Chapter Tower of God Chapter 530 Spoilers & Discussion

[Cinera]

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[Jyu viole grace]

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Tower Of God Chapter 530 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[King Dryst]

I’m sorry but Hell Joe will forever hold HJ for being 1 one of the best ToG villains so far. Until I see more jinsung is JH

Man wasn't even a villain. All he wanted was a TV that aired something other than the news.

 

[**Silver**]

Is it me or Jinsung is more handsome now? All this time without smoking must have helped .

no he is the opposite Jinsung used to be someone no one really wants to mess with,heck even the elders and slayers feared his wrath..

 

[Cinera]

The Biography said this was false.

The actual webtoon is >> decade old character profiles.

He has very few kids and only like 3-4 princesses

The Arie Family has the most Princesses of any Great Family lol.

Enne was sealed as well. I think their rank is in limbo and I can see it going either way. It's not like the ranking admin didn't know exactly where they were/are and what they could do (and that they still live).

Enne was sealed a few thousand years ago. Cha and Dowon were sealed several tens of thousands of years ago.

The only confirmed blue hole is Khel, and he wasn't known to be alive or dead. I suspect anyone sealed is known as alive, and thus counted, like Enne.

Soo-Oh is also a Blue Hole. But also, see above.

For instance, we don't know if Khun Elliot is or isn't top 100, but he's a fucking floor ruler than can toe-to-toe with EVK (and a Khun DD). Either by position, or by power, or both he's on par with someone that was rank 60 at the time. I suspect the same of CC's and other floor rulers.

Unless it's possible to rule multiple Floors. Most Floor Rulers are outside the Top 100 High Rankers. There are 134 Floors (132 of which should have Rulers), and several Top 100 High Rankers that aren't Rulers (Irregulars, Princesses, Wolhaiksong, FUG, Branch Leaders, Regents, the Army elite, top officials of the Administration, the Royal Guards, RED, etc.).

Consider that none of the elite Lo Po Bia that we have seen (bar Traumerei) was mentioned to be a Floor Ruler.

A top 10 like Pudidy isn't. Neither is Yasratcha, nor Whitegarment Widow, now the two deputies who reside on the Mothership, etc.

We also saw the Po Bidau Family elite on the Mother Ship as well.

It sounds to me like excluding the Family Leader himself, the elite of the Great Families aren't Rulers.

 

[King Dryst]

The Arie Family has the most Princesses of any Great Family lol.

Two that we know of (Hagipherione and Rose). So far that leaves them tied with Lo Po Bia (the twins) and Koon (Maschenny and Maria).

 

[Cinera]

Lol did JH just admit to defeating the Odd Eyed Cobra (just a moment ago)

Come to think, Jinsung is guarding access to the suspendium, did he wipe out lpb peeps in the suspendium? Yorari + Orari + guards.

But yes everyone including the snake!

He said someone "very strong", so it's a single person not several people.

I think he's just referring to his fight with Kallavan. Jinsung is several tens of thousands of years old, so maybe his fight with Kallavan two years ago was but a moment for him.

Furthermore, he did nothing for those two years (he was locked up) so the fight with Kallavan was his last action.

Two that we know of (Hagipherione and Rose). So far that leaves them tied with Lo Po Bia (the twins) and Koon (Maschenny and Maria).

Arie Hon Zahard is also mentioned in the Arie Family profile. This gives them three.

 

[King Dryst]

Arie Hon Zahard is also mentioned in the Arie Family profile. This gives them three.

You must have meant Horn, the original Princess. Forgot about her.

 

[Cinera]

Is it me or Jinsung is more handsome now? All this time without smoking must have helped .

WHat surprise is that Jinsung arm seem to have no problem .

The Princess takes very good care of her prisoners.

If It is an Ancient One, we got all 5 pieces right at the same spot: Rak, Evankhell, Kheil, Yama and this. Is SIU going to merge Rak this soon? Always thought it was going to happen at a later stage.

Acrinak is not a Native One. It's just another Ancient Species.

Remember that Traumeiri and Bloodmadder have YHS in custody and in peril on BM's ship.

Moreover it seems there is only one entry/exit from the suspendium and it would stand to reason that a high security vault would be protected from teleportation. Thus If Traumeiri finds out that Pudidy and Holand were unable to staop Bam, or if YHS / may be killed or taken away by Bloodmadder depending on how the fight goes, it doesn't feel like Bam's nature to run away without intervening.

It sort of feels like some kind of skirmish between the two is inevitable here. This could be the high point of this whole ark.

Would Baam sacrifice himself to save Yu Hansung? The same Hansung that he loathed?

You must have meant Horn, the original Princess. Forgot about her.

Her name in Korean is the same as the name of the leader of the Arie Family. Translators chose to use "Horn" for her to distinguish them.

I think that was a disservice to the community. There is probably a good reason why she bears her Father's name (as Maschenny does her mother's) and removing that nuance doesn't help anyone.

I use "Arie Hon Zahard" to help correct that misinformation.

 

[O_n_Sly]

The fight with Kallavan happened 2 years ago lol and why would he refer to a fight he loss?!?!

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‘JUST A MOMENT AGO’ stop thinking too hard folks!

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Man wasn't even a villain. All he wanted was a TV that aired something other than the news.

Hell Joe brought more excitement than anything in S3 LOL

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Name Hunt Station #1, Floor of Death #2, tie between Workshop/Last Station/Data World - Best Arcs so far

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FoD still has unanswered questions but it was soo good of an arc none of us care, unlike this current arc

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I don’t fault Purdi for leaving his beast behind, just goes to show how highly everyone believes and respects Maschenny!!! @Cinera where you at lol???

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He said someone "very strong", so it's a single person not several people.

I think he's just referring to his fight with Kallavan. Jinsung is several tens of thousands of years old, so maybe his fight with Kallavan two years ago was but a moment for him.

Furthermore, he did nothing for those two years (he was locked up) so the fight with Kallavan was his last action.

He’s been locked up worried sick about Baam for 2 years lol!!! JH unlike other aged HRs is not naive! He just stomped out the Odd Eyed Cobra! Yasori consisted of 2 snakes, so maybe one stayed behind!

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Man wasn't even a villain. All he wanted was a TV that aired something other than the news.

That sounds more and more appealing these days.

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Enne was sealed a few thousand years ago. Cha and Dowon were sealed several tens of thousands of years ago.



Soo-Oh is also a Blue Hole. But also, see above.

Right, the red witch. But still, she's a side-kick, come on she doesn't count...

I don't see a real distinction when you're talking about multiples of thousands of years for Enne vs Cha/Dowon. The point remains, they're alive and well and their location is known. The same couldn't be said about Khel.... and Soo-Oh - hence the later two are blue holes and Enne isn't.

Not like there's this magical, arbitrary point in time 'ah, well, they've been sealed for 3792 years now, officially blue holes!'

Unless it's possible to rule multiple Floors. Most Floor Rulers are outside the Top 100 High Rankers. There are 134 Floors (132 of which should have Rulers), and several Top 100 High Rankers that aren't Rulers (Irregulars, Princesses, Wolhaiksong, FUG, Branch Leaders, Regents, the Army elite, top officials of the Administration, the Royal Guards, RED, etc.).

In my mind all FH's and WingTree (as a singular organization, Baek as the individual though) are rulers - that's Zahard at 134, Arie at 100, the other 9 randomly throughout with WT at 77. We know they (GFs) own multiple floors, but we don't know if they can 'rule' several floor simultaneously with one individual - seems like a job for an individual per floor. I digress, now we're down to 122 floors left (11 GFs and WT = 12, 134-12=122). Take out 1F, 2F, FoD as outliers. That's 119 after known floor rulers and the FH's plus oddities like FoD and 1F, 2F. Oh, and take final station floor, what was it, 44? The one with Elliot, who is ofc a Khun. So 118 unknowns. The only one we've seen that isn't a pure oddity is 44F and that has a GF over it. It seems EVK might have killed a LPB for her spot though, so maybe LPB lost 2F.... though nothing was done about it? Odd.

Consider that none of the elite Lo Po Bia that we have seen (bar Traumerei) was mentioned to be a Floor Ruler.

A top 10 like Pudidy isn't. Neither is Yasratcha, nor Whitegarment Widow, now the two deputies who reside on the Mothership, etc.

We also saw the Po Bidau Family elite on the Mother Ship as well.

It sounds to me like excluding the Family Leader himself, the elite of the Great Families aren't Rulers.

He's gotta have one at least. Or their family (LPB) would be the odd family out:

"12. There are Rulers each floor, and they rule over their floors under the permission of the Guardians.

13. Each area of the Outer Tower and Middle Area is managed by the Ruler (The title is different each floor. President, Chief, etc.) of the area. The Rulers are all followers of the family owning the floor, and they are all Rankers.

14. The Rulers are all High Rankers or above."

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He’s been locked up worried sick about Baam for 2 years lol!!! JH unlike other aged HRs is not naive! He just stomped out the Odd Eyed Cobra! Yasori consisted of 2 snakes, so maybe one stayed behind!

I still don't know who he was referring to, and doubt it was him stomping the cobra off-screen.

That said, I still don't think 2 years is going to be called 'just a moment ago' no matter how many millennia old he is. It still doesn't fit right with me. 'A moment ago' is what you'd say when someone was just talking to you, and they left the room a moment ago. Or, in the case of Jinsung, you just finished your last cig a moment ago. Unless he was in a coma for the better part of the two years (that doesn't seem to be the case) I don't see how that's appropriate wording unless he's trying to be funny, or that is a bad trans.

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Ah, @Cinera now I see what you mean.

118 floors divided up is 11, closer to 12 floors for each GF that they need to staff with a ruler. Although I bet Zahard owns more than his fair shair.

That's too many floors per family to have all the rulers be top 100. Which has to be numerically limited to maybe 3-5 top 100HRs per family (on average) based on all the shit that has to get wedged in the top 100 ranks. 6-7 top 100 HRs per family average is the absolute max (being 60-70 of the top 100 alone), which still isn't enough to get to 11-12 floors each family to fill with a ruler all with top 100 caliber.

So, plenty of top 200 options for floor rulers it seems. Disappointing to think they aren't automatically the most elite of the HRs, but top 200 is still no slouch.

 

[Cinera]

Right, the red witch. But still, she's a side-kick, come on she doesn't count...

I don't see a real distinction when you're talking about multiples of thousands of years for Enne vs Cha/Dowon. The point remains, they're alive and well and their location is known. The same couldn't be said about Khel.... and Soo-Oh - hence the later two are blue holes and Enne isn't.

Not like there's this magical, arbitrary point in time 'ah, well, they've been sealed for 3792 years now, officially blue holes!'

The definition of Blue Holes mentions people that have been inactive since Ancient times. So there is an arbitrary cut off.

Cha, Dowon, Khel and Soo-Oh are all from Genesis. Enne is not.

He's gotta have one at least. Or their family (LPB) would be the odd family out:

I don't disagree that the Lo Po Bia don't have Floor Rulers. It just seems that none of their elites (Regents, Yasratcha and the Top 3 Branch Leaders) are Rulers.

The alternative is that the other members of the Top 10 between the Regents and the top 3 Branch Leaders are the Rulers.

I still don't know who he was referring to, and doubt it was him stomping the cobra off-screen.

IMO Kallavan is still the best bet.

The Cobra doesn't qualify as a person. It's just an animal right now, and it's Anima is currently trapped inside the Frozen Waterfall.

There are two basic options:

1. Jinsung is referring to his fight with Kallavan.
2. Jinsung just off screened Maschenny.

#1 fits with Jinsung criticising Pudidy for being rusty because he has gone for so long only fighting people much weaker than him.

Jinsung's last fight (and his last action even) was a battle against someone that was on his level. So he Jinsung is not rusty.


#2 would be really weird. Not only does Jinsung have to have attacked Maschenny after she set him free. Jinsung trying to attack Maschenny makes no sense given his last thoughts about her:

If Jinsung is thinking to himself that Maschenny is someone far more dangerous than he could have ever imagined (see also the despair on his face):

He's not going to turn around and attack her.

 

[King Dryst]

He's not going to turn around and attack her.

Depends on whether he views her as a threat to Baam (he should).

But this is likely not something that will have happened, regardless.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

The definition of Blue Holes mentions people that have been inactive since Ancient times. So there is an arbitrary cut off.

Cha, Dowon, Khel and Soo-Oh are all from Genesis. Enne is not.

Nah, this is the definition of a Blue Hole:

"There is a term called Blue Hole (블루홀, beulluhol) and it is used for High Rankers who have been inactive for so long since ancient times that no one knows if they are dead or alive, or Rankers whose true influence or power are difficult to measure.[10]"

It's not JUST that they have been inactive for a very long time, it's that they are inactive to the point that their welfare cannot be determined.

Cha and Dowon, much like Enne, do not meet that secondary qualifier. Their power is still very much on record, their locations recorded, their vitals are alive.

Even if they meet the arbitrary cutoff, the ranking office can still know they're alive. Probably the same for Luch and Taro as well, who are just as old just not sealed, but alive nonetheless. All 4 should have a rank.

 

[Arjuna]

I am pretty happy that we returned to Baam and co.

The mysterious being is really really interesting.It says every shinsoo in the room is it,now that's something I will expect from an Admin but i doubt a FH can defeat or seal an Admin.

I am really curious about the being so I hope next chapter it is revealed.

 

[Cinera]

Depends on whether he views her as a threat to Baam (he should).

He views Traumerei as a much bigger threat:

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(Notice him sweating, his look of absolute despair and using "Baam" [instead of "Viole"] for the first time ever).


Besides, Maschenny said that she isn't Baam's enemy (that the "real enemy" was someone else [Traumerei]):

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(Notice that Jinsung realises that she is saying that she's not Baam's real enemy, and then he asks her who is).


And she also said that she didn't want Baam's story to end so soon (but instead to become more interesting):

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And then she said that Jinsung needs to do something for Baam:

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Clearly, Maschenny has presented herself to Jinsung as someone who — while not quite an ally — is at least a benefactor of sorts to Baam. They both do not want Baam to die here.


The idea that Jinsung would turn on Maschenny after she released him to assist Baam is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Arjuna]

Oh just another thing I am curious is how strong will Baam become after this powerup,there are three possibilities


1) He becomes strong enough to escape from the nest.

2)He actually gives a good fight heavily injures Traumerai and escapes.


3) He kills Traumerai.

Now if either of 2 or 3 happens then yeah there will be very few tower born individuals who can even give a good fight to Baam after the best arc.Maybe he will only fight Family Heads then in a serious fight.

 

[Cinera]

I am pretty happy that we returned to Baam and co.

The mysterious being is really really interesting.It says every shinsoo in the room is it,now that's something I will expect from an Admin but i doubt a FH can defeat or seal an Admin.

I am really curious about the being so I hope next chapter it is revealed.

An Admin controls all the shinsu on a Floor. More than likely, I think it's a Shinheuh, and that the entire Frozen Waterfall is its "bowl".

1) He becomes strong enough to escape from the nest.

2)He actually gives a good fight heavily injures Traumerai and escapes.

Something in between this is best for the story IMO. Baam should not defeat Traumerei by himself, but he should put up a semblance of a fight and deal noticeable damage to him.

I think they will ultimately be assisted in making their escape from the Nest (The Warp Drive in the Needle, Maschenny mentioning the Ha, etc.) makes me think that this isn't something Baam will get through with only his strength.

 

[Arjuna]

An Admin controls all the shinsu on a Floor. More than likely, I think it's a Shinheuh, and that the entire Frozen Waterfall is its "bowl".



Something in between this is best for the story IMO. Baam should not defeat Traumerei by himself, but he should put up a semblance of a fight and deal noticeable damage to him.

I think they will ultimately be assisted in making their escape from the Nest (The Warp Drive in the Needle, Maschenny mentioning the Ha, etc.) makes me think that this isn't something Baam will get through with only his strength.

Right I agree with you,if he defeats Traumerai while being a C Rank Regular only, then not many opponents will be there for Baam to face in the future.Unless of course we skip the actual climbing and get more politics stuff.


I will not mind either of it happening.


Also yeah I am hoping the Shinheu be either a Great White Shark or a Killer Whale and the room is it's bowl.

 

[King Dryst]

there will be very few tower born individuals who can even give a good fight to Baam

This is honestly how it should be anyway.

 

[Turtle hunter]

The topic that people really debate recently has been about if non irregular can reach irregular height but what is funny is that before it was about Baam power level .

People before this arc used to believe Baam wasn't even a bottom tier HR and there were those who also believe Baam wouldn't beat Kallavan .

What is funny is that the power in this arc has been so ridiculous , that someone who can fight Kallavan was nearly foderrize and that now people are confortable speaking about Baam injuring or defeating someone in the top 20 - 30 .