Chapter Tower of God Chapter 530 Spoilers & Discussion

[Cinera]

@Demonspeed, @Lady pompom: please pin.

 

[Jyu viole grace]

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Translated chapter (by alpha scans)---

Tower Of God Chapter 530 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[lazybum]

People before this arc used to believe Baam wasn't even a bottom tier HR and there were those who also believe Baam wouldn't beat Kallavan .

I am one of these people, because of Baam who keep acting scared and preferring to flee than facing White, his own thoughts saying he can't win against White at that point. Then Baam "die" and completely reverse that whole thing, like I was what? Baam went from beating a simple Ranker to beat not an advanced Ranker, not a simple High Ranker, but a "legendary" High Ranker.

 

[Turtle hunter]

I am one of these people, because of Baam who keep acting scared and preferring to flee than facing White, his own thoughts saying he can't win against White at that point. Then Baam "die" and completely reverse that whole thing, like I was what? Baam went from beating a simple Ranker to beat not an advanced Ranker, not a simple High Ranker, but a "legendary" High Ranker.

In a single arc he went from beating a a weak ranker , from foderizing a top 100 ranker , and there may even be something with Rei .

That is some power creep .

 

[lianecel]

In a single arc he went from beating a a weak ranker , from foderizing a top 100 ranker , and there may even be something with Rei .

That is some power creep .

I agree, knewing how SIU write story plot, im sure there will be something baam do againts rei, but beat rei??? Impossible

I bet baam would do some miracle shit power ups, that strong enough to make them ass run away from rei

 

[kkck]

So in the official translation beastkin are called furries... the actual fuck? I hope someone gets fired and banned from translating for life.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

In a single arc he went from beating a a weak ranker , from foderizing a top 100 ranker , and there may even be something with Rei .

That is some power creep .

I don't think it's appropriate to call it power creep. The irregulars have always been depicted to be overpowered. The scales of power has been long established in the series.

 

[Cinera]

I don't think it's appropriate to call it power creep. The irregulars have always been depicted to be overpowered. The scales of power has been long established in the series.

LOL no. Baam's growth over the course of a month in the Hidden Floor blew the minds of both Zahard and Eduan.

Baam's growth over the course of a day in the Nest is of a far greater degree. It's literally unfathomable even for the Great Warriors.

 

[paulbee]

It would not surprise me if everyone or at least some, of the 10GFH had a similar creature inside supplying them some heat/juice.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

LOL no. Baam's growth over the course of a month in the Hidden Floor blew the minds of both Zahard and Eduan.

Baam's growth over the course of a day in the Nest is of a far greater degree. It's literally unfathomable even for the Great Warriors.

Baam has always been this strong since the timeskip. He had been holding back against Charlie and even Kallavan.

He only started going all out when the situation was dire.
- when the ship was about to explode
- when he heard about Prince and Akr

 

[Ignorant]

Funny how Boring this chapter was..
Now bring the FB back!

 

[Big-Bird]

And yet, the Ancient Powers (earth bull and fire elephant - also Rak) are... beasts. Associated with shinheuh (that's how the wiki classifies them FWIW - ancient shinheuh that can control the elements). They are animals/creatures, but they are set apart as they are more ancient, more powerful, and have elemental powers which standard shinheuh do not have these traits. Edit: they are also likely immortal (or at least the 5 main ones) in that they probably reincarnate if not sealed away. More on that later though.

Beast≠creature
these are 2 different terms
=The wikis don't classify them that way they classify them in "Species in Tower" they are in a different category from shinheuh which are in the subcategory "Shinheuh"
The only time this is contradicted is when EVK's elephant is classified as a shinheuh (which seems to be a mistake as they call the elephant a creature when their own sources classify it as an ancient species) for no reason
and there is also this:

The appearances of one ancient to another varies greatly. Each of them have unique design that really distinguish them from ordinary Shinheuh.

that comparison comes out of nowhere. The ancients are not shinneuh and conversely the shinheuh are not ancients. they are two different things.

annnnndddddddd again, that's a function of the host being weak, NOT Acrinak. What is supposed to be the takeaway with this comment?

You keep talking about him when he hasn't done anything impressive against an FH, talking about him is useless

Complete assumption, and you don't know that at all - what is your source? It was pierced through. We don't know if it can be killed at all. Talk about assumptions over fact!

Do you remember why the ancient monster had to be sealed inside the '7 sacred swords'?? Because it could not be killed and that (sealing it) was the only way to keep it from respawning.

Unnamed Ancient Monster

Unnamed Ancient Monster (name unknown) is a man-eating monster who used to terrorize the village where Hong Danhwa and Hong Chunhwa were from. The soul of the monster is now sealed within a series of swords known as "The Seven Sacred Swords."[1] The ancient monster appears as an enormous, stout...

towerofgod.fandom.com

"Long ago, the monster used to terrorize the homeland of Hong Danhwa and Hong Chunwa by feeding on the villagers. However, the monster was later on defeated by seven talented swordsmen of the village at that time and its soul was sealed within their seven swords to prevent it from reincarnating. The swords were then passed into the next generations and are known as "The Seven Sacred Swords.""

At the very least we have precedent that ancient monsters/shinheuh can/do in fact reincarnate if they are not sealed. This very likely extends to other ancient powers as well, such as what we see play out with Acrinak - bested (lethally in appearance) but able to dissolve and come back later.

I'd argue that this is also relevant to what we see happening with the red thryssa as well, as it mimics the idea a bit. After all, admin are basically giant, ancient creatures thought to be immortal in the tower.

uh no a fact, did you forget about EVK's flashabck when she was talking to her elephant

Evankhell. You can't do that. Remember what I asked you for back when I chose you as a host? Our goal is to stay alive and make sure this power survives. The important thing is for us to stay alive, until the time comes. That's why we keep going from host to host to make sure we survive S3-473

.It's not debatable they can die they can be killed

Acrinak is not a shinheuh, the ancient monster is a shinheuh, invalid comparison, example rejected

I mean, that's kind of my point. *we don't know*

that's why we make assumptions and dispute

LOL. Now I know you're not discussing this in good faith. Yes, you can be beaten by being too lenient but you can ALSO be beaten because you aren't strong enough or qualified enough to do enough damage no matter how hard you try. And sometimes if you are close in power it is merely a matter of chance that will sometimes go your way, sometimes not in your favor. You're arguing from the perspective that the only way you can lose is by pulling your punches and either not trying hard enough or trying too hard, but say nothing of what if you're not capable enough in the first place.

"If it beats you that's because you allowed it to" (tell that to someone just starting the game and going after one that's fully-evolved, GTFOOH). That's a bit dishonest (well, more than a bit). I think we're devolving into the arguing just to argue territory at this point, so no thanks.

Have you played any pokemon games lately?
This is serious. I'm going to put pokemon arceus aside for now, and concentrate on the old games.
What you are proposing is normally not possible.
- You can't be beaten for not being strong enough, especially when your pokemon levels are normally higher than the average pokemon in the area (from the start your starter is at level 5 so stronger than the overwhelming majority of the pokemon in the area at the beginning of the game). You can have special areas where there are pokemon that are massively stronger than the average of your team (but even then you can beat them and capture them if you play correctly).
example:

The player comes across a gyrados lvl 96. I'll tell you right now he could have beaten it without losing the lucario if he had the right attacks and he still lost one pokemon out of 6, it's nothing

-If you do your best against the opposing pokemon and still lose you suck (sorry but if a wild pokemon succeeds in 1v6 your team then you just suck there is no other word)

- "tell that to someone just starting the game and going after one that's fully-evolved, GTFOOH" this is not possible in any old game (the only thing that comes "close" to this is sword and shield where you run into the legendaries at the beginning of the game and get beaten up but it's normal, it's scripted)
The only game where this is possible is in Arceus and the player doesn't just stumble upon them by chance, he decides to go there and fight his pokemon on his own (who are clearly above him) so he deserves what happens to him.
So again, it's the indulgence that makes you fail to capture a pokemon: the indulgence of not doing XP your pokemon when you're supposed to. If you're struggling, it's your fault and your fault alone.

We' re not arguing for the sake of arguing, you' re making an inaccurate analogy and I' m explaining why your analogy is wrong.

-> I'm saying we don't know, but I *think* X is true and here's my evidence.
-> You're saying we don't know, but Y *HAS* to be true unless it's proven otherwise.

You're literally substituting one assumption for another, then lecturing me about assumptions. You ASSUME your assumption is the default position, and don't even realize that's what you're doing. (all the while admitting my speculations are possible)

Proof? You haven't provided any of this.

every time i make a statement i base it on a piece of information
I extrapolate from what I've been told or shown.
Yes with that I think my assumptions are valid by default and have priority over hypotheses that are not based on anything(I don't aim at you, for you everything seems to be an attack for you so I repeat I don't aim at you) . as any hypothesis with more proof than mine will have priority over mine (isn't that how it works?)

- yes I said "possible" not "probable" they are 2 different terms. something probable is necessarily possible something possible is not necessarily probable.

Dunno what you mean here (terrible grammar). Are you arguing that sometimes fights aren't down to pure luck and that 2 people can fight 10 times with 10 different results? SIU seems to acknowledge that's possible when the two are close in power (why I referenced his notes on Jinsung v Kallavan - the results are not always clear he says), why can't you say that's a possibility as well?

Are you suggesting I've contradicted something somewhere? You haven't made that point clearly. Just a list of counter-assumptions really, which you admit are assumptions later below.

Dude, that was just a comment on Kallavan vs Jinsung. Chill was not an argument

Well, apparently you aren't familiar with the concept that sometimes a characters words and actions don't always match up, and sometimes egomaniacs might say things to save face. Read on, and I'll give you a good example of what he says not being reliable at all, and rather counter to the truth.



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Okay, and you have proof that he is wrong?
I know sometimes that words and deeds don't add up, but I don't remember that applying to Traum. there has to be a contradiction, the reason why the bug is locked up and not killed is unknown, so there is no contradiction yet with his statement.

And so Rei is too naive to even know when his opponent isn't really dead? The one he wanted so badly that he moved huge armies against?

1: acrinak dissipated like a fog Traum had no way to check.
2: why would he check if he could? If you want to confirm a death, you really want to make sure it's a death. Traum doesn't care about Acrinak he would have no reason to check even if he could.
3: We still don't know who took the initiative to capture Acrinak

Acrinak is such a little trifle it took 2 GF multi-force with several HR's to take it on (and they still would have lost if it didn't get interested in WW), and Zahard personally wants to oversee the operation? Not likely.

Why don't you understand he's using that term to shame and humiliate (and because like Gustang he's a supremacist), as he can't fathom not being in control all the time (in spite of examples of him not being able to control)? Just because he CALLS something a trifle doesn't mean he can/could control it, case in point whatever's sealed in the Nest. And likely Acrinak as well.
It is you who think that the FH say this to humiliate the Towerborn.

1: Is it supposed to be impressive?
2: we don't even know why Zahard wanted to go there (he didn't even bother to come in person)
Yeah he's a common trifle
It is you who think that the FH say this to humiliate the Towerborn.

I think you should reread 528.

Kirin asks Rei if he's back from the Nest, and the state of the creature.

Rei: "it still does not understand my will... I assume it will be like that from NOW on... now that I've ABANDONED it it's fine"
*grips jacket at the thought he couldn't control a trifle*

Rei pointedly thinks nothing will change, and has abandoned the creature into the seal. Literally the opposite of your claim that he's saving it for later. There is no thought of future gain, or future control, and the voice makes it clear here that it hasn't been visited exactly. Rei doesn't appear to have any intent of ever letting it out or interacting with it again.

The best thing it can do for his mental stability and control-freak mentality (he literally grips his jacket at the thought of not winning out) is to stay sealed (dead would be better). It has LOST IT'S VALUE to him, and per his other statement this means he should have killed it by now. If he could. Implying he can't. He says in 529 "death is a gift to those that have lost their value to even be dominated." And yet he readily admits he will not be able to dominate this creature, therefor its value is null - per Rei himself! By his own words he should kill it instead. Oh, wait.... he didn't. Well, there goes that idea. I thought his words were gospel?

you know that the perception of value does not work that way.
just because you can't get the value of something doesn't mean it has no value. this doesn't contradict what i said

Rei makes a point to say in 529: "death is easier to perform than domination" so controlling should be harder, and he cannot control at least one creature (the one in the Nest), probably the Acrinak as well, so he has to resort to 'death' (or what he thinks is death for it apparently). He's literally saying it's harder to control things in front of something he's 'opting' to kill instead of control - implying he cannot control it by default.

Rei also says "there's not a single trifle I cannot control in this tower" (a clear lie) - and yet just one previous chapter ago we see that's not the case (the animal he can't control in the Nest).

What Rei SAYS isn't always factual. He has motivation to save face like any other maniacal monarch, and we see right here he's NOT a reliable source at all.

Okay, so what? I'm talking specifically about his line about the value of things.
the example you gave is proven wrong
the sentence about value is still not proven false.
So it is still valid. Until proven otherwise

At BEST Rei thought he had killed Acrinak and couldn't even perceive that he hadn't succeeded. This doesn't mean he could control it. It doesn't mean he can even kill it. It just means he was fooled into believing he had. That was the best move for something (the Acrinak) that couldn't fight due to a weak host. But we just witnessed what Rei thought of - what SHOULD have been - a lethal blow (according to you Rei certainly thought so), and yet... no death! Curious, isn't it?

-we know that beings like Acrinak can die
-Acrinak was getting intidimated and cut to pieces by the fandore
- he pretended to be dead
If you want to claim that Acrinak was not going to die if he had continued to fight then you are going to have to prove it. and not with words of real proof that implies that he would not have died, when everything points in that direction.

(implying that I'm not)

Is this where I say how I'm rubber and you're glue?

So am I. I've given you chapters, quotes, referenced the wiki (discussion of what shinheuh are and aren't), analogous incidents (the other ancient that could resurrect and had to be sealed). You're just insisting your assumptions HAVE to be right (unless proven otherwise of course lol); that's all. I haven't made the first claim that contradicts the story to my knowledge, just your opinion of what is to come.

Chill man, I didn't imply anything I would have told you directly if you were aiming, you're paranoid.
- Right, her or the proof of that:

https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_Ancient_Monster

I'm waiting, because last I heard it was based on the idea that the Ancients can reincarnate because something else completely different can. What do they have in common? They're old. 'There's nothing probable that can do the same =not a proof

The second time you pull out proof is here:

Rei: "it still does not understand my will... I assume it will be like that from NOW on... now that I've ABANDONED it it's fine"
*grips jacket at the thought he couldn't control a trifle*

I never said he wanted to use it later.
I said that something that has value will always have value even if you can't extract that value, hence the diamond example = yeah, your proof just made me repeat myself

3rd proof:

Rei also says "there's not a single trifle I cannot control in this tower" (a clear lie) - and yet just one previous chapter ago we see that's not the case (the animal he can't control in the Nest).

You just showed that Traum was not an omniscient narrator and that not everything he says can be taken as absolute fact. I never said the opposite, you have to show me that his statement about value is unfounded, but you don't, a counter example that totally refutes his sentence doesn't exist yet. So I have no reason to question his word. again not a proof at all

Jesus man, it's fiction, don't take it like that, take a coockie

 

[Sanity Check]

Unlocked FH Magnificent Creature: Can you send Traumerei to the abyss.

Baam: I am the abyss.


R.I.P. LPB Family Head

 

[Fiodor Pavlovich K]

An Admin controls all the shinsu on a Floor. More than likely, I think it's a Shinheuh, and that the entire Frozen Waterfall is its "bowl".



Something in between this is best for the story IMO. Baam should not defeat Traumerei by himself, but he should put up a semblance of a fight and deal noticeable damage to him.

I think they will ultimately be assisted in making their escape from the Nest (The Warp Drive in the Needle, Maschenny mentioning the Ha, etc.) makes me think that this isn't something Baam will get through with only his strength.

I hope you're right. Also, I feel like the escape is a good opportunity for SIU to surprise the readers. At this point I would love to see someone different after all these years in this arc. Ha, Luslec, Gustang whatever.

 

[Cinera]

Baam has always been this strong since the timeskip. He had been holding back against Charlie and even Kallavan.

He only started going all out when the situation was dire.
- when the ship was about to explode
- when he heard about Prince and Akr

No, that is not true:

• Baam could not burn the souls before White showed him how.
• When the black shinsu happened, Baam mercilessly devoured all the souls to gain power.
• Baam could not materialise the black orb before he lost his shit.

Baam wasn't holding back when White killed him. He just couldn't materialise that power yet. Something changed in Baam when he was killed that allowed him to draw out that latent power.

I hope you're right. Also, I feel like the escape is a good opportunity for SIU to surprise the readers. At this point I would love to see someone different after all these year in this arc. Ha, Luslec, Gustang whatever.

It could also be Eduan. There's probably a reason that SIU drew Eduan for the New Year tweet.

 

[Sky is blue]

Something changed in Baam when he was killed that allowed him to draw out that latent power.

Remember what god of guardian tolds to baam ? "You will only find your true self when you are infront of death"

"It wouldn't hurt to die once to find who you are"

So does that mean Baam didn't go through true evolution this whole time and just find his true self now ?

Doesn't that means he has got far---far--more potential than great warriors ?

Because when khun edhun and jahad do the evolution and find thier true self they were barely high ranker level Meanwhile when baam finds his true self he literally beated a legendary high ranker .....

 

[kkck]

LOL no. Baam's growth over the course of a month in the Hidden Floor blew the minds of both Zahard and Eduan.

Baam's growth over the course of a day in the Nest is of a far greater degree. It's literally unfathomable even for the Great Warriors.

Welp, playing devil's advocate here but we don't know what growth looked like for the family heads post hidden floor. We know that the family heads were also more skilled than even post hidden floor bam... I'd make the point that bam sort of overcame zahard because he could keep growing stronger even during the fight, unlike data zahard who was frozen. And there's a good chance that they just picked up stuff as they climbed the tower as well. Hana at least picked up the power of a fire native one... And we don't know what zahard's red tentacles are about.

Add to that it sounds pretty improbable that bam could strike at traumerei right now even if he collects the power within the suspendium Assuming this ominous looking thing is something bam even sticks with. It's also worth noting that while traumerei couldn't subjugate whatever this thing is, it doesn't mean it actually has the power to stand up to a family head. WW could also resist domination and he was still worthless to one. There's a lot of wiggle room in there of course but this thing ended up sealed within traumerei's warehouse for however many reasons and at least one of them is probably that it lost to at least one family head. And as absurd as bam is he will probably need at least some time to attain any degree of competency with this new power. Also, knowing how SIU handles bam I'd guess that what we can look forward to for bam this arc is for him to vaguely stall traumerei at the most. A baby step which story wise can be played as the adamantium thrones upon which the great warriors sit being shaken for the first time in the tower's history. Of course, SIU could do a line of cocaine and have bam straight up meaningfully injure traumerei but that still sounds a bit too much for me. The family heads aren't just unfathomably powerful, they are unfathomably skilled in all fields of shinsoo... And bam usually suffers from his skill not matching up to his power.

 

[PGT]

Remember what god of guardian tolds to baam ? "You will only find your true self when you are infront of death"

"It wouldn't hurt to die once to find who you are"

So does that mean Baam didn't go through true evolution this whole time and just find his true self now ?

Doesn't that means he has got far---far--more potential than great warriors ?

Because when khun edhun and jahad do the evolution and find thier true self they were barely high ranker level Meanwhile when baam finds his true self he literally beated a legendary high ranker .....

I don't think he found his true self now but his potential and growth is solidly above that of the GW

His growth per year and per floor is probably unmatched. He started as weak as one can be on floor 1 and reached somewhat parity with the GW on floor 43. Now his highest floor reached is below 55 (I'm using loose numbers because I don't remember them exactly and am too lazy to search it) and since Last Station it has been less than three years. He can definitely fight at ~CC level and in the next chapters probably even higher with the extremely powerful creature he's unsealing

No way the GW reached anywhere close that strength on the mid fifties floors, they probably not even climbed that fast, so even that isn't weighing on their side. Had they climbed faster than Baam it could be argued that Baam's superior growth is partially because he's taking more time at each floor to build his strength while the GW rushed more to the top. But that's probably not the case, Urek is known for speedrunning the Tower in 50 years and Baam's speedrun is at that order of magnitude

 

[Cinera]

Add to that it sounds pretty improbable that bam could strike at traumerei right now even if he collects the power within the suspendium Assuming this ominous looking thing is something bam even sticks with.

Not really. Baam has been foreshadowed to fight Traumerei.

Maschenny said that Traumerei is the "real villain" of the story:

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Jinsung warned Baam not to come because Traumerei was waiting for him:

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Maschenny questioned if Baam can meet her expectations:

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And now, the Voice wants to see if Baam is the one who can drag Traumerei down to the Abyss.

Baam is going to surpass Maschenny's expectations in his fight with Traumerei.

Also, knowing how SIU handles bam I'd guess that what we can look forward to for bam this arc is for him to vaguely stall traumerei at the most. A baby step which story wise can be played as the adamantium thrones upon which the great warriors sit being shaken for the first time in the tower's history.

This doesn't work because:

• We have one character (Maschenny) that expects Baam to prove himself in the impending fight with Traumerei.
  • Note also that Maschenny is the mastermind behind this entire affair.
  • She staged all of this to see what Baam was truly capable of.
• We have another character (the Voice) that is curious if Baam can actually defeat Traumerei.

As far as I'm aware, Baam has always, only ever exceeded expectations. He has never fallen short of them. The idea that Maschenny will leave the Nest disappointed in Baam's showings is well, it's not the narrative that SIU has been writing.


Maybe you think that Maschenny isn't all that important, but the only reason all of this happened (kidnapping Jinsung, luring Baam to the Nest, sending Baam to the Frozen Waterfall), all of this was born from Maschenny's curiosity/fascination with Baam.

I just can't imagine SIU making her go through all that to then end up disappointed in him.

 

[kkck]

Not really. Baam has been foreshadowed to fight Traumerei.

Maschenny said that Traumerei is the "real villain" of the story:

Jinsung warned Baam not to come because Traumerei was waiting for him:

Maschenny questioned if Baam can meet her expectations:

And now, the Voice wants to see if Baam is the one who can drag Traumerei down to the Abyss.

Baam is going to surpass Maschenny's expectations in his fight with Traumerei.

This doesn't work because:

• We have one character (Maschenny) that expects Baam to prove himself in the impending fight with Traumerei.
  • Note also that Maschenny is the mastermind behind this entire affair.
  • She staged all of this to see what Baam was truly capable of.
• We have another character (the Voice) that is curious if Baam can actually defeat Traumerei.

As far as I'm aware, Baam has always, only ever exceeded expectations. He has never fallen short of them. The idea that Maschenny will leave the Nest disappointed in Baam's showings is well, it's not the narrative that SIU has been writing.

Maybe you think that Maschenny isn't all that important, but the only reason all of this happened (kidnapping Jinsung, luring Baam to the Nest, sending Baam to the Frozen Waterfall), all of this was born from Maschenny's curiosity/fascination with Baam.

I just can't imagine SIU making her go through all that to then end up disappointed in him.

But... my post didn't say that bam wouldn't fight traumerei. My post was more about how much bam could potentially achieve here. Context wise bam lasting a non zero amount of time against traumerei should pretty much clear whatever expectations the trifles could imagine. Since the trifles can't conceivably achieve more than that.

 

[hunterxyamani]

baam is going to me traumei for sur and we know traumei hates that he cant control people and he is interested in baam probably because he want to have an irregular under his wing... it's impossible for baam to beat him at this level of story so either the thron will teleport him like he did in the data arc when he faced jahad or gustang will come to take on traumei anyway they should have their warfare it will be interesting if gustand somehow find a way to kill traumei and undo the immortality part...

 

[Cinera]

But... my post didn't say that bam wouldn't fight traumerei. My post was more about how much bam could potentially achieve here. Context wise bam lasting a non zero amount of time against traumerei should pretty much clear whatever expectations the trifles could imagine. Since the trifles can't conceivably achieve more than that.

No it wouldn't.

The Voice explicitly wants Traumerei to defeat Baam. Not stall Baam, but to "drag Traumerei down into the abyss".

Maschenny wants Baam to become a vast wave of anger like the Tower has never seen before:

What she expects of him is something unprecedented in the Tower. Something that no one has ever done before.

Since the trifles can't conceivably achieve more than that.

But the trifles aren't measuring Baam by their standards. Maschenny is comparing Baam to her Father (not herself):

So this argument doesn't work at all.

Both Maschenny and the Voice are fully aware that Baam is in fact an Irregular.