default to what is essentially an assumption? He either can or he can't. If he can he either knows he can or he doesn't. We have no reason to default to the assumption he can, but he just doesn't feel like it. All are possibilities. None are fact at this point. Why do you get to determine the default assumption until proven otherwise? Going by the events with the Acrinak, it doesn't even seem to be a possibility for him.

not an assumption, a fact, it's not an assumption to say that Traum doesn't kill things that are valuable to him. he says it himself, you can deny the legitimacy of his statement but it's still valid. and what the heck with Acrinak, he got slapped, the only compliment I can give him is that he's smart enough to play dead (and knowing that it wasn't even his idea but NN's is a compliment he doesn't even deserve)

Too true!

I thought this went without saying. You seem to be operating under some assumptions yourself however.

Correct me if I've ever spoken as a matter of fact rather than speaking in degrees of likelihood. I don't think I've done that here, I'm pretty open that this is a speculative.

of course I'm making assumptions (it's not the principle of discussion) but I'm basing them on what
the series to make them.

 

[Turtle hunter]

If It is an Ancient One, we got all 5 pieces right at the same spot: Rak, Evankhell, Kheil, Yama and this. Is SIU going to merge Rak this soon? Always thought it was going to happen at a later stage.

Merging it , into Rak would be a waste .

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All i am about to say , is that this arc will definitely cause some interesting reaction on readers and i al excited for it .

 

[paulbee]

No, in character Baam would (try to) just run away.

Remember that Traumeiri and Bloodmadder have YHS in custody and in peril on BM's ship.

Moreover it seems there is only one entry/exit from the suspendium and it would stand to reason that a high security vault would be protected from teleportation. Thus If Traumeiri finds out that Pudidy and Holand were unable to staop Bam, or if YHS / may be killed or taken away by Bloodmadder depending on how the fight goes, it doesn't feel like Bam's nature to run away without intervening.

It sort of feels like some kind of skirmish between the two is inevitable here. This could be the high point of this whole ark.

 

[magicallypuzzled]

i know i shouldnt get my mind set on one thing but..... great white shark great white shark great white shark great white shark great white shark. i really want it to be a great white shark anima

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Kirin said "creature" so it's either an animal or a shinheuh, I consider it a shinneuh because there's no indication that it's an animal (we've never seen powerful animals just shinheuh nor any with special abilities, it could be an animal but I don't see why I'd think it would be when S. I.) and there are no parasite type shinheuh yet so I have no reason to believe it has a host. I.U. always knows how to focus on shinheuh) and there are no parasitic shinheuh at the moment so I have no reason to believe he has a host.

And yet, the Ancient Powers (earth bull and fire elephant - also Rak) are... beasts. Associated with shinheuh (that's how the wiki classifies them FWIW - ancient shinheuh that can control the elements). They are animals/creatures, but they are set apart as they are more ancient, more powerful, and have elemental powers which standard shinheuh do not have these traits. Edit: they are also likely immortal (or at least the 5 main ones) in that they probably reincarnate if not sealed away. More on that later though.

Acrinak was getting completely stomped on

annnnndddddddd again, that's a function of the host being weak, NOT Acrinak. What is supposed to be the takeaway with this comment?

and would have died for real if he hadn't faked it.

Complete assumption, and you don't know that at all - what is your source? It was pierced through. We don't know if it can be killed at all. Talk about assumptions over fact!

Do you remember why the ancient monster had to be sealed inside the '7 sacred swords'?? Because it could not be killed and that (sealing it) was the only way to keep it from respawning.

Unnamed Ancient Monster

Unnamed Ancient Monster (name unknown) is a man-eating monster who used to terrorize the village where Hong Danhwa and Hong Chunhwa were from. The soul of the monster is now sealed within a series of swords known as "The Seven Sacred Swords."[1] The ancient monster appears as an enormous, stout...

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"Long ago, the monster used to terrorize the homeland of Hong Danhwa and Hong Chunwa by feeding on the villagers. However, the monster was later on defeated by seven talented swordsmen of the village at that time and its soul was sealed within their seven swords to prevent it from reincarnating. The swords were then passed into the next generations and are known as "The Seven Sacred Swords.""

At the very least we have precedent that ancient monsters/shinheuh can/do in fact reincarnate if they are not sealed. This very likely extends to other ancient powers as well, such as what we see play out with Acrinak - bested (lethally in appearance) but able to dissolve and come back later.

I'd argue that this is also relevant to what we see happening with the red thryssa as well, as it mimics the idea a bit. After all, admin are basically giant, ancient creatures thought to be immortal in the tower.

We don't know who organized this hunt, we just know that it happened.

I mean, that's kind of my point. *we don't know*

In Pokemon to capture a pokemon normally you have to restrain yourself to avoid knocking the pokemon out (avoid overpowered attacks) if it beats you it's because you allowed it to do so by being too lenient.

LOL. Now I know you're not discussing this in good faith. Yes, you can be beaten by being too lenient but you can ALSO be beaten because you aren't strong enough or qualified enough to do enough damage no matter how hard you try. And sometimes if you are close in power it is merely a matter of chance that will sometimes go your way, sometimes not in your favor. You're arguing from the perspective that the only way you can lose is by pulling your punches and either not trying hard enough or trying too hard, but say nothing of what if you're not capable enough in the first place.

"If it beats you that's because you allowed it to" (tell that to someone just starting the game and going after one that's fully-evolved, GTFOOH). That's a bit dishonest (well, more than a bit). I think we're devolving into the arguing just to argue territory at this point, so no thanks.

this argument goes nowhere, if we don't know it's useless to make assumptions about it.

-> I'm saying we don't know, but I *think* X is true and here's my evidence.
-> You're saying we don't know, but Y *HAS* to be true unless it's proven otherwise.

You're literally substituting one assumption for another, then lecturing me about assumptions. You ASSUME your assumption is the default position, and don't even realize that's what you're doing. (all the while admitting my speculations are possible)

Don't talk about Kall vs Jin all this fuck started because there is a contradiction between what is said and what is shown.

Dunno what you mean here (terrible grammar). Are you arguing that sometimes fights aren't down to pure luck and that 2 people can fight 10 times with 10 different results? SIU seems to acknowledge that's possible when the two are close in power (why I referenced his notes on Jinsung v Kallavan - the results are not always clear he says), why can't you say that's a possibility as well?

Are you suggesting I've contradicted something somewhere? You haven't made that point clearly. Just a list of counter-assumptions really, which you admit are assumptions later below.

Well yes according to him, who else?

Well, apparently you aren't familiar with the concept that sometimes a characters words and actions don't always match up, and sometimes egomaniacs might say things to save face. Read on, and I'll give you a good example of what he says not being reliable at all, and rather counter to the truth.

Acrinak played dead,

And so Rei is too naive to even know when his opponent isn't really dead? The one he wanted so badly that he moved huge armies against?

for Traum he killed her and he didn't have a thought for her. Acrinak was just a trifle like the others, I don't know why you're fixated on him

Acrinak is such a little trifle it took 2 GF multi-force with several HR's to take it on (and they still would have lost if it didn't get interested in WW), and Zahard personally wants to oversee the operation? Not likely.

Why don't you understand he's using that term to shame and humiliate (and because like Gustang he's a supremacist), as he can't fathom not being in control all the time (in spite of examples of him not being able to control)? Just because he CALLS something a trifle doesn't mean he can/could control it, case in point whatever's sealed in the Nest. And likely Acrinak as well.

something you can't control doesn't mean it's worthless. no contradiction with what it claims (sticking to the analogy you started, if I find a rough diamond that I can't make money from, I'm certainly not going to throw it away)

I think you should reread 528.

Kirin asks Rei if he's back from the Nest, and the state of the creature.

Rei: "it still does not understand my will... I assume it will be like that from NOW on... now that I've ABANDONED it it's fine"
*grips jacket at the thought he couldn't control a trifle*

Rei pointedly thinks nothing will change, and has abandoned the creature into the seal. Literally the opposite of your claim that he's saving it for later. There is no thought of future gain, or future control, and the voice makes it clear here that it hasn't been visited exactly. Rei doesn't appear to have any intent of ever letting it out or interacting with it again.

The best thing it can do for his mental stability and control-freak mentality (he literally grips his jacket at the thought of not winning out) is to stay sealed (dead would be better). It has LOST IT'S VALUE to him, and per his other statement this means he should have killed it by now. If he could. Implying he can't. He says in 529 "death is a gift to those that have lost their value to even be dominated." And yet he readily admits he will not be able to dominate this creature, therefor its value is null - per Rei himself! By his own words he should kill it instead. Oh, wait.... he didn't. Well, there goes that idea. I thought his words were gospel?

not an assumption, a fact, it's not an assumption to say that Traum doesn't kill things that are valuable to him. he says it himself, you can deny the legitimacy of his statement but it's still valid.

Rei makes a point to say in 529: "death is easier to perform than domination" so controlling should be harder, and he cannot control at least one creature (the one in the Nest), probably the Acrinak as well, so he has to resort to 'death' (or what he thinks is death for it apparently). He's literally saying it's harder to control things in front of something he's 'opting' to kill instead of control - implying he cannot control it by default.

Rei also says "there's not a single trifle I cannot control in this tower" (a clear lie) - and yet just one previous chapter ago we see that's not the case (the animal he can't control in the Nest).

What Rei SAYS isn't always factual. He has motivation to save face like any other maniacal monarch, and we see right here he's NOT a reliable source at all.

and what the heck with Acrinak, he got slapped, the only compliment I can give him is that he's smart enough to play dead (and knowing that it wasn't even his idea but NN's is a compliment he doesn't even deserve)

At BEST Rei thought he had killed Acrinak and couldn't even perceive that he hadn't succeeded. This doesn't mean he could control it. It doesn't mean he can even kill it. It just means he was fooled into believing he had. That was the best move for something (the Acrinak) that couldn't fight due to a weak host. But we just witnessed what Rei thought of - what SHOULD have been - a lethal blow (according to you Rei certainly thought so), and yet... no death! Curious, isn't it?

of course I'm making assumptions (it's not the principle of discussion) but I'm basing them on what
the series to make them.

(implying that I'm not)

Is this where I say how I'm rubber and you're glue?

So am I. I've given you chapters, quotes, referenced the wiki (discussion of what shinheuh are and aren't), analogous incidents (the other ancient that could resurrect and had to be sealed). You're just insisting your assumptions HAVE to be right (unless proven otherwise of course lol); that's all. I haven't made the first claim that contradicts the story to my knowledge, just your opinion of what is to come.

 

[EternalWinter]

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[paulbee]

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Thank You Eternalwinter:

HJS (I wish people would call him Ha Jinsung, not Jinsung Ha, He is of Korean Origin, and that's how SIU writes his name).

Well it seems HJS is just defensively dominating Puddidy and Holland. He doesn't seem to want to end the fight soon (perhaps as that may draw in Traumeiri). His strategy seems to be to keep them tied up till Bam is done.

The real action starts either next week or the week after. Stay Tuned fellow Bam-ites.

 

[DeadCosmos]

hmmm maybe original ancient giant separated himself into 5 pieces so that he would be harder to catch and if caught, would still have other descendants that are free to spread their powuhh.

 

[Aliblack]

That voice is like shinsu itself. Bam has the power of guardians to control shinsu and now he wants to get another unimaginable power. Something that even irregulars couldn't kill or control.

The voice is talking about 10 family heads being able to hear its voice. It excluded V and Arlene. I wonder why?

 

[King Dryst]

The voice is talking about 10 family heads being able to hear its voice. It excluded V and Arlene. I wonder why?

Technically didn't mention Zahard either, going with that line of reasoning. It was probably just a mild oversight on SIU's part. He was just meaning to convey 'only Irregulars can hear the voice' without getting too bogged down with details. Alternatively, perhaps whatever this being is only came into contact with the original Irregulars at some point after the schism with Arlene and V, and has never seen or heard of them.

 

[PGT]

Hey y'all, been some time since I commented here. Long story short I didn't have the time to do so. I still kinda do not have, but these last chapters left me thinking about some things

I'd like to explore what will happen regarding Rei here at the Nest. Whether that'll be his defeat or just getting stalemated and not achieving his objectives (to get a hold of Baam, probably and basically), we'll eventually get to know. What motivated me to write this post is that I can see him getting defeated here

Rei has shown to be able to teleport. He was also shown to be a control freak and is interested in Baam. I think this is enough reason to assume he'll eventually end up reaching and confronting Baam. And if he does that, he won't let Baam escape voluntarily, i.e. he'll have to be forced to do so.

The thing that is sealed on the Frozen Waterfall is also being built as something extremely powerful for multiple chapters already. We are also seeing each time more how there are really strong tower-born creatures (specifically creatures, we already know strong humanoid tower-borns exists, i.e. Baek, Luslec, et cetera):

In WW/Yas fb we saw how that Ancient creature (Acrinak) was powerful. They went to kill/capture it with 4 BH (or at least their strongest Shinheuh), WW, Yas, and an army of fodder, supervised by Jahad's hologram, which probably isn't something trivial for him to do. Granted, it's host was a slayer so that dude probably needed to be beaten as well and was a force to be reckoned, but the way they were paralyzed seemed like they were going to lose if Yas and WW were not there as the only ones not getting caught in that ability. That Ancient got so interested in WW's power it decided to get a new whatever host so he could keep observing WW. In NN vs Rei it's implied that Acrinak could at least match one of Rei's top Shinheuh (one of the 7 he has, those 7 being part of the 23 Shinheuh of the LPB Family) were his host strong enough to allow him to output his "real/full" strength. If he wasn't at that Shinheuh level or even higher he wouldn't attack it so confidently, he's not a fool

There's the creature that Rei wasn't able to tame/dominate (I'm repeating but I'll expand more about it here). In this chapter it says something about how Baam is the only one able to hear it's voice apart from the 13GW (i.e. only Irregulars). That seems to me it's something even above the likes of the 5 Ancients, since they're obviously able to talk to regulars if they want to. It's almost as if it was saying that that thing is so powerful that only broken ppl like Irregulars are able to communicate with it

Besides that, the fb also stated multiple times how the beastkin are special, especially WW. Special as in creations of the Workshop, which means they might have abilities, properties, etc that go beyond what is "normal" for the Tower (there's the breaking the tower's laws and all that). WW and Yas were the only ones not paralyzed by Acrinak's powers, but WW could also undo it. WW not only could not be tamed, he also could supersede the taming/domination/controlling of the canines with his own controlling. Yas was shown to be able to control other beastkins apart from the canines, even though he's probably doing that with the power of WW's fang, so that power goes beyond the scope of it's species (canines) and extends to at least the beastkins as a whole

If WW was special, Yama is consequently going to be special, even more special, since it's painted on our faces that Yama is going to get the third fang, has Acrinak, is more buffed than WW, it's a trope (the new generation and kids becoming greater than their parents) and is not as flawed as WW and his stupid instincts

It also showed how bad Rei mistreated the beastkin, canines snd especially WW. Upon finding the truth the Baylord brothers will be thirsty from revenge

Here comes the hypothesis I want to explore: it may be the case that at least a significant part of Rei's strength comes from his 7 top Shinheuhs. In the event of that being true, I can see a powered up Yama with the three fangs, Acrinak and maybe even something from Yasratcha being able to nullify and/or revert Rei's control of his Shinheuh (and of any other enemy on the Nest), maybe even allowing those shinheuh to gang up against Rei. Remember, WW powers are not those of a "normal regular" that happens to be extremely powerful, it comes from him being a creation of the workshop. Yama, the one who represents the canines, a race that was so mistreated by the LPB as a whole would be the ultimate anti-animas, the trademark of the LPBs

If that happens, it's believable that Team Baam could escape from the Nest or even beat him if Baam's strength post White and Frozen Waterfall ends up being more than we thought or someone like Luslec or Gustang appears. It can go various ways. Maybe they could defeat him by themselves, maybe it'd take what I said + powered up Baam + Luslec + other powerhouses of Team Baam to barely manage to retreat successfully. Maybe Rei is solidly stronger than Gustang and it'd take that and Gustang appearing to defeat Rei (if Rei > Gustang that'd be a good opportunity for him to get rid of the entire LPB Family basically)

Here at the Nest we have Rei, Perseus, Pudidy, Holan, Yasratcha, Kallavan, Lyborick, WGW, Yorari as enemies. EVK will take care of WGW. Baam/team Frozen Waterfall and/or Cha will take care of Yorari. Yama and Doom will take care of Yasratcha, that if they even fight until one's completely done that is.

Perseus, Pudidy, Holan, Kallavan, Lyborick: Pudidy is nerfed (no eagle-owl). Holan looks like a stepping stone for Baam or sth like that (also stated as not being on the level of someone like HJ, who is on the tier of Corp Commanders, so not as strong as Kallavan, Yas, HJ, Yama, etc), all while HJ is taking the two of them. Lyborick is somewhat hurt and doesn't seem to be super strong, his fight against Kallavan turned 180° once he recharged (not only recharge but power up Kallavan to levels he hadn't reached before) him with his attack (lol that's so stupid). Kallavan promised not to interfere on their escape of the Nest, although he's insane

While we have Baam stronger than ever, Yama stronger than ever, Cha, Dowon, Karaka, HJ, Khel Hellam, etc. There's literally 3 ppl at the Nest who could do a Full Release (if Acrinak is one of the 5), I don't think the Admin would interfere if that is done in the context of matching up against a FH. Imagine how ridiculous would it be if Team Baam is cornered and EVK, Khel Hellam and Yama can't do Full Release even though they're fighting against a FH who could possibly be spamming attacks, powers and strength even above those of the full release of Ancients. The Admin won't babysit Rei and protect him from the full release of the Ancients if they're duking out at that level

There's also Maschenny and Asensio who wants Baam to at least survive and escape from the Nest. The numbers don't match

It'll depend on how much higher SIU will make the FH's be, and how much of a blow Rei would suffer if his Anima abilities were rendered useless

 

[Aliblack]

Technically didn't mention Zahard either, going with that line of reasoning. It was probably just a mild oversight on SIU's part. He was just meaning to convey 'only Irregulars can hear the voice' without getting too bogged down with details. Alternatively, perhaps whatever this being is only came into contact with the original Irregulars at some point after the schism with Arlene and V, and has never seen or heard of them.

Yeah, I noticed that it didn't mention Zahard, too. I thought about what you said, as well. It's less likely that it encountered 10 heads after the war. I guess the encounter has been during the climb. So probably, SIU has not noticed this point.

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That voice certainly will have a great role in helping them escape the nest but defeating Tra-o is unlikely. That's because even if that thing is too strong, Bam needs to be able to completely control it so he can have a chance. Bam is not using his powers to their maximum potential, and this will be not an exception, either.

 

[kkck]

Ok, read the fan Edited Mangas...

Feels like there is a bit of the cat and dog story missing. We still don't know how yaratcha got the fang and we are missing out on how doom made his escape. Regarding ww and yaratcha, it feels like everyone in this story is a dick. Though its clear why SIU framed yaratcha as a rival to yama and not an enemy.

Seems like puddily has been almost seriously nerfed him. Its weird that he'd walk into a war zone without his best anima. Perhaps theres a limit to how many he can carry?

From the looks of it even without the nerf it appears pudily simply hasn't been in serious combat for a long time. Which I suppose makes sense. It makes sense if this is something we see from ancient characters as they sort of awake into war again. In general it does look like jinsung is the one at a disadvantage here. I feel like jinsung's game here shouldn't be defense but rather offense. He is trying to hold the fort but against multiple anima users and one seemingly as skilled as pudily it seems like it's a matter of time until jinsung is defeated. Unless jinsung knows he can't actually win...

As for the thing inside the suspendium... I am not sure i am getting native one vibes. The bit that stroke me as odd was it referring to how it was inside the shinsoo all throughout the tower... I suppose this isn't necessarily outside the scope of the original native one that could wield all forces of nature but to me this points at something even bigger than that. To me that sounds like something an administrator would say... Though of course per the lore administrators are still above the great warriors. Maybe there are administrators not affiliated to specific floors? Or baby administrators? One of the bigger mysteries in the tower is the origin of the blue thrysa... Maybe this is it?

 

[Phantaminum]

No disrespect for disregarding Jinsung's great ability defending those 2 of top 5 Lo Po Bia's HR's Holand and Pudidy. But guys do you know how crazy this power level that is about to get lose "Up above, and down below. Every part of the shinsoo inside this suspendium, I am inside every single droplet of the shinsoo you can feel." This is some crazy shit here...

 

[O_n_Sly]

I’m sorry but Hell Joe will forever hold HJ for being 1 one of the best ToG villains so far. Until I see more jinsung is JH

 

[lianecel]

No disrespect for disregarding Jinsung's great ability defending those 2 of top 5 Lo Po Bia's HR's Holand and Pudidy. But guys do you know how crazy this power level that is about to get lose "Up above, and down below. Every part of the shinsoo inside this suspendium, I am inside every single droplet of the shinsoo you can feel." This is some crazy shit here...

To be fair holland isnt one of the top 5, he is just the strongest among youngster

The top 5 is pudidy, perseus, whitergarmen widow, and the others 2 that said is on "another level" (kirin and the other one isnt get revealed yet)

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To be fair holland isnt one of the top 5, he is just the strongest among youngster

The top 5 is pudidy, perseus, whitergarmen widow, and the others 2 that said is on "another level" (kirin and the other one isnt get revealed yet)

That is why perseus said holland aint worthy to come aside Them and FH,